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While reading this editorial on the backlash against Windows 7, I found this link to the Wall Street Journal’s review of Windows 7 that is definitely a good read as well. There you have it, two links for the price of one. This two-fer news post has been brought to you by laziness and the letter [H]. :D

"In recent years, I, like many other reviewers, have argued that Apple's Mac OS X operating system is much better than Windows. That's no longer true."
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Yo Steve!, I"m really happy fo you, and I'm let you finish... But Windows 7 is one of the Best Operating Systems of All Time!!!
 
Yeah. Apple OS X is so much better than Windows that everyone buys a Mac.


Windows XP was, by any measure, a hugely successful product for Microsoft. It’s been around for almost eight years, officially launching October 25th, 200.
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More like 1,809 years.
 
retard friendliness....I like.:p
Still upset that us early adopters of the MS dubbed, NOT GOOD, Vista are not getting any discount or upgrade. Even though I have no problem, or have had any with my 64vista.
 
There is and will be no backlash against Windows 7. Louderback while seems to be a nice guy is a idiot if he had that much trouble on those computers.
 
ferrisnox said:
Yo Steve!, I"m really happy fo you, and I'm let you finish... But Windows 7 is one of the Best Operating Systems of All Time!!!
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Ey Yo Windows, 7 is good n all n looks real nice, but you gotsta give it up for OSX. Its got da dysfunctionality yo!
 
Jakalwarrior said:
They don't think about functionality or level of software support. They are talking about glitz and retard friendliness and just wont admit it.
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just as a sidenote, I got a diehard Mac friend. When he comes over to use my computer. He has trouble locating Firefox and getting online. XP is almost unusable to him, however, when I go to play on his new Mac Pro, I can use my context clues to still do stuff.


Windows, The OS for the un-tards.
 
It does seem like the average reviewer of an operating system does only look at the glamour and useless features. Sure it may be nice to have a real nice looking operating system, but it does nothing in how well it functions. The real advantages of a newer operating system are the new security features that will prevent attacks in the future, or new features like Powershell that allow more powerful scripting.

The average user just wants to run there applications, but the flexibility of a newer operating system is how well system administrators and programmers can manage or take advantage of the new features.
 
The first article linked was on spot. Vista was perceived poorly only because it was a new kernel and required new drivers. Vista was the necessary gateway to ease the driver developers into the next Windows, which is Windows 7.

Had Windows 7 came after XP, there's no doubt in my mind that it would receive just as bad reviews as Vista did.

Vista is a great OS if you have drivers for all of your hardware, which I did. Vista 64 was really good for me and my system in my sig.
 
What's with all the Mac hate? When Windows is easy to use it's good, but for OS X it's bad? I'm a developer and think that OS X is awesome. It's unix with proper package managers and all the other \*nix goodies you are used to. X11 out of the box so you can run useful apps like tcpdump, ngrep, and WireShark to sniff network traffic, and when you need git for SCM or gcc you don't have to jump through hoops to get them to work well. Out of the box you get a proper command line shell like bash or zsh.

Vista is nice too. I haven't had a problem since I picked it up after SP1. I just prefer \*nix for writing software, and OS X is a really user friendly \*nix. When I develop on Windows I do it in a Linux VM.
 
Max Mike said:
There is and will be no backlash against Windows 7. Louderback while seems to be a nice guy is a idiot if he had that much trouble on those computers.
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Agreed, Louderback is just learning something I learned about XP before Vista even came out. XP is some how quite forgiving on unstable hardware. More so then any other OS I have tested since. I never went back to see if 2k or 98se shared this forgiving nature or not. I just know Linux and Vista expose stability problems with a system that XP often hides.

Odds are the problems he is having with crashing and such after moving to 7 is due to failing hardware in these older systems he wanted to test it on.
 
TL;DR: I'm not trying to say OS X is perfect, but in a world of shitty software Apple does ok.

ChrisCanada said:
It does seem like the average reviewer of an operating system does only look at the glamour and useless features. Sure it may be nice to have a real nice looking operating system, but it does nothing in how well it functions. The real advantages of a newer operating system are the new security features that will prevent attacks in the future, or new features like Powershell that allow more powerful scripting.

The average user just wants to run there applications, but the flexibility of a newer operating system is how well system administrators and programmers can manage or take advantage of the new features.
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A fellow canuck. :) At least someone gets it. Who cares if it's shiny, what's under the hood? Every modern desktop OS is (or can be) shiny: Win7, Linux + e17 ... or compiz if you like that sort of thing, and OS X.

The truth of the matter is probably this, if you're a 20-something like me. You grew up on DOS and Windows - just like me - and never thought about other systems much. You saw Mac OS 6-9 and hated the one-button mice - just like me - why would you want one of these? Your old relatives think they are great, easy to use. Cool I guess, but there are few games, and what's with the all-in-one design? Forget about them. Win ME comes out, you try it for about an hour and then go back to XP. XP is getting pretty stable. It was very exciting to escape from 98 SE. A few years pass and you see Linux advancing and XP stagnating. Vista is a horror show and keeps being delayed. XP SP2 comes out, a firewall, fantastic.

