Dell U2410

10e said:
The photo with the uniformity does not usually take into account any viewing angle issues like glow or color/brightness/gamma shift, because if it did, it would be completely wrong and inconsistent. This is the backlight uniformity of the screen, which seems fine to me.

Anyways, the white "mirror glow" is not a big issue, because at least everything outside of black looks perfect wherever you are viewing it from.

Thanks for that Frameless. The sRGB mode is the single most important part of this screen. If other wide gamut screens had usable sRGB modes with decently tracked colors, most of us wide gamut whiners wouldn't have an issue with them.
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I know that uniformity of a screen and white glow are 2 different things, but it seems to me that the white glow of Dell U2410 is actually behaving like there is bleed coming from the sides. This explains why the digitalversus test have the same type of deviation pattern in the uniformity test like my screen.
 
Do u see it only on black backgrounds or even it on regular desktop backgrounds?. Is it possible to tune the brightness and lower the issue. What was the brightness level on the screen on the photo you have posted?. Was it average or above average?.
 
rosh said:
Do u see it only on black backgrounds or even it on regular desktop backgrounds?. Is it possible to tune the brightness and lower the issue. What was the brightness level on the screen on the photo you have posted?. Was it average or above average?.
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I mostly see it only on black backgrounds. White glow is not affected by brightness-setting, but black-point is. Alot. Default brightness is 50, i like it at 40.
 
Is the white glow in the corners affected by the viewing distance? Look at the monitor much further away and see if the glow gets smaller? Normal IPS glow in corners should go away as distance increases because it is viewing angle related fault with this panel technology. If not, then I guess its something else?
 
Looks like the standard backlight bleeding. Probably more evident on some monitors than others but certainly not unique to the U2410. If you watch a lot of movies where stuff is dark, then it might get annoying.

The sRGB mode looks promising but hopefully there are more reviews on the monitor soon.
 
a123456 said:
Looks like the standard backlight bleeding.
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Looks like it, but isn't.

I'd like to see a picture taken from where someone's eyeballs will actually be in the real world. Camera at full arms length and aligned just under the top of the screen.
 
Frameless said:
I know that uniformity of a screen and white glow are 2 different things, but it seems to me that the white glow of Dell U2410 is actually behaving like there is bleed coming from the sides. This explains why the digitalversus test have the same type of deviation pattern in the uniformity test like my screen.
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If it's stationary, it's backlight bleed. If it changes with viewing angle/distance sitting from the screen, it's the white "mirror glow".
 
Through dell.com.my (Malaysia) The U2410 were selling at about USD 450... and I snatched one...
 
10e said:
If it's stationary, it's backlight bleed. If it changes with viewing angle/distance sitting from the screen, it's the white "mirror glow".
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Yeah, i know that... read what im saying. Could it be possible that the digitalversus test is picking up white glow in the uniformity test and not backlight bleed/ uniformity deviations? Like i said, white glow is coming from all sides of the screen when looking straight on, but changes at other angles.
 
If it was measured with a meter that is mounted perpendicularly at each read point, it would not pick up any angular glow. If the measurements were made with a camera taking a single picture, then it would pick up angular glow. Not sure how they measure.
 
sethk said:
If it was measured with a meter that is mounted perpendicularly at each read point, it would not pick up any angular glow. If the measurements were made with a camera taking a single picture, then it would pick up angular glow. Not sure how they measure.
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Usually they pick something like 25points on the screen and measure it.
 
Frameless said:
Yeah, i know that... read what im saying. Could it be possible that the digitalversus test is picking up white glow in the uniformity test and not backlight bleed/ uniformity deviations? Like i said, white glow is coming from all sides of the screen when looking straight on, but changes at other angles.
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White glow doesn't affect bright colors which are used to measure uniformity. Blacks are used in conjunciton with white to measure contrast ratio only. I understand what you're saying, but I don't see the correlation with DV's graph...

sethk said:
If it was measured with a meter that is mounted perpendicularly at each read point, it would not pick up any angular glow. If the measurements were made with a camera taking a single picture, then it would pick up angular glow. Not sure how they measure.
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That's correct. The sides and corners in the uniformity test show darkening, not brightening which would be typical of backlight bleed or white glow.

