Apple Sees Win 7 as an Opportunity to Sell Macs

My question is, why are they waiting to Windows 7 to see this mass exodus from Windows? They already have Snow Leapord out...it's not like you'd really be waiting on anything on the Apple side (other than maybe i7). They should have been migrating in droves a month ago...but I don't think it happened, did it?
 
Wait.. .so Apple includes iLife package which have all other software, and they dont' get sued for that?. In the other hand, Windows get sued for pre-installed software!!! ...
 
darkhunter139 said:
Hackintosh ftw?

I have both and I would not switch my desktop or laptop to OSX even if I could. Mac is cool but I prefer windows.
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When with a hackintosh, you are still limited on what hardware you need to get to make it work. So even doing a hackintosh is pointless when using either Windows or Linux.
 
[RIP]Zeus;1034768650 said:
Even with a hackintosh, you are still limited on what hardware you need to get to make it work. So even doing a hackintosh is pointless when using either Windows or Linux.
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Damn that No edit button :D
 
Anything that limits my hardware choices is a no starter for me.
 
Baer said:
Anything that limits my hardware choices is a no starter for me.
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I have to agree on this.

If you look at the macs now.. so you see any of them coming out with AMD Phenom's? Or nVidia GTX series, or ATI 4800 series? or even the new 5000 Series?

Nope.. And intill i can pick and choice like Baer said.. Apple is not going to be a option on my plate.

Now i have used MacOSX and i think it's horrible. The interface IMHO is sloppy at best. but thats my opinion. Also the one button thing.. drives me up a wall. Now i haven't played with the new version out. and i am sure it addresses some of the issues i have with OSX. But i'm not spending 1000+ on a machine that had almost no upgrade path, and limits my choice of hardware.
 
Baer said:
I say that as someone who has used Apples, and every version of WIndows sincw 3.0 as well as most versions of DOS. I am now running Windows 7 Ultimate, full comercial version and I love it. It is fast, it looks good withouit useless bling and it is extremly stable. What is not to love? Unless you are an MS hater you will really like WIn 7. It runs on older computers as well or better than Xp and with a powerful computer is is amazing. With my i7 rig it boots to useable screen from the push of the on button in under 15 seconds, with my older computer it takes 20 seconds. The onmly thing that boged it down a little was iTunes, thats right, all the unnecessary garbage that Apple loads in with i Tunes like Quick time at startup and services such as Bonjour and Apple mobile device add bloat. Notyhing that you notice but why is Apple adding garbage that a PC user does not need or usually want? (Hmmmm).
Why pay the Apple tax, get a weaker computer (ni i7's on Apples yet) and be out of sync with the comming Windows wave.
I am one that was OK with Vista but not impressed with it enough to change over most of our computers. With WIndows 7 out I will be switching all of our computers to it over the next 30 days.
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QFT & +1

Windows 7 is a triumphant turn around for Windows. It is the highest quality Windows release ever.
 
k1pp3r said:
Simple, a service pack addresses core issues with an OS while maintaining the samer Kernal and providing a handful of new features but does not change the core function or functionality of the OS while maintaining current OS system requirements.
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Then, by that definition, Windows 7 could be viewed as a service pack. In fact, I see the potential for Snow Leopard to be excluded from that definition by virtue of the fact that non-Intel platforms are no longer supported, thus being a change in system requirements. I don't see it that way, but based on that definition, one could potentially see it that way.

I see the value in Windows 7 and Snow Leopard, at least enough to call them both new operating systems, and that's what MS and Apple call them, respectively. The whole "Snow Leopard is a service pack" thing is, and always will be, merely a troll comment, just as would be the claim that Windows 7 is a service pack.

TheMead said:
Apple is just dreaming, if someone is not happy with hte prospect of upgrading to windows 7 from XP, then they are ust going to stick with XP.
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Pretty much. Apple's just saying what they need to say to satisfy investors by making their company appear stronger than it is (or stronger than it will be). This is no surprise -- just business as usual, and certainly not a tactic specific to Apple.

Baer said:
The onmly thing that boged it down a little was iTunes, thats right, all the unnecessary garbage that Apple loads in with i Tunes like Quick time at startup and services such as Bonjour and Apple mobile device add bloat.
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I had no noticeable slowdown after I had installed iTunes on my i7 rig. The total memory load incurred by the background services iTunes installs is less than a few megs. In fact, Apple Mobile Device service uses around 200k on an average system (and can be easily disabled anyway, if you don't need it).

Baer said:
Why pay the Apple tax, get a weaker computer (ni i7's on Apples yet)
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The Mac Pros are on Nehalem, which is the same architecture as i7, only in a "workstation-grade" Xeon package.

