Ares I-X Launch Video

BoogerBomb said:
So when the shuttle is gone we have no way of getting heavy objects into orbit like pieces of the ISS? We have relegated ourselves to simple manned missions just for the sake of going up there and launching satellites?
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Ares I has greater payload capacity than the Shuttle. Ares I can put 55,000 lbs in low earth orbit, the Shuttle can lift 53,000 lbs.

The Space Shuttle is not a heavy lift vehicle, and the designers never intended for it to be used to build the space station. It was meant to compliment the Saturn V (which could carry ~250,000 lbs to LEO). The Shuttle would ferry crews and supplies and the Saturn V would have carried up space station components. We went Shuttle only because we thought it would be cheaper, but it ended up being far more expensive.

With the Constellation program NASA is finally getting back to their post-Apollo plans. Ares I will initially be used for ISS resupply. Later on the Ares I and Ares V will be used together for missions to the Moon/Mars/asteroids/etc, orbital construction, whatever.
 
BoogerBomb said:
So when the shuttle is gone we have no way of getting heavy objects into orbit like pieces of the ISS? We have relegated ourselves to simple manned missions just for the sake of going up there and launching satellites?
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I'm not sure when Ares V will be deployed, But It's the Heavy Lift Cargo Rocket version of Ares I(the Pogostick, Sounds apt to Me and the rocket works too, NASA has done well so far, I'm impressed) and It puts the Saturn V to shame as I read the Ares V will lift 188 tons to orbit, While Saturn V could only do 118 Tons. :D
 
If it wasn't for launches like this and the shuttle, the people complaining would not be posting here. It was Nasa that brought computers into being.

If I had the cash, I'd donate most of it to Nasa and thank them for all the tech they made happen. Most of you out there have no clue.

You can start the line: If it weren't for NASA....... :D
 
SamuraiInBlack said:
We've been there and done that. We'll probably start giving a shit when they say they're going to colonize Mars.
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Always capture and hold the high ground. That's the moon. Talk about air superiority (supremacy for the Brits). Plus He3. Maybe water. Uh Oh. Launch costs to Mars and beyond will also be cheaper from the moon.

And, China's gonna need places to put it's people, what with the loss of coastal land from rising sea levels and super-polluted fresh water, air and soil... I jest (kinda). They're emigrating to Africa for that. I'm not kidding.

The USA put men on the moon like the Vikings put men in the New World (although much less successfully). Didn't really matter. The Spanish made a killing by doing it right (from there point of view).
 
Basiq Flac said:
If it wasn't for launches like this and the shuttle, the people complaining would not be posting here. It was Nasa that brought computers into being.

If I had the cash, I'd donate most of it to Nasa and thank them for all the tech they made happen. Most of you out there have no clue.

You can start the line: If it weren't for NASA....... :D
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I'd put most of the money into energy and ant-pollution technologies. Let's face it. We want all of our comforts and toys and... we need clean water, clean air, clean soil and safe foods. I think that those areas would spawn just as much new thinking and technologies as space exploration. Mind, we still need space technologies. GPS is no joke. It makes transportation of goods a whole lot safer and more efficient than ever before. Say nothing of asteroids and developing a survivability plan.

So let's wipe our asses before we put on our pants to travel.
 
eliastech said:
I'd put most of the money into energy and ant-pollution technologies. Let's face it. We want all of our comforts and toys and... we need clean water, clean air, clean soil and safe foods. I think that those areas would spawn just as much new thinking and technologies as space exploration. Mind, we still need space technologies. GPS is no joke. It makes transportation of goods a whole lot safer and more efficient than ever before. Say nothing of asteroids and developing a survivability plan.

So let's wipe our asses before we put on our pants to travel.
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I'll go along with that. We need a lot of things, but if only people had a clue.
 
Congratz to NASA on the successful test

I hope I have the chance to see the day human set foot on Mars in this lifetime
 
JokerCPoC said:
Actually there is a non Nuclear rocket that will get to Mars in 39 days, So a Nuclear Rocket is not needed(I'm not against nuclear power or unproven nuclear rockets, It's an expense that's not needed for Mars, So why waste money on It?), A nuclear powerplant for the landing stage and maybe a smaller one for the orbiting unmanned command ship, sure. But a Rocket? Why?