I don't even know why they include a "contour map". I just look at the colors equalling -5%, 0%, 5%, 10%. I'm not sure what the reference is that they're using for brightness, ie. 140 cdm/2, 150, 120....
 
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Hey guys - Long time reader, 1st time poster.

I received one of these babies in the mail today - I have been wanting to get rid of my old Syncmaster 245B for a very long time, and thus been reading one review after another over the past 2 months in the search of a good quality monitor - And so, I picked up one of these, after reading about it here (amongst other places)

My first impressions after hooking up the u2410 via DVI is probably best described by this smily :confused:

Maybe my expectations were too high - I don't know - Maybe it's me doing something wrong - let me start by saying i'm no expert on monitors, graphics or photography, and a lot of the terms used in this thread are brand new to me.

Anyway, when I first connected the monitor and saw the desktop, I was wondering where all the color had gone - Everything looked kinda dull and sad - I guess that may be a result of me beeing used to looking at a poor quality monitor constantly overwhelming my eyes with color - I'm pretty sure that will adjust itself with time.

Another thing I noticed, was that text and edges of windows or high detail objects in games looked kinda "fuzzy" or "wolly" not really razor sharp, as I would have expected.

All this leads me back to the question I wanted to ask - Is there something I should be doing, when starting to use a monitor of this quality? - Do I want to change some settings either on the monitor or my OS?

I'm running this on win7 64bit - Switched the preset to sRGB (as I read that should produce the best picture) - I loaded the color profile from the CD, after my initial disappointment, in hope that it may change things a bit - It didn't appear to have any impact.

So basically, any tips, info people may have to get me off on a good start with my new monitor would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks in advance

//Steffen :)
 
If you are in sRGB mode, the profile might be for the native color of the monitor, which would net you very dull colors. I would try to nix the profile.

Of if you like over the top colors run in native mode. This is what most of us are trying to avoid, but if you like that sort of thing...
 
Oh boy, talking time over... DECISION TIME....

How to rationalize to the wife/boss...
 
He guys,

I am new here. I have the U2410 now for 3 days and I am very happy with it.
I'm no expert but I think (almost) no backlight bleeding at all.
Very nice colors in sRGB. Looks like I am looking out of a window with high res photo's.
WALL E on 1080p just looked absolutely amazing.
Only negative point so far: the stand is not straight in horizontal position. I think 3mm out of line.

If you want anything, pictures etc. just ask.

Bas
 
BasWill..

Are you a 'gamer'? If yes, what changes to setup have you done to maximize performance for that?

Anyone else?
 
BasWill said:
He guys,

I am new here. I have the U2410 now for 3 days and I am very happy with it.
I'm no expert but I think (almost) no backlight bleeding at all.
Very nice colors in sRGB. Looks like I am looking out of a window with high res photo's.
WALL E on 1080p just looked absolutely amazing.
Only negative point so far: the stand is not straight in horizontal position. I think 3mm out of line.

If you want anything, pictures etc. just ask.

Bas
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Thanks Bas,

Could u please post some clear pics of the screen with plain colors (like white, black, etc..) directly and with angles to see if there is any uniformity/glow issues?.
 
Mine arrived just a few minutes ago. After setting it up, it appears to be very similar to my Dell 2007WFP, which is sitting side by side to it.

I will probably explore the settings - as of now, I am using the Adobe sRGB mode. The colorspace seems to be a tad washed out. Wonder if Windows 7 supports sRGB mode...
 
steffen.sorensen said:
Hey guys - Long time reader, 1st time poster.

I received one of these babies in the mail today - I have been wanting to get rid of my old Syncmaster 245B for a very long time, and thus been reading one review after another over the past 2 months in the search of a good quality monitor - And so, I picked up one of these, after reading about it here (amongst other places)

My first impressions after hooking up the u2410 via DVI is probably best described by this smily :confused:

Maybe my expectations were too high - I don't know - Maybe it's me doing something wrong - let me start by saying i'm no expert on monitors, graphics or photography, and a lot of the terms used in this thread are brand new to me.