MDboyz said:
Wait.. .so Apple includes iLife package which have all other software, and they dont' get sued for that?. In the other hand, Windows get sued for pre-installed software!!! ...
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If Apple had Microsoft's market share, it would be a problem. It's not the act itself of pre-installing software but the combination of the overwhelming market share and pre-installed software that raises flags.
 
FLECOM said:
...my mac pro was $2500... and its a quad core xeon workstation... show me a quad core xeon workstation from dell that costs $600...
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can't, but how bout an HP for $1500?
http://h10010.www1.hp.com/wwpc/us/e...9-307907-4050763-3718668-3718669-3937732.html

FLECOM said:
...if you want to make a good comparison to your $600 dell, it would be the $600 mac mini, and the mini is sexier and nicer on a desk than a dell by a lot...
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not quite an *cough* apples to apples comparison, its more a hybrid desktop/laptop based on the guts. (and people whine about upgradability of DELLS?)

but I admire their HUGE BRASS BALLS when the only option for a monitor is:
"Apple LED Cinema Display (24" flat panel) [Add $899.00] "
 
Vermillion said:
Gaming. ;)
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Joe Average is probably playing games like WoW, The Sims and other mainstream games, and those are an option on OS X as well. If you're talking about enthusiasts, we of course all know that's an entirely different matter.
 
as long as apple keeps out-innovating the competition, they'll always have ample opportunities to sell macs....

their gross margin is the best in the industry.... the only thing I can fault them on is not selling more to businesses.....
 
I think the VP of whatever he does at Apple is absolutely correct, Apple will spin this into another "I'm a Mac" type commercials and sell BILLIONS! (or at least keep hold to that 2% market share they have or what not :)
 
Ron Mexico said:
Agree. If I could get a Macbook Air with Win 7 on it I'd be in Heaven.
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I've heard too many horror stories of flimsy 'thin' laptops just breaking physically.

It's one of those things that you may think is cool from afar but reality hits you when you own one and you immediately regret it.
 
You guys are all hilarious. I can't get over the groupthink on this site. Apple nets roughly 30% profit these days. Think about that for a minute while you go check what some publicly traded company you think doesn't suck pulls in percentage wise. Number of Macs sold is up 10+% over Q3 last year. They're pretty smart to ignore the low-margin low-end if you ask me.

http://www.itpro.co.uk/612985/apple-and-rim-dominate-profit-share

http://www.theiphoneblog.com/2009/04/17/reminder-apple-profit-share-market-share/

"Derrr... what is Crapple doing selling shiny turds? They'll never get more than 5 ... I mean 6 ... I mean 8 or 9% market share!"
 
phide said:
Then, by that definition, Windows 7 could be viewed as a service pack. In fact, I see the potential for Snow Leopard to be excluded from that definition by virtue of the fact that non-Intel platforms are no longer supported, thus being a change in system requirements. I don't see it that way, but based on that definition, one could potentially see it that way.

I see the value in Windows 7 and Snow Leopard, at least enough to call them both new operating systems, and that's what MS and Apple call them, respectively. The whole "Snow Leopard is a service pack" thing is, and always will be, merely a troll comment, just as would be the claim that Windows 7 is a service pack.
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I see a lot of change in 7, i can't personally speak of OSX Snow Leopard but i do feel that 7 in worthy of as a new OS and is so much more than a service pack.

The way you put your statements, everything since Win95 should just be "service packs"
 
phide said:
I had no noticeable slowdown after I had installed iTunes on my i7 rig. The total memory load incurred by the background services iTunes installs is less than a few megs. In fact, Apple Mobile Device service uses around 200k on an average system (and can be easily disabled anyway, if you don't need it).

It is not memory but additional services running. I am benching everything and anything that is measurable and that I do not need or want goes.


The Mac Pros are on Nehalem, which is the same architecture as i7, only in a "workstation-grade" Xeon package.

Not quite, the HT ability and the ability to OC by as much as 50% is just part of the difference. For example, many of us went from the i7 920 CO to the DO, why? just to get a lower OC temp under load and some other modest advantages. Even if you get a Dell or an HP or Sony I would clear out all the crapola and make it run as well as it can.

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The rest I agree with.
 
Arrgggg, no edit button. My answers are in the quote, and sorry for the typos.
 
phide said:
Apple's next batch of commercials should really focus their attention on PC users like yourself. Just take John Hodgman, for instance, and have him scream, shout obscenities, make wishes that Mac users would drop dead and so on. Then consumers might have a pretty good idea of what crowd you get to associate with as a PC user. Would certainly go a long way in making being part of the "Mac crowd" quite a bit more appealing, I'd think.
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The Mac crowd is similar, except they do it with fancier words that few understand.