(This is probably where our stories cease to resemble each other.)

You meet a comp sci friend at school who likes to program in Python. He has a PowerBook and you're pretty surprised. It's running OS X. Oh yeah, I saw some videos of 10.4 that just came out with Expose. Stupid eye candy, who wants that? I want a computer for real work. He shows you that it's unix, quite like any other BSD under the shiny UI. He shows you that all text fields use Emacs shortcuts for navigation (stay on the home row!), two-finger touch scrolling, two-finger tap (right-click), and the Services menu[1] and a bunch of neat OS X apps like Delicious Library[2], and you wonder if there's something to it. You get a Mac Mini to try it out and , then a 60gb iPod ... wow, Apple does know how to integrate hardware + software fabulously. Here I was thinking the iPod was just as lame as my Creative Nomad ... ha. You wish Apple had a low-end because you're a student but learn to realize that it's best to use a mix of OSs anyway, as OS X is proprietary, and on Linux and Windows you can resize a window from any edge and let's face it, that's something we all want to do now and then.


[1] The Services menu is geeky but awesome. Non-geeks don't get it though. It's improved in 10.6 too.

[2] Delicious Library lets you use your webcam to scan barcodes and built a digital catalog of your music, movies, and books, and then keep track of lending them out to friends and other cool stuff.


sorry, did not mean to rant like that, i'm fucking bored.
 
With Windows 7, PC users will at last have a strong, modern successor to the sturdy and familiar, but aged, Windows XP, which is still the most popular version of Windows, despite having come out in 2001. In the high-tech world, an eight-year-old operating system is the equivalent of a 20-year-old car.[/QUOTE]

That would make the various flavors of *.nix the equivalent of what, a rickshaw?
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samsonJS said:
What's with all the Mac hate? When Windows is easy to use it's good, but for OS X it's bad?
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Because in fanboyland, for one thing to be good the other thing by default has to suck. :rolleyes:

For my money, OS X still has better and more powerful desktop and workspace management, but that doesn't automatically mean that I think Vista or Windows 7 are horrible. Its all pretty darn good at this point (don't get me started on XP though, people need to move the fuck forward).
 
slickmitch said:
retard friendliness....I like.:p
Still upset that us early adopters of the MS dubbed, NOT GOOD, Vista are not getting any discount or upgrade. Even though I have no problem, or have had any with my 64vista.
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There was a $50 upgrade for Vista retail. Which is still too much for a freaking patch.

Everyone has been sucked in by MS's marketing for Windows 7 and wanting an excuse to upgrade. What changed? Nothing important. IT'S STILL VISTA! Fools!

Is Vista or W7 a bad OS? No. Is it better than XP? No, it's a step backwards, with the exception of 4GB+ RAM support.
 
sleepeeg3 said:
There was a $50 upgrade for Vista retail. Which is still too much for a freaking patch.

Everyone has been sucked in by MS's marketing for Windows 7 and wanting an excuse to upgrade. What changed? Nothing important. IT'S STILL VISTA! Fools!

Is Vista or W7 a bad OS? No. Is it better than XP? No, it's a step backwards, with the exception of 4GB+ RAM support.
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I agree with everything except the last part. XP's security model where the main user account can make admin/root level changes to the operating system is inherently flawed. It is like swiss cheese compared to OS X, Vista, or Windows 7. Ditto long term stability and OS rot. OS X, Vista, and presumably Windows 7 because it is so much like Vista, can run for ages with no active maintenence and run like new. Fat chance that happening with a 2+ year old XP installation, even on very diligently maintained installation (forget ones that your average joe uses and takes zero care of).

I really don't see the point of XP, nor do I see how it is a step backwards, haven't ever since OS 10.4 launched in 2005. Vista post-SP1 and Windows 7 are excellent modern operating systems, I don't get why people insist on staying behind in the stone age with XP when there's little reason to outside of some business software that doesn't run in anything more recent.
 
It seems some people just aren't happy unless they have something to bitch about.Everything I've heard from people who have actually used Windows 7 has been positive.
 
michael.pa2 said:
It seems some people just aren't happy unless they have something to bitch about.Everything I've heard from people who have actually used Windows 7 has been positive.
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Well, it was similar with Vista. 90% of the people who complained to me about it (and there are still some today!) have NEVER used it once. I did have people come in who had an old embroidery machine that they couldn't get to work with Vista, or whatever old, but still usable expensive peripheral they needed. That's understandable.

