Apple Sees Win 7 as an Opportunity to Sell Macs

I was not planning on jumping in, but this discussion has pulled at me..

Phide.. I cannot believe anyone would refer to Windows 7 as a Service Pack, and in the same sentence state that perhaps Snow leopard should be a new OS.. Windows 7 represents a major improvement, with new readily visible and use-able features, not to mention an new and improved gui. I doubt you have played with it much, having made a comment like that. It is very much a new OS, though it is built on the core of it's predecessor to alleviate the need for a new round of drivers. Having installed it on around 10 machines now, this last has been a big perc, as simply running windows update, has in all cases, provided me with needed drivers to get my system running.. Not always the latest and greatest, but mostly always..

I have been using 7 for some months on all 3 of my home machines, and I absolutely love it. The new libraries concept rocks once you leverage it as do the new navigation options, the "troubleshoot recorder", the powershell.. etc etc.. Homegroups were slow to take for me, but now I am even digging this concept, after learning it's merits. The fact that they finally got rid of the dispatcher lock and other core level improvements means a snappier real world experience that is very tangible to the end user.. I run anywhere from 8-15 apps simultaneously during the day, with many more open windows, never shut my machine down, and every morning when I come to my PC, it snaps to life without delay, and this is on modest hardware....

My 3 PC's are like children, in that I have the elder child, who gets the new flashy hardware as it gets released, while the other two get the hand me downs and in this way, everyone stays warm in the winter.. Again, this a non-existent concept in the apple world where there is no build your own option.. as others have stated.

I have one OS, that does it all, does it very well, and I see no need to spend the extra money that a Mac requires.. I have been running my core machine for 3 months with just windows defender, and periodic online scans etc. reveal that I remain un-affected..

This release could hurt Apple, once the OS goes main stream. Time will tell..
 
samsonJS said:
My work involves unix and the only way to make Windows usable for my work is to install Linux in VirtualBox. On the road I don't want to worry about Linux on a notebook (sleep, battery life, wireless, etc.) so I go for a MacBook which gets me 95% of the way there. Anything that needs the last 5% can also be done in a VM (Linux specific development like inotify or d-bus). Since the release of OS X 10.3 or 10.4 Macs have been some of the nicest unix machines you can find, and the best unix notebooks (imo).

It obviously all depends on your use case. If you need zsh and gcc then Windows isn't useful, and if you want to play Assassin's Creed or your work involves SQL Server or Visual Studio then nothing except Windows is useful, ditto for iPhone devel on the Mac.
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EXACTLY. These things are just tools, and whatever people may want to believe, all of these tools are specifically useful to someone or another.

To be tied down to one single platform is actually limiting for some of us.
 
Interesting, I have been really liking the new taskbar. I wish similar programs were not grouped together by default, but it is not too hard to switch it to the fan out option. There are some things I wish were better, but over-all, it is a big improvement. I noticed this the most when I installed 7 on a brother in laws older laptop with 768mb of ram. It ran 7 better than it ran xp prior. He has been thrilled by the difference..
 
I like it too, window and desktop management in Windows 7 is much better than it used to be.
 
[RIP]Zeus;1034768689 said:
I have to agree on this.

If you look at the macs now.. so you see any of them coming out with AMD Phenom's? Or nVidia GTX series, or ATI 4800 series? or even the new 5000 Series?

Nope.. And intill i can pick and choice like Baer said.. Apple is not going to be a option on my plate.

Now i have used MacOSX and i think it's horrible. The interface IMHO is sloppy at best. but thats my opinion. Also the one button thing.. drives me up a wall. Now i haven't played with the new version out. and i am sure it addresses some of the issues i have with OSX. But i'm not spending 1000+ on a machine that had almost no upgrade path, and limits my choice of hardware.
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I agree completely. I've never understood what people LOVE about the OSX interface... I think it looks like shit. A child could design a better UI. Same with the mouse buttons. I have a 5-button mouse, and I use 6 of them! And don't even get me started about those stupid new keyboards...

heatlesssun said:
QFT & +1

Windows 7 is a triumphant turn around for Windows. It is the highest quality Windows release ever.
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Another QFT and +1, from a Linux fanboy!

phide said:
Joe Average is probably playing games like WoW, The Sims and other mainstream games, and those are an option on OS X as well. If you're talking about enthusiasts, we of course all know that's an entirely different matter.
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Funny thing is, Linux also runs these games (with Wine, but they still run great; I'm pretty sure WoW and Sims are platinum), costs nothing, can look and feel HOWEVER you want it too, and runs on any hardware. Why would anyone choose a Mac over the other two choices?
 
