ATI 5870 review up incl. crossfire!

necrophile said:
Scratches head, what review were you reading lowteckh?
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The ones that showed the 5870s skyrocketing way above its predecessors (and was using the 4890 as comparison as well, what, I can't do that?). Was expecting more, is it not allowed?
 
lowteckh said:
And this is why you should never take AMD's own benchmark crap as any sign of truth. Well, there is truth but it was way too exaggerated. I was expecting a lot more, almost buying into the "omg, will be 2x of the old stuff!!!".
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well performance can be up to 2x the performance of a 4870 (maybe even a bit more), it just depends on the game. some games might offer 50% better performance, some 75%, and some 100%. some games might not scale well at all due to being cpu limited (sometimes depending on resolution as well). so it all depends on what games you play and at what settings/ resolution you want to play at. like someone said, future games may widen the performance gap even further.
 
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kumquatsrus said:
well performance can be up to 2x the performance of a 4870 (maybe even a bit more), it just depends on the game. some games might offer 50% better performance, some 75%, and some 100%. some games might not scale well at all due to being cpu limited (sometimes depending on resolution as well). so it all depends on what games you play and at what settings/ resolution you want to play at. like someone said, future games may widen the performance gap even further.
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Ketchup is red too; you're just regurgitating the obvious. I didn't say it sucked, I said I was looking for more. Move along.
 
Card looks like a beast and I WANT one....too bad I gotta save over a grand to move, looks like I'll have to wait for the price drops that will come with the 5890. :)
 
amdownzintel said:
I personally really want ATI to win for about a year to gain some market + money so then AMD can compete again with Intel in the CPU market.

I'm not saying the card is shitty by any means, I just wanted a little higher numbers because I truly do think that Nvidia will be getting numbers around the same.
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AMD wins the minute this card ships out the door. How long they will win depends on how long Nvidia takes to get to market with a competitive card but all signs indicate they won't have any new product out until Q1 2010 at the earliest. A 3 month span of market dominance for ATI as the undisputed GPU leader is pretty darn remarkable.
 
A smart man would save his opinion for the [H]ard review. But since I am not that smart...

With the exception of HAWX, crossfire 5870's just aren't kicking SLI GTX 285's like I thought they would. And c'mon! We STILL can't "play" Crysis yet? wtf. ;)
I think the biggest selling point will be price - and I applaud AMD for that. The aggressive pricing of the 4xxx series brought high end gaming to a lot more people than Nvidia pricing would have. From what I've heard, the new cards will be very reasonably priced, and should kick butt at their respective price points.
A+ for value. A for performance.

Bring on the [H] review!
 
i'll wait to read the [H] review but i'm pretty convinced now to hold off till the 5870x2 comes out and get a pair instead of two 5870s.
 
Mehen said:
A smart man would save his opinion for the [H]ard review. But since I am not that smart...

With the exception of HAWX, crossfire 5870's just aren't kicking SLI GTX 285's like I thought they would. And c'mon! We STILL can't "play" Crysis yet? wtf. ;)
I think the biggest selling point will be price - and I applaud AMD for that. The aggressive pricing of the 4xxx series brought high end gaming to a lot more people than Nvidia pricing would have. From what I've heard, the new cards will be very reasonably priced, and should kick butt at their respective price points.
A+ for value. A for performance.

Bring on the [H] review!
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I think it's 5870X2 is going to get CPU limited to hell.

Look at Crysis 2560 between AA and no AA there was only an 8.5% hit where as 285X2 fell by 45%. And we are talking 8xAA here
 
Hypernova said:
I think it's 5870X2 is going to get CPU limited to hell.

Look at Crysis 2560 between AA and no AA there was only an 8.5% hit where as 285X2 fell by 45%. And we are talking 8xAA here
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I think a 4+Ghz I7 will take care of the 5870X2 just fine. It'll be severely limited with an X4 tho
 
Hypernova said:
I think it's 5870X2 is going to get CPU limited to hell.