But to say "Vista sucks," "OSX sucks," or "Windows 7 sucks" or "whatever OS sucks" without giving it a try yourself (and by try I mean more than 5 minutes) in no way makes you an expert qualified to say officially whether something sucks or not.
 
the people still blabbering about XP are the same ones saying "when you pry my AGP card, ISA soundcard from my cold dead hands." :D
 
sleepeeg3 said:
There was a $50 upgrade for Vista retail. Which is still too much for a freaking patch.

Everyone has been sucked in by MS's marketing for Windows 7 and wanting an excuse to upgrade. What changed? Nothing important. IT'S STILL VISTA! Fools!

Is Vista or W7 a bad OS? No. Is it better than XP? No, it's a step backwards, with the exception of 4GB+ RAM support.
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Have you used W7? I really find it hard to believe that you would think W7 is a step backwards from XP if you have actually used the OS.
 
one thing that makes win7 and vista great is in WMP i can run a game and a movie on the other screen no problems, no window mode, a fullscreen movie, no noticeable frame loss or instability either

thats a good enough reason to upgrade in itself
 
sleepeeg3 said:
There was a $50 upgrade for Vista retail. Which is still too much for a freaking patch.

Everyone has been sucked in by MS's marketing for Windows 7 and wanting an excuse to upgrade. What changed? Nothing important. IT'S STILL VISTA! Fools!

Is Vista or W7 a bad OS? No. Is it better than XP? No, it's a step backwards, with the exception of 4GB+ RAM support.
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Better UI and SSD support. Mainly the latter.
 
sleepeeg3 said:
There was a $50 upgrade for Vista retail. Which is still too much for a freaking patch.

Everyone has been sucked in by MS's marketing for Windows 7 and wanting an excuse to upgrade. What changed? Nothing important. IT'S STILL VISTA! Fools!

Is Vista or W7 a bad OS? No. Is it better than XP? No, it's a step backwards, with the exception of 4GB+ RAM support.
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Let's seen, in a couple of months I'll be dumping my DVR and going with a Windows 7 Media Center DVR for my Time Warner cable. Yeah, that's a MINOR thing. And yeah I know you could whack something up before 7 but not official support. I wasn't about to give up my DVR for something that wasn't supported.

Also FAR better support for tablet features and multi-touch. I use my tablet for writing a lot so yeah, improved inking is a big deal to me as well.

Not to mention that I'll be playing DX 11 stuff and that's on its way.

So have fun with XP!
 
ITT: People afraid of Mac OS, people who have never really used it, and people who don't realize that a lot of what makes W7 good (I use it and like it; see sig) is based on cues taken from Mac OS.

It really depends on how you use your computer. With Mac OS, you gain in stability what you lose in driver support. People saying there's "no software" for Mac OS don't seem to understand that since the transition to x86, the Mac can virtualize or run natively the vast majority of software available for both x86 and PPC architectures. On my Mac, I can run every piece of linux software I have wanted using macports and fink (cygwin on windows runs such a small fraction of *nix software that it's barely worth mentioning). I run Office 2007 (I need OneNote for some stuff) at native speed using Crossover, and I can play L4D with Crossover at the same FPS as I get by rebooting into Windows. I have to be able to run Xcode for work, and there's just no way to do that on Windows, no matter how hard I try. Can't we all just use what works for us?
 
I own/use both OSX + Win7, I like them both. I don't understand why people cry about either of them.
 
rdmty said:
I own/use both OSX + Win7, I like them both. I don't understand why people cry about either of them.
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Same here, ditto owning a 360 and a PS3, etc etc. Insecure fanboyism and the completely irrational belief that for one thing to be good, the other thing has to suck, are the main reasons.

Oh, and most people are 'tards that love to spread FUD about things that they are ignorant about. :p
 
Serpico said:
Same here, ditto owning a 360 and a PS3, etc etc. Insecure fanboyism and the completely irrational belief that for one thing to be good, the other thing has to suck, are the main reasons.

Oh, and most people are 'tards that love to spread FUD about things that they are ignorant about. :p
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I don't know about "most" people ... maybe just the noisiest ones.
 
Serpico said:
Same here, ditto owning a 360 and a PS3, etc etc. Insecure fanboyism and the completely irrational belief that for one thing to be good, the other thing has to suck, are the main reasons.

Oh, and most people are 'tards that love to spread FUD about things that they are ignorant about. :p
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I'm as big of a Windows fan boy as there is. Must of the stuff in a forum like this is just trash talk meant to be taken with a grain of salt. I don't own a Mac and never will unless I need it for or job or can make money from it.

The Mac is a great platform. I understand that and Apple has some really cool stuff. It's just not as cool as the Apple hype but no product really ever stands up the the corporate hype.

Windows for me "just works". Sure it has its issues but as the years go by and we get new hardware and a new OS in Windows 7, I simply marvel at all that I do on my PC's now.

With the release of the Ceton CableCard tuners the PC I've always wanted to build is almost hear. The machine that not only "just works" but "just does it all".
 
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