NVIDIA Fakes Fermi Boards at GPU Conference

u know a good way to end this would be for NV to show everyone the prototype board they used for the demo...
 
vengence said:
I, along with many other people in this thread fail to see the "news" here. What's next are ya'll going to start quoting forms as "news" sources? Just because it is posted on a website instead of a forum is it suddenly "news" rather than just ramblings? I'm just curious what defines this as news instead of ramblings?
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If I hadn't seen it linked here on the home page I doubt I would have seen it.

I don't usually check out his rants that actually make the front page but for me this one was useful.

Cause I have already been getting asked "when can I get a GT300?".

And I have been telling people that no one has even seen a photo of a production sample. So my best guess is early next year.

If I had not seen this linked here and skimmed it for all of a few min looking at the photos. It wouldn't have been long before someone mentioned a video I did not see where a guy from nvidia is saying they have one right here.

But in less time then it took me to reply to you, I know for sure what I have been telling clients still stands.
 
I got the impression that they had working samples of GT300 already. If they don't have ANYTHING then my optimism on when GT300 will show up goes down a lot.
 
lixuelai said:
I got the impression that they had working samples of GT300 already. If they don't have ANYTHING then my optimism on when GT300 will show up goes down a lot.
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oh don't worry, they will have it out this year.... Yeah right!!! I'm going with April.
 
I would think, that since they only had SEVEN CORRECTLY MANUFACTURED GPUs that perhaps the demo itself was ran on a Fermi GPU, but the cards they were holding/showing off were most likely not actual fermi parts. They only have SEVEN of them. I figured they would be holding up props even before this new came out just because it's almost like a duh, of course they would use a prop in that situation. It really doesn't matter though, it served it's purpose. It is obviously a fake board there though, I mean the parts on the card don't even line up with the solder marks on the back.
 
i like the term "even a blind squirrel can find a nut...sometimes"

if you actually have a brain, and can make up your own mind (without bias) you can see the benefits from charlies knee-jerk/over-the-top articles....and the same thing on nvidia's side...

basically there are truths buried in all this...what i took away from the article is that the card was presented not as a mock up, but as a sample card

even without going through charlies highlights, LOOKING at the pictures should tell you it is NOT a functioning card in any sense of the word. maybe the chip is/was functional, but the thing can't get power - look at the power plugs

mock up or not, don't tell me (the consumer) that this is "the fermi", because if THAT'S what i have to look forward to, i think i'll be going to AMD for my next gpu purchase...
 
vengence said:
I, along with many other people in this thread fail to see the "news" here. What's next are ya'll going to start quoting forms as "news" sources? Just because it is posted on a website instead of a forum is it suddenly "news" rather than just ramblings? I'm just curious what defines this as news instead of ramblings?
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The [H] staff hold the editorial rights, not you. No one is forcing you to read anything on this site, get over yourself.
 
They could have at least got a 5870 and relabeled the cooler to make it look more official. The single power connector is a dead give away on this mock up. Now in days all the highest end cards have 2 pci-e connectors minimum.
 
LOL as i said this was just an attention grab by nv to try to rain on ati's positive press. ah they are so desperate for attention.
 
Who cares if they're showing a mock-up of a future product? It's not like they're putting bricks in retail boxes.
 
i'm probably going to sound like a noob here... I have been reading Charlies posts for a while now... what is his deal anyway? Did he get fired from nvidia? Did he have one of those one in a million absolutely horrid purchase/rma experiences? I'm not really a fanboy and buy whatever is the best price/performance on the market. but seriously, this dude is out in left field a lot of the time.
 
Manaknight said:
i'm probably going to sound like a noob here... I have been reading Charlies posts for a while now... what is his deal anyway? Did he get fired from nvidia? Did he have one of those one in a million absolutely horrid purchase/rma experiences? I'm not really a fanboy and buy whatever is the best price/performance on the market. but seriously, this dude is out in left field a lot of the time.
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He was an editor at the Inquirer for awhile, a tech tabloid site. Not sure why he isn't working for them anymore though. But anyways, tabloid writers are usually conspiratorial nuts.
 
LOL nVidia is now making up mock ups.... Yet Didnt CEO say that that was a working version that they had just finished in the lab?

one more LOL
 
Steve said:
Update: It looks like NVIDIA has confirmed the Fermi board shown at the conference was indeed a mock-up for display purposes only, pardon the pun.
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I guess letting the press take pictures of an actual working GT300 that looked liked it was slapped together in someones garage last night was not in the best interest in NV so some marketing puke slapped together a crude mock up that they thought was much sexier. Personally I find the idea of an engineering sample with long wires hanging off it and the solder still warm strangely seductive, but that is just me.
 