musiclove said:
Phide.. I cannot believe anyone would refer to Windows 7 as a Service Pack, and in the same sentence state that perhaps Snow leopard should be a new OS.
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I didn't call 7 a service pack. I said you couldn't call Snow Leopard a service pack yet call 7 a new OS version given a reasonable definition of what constitutes a 'service pack'. I call Windows 7 whatever Microsoft calls Windows 7, because they're the ones who made it. Ditto for Snow Leopard and Apple. They're both new OS versions. Neither are service packs.

Just so you know where I'm at on this, I've upgraded to Windows 7. I've not yet upgraded to Snow Leopard, and don't really intend to.
 
In general business, there are many areas where Macs are not compatable. Yes, in the film industry and in the music industry there are areas where there are grandfathered peices of old software, things that were best available on Macs in the early days, software that many have used forever and are not therefore willing to change. However, getting into some VPN's with a Mac, avoiding the winmail.dat issues that users (average employees, average computer users) seem to have when communicating with a Mac to a PC and vice versa and a number of other issues make the P C the tool of choice for MOST businesses. Add to that the cost of the individual workstations which for many is multiplied by hundreds of units.
Look, I am not saying that Macs are bad or that they can not do good work, they can. I am saying that they can not do everything well and they are not the most powerful or versitle of beasts and that they do not provide the bang for the buck. They are not easily upgradeable and they attract nasty comment just because of their annoying advertisements. Yes many college students like Macs , Apple did a good job giving them to schools, but often when they have to start a career they have to learn to use a P C. My facebook comment is because many students spend more time there than most business applications.
It is a P C world weather you like it or not. Yes, with Vista and with a good economy Macs did gain some share, they also make well designed units, mostly notebooks and phones, cool looking. With the present economy, with costs being forefront, with the new OS WIn 7, which is an excellent OS no matter what Mac users or apple ads want to say and with DX-11 potential for graphics and games, Apple will find it difficult to continue to gain share, and to be considered a real global equal, they will have to gain at least 25% share, way up from their 3% to 4% global share they enjoy today to do that and in order for that to happen they will have to drop their price, they will have to offer newer hardware more often, they will have to allow their OS to be used on other hardware platforms, they will have to allow for easier upgrades. If they do that however, they will no longer be Apple.
(nuff said from me on this topic)
 
djBon2112 said:
Same with the mouse buttons. I have a 5-button mouse, and I use 6 of them!
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I used a 5 button mouse with my first Mac in 2002 on OS 10.2, no additional drivers were needed, they all worked right out of the box. I use a six button mouse right now and again, its all good (got them linked to Expose, Spaces, its nice).

And don't even get me started about those stupid new keyboards...
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Different strokes. I use them on both my Mac and my PC. Low profile scissor style keys aren't for everyone but I think they're great. Its too bd that the few other keyboard that use the same style keys aren't as good (ie - Razer Lycosa). I type faster on them and they're perfect for gaming. Low button travel and high sensitivity are big pluses.
 
Bear - I won't argue on the marketshare thing, but I also think it is irrelevant. Apple are extremely successful in their niche and they aren't interested in expanding into the low end, nor are they interested in supporting massive businesses in the same way that Dell and HP are. I would also never argue that Macs should be deployed in massive environments, they are way too expensive when a $300 econobox with a cheap TN panel LCD and top to bottom Microsoft enterprise integration would be a better choice.

All that matters to me is that Apple continue to sell great products that fill the niche that I fill in. Well, it also matters that OS X has provided serious competition in improving the Windows UI. A lot of the enhancements I've seen in Vista and Windows 7 were things I'd been using in OS X since 2004 and 2005. I'm thrilled that this back and forth competition is there to keep things improving on both ends because I use both operating systems. If there was competitive stagnation (whether it is an all Microsoft or an all Apple world or an all Amiga world or whatever) then we'd all eventually be screwed as consumers. Look at what happens when nvidia or AMD or ATI or Intel have no competition from the other side, its a mess from a price and performance standpoint until the other side catches up.
 
