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Best 22''-24'' LCDs for text?
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1920x1200 would be better if you are reading text. And then get a panel with a PIVOT feature, so you can use it vertically and get a whopping 1920 pixels of height to read with.
Here's a nice roundup of 24" lcd monitors. Pay particular attention to the ones with the pivot feature, then decide for yourself.
http://www.anandtech.com/displays/showdoc.aspx?i=3302&p=1
Here's a nice roundup of 24" lcd monitors. Pay particular attention to the ones with the pivot feature, then decide for yourself.
http://www.anandtech.com/displays/showdoc.aspx?i=3302&p=1
Pivoting that size would mean you need to move your head up and down. That's not good for reading.
If you really want the ideal, you'd buy a 4:3 monitor. Humans have an easier time reading shorter lines, then moving down the page - just like a 8.5x11 piece of paper. Most people have a hard time finding the next line on a widescreen monitor if you were going to try to read a document at full width. Where the widescreen excels is in putting up two pages at once.
If you really want the ideal, you'd buy a 4:3 monitor. Humans have an easier time reading shorter lines, then moving down the page - just like a 8.5x11 piece of paper. Most people have a hard time finding the next line on a widescreen monitor if you were going to try to read a document at full width. Where the widescreen excels is in putting up two pages at once.
I was thinking an IPS panel of some sort since they usually appear to have a more stable and consistent image when viewed from different angles. But, I've also noticed lcd displays with the same pixel size can drastically differ from each other when it comes to "text crispness / sharpness" and overall text image quality. This is why I was hoping some of you more experienced hard forum members could recommend some things based on 1st hand experience 
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.2209wa didn't get that many good reviews, plus I can't stand those overly bright back-light lcd's. Don't get me wrong, the 2209wa seems like a good deal, but I'd rather pay slightly more for something that does what it's supposed to instead of being "almost good enough."
dejacky, I found 2209WA as 'almost good enough' only in relation to a heavily discounted top caliber S-PVA or H-IPS without truly factoring C/P.
Once C/P is factored in, the entire equation makes 2209WA a serious proposition, as you would be paying high-end TN price for something much more, for $216 at its best price makes it without equal. I have had the pleasure of talking about e-IPS with other [H] guys and even if we cannot make a definitive call on the very nature of the substrate and that we have seen some negatives, we can safely say that any e-IPS implementation will leave you with no reason to consider the budget TNs save for energy consumption.
Perhaps not yet, but give e-IPS a year and it may be salvation for the masses from TN. I personally am waiting to see LED backlight e-IPS units emerging to slay the high-end TNs.
Since you need a text reader, you will be happy with the PVAs. Remember to go easy on the backlight though. The moment you have to crank it up to 'feel' the contrast means that you shouldn't even consider that display.
Once C/P is factored in, the entire equation makes 2209WA a serious proposition, as you would be paying high-end TN price for something much more, for $216 at its best price makes it without equal. I have had the pleasure of talking about e-IPS with other [H] guys and even if we cannot make a definitive call on the very nature of the substrate and that we have seen some negatives, we can safely say that any e-IPS implementation will leave you with no reason to consider the budget TNs save for energy consumption.
Perhaps not yet, but give e-IPS a year and it may be salvation for the masses from TN. I personally am waiting to see LED backlight e-IPS units emerging to slay the high-end TNs.
Since you need a text reader, you will be happy with the PVAs. Remember to go easy on the backlight though. The moment you have to crank it up to 'feel' the contrast means that you shouldn't even consider that display.
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TN should do the job for text unless you want to pivot.
The Samsung F2380 c-PVA will perform better in terms of text quality.
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Why? is it the AG coating or the minimum brightness?
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Do you want to get a monitor for text display or do you want to spend money? Colour, gamma and contrast shift are going to impair text the least of all applications.
cPVA pixel structure improved (over older PVA)
Yes, little less AG coating
Low minimum brightness
High contrast (for text it's really high)
A bad thing is low vertical resolution but in comparison with 22" it's OK
The F2380 is good for text (almost total failure otherwise)
I reviewed both. I wouldn't say the 2475w is better for text. It can be even worse (slightly) until WG effect on text is reduced by calibration.
The F2380 has poor interpolation. Avoid interpolation, use native resolution, increase dpi for text up to 120 and get a good screen for text.
Edit: Nvm... larger pixels are useful sometimes, but when you can increase the size of the font:
Some of the best text I've seen has been from my friend's Samsung 2343BWX posted here in the HOTDEALS forum: http://www.hardforum.com/showthread.php?t=1454430 - it has a HIGH 16:9 resolution of 2048x1152.