Anyway, when I first connected the monitor and saw the desktop, I was wondering where all the color had gone - Everything looked kinda dull and sad - I guess that may be a result of me beeing used to looking at a poor quality monitor constantly overwhelming my eyes with color - I'm pretty sure that will adjust itself with time.

Another thing I noticed, was that text and edges of windows or high detail objects in games looked kinda "fuzzy" or "wolly" not really razor sharp, as I would have expected.

All this leads me back to the question I wanted to ask - Is there something I should be doing, when starting to use a monitor of this quality? - Do I want to change some settings either on the monitor or my OS?

I'm running this on win7 64bit - Switched the preset to sRGB (as I read that should produce the best picture) - I loaded the color profile from the CD, after my initial disappointment, in hope that it may change things a bit - It didn't appear to have any impact.

So basically, any tips, info people may have to get me off on a good start with my new monitor would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks in advance

//Steffen :)
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Don't know about the fuzzy sharpness you are talking about, mine is razor sharp. I do see the grainy and sparkly effect of the monitors coating though.

sRGB is a standard for color temperature, color gamut, greyscale and gamma. Allmost all content is based on the sRGB standard. For most people sRGB will look dull, but it will be correct! Believe me, you don't want to have screen with oversaturated colors and an awfull color hue, like that you find in all the other presets of U2410. I do however agree with you, the sRGB standard does look a little dead. There is an easy way to fix this without fucking up the colors and hue too much. Turn up the digital vibrancy to about 7% in your graphicscard control panel. That will probably satisfy you. ;)
 
Dear Friends,
I take the liberty to address to you as a reader of hardforum but not an expert in display technology. I spend lots of hours in front of a display working mainly in office work. I browse also to the internet and occasionally watching films –I am not a gamer. I use a Samsung 215Tw with S-PVA (1680- 1050) 21in. panel. I would like to upgrade my display. I am not in a hurry, because my panel is satisfactory for what I mainly do (reading and writing in Word) but I thing that a 1920-1200, 24in. modern panel [I prefer 16/10 instead of 16/9 displays] would be more comfortable and give more readable texts.
I am interesting for the Dell U2410 but there is not until now valuable reviews in the net. In Greece, were I live, Dell is cost 549 Euro plus 19% Vat, that is 653 (without delivery cost which is about 30-40 Euro).
I am aware that NEC 2490 is, according to some experts, a better solution, but I must ordered from other countries [Germany, etc] because there is not this model or the NEC 2490 WUXI2 available in Greece, and I am afraid that NEC service in Greece is not as much good as Dell’s [? t] or Samsung’s
A note: With a three year guarantee, I have two times change my 215Tw display bought in September 2007 without delay or troubles. The first time because of a problem with DVI connection (no dvi signal), and the second because of a problem with the stand (no tilt function), but never an issue with the panel (dead pixels, uniformity issues, or anything else). Samsung has great service in Greece and, I think, high end PVA panels.

So my questions:


1. Does the Dell U2410 provide crisp texts without the panel to be extra bright? I hear that this display has a working SRGB mode and according to digital versus review [http://www.digitalversus.com/duels.php?ty=6] –the only valuable until now- has a decent “bargain” between brightness and contrast. Is this enough?

2. Why I should pass from PVA to IPS technology if my main concern is office work? If I am correctly in PVA panels you have more possibilities [please forgive my non technical language] to handle contrast and brightness in order to have a “clean” and crisp text without headaches, as that I v’ learned the HP2475 produced (with the former IPS panel). I understand the near perfect viewing angles and better colors that IPS panels have, but from the other hand, they are more prone to quality problems in relation to the PVA technology –I don’t know why but it seems that it is a fact, see http://forums.anandtech.com/messageview.aspx?catid=31&threadid=2049206.

3. I am thinking, also, the solution of Samsung 275T plus, but unfortunately no reviews. In Greece I could find this display for 905 Euro- and I could take it without delivery cost. So there is Dell U2410, near 690 Euro with delivery cost and Samsung 275T+ at 905 Euro.
Do you have any suggestion?
Thank you in advance and please forgive the length of this post.
 