Competition is good, be it Apple-Dell-HP-Asus_Acer_lenovo Etc or NVIDIA-ATI or Intel-AMD. on that we can agree.
 
phide said:
I didn't call 7 a service pack. I said you couldn't call Snow Leopard a service pack yet call 7 a new OS version given a reasonable definition of what constitutes a 'service pack'. I call Windows 7 whatever Microsoft calls Windows 7, because they're the ones who made it. Ditto for Snow Leopard and Apple. They're both new OS versions. Neither are service packs.

Just so you know where I'm at on this, I've upgraded to Windows 7. I've not yet upgraded to Snow Leopard, and don't really intend to.
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Got it.. Still, I think Win7 introduces more that would make it a new OS, even on the surface, than does Snow leopard. Now, if SL came out and offered a new look, new file organizational options, completely new networking options, new built in apps, as well as new under the hood improvements, then I would say you are perhaps right.. SL should really be considered a new OS..
 
http://www.gurufocus.com/news.php?id=71513

Apple Inc. has a market cap of $170.63 billion; its shares were traded at around $190.47 with a P/E ratio of 33.2 and P/S ratio of 5.2. Apple Inc. had an annual average earning growth of 90.5% over the past 5 years.

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Gross margin was 36.3 percent, up from 34.8 percent in the year-ago quarter. International sales accounted for 44 percent of the quarter’s revenue.
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Compare that to, say, IBM:

International Business Machines Corp has a market cap of $165.08 billion;
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For comparison here's MS:

http://finance.yahoo.com/q/ks?s=msft

$236 billion. Apple is between Google and MS. Apple is doing just fine.

It seems that what's good for MS is good for Apple: http://finance.yahoo.com/q/bc?t=1y&s=MSFT&l=on&z=m&q=l&c=aapl
 
musiclove said:
Got it.. Still, I think Win7 introduces more that would make it a new OS, even on the surface, than does Snow leopard. Now, if SL came out and offered a new look, new file organizational options, completely new networking options, new built in apps, as well as new under the hood improvements, then I would say you are perhaps right.. SL should really be considered a new OS..
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All of the above were already excellent though. I'd honestly be disappointed if they changed too much, especially in the window/workspace management areas. Maybe an improved Finder, a lot of the old school Mac users still seem to complain about that a lot. I'm relatively new so I'm fine with it, never used OS 9 so I don't see what the problem is.

Under the hood were the main improvements in SL, things like Grand Central to help simplify coding for multithreading in OS X and OpenCL to automate using the GPU to power through standard applications.
 
Snow Leopard was a chance to do some spring cleaning. They changed as little as possible because they wanted it to be like the transition from PPC -> Intel, where they kept the look almost the same to make it seem like less of a radical change.

They cleaned up the UI a little such as keyboard shortcuts and did add a few small things (e.g. improved Services menu). The main additions Serpico listed: GCD, OpenCL. The rest are improvements and optimizations. Wlan connections initiate faster. Wake from sleep is faster, wlan connects in a second or two. Startup and shutdown times have decreased.

It was mostly all housekeeping. Since 10.0 Apple has released significant improvements with every point release. They have finally gotten a complete enough system to just take a break. Since 10.4 OS X has been very well rounded.
 
FLECOM said:
yes, it runs good on an older macmini i installed it on, faster than 10.5... and at $39 at the apple store its pretty cheap too



my mac pro was $2500... and its a quad core xeon workstation... show me a quad core xeon workstation from dell that costs $600...

if you want to make a good comparison to your $600 dell, it would be the $600 mac mini, and the mini is sexier and nicer on a desk than a dell by a lot

and just for reference my mac pro has XP on it lol
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the dual xeon server i bought for work ran me about the same as your mac pro. to be fair it didn't have an os, but i think hardware raid sas makes up for it.
 
Harley-Davidson also sells trendy motorcycles to a niche market and look what happened to them this year...84% drop in net income

People are getting tired of having major problems like broken software support in Snow Leopard, signing onto a guest account and having all your data wiped, and iPhone OS updates killing phones... and then seeing Mac vs. PC commercials on TV claiming that Apple products don't have the issues that Microsoft products have.

Apple is a ticking timebomb... not in a good way.
 
Serpico said:
I used a 5 button mouse with my first Mac in 2002 on OS 10.2, no additional drivers were needed, they all worked right out of the box. I use a six button mouse right now and again, its all good (got them linked to Expose, Spaces, its nice).
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I'm talking mostly laptops here, but adding on a different mouse is different that having the one built in with multiple buttons. When I said 5/6, I was referring to my trackpad.