Sure, it's TN, but it'll work well if you think you can get used to the minor color-shifting. If you're not going to be sitting directly in front of it, however, then the color-shifting becomes much much worse (typical of TN). Black levels aren't so great either.
In the same price range there is the Dell 2209wa everyone has mentioned.
In a higher price range of course there are the 24" H-IPS panels.
Some of the best text I've seen has been from my friend's Samsung 2343BWX posted here in the HOTDEALS forum: http://www.hardforum.com/showthread.php?t=1454430 - it has a HIGH 16:9 resolution of 2048x1152.
Sure, it's TN, but it'll work well if you think you can get used to the minor color-shifting. If you're not going to be sitting directly in front of it, however, then the color-shifting becomes much much worse (typical of TN). Black levels aren't so great either.
In the same price range there is the Dell 2209wa everyone has mentioned.
In a higher price range of course there are the 24" H-IPS panels.
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My impression is that S-PVA monitors are, in general, more appropriate for texts. It is important that you be able to keep brightness down, in order to protect your eyes, and at the same time, obtain decent contrast, for achieving crisp and clear text. My experience with an old S-PVA panel (21" 1680-1050 Samsung 215TW) is very positive. This monitor have a pivot function, but I think pivot is more functional in 24" rather than in 21 or 22". And in general in a 24" panel you dont really need, in order to create, write, read or edit a text, to have a pivot function. You have already ample space.
In my opinion, ISP panels, in general, are not recommended for office work maybe NEC 2490 WUXI is an exception and, also, the new Dell U2410 if really have a decent SRGB mode. In general, avoid wide gamut and 16:9 monitors.
So, I suggest two S-PVA panels:
In 24": Eizo S2431: It is a highly versatile monitor, with an automatic brightness adjustment. But, unfortunately, it is not a bargain.
I dare say that if you could afford the price, then the Samsung 275T will be also an excellent choice.
In my opinion, ISP panels, in general, are not recommended for office work maybe NEC 2490 WUXI is an exception and, also, the new Dell U2410 if really have a decent SRGB mode. In general, avoid wide gamut and 16:9 monitors.
So, I suggest two S-PVA panels:
In 24": Eizo S2431: It is a highly versatile monitor, with an automatic brightness adjustment. But, unfortunately, it is not a bargain.
I dare say that if you could afford the price, then the Samsung 275T will be also an excellent choice.
kokkin9,
thanks for your input. The samsung is overkill in terms of size and the Eizo is beyond my current budget. It's always good to learn about solutions even if they're beyond my budget to help me make the best choice. I saw a video on the Dell U2410, and it seemed like the whites were almost blinding in the sense they were not comfortable to my eyes. But, the text seemed crisp. The Dell 2209wa text also appears very sharp and easy to read. How would you monitor gurus say the Dell 2209wa compares to the U2410 in terms of text quality and white production (i.e. which is easier on the ol eyes)?
thanks for your input
. The samsung is overkill in terms of size and the Eizo is beyond my current budget. It's always good to learn about solutions even if they're beyond my budget to help me make the best choice. I saw a video on the Dell U2410, and it seemed like the whites were almost blinding in the sense they were not comfortable to my eyes. But, the text seemed crisp. The Dell 2209wa text also appears very sharp and easy to read. How would you monitor gurus say the Dell 2209wa compares to the U2410 in terms of text quality and white production (i.e. which is easier on the ol eyes)?I got an HP 2475w this week based on good all-round reviews but I've found it's a real strain for text - blurry with anti-aliasing on and not great with it off. It feels like it needs a good whack on the top to get it into register.
It's being picked up on Monday. Any better suggestions? I do Quark, Word , web - I have to have good text resolution - otherwise the HP is great - fine build, great choice of inputs, great colour.
A specialist has recommended a 22 inch EIZO with the same res as the HP for about the same price. It could be a case of smaller is better. Or really are lcd/tfts all more or less the same for sharp text? i've been using a CRT and a plasma screen.
It's being picked up on Monday. Any better suggestions? I do Quark, Word , web - I have to have good text resolution - otherwise the HP is great - fine build, great choice of inputs, great colour.
A specialist has recommended a 22 inch EIZO with the same res as the HP for about the same price. It could be a case of smaller is better. Or really are lcd/tfts all more or less the same for sharp text? i've been using a CRT and a plasma screen.