Steve said:
Update: It looks like NVIDIA has confirmed the Fermi board shown at the conference was indeed a mock-up for display purposes only, pardon the pun.
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But that link goes to Fudzilla another sister site of the Inq.

Can we at least get a non-Stinq related site?
 
PRIME1 said:
But that link goes to Fudzilla another sister site of the Inq.

Can we at least get a non-Stinq related site?
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No need, really. In the first paragraph Fudzilla basically implied Charlie was being sensationalist as usual.

from Fudzilla's first paragraph said:
Fermi that was running PhysX at Jensen's GTC keynote was real but the one that we all took pictures of was a mock-up.
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So nVidia DO have a working prototype. Just that the one in the photo op wasn't it.
 
We need to get Charlie to next examine the photographs and video footage taken when JFK was shot. He might be able to shed some new light on what happened that day.
 
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Azhar said:
No need, really. In the first paragraph Fudzilla basically implied Charlie was being sensationalist as usual.



So nVidia DO have a working prototype. Just that the one in the photo op wasn't it.
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Maybe Nvidia was afraid of having to show of their tri slot cooler they custom made specifically for Fermi.
 
Hurin said:
It's a shame that [H] so regularly perpetuates it though.

But then again, we're here posting about it. So mission accomplished.
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to be fair it would help though if nvidia would stop giving him ammo to use. their business practices as of late just do not help their case
 
I think its funny how some people thought it would be real (not saying around, but thinking about the comments on anandtech article) If it was really good to go I know I would be showing the raw chip without plastic covering to show ppl what 3 billion transistors would look like
 
vengence said:
I, along with many other people in this thread fail to see the "news" here. What's next are ya'll going to start quoting forms as "news" sources? Just because it is posted on a website instead of a forum is it suddenly "news" rather than just ramblings? I'm just curious what defines this as news instead of ramblings?
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I have already clearly stated by thoughts on this and quite frankly I don't care what you do or do not see in terms of news. Charlie has some points here that are very valid. Are they wrapped up in drama and spin? Yes. Get over it.

Feel free to run your own website any way you see fit. I will determine how to run mine. If you don't like it, I suggest the red X in the corner of your browser will help you out.
 
I hate to rain on everyone's NV bashing parade but I'm running the G300 right now playing Duke Nukem 4ever, streaming through the phantom console...so you'all better shut up!
 
Hmm...a corporation that doesn't always tell the truth?? Can't be true! Just ask a lawyer LOL
 
I love how everybody just attacks Charlie instead of attacking his article. Yeah, he's kind of a jackass, but in this case the parts about the board being a bad mock-up were undeniably true. Ad-hominem attacks against Charlie don't automatically invalidate everything he writes.

Nvidia showed this "Fermi" card, tried to pass it off as the real deal ("this puppy here, is Fermi"), claimed it was real when specifically asked about it. . . and then finally confirmed it was a fake when they could no longer deny it.

The best part is now Nvidia says "oh yeah well uh, we have a real working one backstage somewhere, but we're not gonna show anybody."
 
I'm sure this has all been said, so apologies for flogging the dead horse...

Personally I feel that if you don't have a product to show, don't show a fake. And if you do show a fake, expect someone to make you look silly by revealing that it is a fake. I think it is rather daft to show a random bit of plastic and say "hey look, a Fermi card! We have an actual product so don't hurry to buy our competitor's products!". That's only going to be counter-productive. In fact, by making an issue of the physical existence of their next graphics card, they have instead revealed that apparently they can't even produce a single presentable engineering sample for their CEO to wave at the press. Which, to me, looks pretty feeble. To be honest though, overall it's not that they were immoral in what they did, just that it is "telling" in terms of showing how ...preliminary... a state their hardware is in, that they felt it wasn't something they could let people take photos of. That's what the story is, to me. It makes those "few short months" look a lot less short. And I doubt that is what NVIDIA would have wanted.

Aside from that. Yes, Charlie is certainly annoying and I feel his kind of journalism is (and here's a wobbly analogy for you xD) akin to a blind man randomly lobbing darts - occasionally he will hit a bullseye on a dartboard but most of the time he's just a hazard to those in his immediate vicinity. But judge whatever he says on its own merits rather than on the identity of the person saying it (if you can be bothered to react to his claims at all, that is, and I can quite understand if you can't).
 
Jesus thats a terrible PR stunt right there.. talk about being loyal to your fan boys.
 
NV is getting shadier and shadier every day. first it was bad "bumps", then it was all that re branding old chips, followed up by disabling of physx on amd gpu's. now this? the only reason they showed it was to get people thinking they have this product that is almost ready to ship (try to get people from buying amd hd 5xxx's).... RIGHT!!! i think i'm going to start a thread on when the g300 will be released. pick your date, june 2010?
 