Serpico said:
Different strokes. I use them on both my Mac and my PC. Low profile scissor style keys aren't for everyone but I think they're great. Its too bd that the few other keyboard that use the same style keys aren't as good (ie - Razer Lycosa). I type faster on them and they're perfect for gaming. Low button travel and high sensitivity are big pluses.
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It's not the height, it's the space between the keys. I HATE that, because my typing style involves me constantly sliding between the keys, and that keyboard completely cripples that (for comparison, I can do 95+ WPM on my laptop, but only ~50 on a friends MPB with that keyboard).
 
People please enough of Microsoft love. I can't bear it. I hate both companies with the same passion going back to the load of crap advertised about WfW 3.11 and W95, which you could rely on only in it not working properly, and Apple buying companies with support for both platforms and then locking them only onto Macintosh OS and exploiting small labels and musicians with their i$unes.

They are both the same crap and we just have to put up with them. Love or hate has a place in human to human relationship. Not in human to corporation. Please.
 
Baer said:
They are not easily upgradeable and they attract nasty comment just because of their annoying advertisements.
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The mini and iMac aren't easily upgradable (the mini especially), but the Mac Pro is actually quite a pleasure to work with. Upgrading any component in the Mac Pro is as easy as upgrading any component in a PC, and sometimes even more so.

In a business environment populated with Mac Pros, IT guys really don't have much to complain about.

Serpico said:
Different strokes. I use them on both my Mac and my PC.
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Ditto. Probably the best keyboard I've ever used. The previous Apple Pro Keyboard wasn't much to go nuts over, but the new iteration is really nice.

musiclove said:
Now, if SL came out and offered a new look, new file organizational options, completely new networking options, new built in apps, as well as new under the hood improvements, then I would say you are perhaps right.. SL should really be considered a new OS..
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Snow Leopard did add some file organizational options by expanding the functionality of Stacks. Some built-in apps have transitioned to 64-bit, and QuickTime's been overhauled from being rather shitty to rather decent. SL also received its fair share of under-the-hood improvements as well as purging of a lot of unnecessary junk.

I'm not saying Snow Leopard's improvements and additions are as expansive as 7's, but some of them are certainly nothing to sneeze at. The only reason I haven't upgraded is because I'm content with Leopard on my mini, and, hey, $30 is $30. That's a month's worth of whey protein or a tank of gas there. I've upgraded to 7 on my PC only because I deemed it 'necessary' for my usage.
 
djBon2112 said:
I'm talking mostly laptops here, but adding on a different mouse is different that having the one built in with multiple buttons. When I said 5/6, I was referring to my trackpad.
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On this I completely disagree, I'll take a trackpad that takes multitouch input and gesture recognition over multiple buttons, it is much faster. Even something as simple as a right click on the Macbook Pro trackpad is faster (two finger click) than reaching your thumb over to the second button on a normal trackpad. The thing is that a lot of these functions work in Windows via Boot Camp. Even if I was only using Windows on a notebook it would likely be on a Macbook Pro, otherwise it would be a mid or high end Lenovo but I would miss that awesome trackpad in a big way.
 
Serpico said:
On this I completely disagree, I'll take a trackpad that takes multitouch input and gesture recognition over multiple buttons, it is much faster. Even something as simple as a right click on the Macbook Pro trackpad is faster (two finger click) than reaching your thumb over to the second button on a normal trackpad. The thing is that a lot of these functions work in Windows via Boot Camp. Even if I was only using Windows on a notebook it would likely be on a Macbook Pro, otherwise it would be a mid or high end Lenovo but I would miss that awesome trackpad in a big way.
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I do have to agree with you, multitouch kicks massive ass.
 
Draiko said:
Harley-Davidson also sells trendy motorcycles to a niche market and look what happened to them this year...84% drop in net income

People are getting tired of having major problems like broken software support in Snow Leopard, signing onto a guest account and having all your data wiped, and iPhone OS updates killing phones... and then seeing Mac vs. PC commercials on TV claiming that Apple products don't have the issues that Microsoft products have.

Apple is a ticking timebomb... not in a good way.
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People have been saying the exact same thing for a decade (hell, *I* was parroting that argument until I actually started paying attention), and in that same time they've completely missed the point as whatever was "dead" in growth (ie - the iPod) was replaced by a new major stream of revenue growth (the Mac) and then replaced again with another major stream of revenue growth (the iPhone).

I wonder when when what you are saying will actually come true.
 