Plasma Rocket Could Travel to Mars in 39 Days

Google Search - rocket that will get to Mars in 39 days
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Yea I've heard of this, among many other theoretical propulsion methods. Thing is, with the amount of propellant needed to get to mars and back, and using a proven method that dates back decades (controlled nuclear power), a nuclear rocket really is the only realistic way we're getting to mars. When the Saturn V was developed, we didnt just learn how to blast cryogenic fuel out the back door to lift a rocket into to space, it was built upon existing proven concepts. So naturally there is no way a mars rocket is going to be built around a completely untested theoretical engine which will earn the trust of the population and crew to go all the way to mars and back. It has to be something we know will work. We know how to use nuclear energy for a variety of things, we know how to build a proper reactor and all the applications it can be used for. We dont have much experience using it to drive rocket motors but thats not a very big leap from design to construction.

There is no way in hell the Ares V is ever going to get us to Mars, it's just not fast enough. Ares V is meant to lift heavier mass into space, thats it. If you cut down on the mass and trade it for fuel it doesnt matter, its max velocity is still completely worthless for a Mars trip. The whole project is just busy work to keep nasa engineers occupied. NASA is just completely underfunded these days and has no purpose anymore. I cant remember the figures but if you look at NASA's budget during the glory days and account for inflation, they would need something to do the tune for 300-400 billion dollars to be back at full force again.

The chinese will never put a man on mars, probably not the moon either. They simply lack the experience of a proper space program or the motivation/finances to build a proper space program. The only thing useful nasa has left to do right now is continued development of probes and other small scientific vessels to do the work for us. They're highly useful anyway, can reach destinations impossible for man, and probably recover more data than man ever could just walking around on a foreign planet anyway. They arent too terrible expensive to develop and with their current budget we can continue to send all sorts of neat stuff to saturn/jupiters moons, near earth asteroids, and perhaps beyond our solar system since we CAN use theoretical propulsion methods in unmanned craft. Want to give the VASIMIR a real shot to reach a destination? Attach a droid to it, not people.
 
eliastech said:
I'd put most of the money into energy and ant-pollution technologies. Let's face it. We want all of our comforts and toys and... we need clean water, clean air, clean soil and safe foods. I think that those areas would spawn just as much new thinking and technologies as space exploration. Mind, we still need space technologies. GPS is no joke. It makes transportation of goods a whole lot safer and more efficient than ever before. Say nothing of asteroids and developing a survivability plan.

So let's wipe our asses before we put on our pants to travel.
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There are billions of people on Earth. There's enough people to do everything at once.
 
eliastech said:
I'd put most of the money into energy and ant-pollution technologies. Let's face it. We want all of our comforts and toys and... we need clean water, clean air, clean soil and safe foods. I think that those areas would spawn just as much new thinking and technologies as space exploration. Mind, we still need space technologies. GPS is no joke. It makes transportation of goods a whole lot safer and more efficient than ever before. Say nothing of asteroids and developing a survivability plan.

So let's wipe our asses before we put on our pants to travel.
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How does GPS make transportation of goods safer again?
 
hmm wonder how many current jobless families that could have put food on the table for and covered a couple late mortgage payments for
 
Putz said:
hmm wonder how many current jobless families that could have put food on the table for and covered a couple late mortgage payments for
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Why is it the Governments job to pay people mortgages, besides, are you aware of how many people work for NASA and are working on the Ares project? It pays plenty of people bills that, get this WORK FOR IT!!!!!
 
k1pp3r said:
Why is it the Governments job to pay people mortgages, besides, are you aware of how many people work for NASA and are working on the Ares project? It pays plenty of people bills that, get this WORK FOR IT!!!!!
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People couldn't work for It back then either, But then Government(under Herbert Hoover, He is a Republican) did nothing and so Black Friday in 1929 which happened 80 years ago today happened Great Depression of 1929 to 1933 and Black Friday of 1929. So back to NASA, The money spent is as others have said not even 1% of the US Budget.
 
Putz said:
hmm wonder how many current jobless families that could have put food on the table for and covered a couple late mortgage payments for
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You, sir, win the Post-Fail award for 2009.

Who the fuck cares?