Azhar said:
He was an editor at the Inquirer for awhile, a tech tabloid site. Not sure why he isn't working for them anymore though. But anyways, tabloid writers are usually conspiratorial nuts.
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Nah, it's all about the page hits. Venomous talk and scandals bring page hits. We have the tabloids in news print, FOX and CNN on the TV, and the Inq. and Charlie's site/blog on the net.
I'm kinda pissed with Nv right now over my 9800gtx+ not working for PhysX with my AMD card, and trying to pass off old parts like new ones with the re-re-renaming. But this is nonsense. Nothing wrong with what Nv did here imo.

Nv prolly expected to have working hardware when they scheduled this event. They didn't, so they showed demos on 200 series parts and showed off mock ups. Disappointed that they did not have working parts that could get a little benchmark action going, yes, very. But it is not like they were trying to trick anyone. I would not call it non news, but it certainly does not warrant this much hubbub imho.
 
I like how Charlie took pictures of his 4890 and 5870 instead of comparing the fake mock up to a 9800GTX or GTX260 (or trying to find out what nv pcb was being used). I bet those cards came free ;)
 
Why in the world are you guys shooting the messenger? You might not like who the messenger is, but what the message is overall is very valid. Some have said CPU/GPU manufacturers do this. Yes you are right, maybe as a concept demo, or maybe before their competitor has released it's next gen product, but in this case NV did it when they should be close to releasing something.

AMD or Intel would be hung out to dry for trying something like this. Could you imagine Intel showing the benefits of i7, but instead it was an overclocked Conroe? What NV showed wasn't even that.

No matter what manufacturer you like, sometimes you have to come to grips that a manufacturer isn't doing what it should be doing. It's not like ATI/AMD released a Rage XT or thier biggest competitor is S3.

Will NV's next chip be faster than a 5870? Most likely it will. The thing is that it has to be RELEASED first. If it takes them any longer than March, NV will be behind by a full refresh cycle, in which case in relation to this article the author has every right to point that out and definately do an article on it.
 
CaptNumbNutz said:
Typical Charlie.:rolleyes:
Who gives a rats ass if the boards shown were mockups?
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People that use their brains care. Showing a crude, slapped together card and holding it up and flat out stating "This is Fermi" is pretty damn low.
Charlie is trying to imply that Nvidia doesn't have production underway, or worse yet the product doesn't even exist. What Charlie doesn't get is the fact that if A is true, it doesn't always mean B is true also.:rolleyes:
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Nvidia can clear everything up and show an actual card, which surely exists if the thing is to ship in less than 3 months.
Whoop de doo, the board was a mockup. Who cares. That board would have been nonfunctional by the end of the day anyways due to manhandling by reporters zapping it with static electricity every time they touched it.
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LOL! Now your excuses are sounding downright idiotic. So Nvidia can't afford to kill a single card? So then Jensen could hold up the real thing, and pass around the mockup to the press. The card would probably not get zapped anyway, I have test cards that are years old, they get tossed around, abused etc. and they work perfectly. It takes a lot to zap a card and kill it, it's not like the old days where the cmos chips would die if you looked at them wrong.
 
Because it didn't get enough parts to properly bring them up

We're experiencing a lot of parts shortages resulting in many production delays with our security products. Parts manufacturers forecasting didn't quite line up with actual orders.
 
kac77 said:
Why in the world are you guys shooting the messenger? You might not like who the messenger is, but what the message is overall is very valid.
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Eh, Hitler could tell me that vegetables are good for me and I would still drive a tank over him.
 
PRIME1 said:
Eh, Hitler could tell me that vegetables are good for me and I would still drive a tank over him.
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Yeah, but would you also refuse to eat your vegetable out of spite? ;)


I really think this whole thing has been blow out of proportion, and right now, I certainly can not be considered a fan of Nv. (looks over at his 9800gtx+ that was going to be used for PhysX/CUDA along side his AMD cards and directs evil thoughts towards Nv)
 
ultimately it comes down to trust and not treating your consumers like idiots.

Lying to us pisses us off. (There is nothing wrong with our laptops. Whoops. Yes there are.)

Treating us like idiots with rebrands instead of delivering new technology.

Being spiteful and actively disabling physx from working with a competitivers product. Sheesh why dont you just take your ball and go home. Oh you did.

It all leads to a very poor view on your business and perception of how you do business. Your customers will go elsewhere. Right now? If i had nv shares. I'd be selling them.
 
Things can be "true" and "valid" and still not constitute a scandal.

Mock ups and non-working prototypes are normal at shows and press events across many different industries.

People are attacking the messenger (Charlie) because he's dishonestly making this totally normal practice out to be some type of nefarious, dishonest scheme intended to trick us all (eeek!). As usual. He's inventing "news" and a dramatic story where none exists. All in an effort to artificially generate a scandal and draw attention to his site and himself. Again, as usual.
 
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