BTW, we are WAY the hell off topic. I think we can all agree that most marketing stinks.

Repost from earlier:

Apple's ads are still obnoxious, shocking.

Its too bad too, their Mac commercials are the worst things they produce. Of course, same goes for Microsoft's horrible marketing. :)

Why can't they all market more like HP? They have the best ads in the tech industry, absolutely beautiful and memorable. Of course, I'm not a fan of HP's products at all while I love Apple's stuff and Windows 7, goes to show you that there is zero correlation between the quality of advertising and the product. :D
 
Okay back on topic... I'll say it once more, this time with a pretty graph so it's clear: what's good for MS is good for Apple (is good for the industry).

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musiclove said:
Got it.. Still, I think Win7 introduces more that would make it a new OS, even on the surface, than does Snow leopard. Now, if SL came out and offered a new look, new file organizational options, completely new networking options, new built in apps, as well as new under the hood improvements, then I would say you are perhaps right.. SL should really be considered a new OS..
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SL does off more...it also deletes your data from your main profile for free and starts you with a fresh user account automatically. Win 7 can't compete with that.
 
TechLarry said:
To a certain extent, he's not wrong. At least not totally.

However, I do believe Windows 7 brings MS into fighting position finally. It has run perfectly for me since the early releases, and if you get a BSOD, you need to look at drivers or hardware. Not Win7.

It's not perfect though. The new taskbar is a glorified joke. It's completely irrational and harms productivity.

Luckily it's easy to get the old one back :)

And I have to say, Win7 finally fixed the networking issues that Vista had. I can now push 75-100MB/Sec over my LAN. Vista RTM was pathetic. 15-20 was all it could do. Hacked Vista would move that up to 25 or so. The service packs helped a bit more.

But now in Win7 it's finally fixed right.
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Finally in a fighting position? 90% market share. Windows has been bending over Apple and butt raping it.

And to be honest, I've never really had any issues with XP or Vista. A bit of tweaking here and there, but users are the ones that create their own issues by being idiots....in most cases.
 
Intel_Hydralisk said:
I've heard too many horror stories of flimsy 'thin' laptops just breaking physically.

It's one of those things that you may think is cool from afar but reality hits you when you own one and you immediately regret it.
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That sucks. I guess a Macbook pro then.

I will give it to Apple in the design area. I feel most of their hardware from laptops and desktops to the ipod and iphone are increadible designed in a simple and sexy way. I think they also feel fairly well built. I have yet to come across a cell phone that has a touch screen that is as accurate, and that just feels all around well built as the iphone. I realize people have had problems with them, but when I pick up a touch or a G1, they just feel cheap.

Really, the problem with Apple, for me, is the attitude that most of their users display. I think we all know what I'm talking about. Arrogant A holes who think they are NEVER wrong. They almost never will even comprimise and say that Mac does some things right and Windows does some things right. Any time you mention an MS product, they bring up the Apple counterpart and try to say how it's way better.

I was arguing with this one....well....dumb shit about this very topic, and when I mentioned how Windows Server certainly has it's issues, I do like it.....he sat there and said nothing about it was good, and how Apples server software was better in every way. I had to walk away from him.
 
Ahhh, totally makes sense. Someone will be pissed that they have to spend $500 to buy a new Windows 7 PC, so they will buy a $2500 Apple computer instead. I get it. Really.
 
If you think about it, Apple has made that exact same claim now for 20 years with the exact same results.​
Actually Steve, if you guys ever paid attention to good Apple news, instead of just the bad, you and your readers would know that Apple is now the #4 seller of PCs in the US, an 11% increase from a year ago.

This was announced yesterday. Feel free to post it on the front page.

Here's a money quote:

"Their sales just seem to defy all logic," O'Donnell repeated. "There are obviously a certain number of people buying Macs even in the face of a recession."


Here's some more:

Apple-1. Recession-0

Apple Claims 91% of $1,000+ PC Market Revenue

I've repeatedly sent you good news Apple stories, but they never seem to make it to the news page. Hmm. :confused:

There is a difference between news and opinion, FYI.

And I'm sure glad I didn't listen to the naysayers like yourself 20 years ago when I bought Apple stock for $16 a share (which has since split twice, so it's really $4). That's a 47X return.
 
damn, i remember hating apple back in 1997 when they started their renaissance....

12 years later, they're so good, my next laptop will be a macbook :)

my how the times change.....
 