When Apple stops slapping twice the price on similar spec machines, then they may have a chance in the mainstream market.
 
There are a few people on either side that go over the top on any issue.:rolleyes: Building a marketing plan on that would fail.
The Mac ads really annoy many of us however and in fact I was neutral on Apple as a past Apple owner until they started getting on my nervs. They are just plain false and anoying but it is their choice. One day when I got anoied at one of their ads I just sold my Apple stock, it made me feel better, when the stock went down the following week it made me feel even better.:p
 
FLECOM said:
Did you really just go the "My computer is sexier than yours" on a website almost dedicated the enthusiast's who make there own computers "sexy".. tsk tsk. Typical Mac owner.. "but its so pretty.."

As for Apples Stock Price. Thats high Because Iphone, Ipod, and Itunes. In no way is that an accurate representation of the PC division, and thus a ridiculous fact to bring up in a "Mac VS PC" debate. But since you did, please note that ITunes is installed on 4 PC's to every 1 mac. And about a similar ratio of IPhone users go home to their PC, and not their MAC.

People want compatibility. They want to work on something at home and take it to the office and work on it there. For 20 some years now thats what Microsoft has provided. Their OS runs on all sorts of hardware by default, Where Apple only wants (I said wants, I know it can run on other hardware) theirs on preferred hardware. Apple will not get anywhere, in the PC market, until they conform to the standards set forth. Just like the ZUNE will never be an Ipod, An Apple OS will never be Windows. I you could install OS X, Supported, on any PC Apple would see more market share. just like if the ZUNE worked with ITunes, it would probably see market share increases.

You people need to learn how to debate!

continue :)
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k1pp3r said:
The way you put your statements, everything since Win95 should just be "service packs"
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No, I wouldn't say that. When Microsoft calls something an "operating system" I do the same. When Apple calls something an "operating system" I do the same. When Microsoft calls something a "service pack" I do the same. That's what makes the most sense to me. People who do otherwise have clear agendas in doing so.

That's not to say I can't gripe about the price points. Microsoft charges substantially more than Apple does for new OS versions despite the fact that new versions of Windows routinely outsell new OS X versions by a factor of at least 20:1. As a consumer, that doesn't make any sense to me.

Baer said:
Not quite, the HT ability and the ability to OC by as much as 50% is just part of the difference.
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As far as I'm aware, the Xeon in the Mac Pro supports Hyper-Threading. As for OC ability, I've seen no overclocking results on Nehalem Xeons to be able to say that they couldn't match i7 overclocks, if Apple would allow it (which they probably should considering the price tag).

DonInKansas said:
The Mac crowd is similar, except they do it with fancier words that few understand.
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So, as opposed to "I wish Mac fanbois would die", you catch Mac guys saying "I most assuredly declare that my wishes are for PC-loving neanderthals to depart from this dimensional existence"? Funny, I haven't ever seen that happen ;)
 
samsonJS said:
You guys are all hilarious. I can't get over the groupthink on this site. Apple nets roughly 30% profit these days. Think about that for a minute while you go check what some publicly traded company you think doesn't suck pulls in percentage wise. Number of Macs sold is up 10+% over Q3 last year. They're pretty smart to ignore the low-margin low-end if you ask me.

http://www.itpro.co.uk/612985/apple-and-rim-dominate-profit-share

http://www.theiphoneblog.com/2009/04/17/reminder-apple-profit-share-market-share/

"Derrr... what is Crapple doing selling shiny turds? They'll never get more than 5 ... I mean 6 ... I mean 8 or 9% market share!"
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pretty much this....

its important to note that apple's success has less to do with them ignoring the low end market, and more to do with them simply out-innovating most of their competition across the markets they compete in

that said, they do make some ridiculously high quality hardware.... i'm hoping to get my hands on one of those sweet 13 inch MBPs real soon...
 
phide said:
No, I wouldn't say that. When Microsoft calls something an "operating system" I do the same. When Apple calls something an "operating system" I do the same. When Microsoft calls something a "service pack" I do the same. That's what makes the most sense to me. People who do otherwise have clear agendas in doing so.
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Thats a quirk of supply and demand. MS knows they can charge that and people will still pay it. Where as with Apple your paying a premium on the hardware as appose to the OS since the same company sells both.
 
To a certain extent, he's not wrong. At least not totally.