Look at Crysis 2560 between AA and no AA there was only an 8.5% hit where as 285X2 fell by 45%. And we are talking 8xAA here
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yeah anybody without a an overclocked i7 would be almost foolish to run a 5870x2 or 5870 crossfire setup.
 
Once lucid becomes more standard, pci lanes will become much more valuable. No more ditching old cards, just moving them down a slot.

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Wazooty said:
Once lucid becomes more standard, pci lanes will become much more valuable. No more ditching old cards, just moving them down a slot.

Off topic...
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Once it becomes standard? :rolleyes: I'll believe it when I see it. I'd be impressed if it actually worked. I'd be extremely impressed if it gets decent performance. And I'd be completely shocked if 2 5870's connected by the Hydra chip manage to outperform a 5870x2 or a 5870 crossfire setup.
 
smartpatrol said:
Once it becomes standard? :rolleyes: I'll believe it when I see it. I'd be impressed if it actually worked. I'd be extremely impressed if it gets decent performance. And I'd be completely shocked if 2 5870's connected by the Hydra chip manage to outperform a 5870x2 or a 5870 crossfire setup.
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Seeing as neither of us know nothing about it yet, you have nothing to worry about! grats!

I mean, I was speaking hypothetically in my last post, of course, guess it's hard to tell sometimes. The entire point of my post was the whole using your old graphics cards thing.

Chill out.
 
just read the article, and im impressed. whats more amazing is that i might actually be able to run 2 of these things in my system, but i couldnt afford it. i love the idle power draw, my older card just doesnt keep up with that one bit.
 
Smiththers2 said:
just read the article, and im impressed. whats more amazing is that i might actually be able to run 2 of these things in my system, but i couldnt afford it. i love the idle power draw, my older card just doesnt keep up with that one bit.
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I hope you have at least a little oc on that 920 cause you will need it. also what res is that 22inch Acer? even a single 5870 clearly looks like plenty for 1920 with second one almost being crazy but if you have the money and of course the cpu to back that up then why not. at 1680 a single 5870 would be WAY more than enough and again you would certainly need to oc that cpu if you havent.
 
Hmm, these benches are seriously unimpressive. Barely beating a GTX285 in the games I'd like to see more gains. In GTA IV with no AA it's only getting +2FPS over the 285 at 2560x1600.

And I don't see it matching an SLI'd 285? In most of the tests a 285 in SLi configuration kills the 5870 unless 8xAA is used.

Not a fan of the way Toms Hardware tests though so I'll wait to see what other sites say.
 
x3sphere said:
Hmm, these benches are seriously unimpressive. Barely beating a GTX285 in the games I'd like to see more gains. In GTA IV with no AA it's only getting +2FPS over the 285 at 2560x1600.

And I don't see it matching an SLI'd 285? In most of the tests a 285 in SLi configuration kills the 5870 unless 8xAA is used.

Not a fan of the way Toms Hardware tests though so I'll wait to see what other sites say.
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This. I see no reason to upgrade yet. For someone on an older gen card or wanting that extra oomph for newer games, I think its a nice upgrade, but not for users of the GTX series IMHO. I scored 24.6k in Vantage in the 1280x1024 test with two 285s.

http://www.tomshw.it/graphic.php?gu...on-hd-5870-rv870-cypress-ati-amd-directx11-12
 
there has to be a reason for these low numbers, I look forward to the review and comparisons on [H]
 
So I guess the GTX 285's won't drop by at least $50-100 Christmas into Q1 2010?
 
Snewn said:
So I guess the GTX 285's won't drop by at least $50-100 Christmas into Q1 2010?
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they will certainly drop a little but just depends how long it takes Nvidia to get their own new cards out too. after that production will have ended on those cards anyway.
 
I want to see 2 4890s crossfired vs one 5870 :). I have 2 of them, i might wait until a possible x2 5890. 5890 might not come out until the new nvidia card comes out.
 
what case do you have? there is a pic showing the 5850 5870 and 5870x2 running around here somewhere
 
If you like multi-GPU there are better values; HD 4870 Crossfire, GTX 260 Core 216 SLi, HD 4870 X2, and even HD 4890 Crossfire.
 