Scientific exploration like this is what spurs people to become more educated. When they are more educated, people tend to have the methods to take care of the mortgage and food (or at least the inclination to read the terms of their home loan and capability to understand concepts such as variable or balloon interest rate mortgages).

As other posters have said, the relative cost is so low that if people in this country would give up one serving of ho-hos or deep-fried butter per day, we'd probably already be sending people to the moon to stay.
 
Machupo said:
You, sir, win the Post-Fail award for 2009.

Who the fuck cares?

Scientific exploration like this is what spurs people to become more educated. When they are more educated, people tend to have the methods to take care of the mortgage and food (or at least the inclination to read the terms of their home loan and capability to understand concepts such as variable or balloon interest rate mortgages).

As other posters have said, the relative cost is so low that if people in this country would give up one serving of ho-hos or deep-fried butter per day, we'd probably already be sending people to the moon to stay.
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It's funny how some people fail to notice that the scientific advancements are always in countries where people are able to work and feed themselves.

Do you see anyone doing space exploration in Africa? I wonder why.

If you can't feed yourself, there's no hope for you. Cold, but true. Maybe if they'd stop fucking killing each other and pick up a shovel and hoe, they wouldn't be begging for handouts all the time.
 
k1pp3r said:
Lol,

Anyway, the Ares 1-X was a great launch and a towering beast, i can't wait for Ares V that will just be icing on the cake
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Ares V, Yep It will be like the Frankenstein Monster taking off, It will make the Big NOISE come back, And You thought the Saturn V was loud(we'll see I guess If It measures up to that ol beast) and Its first launch date? June 2018 according to the 1st link below.

NASA sets out Ares V cargo launch vehicle development plan

Google Search - Ares V first test launch date

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JokerCPoC said:
Ares V, Yep It will be like the Frankenstein Monster taking off, It will make the Big NOISE come back, And You thought the Saturn V was loud(we'll see I guess If It measures up to that ol beast) and Its first launch date? June 2018 according to the 1st link below.
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Oh yeah, its gonna be a monster. It is going to be tall also, Ares 1 with the dummy second stage was already 327 feet tall. With Ares V your talking about two 5 1/2 segment solid rocket boosters with a single engine liquid core rocket with is basicly an upgrade of the Deta rocket engine. Its going to be HUGE, if DC doesn't axe it
 
SamuraiInBlack said:
We've been there and done that. We'll probably start giving a shit when they say they're going to colonize Mars.
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It's about tritium, nuclear fusion is getting closer and the moon's resources can provide fuel..
On mars, I've never really understood what the fuss is all about ( the thing is to small to hold a proper atmosphere http://www.glogster.com/media/2/2/64/57/2645759.jpg )
Building a floating colony on Venus looks much more interesting...
 
"The pursuit of sciences and knowledge will be our country's salvation"

Then you might want to have a word with the morons merrily sending it all offshore, if it isn't already too late.
 
eliastech said:
I'd put most of the money into energy and ant-pollution technologies. Let's face it. We want all of our comforts and toys and... we need clean water, clean air, clean soil and safe foods. I think that those areas would spawn just as much new thinking and technologies as space exploration. Mind, we still need space technologies. GPS is no joke. It makes transportation of goods a whole lot safer and more efficient than ever before. Say nothing of asteroids and developing a survivability plan.

So let's wipe our asses before we put on our pants to travel.
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NASA pretty much invented the water filter technology that companies put into their own water filters.

NASA's somewhat new invention LTOC is working towards cleaning up the air from automobiles and smokestacks.
"Scientists at NASA's Langley Research Center in Virginia are gearing a variation of this technology towards reducing the formaldehyde and carbon monoxide in smokestack emissions by a whopping 85 to 95 percent. "

The foods one is easy considering how many types of dry packadged foods theyve invented.

Its not just about space with NASA they have over 6000 patents and many of them are used in our everyday life.
 
Damn right it's worth the money. It brings tears to my eyes to think about all we could have done with the hundreds of billions we've blown on Iraq.