However, I do believe Windows 7 brings MS into fighting position finally. It has run perfectly for me since the early releases, and if you get a BSOD, you need to look at drivers or hardware. Not Win7.

It's not perfect though. The new taskbar is a glorified joke. It's completely irrational and harms productivity.

Luckily it's easy to get the old one back :)

And I have to say, Win7 finally fixed the networking issues that Vista had. I can now push 75-100MB/Sec over my LAN. Vista RTM was pathetic. 15-20 was all it could do. Hacked Vista would move that up to 25 or so. The service packs helped a bit more.

But now in Win7 it's finally fixed right.
 
TechLarry said:
It's not perfect though. The new taskbar is a glorified joke. It's completely irrational and harms productivity.

Luckily it's easy to get the old one back :)
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i can agree with that.... every single person i've shown it too finds it hideous to work with...
 
Max Mike said:
Windows 7 is very bad news for Apple Computers… Apple knows this.
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What are you talking about, Windows 7 is great news for Mac. Do you know how fast Windows 7 runs on Mac.

Posted from my iPhone.
 
Apple's ads are still obnoxious, shocking.

Its too bad too, their Mac commercials are the worst things they produce. Of course, same goes for Microsoft's horrible marketing. :)

Why can't they all market more like HP? They have the best ads in the tech industry, absolutely beautiful and memorable. Of course, I'm not a fan of HP's products at all while I love Apple's stuff and Windows 7, goes to show you that there is zero correlation between the quality of advertising and the product. :D
 
If you want to get some work done get a PC. If you have more money than brains you get a MAC.
 
Eh, opposite for me. OS X has a better UI for multitasking while Windows is great for gaming. If I'm working its all on my OS X machine and if I'm playing games its on Windows.
 
Serpico said:
Eh, opposite for me. OS X has a better UI for multitasking while Windows is great for gaming. If I'm working its all on my OS X machine and if I'm playing games its on Windows.
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I'm going to start keeping a tally on how many times you say this in Mac related threads. Expose and Spaces are good. We get that; you don't have to reply to obvious trolls to drill that into everyone's heads.
 
Serpico said:
Eh, opposite for me. OS X has a better UI for multitasking while Windows is great for gaming. If I'm working its all on my OS X machine and if I'm playing games its on Windows.
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I do not agree, I sometimes have to fill three monitors with open widdows of data putting together presentations. Photoshop images adding into PPT, relational data base info Etc. I have all the business Apps fully WIndows ready while some of the Mac apps, even Office for Apple is not as feature rich. Sure games are mostly written for P,C.'s over Macs but creating stuff (not pics or advertisements) but actual work for clients, being compatable with the business world (not facebook, which you can do on a phone) for real production of work, you need a P.C. I will bet that many Mac owners also have to have a P C but that few P C owners need a Mac.
 
FoxhoundOp said:
I'm going to start keeping a tally on how many times you say this in Mac related threads. Expose and Spaces are good. We get that; you don't have to reply to obvious trolls to drill that into everyone's heads.
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Are you going to keep a tally of how many times people make the silly assumption that Macs are only good for screwing around on? ;)
 
Baer said:
I do not agree, I sometimes have to fill three monitors with open widdows of data putting together presentations. Photoshop images adding into PPT, relational data base info Etc. I have all the business Apps fully WIndows ready while some of the Mac apps, even Office for Apple is not as feature rich. Sure games are mostly written for P,C.'s over Macs but creating stuff (not pics or advertisements) but actual work for clients, being compatable with the business world (not facebook, which you can do on a phone) for real production of work, you need a P.C. I will bet that many Mac owners also have to have a P C but that few P C owners need a Mac.
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Funny, here in the film industry we do production work on Macs all the time...

And Facebook? WTF kind of point are you trying to make with that silly example?
 
Almost everyone here has an agenda and is either a troll or only looks at things through their eyes.

fdiaz78 said:
If you want to get some work done get a PC. If you have more money than brains you get a MAC.
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My work involves unix and the only way to make Windows usable for my work is to install Linux in VirtualBox. On the road I don't want to worry about Linux on a notebook (sleep, battery life, wireless, etc.) so I go for a MacBook which gets me 95% of the way there. Anything that needs the last 5% can also be done in a VM (Linux specific development like inotify or d-bus). Since the release of OS X 10.3 or 10.4 Macs have been some of the nicest unix machines you can find, and the best unix notebooks (imo).

It obviously all depends on your use case. If you need zsh and gcc then Windows isn't useful, and if you want to play Assassin's Creed or your work involves SQL Server or Visual Studio then nothing except Windows is useful, ditto for iPhone devel on the Mac.
 
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