And the BIOS settings, and the ability to OC. And at a comparable price for similar hardware.
 
radiohedwig said:
This article speaks the truth. I sometimes get headaches with my new core I7 windows 7 PC when I play all of the PC games that I own and stare at the monitor for hours. Apple is right, I wouldn't have this problem on a mac.
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lmao. I mean really, how many games actually work on macs. Unless I want to stop gaming, there is not valid reason for me to get a macbook. And not going to pay $2500 just cause it "looks nice". I would rather have an ugly desktop/laptop that performs well and I can get work done on, that a pretty case that has nothing outstanding on the inside. ;)

Whenever I decide to only use my computer to check twitter and facebook, then maybe apple will be a contender for me. :p
 
Baer said:
And at a comparable price for similar hardware.
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They offer a very competitive price for similar hardware at the mid and high end compared to Dell and HP, the problem is that they don't offer desktops with PCI-E expansion with a CPU less than a Xeon. It sucks, but there it is. However, if you need an all-in-one, a Xeon workstation, or an ultraslim, you'll find that they are priced similarly to or even cheaper than what other manufacturers have to offer. The iMac in particular is a much better value than the XPS One, faster CPU/GPU, cheaper, double the HD storage at the same price, and a far superior H-IPS LCD panel instead of the Dell's MVA. The Macbook Air is both faster and cheaper than a comparable Dell Adamo or Lenovo x300, and the prior gen Mac Pros with Core Xeons were actually $500-$1000 cheaper than a Dell or HP with the same specs (the gap has closed with the new i7 Xeons, no idea why).

But yeah, you're SOL if you want a Mac with an ATX style motherboard and consumer level CPUs, for that you need a Hackintosh. Sucks, and Xeons with FB-DIMMs are a waste of power and money for almost anyone out there. A consumer level CPU in a Mac Pro style enclosure would do great, but it would be cheaper than the iMac, something I don't think they want to do, All-in-ones for mainstream consumer desktops are burned into Apple's DNA, it seems.
 
FLECOM said:
My Mac Pro was $2500 . . . and it's a quad-core Xeon workstation . . . show me a quad-core Xeon workstation from Dell that costs $600 . . .
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Heh, well that would be pointless, wouldn't it? :confused:

Here's my take on things. You have the "ooh," (style/aesthetic) the "ahh," (power/performance) and the "ouch" (price).

Mac knows what they are, and they are not shopping for the "ahh," crowd. They give you the "ooh". If you want the "ooh," and the "ahh," they also bundle the "ouch". And they don't mind doing this at all. You can get a dumpy i7 Dell rig for $800 that, in performance, would outperform any Mac under $3000. But it's still not a Mac. Ooh.

And they know this. Ouch.
 
I guess you could call me a huge Apple fan, I've got about 20 computers and the only ones that ever give me any trouble are the Windows machines. Not only do they have regular issues, but most of the time I end up having to hire an IT guy to figure it out. I find OS X to be far superior to Windows XP. I'm constantly amazed at the number of people on these forums who seem to feel otherwise, have you actually used OS X for any amount of time? However, after having said that, it certainly does sound like Microsoft finally pulled their head out and got it right with Windows 7. I admit to not having used it yet, but literally all of the reviews I've read have been very positive. Apple may feel otherwise, but it's hard not to think that this will hurt them. I have mixed feelings about it myself; I've enjoyed watching Apple put out a superior product over the years, yet since I also have Windows machines I'd love to have a version of the OS that did not suck so bad!
 
FLECOM said:
honestly after having craptons of dells at work, i wouldent take one if you paid me... additionally i am not an apple fanboy, so stfu

additionally hotlinking images is against the rules here
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Seems to me that you just upset, because you were owned... ;)
 
It's a PR circus, if you ask me. I use both operating systems. Windows 7 is on my home PC and my wife's netbook. OSX Leopard is on our machines in the recording studio. They both hang. They both crash. They both work quite well. The fact that more users report trouble with Windows is, to me, attributable to the success of Windows as a platform. I believe it was Biggie Smalls who once said, "More users, more problems."

Having used both setups, I think they are both quite complex at times, and also quite simple for most everyday tasks. I don't understand the idea that one is grossly more user-friendly than the other. Even though I like our Macs for what they are (that is, "pretty", and largely more compatible with our recording software), I will never try to pretend that the price tag is justified, at least not in terms of performance.

I will most likely always keep Windows machines at home, and Macs in the studio. It is my curse. :)
 
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