For the record, I'm a USAF Major. No bleeding heart - but I have a brain. Just so sad what might have been. Future generations will wonder what was wrong with us.
 
k1pp3r said:
Oh yeah, its gonna be a monster. It is going to be tall also, Ares 1 with the dummy second stage was already 327 feet tall. With Ares V your talking about two 5 1/2 segment solid rocket boosters with a single engine liquid core rocket with is basicly an upgrade of the Deta rocket engine. Its going to be HUGE, if DC doesn't axe it
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So that's the equivelent to a estese model Z motor right?
 
defuseme2k said:
I suppose not being a rocket expert makes me not qualified to pass an opinion, but I will anyway or else what the fuck is a forum for ;).

Why ARES when DIRECT (wikipedia is your friend if you don't know what this is) makes more sense ?? Maybe I'm just uninformed, but comparing the two it seems readily apparent and obvious except one gives NASA a TON of money and obviously a lot of others jobs on the tax payer dime.
Call me crazy I guess.
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Please explain how Direct will work on the existing Mobile Launch Platform (making it "Direct"). The truth about "Direct" is that it is not as "Direct" as the plan let's on, just because it can be photoshop'ed doesn't' mean it can be physically done. Yes Ares V would have the same inline configuration on a Launcher, but this has been identified as a new launcher up front. "Direct" has never done this, as they haven't done with the rest of the Infrastructure. "Direct" is anything but direct, it still requires a lot of real flight design, infrastructure design/changes. If the goal is to lift a capsule to the ISS or to hook up with a heavy vehicle "Direct" is overkill.
 
Benny said:
Building a floating colony on Venus looks much more interesting...
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Floating... Venus? Floating where? In orbit?

Mars is easy, sure the air is a little thin, but Venus has clouds of sulfuric acid and surface temperatures hot enough to melt lead.
 
NASA should of just kept the Saturn V and upgraded its avionics to today's specs. The Saturn V with its F-1 engines is the best heavy lift rockets in terms of payload and reliability that the USA ever developed.
 
Machupo said:
You, sir, win the Post-Fail award for 2009.

Who the fuck cares?

Scientific exploration like this is what spurs people to become more educated. When they are more educated, people tend to have the methods to take care of the mortgage and food (or at least the inclination to read the terms of their home loan and capability to understand concepts such as variable or balloon interest rate mortgages).

As other posters have said, the relative cost is so low that if people in this country would give up one serving of ho-hos or deep-fried butter per day, we'd probably already be sending people to the moon to stay.
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im all for the USA pissing away money on cool stuff when they have money to piss away, but between the middle east invasion and this stuff during a recession, its not a good time to be gloating about that kinda of money down the drain right now, better spent else where IMO

but since im not in the USA im sure my opinion varies greatly from most of yours, and for now that's still allowed. :p
 
Putz said:
im all for the USA pissing away money on cool stuff when they have money to piss away, but between the middle east invasion and this stuff during a recession, its not a good time to be gloating about that kinda of money down the drain right now, better spent else where IMO

but since im not in the USA im sure my opinion varies greatly from most of yours, and for now that's still allowed. :p
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You worry about your country and let us worry about ours.







or else we'll invade your country next. :D
 
Putz said:
im all for the USA pissing away money on cool stuff when they have money to piss away, but between the middle east invasion and this stuff during a recession, its not a good time to be gloating about that kinda of money down the drain right now, better spent else where IMO

but since im not in the USA im sure my opinion varies greatly from most of yours, and for now that's still allowed. :p
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GM was a great example of pissing money down the drain, 35 Billion in federal aid to stay afloat. In the end the ended up in bandruptcy, selling hummer for 60 million, closing pontiac, closing saturn and loosing god knows how many jobs in the process. That my friend, is called pissing away money.

NASA has developed so many technologies that are used in every day life, we would be nowhere without the minds that NASA has employed
 
k1pp3r said:
GM was a great example of pissing money down the drain, 35 Billion in federal aid to stay afloat. In the end the ended up in bandruptcy, selling hummer for 60 million, closing pontiac, closing saturn and loosing god knows how many jobs in the process. That my friend, is called pissing away money.
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You have a very simple view of economics and opportunity cost.
 
vengence said:
You have a very simple view of economics and opportunity cost.
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I just don't want to dive into it, while i think some rescue funds were needed, they could have been spend wiser. You can't argue with that
 
kilroy67 said:
NASA should of just kept the Saturn V and upgraded its avionics to today's specs. The Saturn V with its F-1 engines is the best heavy lift rockets in terms of payload and reliability that the USA ever developed.
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At only 118 Metric Tons? It's 60's technology, In any case Ares V will lift 188 Metric Tons to orbit or 71 Metric Tons more than Saturn V could ever do, Saturn was nice and yep, LOUD, But Ares V will put the old Saturn V in the grave for good, Besides no one around now can Make parts for the Saturn V as You'd also have to make the tools for making the parts, Sure We have blueprints, But no friggin tools anymore, There all gone. Oh and by comparison the Shuttle could only lift 24.4 Metric Tons to orbit at one time.