What is the Dell product number or SKU for the US release? It is currently impossible to find the thing thru the Home or Business sections. Just this magic URL works! ;) I was trying to get my company EPP of a 7% discount on the phone but they couldn't find it on their internal systems and just kept talking about the 2408WFP :( Rep was supposed to call me back after talking to the "new product" people after I gave her the magic URL to prove it exists but nothing yet.

Looking to buy two for my new rig I am building out and had been holding off (still using my trusty old dual 17" Trinitrons) for something newer/better than the Dell 2408WFP or HP LP2475w.

If I can't figure out the 7% soon I may just pull the trigger before the stock vanishes! Looks like free shipping but the 7% would offset my state tax.

Thanks for anything!
 
vanjones said:
What is the Dell product number or SKU for the US release? It is currently impossible to find the thing thru the Home or Business sections. Just this magic URL works! ;) I was trying to get my company EPP of a 7% discount on the phone but they couldn't find it on their internal systems and just kept talking about the 2408WFP :( Rep was supposed to call me back after talking to the "new product" people after I gave her the magic URL to prove it exists but nothing yet.

Looking to buy two for my new rig I am building out and had been holding off (still using my trusty old dual 17" Trinitrons) for something newer/better than the Dell 2408WFP or HP LP2475w.

If I can't figure out the 7% soon I may just pull the trigger before the stock vanishes! Looks like free shipping but the 7% would offset my state tax.

Thanks for anything!
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The only way I could find it without the URL is going to the SB section and then in the upper right, there's a search box and you can search U2410 and it's the 2nd match currently.
 
Thanks for that tip. I had done that earlier but the only thing that came up was an ancient OptiPlex GX1! So the site is apparently being updated as that return was not there this morning.

I did some URL tinkering and came up with a non-obvious way to do what I want (7% EPP discount) that seems like it will work. I will load it up and push it through and I'll see what happens.

Many items on the Dell sites have SKU codes in the URLs, but the U2410 does not (yet). It does have another unique identifier (UID) though that I was able to use. EPP discounts route though a Member Purchase Program storefront like the Home storefront (vs Small/Medium business). I generated a URL from my EPP redirect to another monitor using the non-SKU URL style (which you can select and since you can't select/search the U2410 currently under member Purchase Program or Home). Then I swapped the UID from the Magic URL and voila! A Super Magic URL inclusive of the 7% EPP discount. It's now $557.07 from $599 and retains the free S&H (plus tax).

What the heck, in for two! Order status is "In Production".
 
Still not up at dell.ca :(

I wonder how much they will gouge us for after exchange.
 
Sorry for guys who purchased the LCD y'day

Now its $480 with 20% coupon - ?D1GJGKRQK0NFP

Dell small business

Enjoy
 
Can anyone confirm that the U2410 has the same dirty grainy feeling to the screen as the 2209WA has?
 
kokkin9 said:
If I am correctly in PVA panels you have more possibilities [please forgive my non technical language] to handle contrast and brightness in order to have a “clean” and crisp text without headaches, as that I v’ learned the HP2475 produced (with the former IPS panel).
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IPS has no text issues. I have owned various types of screens and my NEC 2490 has among the best text I have seen. Clean, sharp, easy on the eyes.

I haven't seen the HP2475, but from what I have read, its overpowered red pixels(do to wide gamut??) may have been the culprit. People often reported seeing red edges on their text.

We will need to wait for more reports to find out how text is on the U2410, if it has the same red edge issue, if sRGB mode tames it...

I may get U2410 to go with my NEC 2490 if the sRGB mode proves every bit as good as native sRGB, but I am still a bit dubious on this.
 
Coupon worked this time...weird...

Now, I have to decide....as a gaming monitor...GEEZ....
 
I tried the code and it worked..

Unfortunately I can't use the Dell Preferred Account on the small business side so I still couldn't order..

Now the bar has been set though, nothing less the 20% off will do..
 
20% so soon, didn't really see that coming but should have. Bitter. My order has shipped. I wonder if I can get anything out of Dell, that is a difference of $155.74 for two!
 
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