Wazooty said:
Once lucid becomes more standard, pci lanes will become much more valuable. No more ditching old cards, just moving them down a slot.

Off topic...
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Looks pretty cool. But will it allow me to use the nvidia card as physx while I run the ATI 5870 as graphics? I might get this 2-3 years down the road. But I'm satisfied with my EVGA x58 Classified for now. :)
 
With everyone saying that the 5870x2 might be bottle necked by cpu, should i be at all worried at all about upgrading my 3870x2 with a 1680x1050 coupled with a 3.6ghz q6600?

thinking about dumping my rig at the beginning of the year and rebuilding with a 5870x2 / 5890x2, 12GB triple channel ram, 120GB SSD, 2x 2TB HDD, windows 7, i7 920 / 940, suitable mobo.

does it make sense to do this yet... or should i be waiting another year.

i play my games at max res, max gfx.
 
Apathy said:
With everyone saying that the 5870x2 might be bottle necked by cpu, should i be at all worried at all about upgrading my 3870x2 with a 1680x1050 coupled with a 3.6ghz q6600?

thinking about dumping my rig at the beginning of the year and rebuilding with a 5870x2 / 5890x2, 12GB triple channel ram, 120GB SSD, 2x 2TB HDD, windows 7, i7 920 / 940, suitable mobo.

does it make sense to do this yet... or should i be waiting another year.

i play my games at max res, max gfx.
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at 1680 your cpu will certainly bottleneck the crap out of a 5870x2 compared to having an overclocked i7. thats almost like having 2 4870x2 in crossfire which is beyond ridiculous for that res anyway. I certainly would not get more than one 5870 for 1680 and that will be a massive jump over what you have now. btw you certainly havent been maxing games with that card anyway. I think you need to focus on getting a big boy monitor as 1680x1050 would be quite low for such a high end i7/5870x2 build when you go that route.
 
A 5870x2 for 1680 is about as big of a waste as a 1kw psu for onboard video and dual core cpu.
 
Apathy said:
With everyone saying that the 5870x2 might be bottle necked by cpu, should i be at all worried at all about upgrading my 3870x2 with a 1680x1050 coupled with a 3.6ghz q6600?

thinking about dumping my rig at the beginning of the year and rebuilding with a 5870x2 / 5890x2, 12GB triple channel ram, 120GB SSD, 2x 2TB HDD, windows 7, i7 920 / 940, suitable mobo.

does it make sense to do this yet... or should i be waiting another year.

i play my games at max res, max gfx.
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If it were me, I would hold off on the i7/mobo and buy a 24" and up monitor to go with the ssd and win 7. Then, wait for prices to fall because intel is unloading the big guns next year. If you go higher resolution you will be less cpu bound and 3.6ghz should be fine for now.
 
kadozer said:
If it were me, I would hold off on the i7/mobo and buy a 24" and up monitor to go with the ssd and win 7. Then, wait for prices to fall because intel is unloading the big guns next year. If you go higher resolution you will be less cpu bound and 3.6ghz should be fine for now.
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it would still severely limit the potential of a 5870x2 even at 1920. hardocp had an article with gtx280 in tril sli and even at 2560 the i7 at 3.8 spanked the crap out out of the Core 2 quad and Phenom 2 at 3.8. well his Q6600 is not as fast clock for clock as the newer Core 2 quads so his at 3.6 would be like the newer 9650 at 3.3 or so. then you have to think about the 5870x2 is probably about as fast as 3 gtx280 sli. so I would certainly say at 1920 he would only get about 75% of what the 5870x2 could do in some games and at 1680 it would be even worse. IMO we really need a new cpu scaling article just to see some actual real numbers with the new gen of cards.
 
I got mine boys... Sapphire and ASUS were sold out on newegg but they still had HIS available. Not my first choice, but didn't have much of a choice.
 
Don't worry your cpu at 3.6ghz is fine for now even with 5870x2. Upgrade your monitor first though. You won't notice a major difference in game experience vs i7 unless you play one of those flight simulator games.
 
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