At best the Saturn V is now 2nd best, Ares V is King here for the moment. :p
 
Until an ARES V rocket is actually built and launched the Saturn V is still king.
 
kilroy67 said:
NASA should of just kept the Saturn V and upgraded its avionics to today's specs. The Saturn V with its F-1 engines is the best heavy lift rockets in terms of payload and reliability that the USA ever developed.
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JokerCPoC said:
No one around now can Make parts for the Saturn V as You'd also have to make the tools for making the parts, Sure We have blueprints, But no friggin tools anymore, There all gone. Oh and by comparison the Shuttle could only lift 24.4 Metric Tons to orbit at one time.
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That's the point. 30 Saturn V missions could have lifted the equivalent payload capacity of the entire Shuttle Program for less than half the cost while also maintaining our ability to go to the moon. Killing off the Saturn V was a huge mistake.

Saturn V is now 2nd best, Ares V is King here for the moment. :p
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Assuming it doesn't get canceled, of course. :(
 
Killing off the Saturn V was a huge mistake.
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Which led to a unrealistic launch timetable for the shuttles, which in turn was a contributing factor in the Challenger disaster. Since the demise of the Saturn V, we have not had any heavy lift rocket that comes close to the Saturn V payload capacity. Hoepfully the ARES V will rectify this, but like it was said, until they actually build it and launch it successfully, the Saturn V remains king of the rockets.
 
It fucked up at the end...

The payload at seperation turned sideways. If it had been in the atmosphere at the time it would have made a big POOF sound ;-)

Wow, we established they can use a jumbo one of the shuttles solid boosters, put something on it, and fly.... and to think it's only been 60 years of rocketry to get us to this point... cough.
 
xX_Jack_Carver_Xx said:
It fucked up at the end...

The payload at seperation turned sideways. If it had been in the atmosphere at the time it would have made a big POOF sound ;-)

Wow, we established they can use a jumbo one of the shuttles solid boosters, put something on it, and fly.... and to think it's only been 60 years of rocketry to get us to this point... cough.
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It was never meant to go anywhere as It was a test of the 1st stage of the Ares I-X, The 2nd Stage was only meant to separate from the 1st stage(As the 2nd stage of the current Ares I-X had no working rocket, which would be an improved J-2 design from the Saturn series of rockets), As the 2nd stage and up is a mockup meant as a proper load on the 1st stage of the rocket, afterwards everything was recovered and towed back to NASA.
 
xX_Jack_Carver_Xx said:
It fucked up at the end...

The payload at seperation turned sideways. If it had been in the atmosphere at the time it would have made a big POOF sound ;-)

Wow, we established they can use a jumbo one of the shuttles solid boosters, put something on it, and fly.... and to think it's only been 60 years of rocketry to get us to this point... cough.
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JokerCPoC said:
It was never meant to go anywhere as It was a test of the 1st stage of the Ares I-X, The 2nd Stage was only meant to separate from the 1st stage(As the 2nd stage of the current Ares I-X had no working rocket, which would be an improved J-2 design from the Saturn series of rockets), As the 2nd stage and up is a mockup meant as a proper load on the 1st stage of the rocket, afterwards everything was recovered and towed back to NASA.
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^What JokerCPoC said.

The second stage did tumble a little earlier than expected, but they knew it was going to tumble. Nothing was "fucked up." On the actual vehicle the second stage will fire and carry the upper sections of the rocket away from the first stage. The real issue they need to look at is the parachute deployment for the SRB. One of the chutes didn't deploy properly and the SRB was dented when it hit the water. It wouldn't effect the astronauts or the mission, but NASA wants the capability to recycle the SRBs.

They had the same issues with the Shuttle SRB parachutes early on, so I'm sure they'll work it out. This is what flight testing is for.
 
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