[H]OT - Two 5lbs Tubs of Optimum Whey Nutrition - $66 shipped

The majority of personal trainers and nutritionists don't have much of a real scientific background, and unfortunately most people who do have the background don't pursue nutrition/health.

I'd say the majority of "BRO-advice" out there to ensure a massive insulin spike post-workout is quite overkill for most people. For one, repeating this type of regimen may eventually engender insulin insensitivity and perhaps even type 2 diabetes in those susceptible (there are quite a few diabetic bodybuilders out there, for reference). Secondly, most people can get an adequate insulin response from whey protein alone (that's right... without ANY carbs).

I'd still use SOME carbs, but almost anyone can get great results without excessive amounts. I use protein and perhaps a small amount of fruit... then a meal of course.

Having some circulating fats in your system during a workout seems to also allow your body to burn more fat overall.
 
It doesn't have any of the cool anabolic additives like my 100% Premium Whey protein has. It definitely helps too. :)

Is it safe... maybe, but the results are there. ;)
 
I usually either do a 3 cups of milk + 3 scoops of OptWhey or 3 GNC AMP EX 60 before or after workout.

But then again my workouts are usually 1-1.5hrs of cardio/bodyweight stuff + 30 min weight lifting.
 
good brand of protien took it a couple times but jus know its only whey concentrate, you need a good blend of different protiens like casien, egg albium, whey isolate ect. i have been taking a brand called nutek pro 5 5 different types of protien worked best for me soo far. i went from 117 lbs to 142. yea i was skinny as hell still skinny now put i put on 25 lbs of muscle. will post pics u guys wanna see haha.
 
alphaqforever247 said:
good brand of protien took it a couple times but jus know its only whey concentrate, you need a good blend of different protiens like casien, egg albium, whey isolate ect. i have been taking a brand called nutek pro 5 5 different types of protien worked best for me soo far. i went from 117 lbs to 142. yea i was skinny as hell still skinny now put i put on 25 lbs of muscle. will post pics u guys wanna see haha.
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I've been slowly working my way (Whey?) through all the flavors of ON protein powders and keeping a log of what's good and what's not... obviously my taste may not be the same as yours, but at least you can get an idea of what someone thought of the flavor of a particular powder.

Is it against the rules to post my list of flavors and my thoughts on them or should I not bother? I haven't finished all their flavors yet, only about 75% of them I'd say.
 
DeadSkull said:
I usually either do a 3 cups of milk + 3 scoops of OptWhey or 3 GNC AMP EX 60 before or after workout.

But then again my workouts are usually 1-1.5hrs of cardio/bodyweight stuff + 30 min weight lifting.
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That's about 90-100g of protein for one meal. Shenanigans or...say a prayer for your liver and kidneys.
 
Better deal = ProteinFactory.com they're doing a 5lb tub for $19.99 and it's Whey Isolate not the Concentrate bullshit which. (Isolate = 150-170 BV vs. Concentrates 100 BV) The reason isolate whey is the best form of bioavalable protein is that it is undenatured unlike other forms of protein you may posses, it's only draw back is that it is very fast acting in that an hour and a half after consumption the amino acid levels in ur blood drop back down. this is why AT NIGHT or between meals you should supplement your protein diet with a casein shake (casein takes up to 7 hours to fully deplete its amino acids from your blood), or milk as it contains 80% casein per gram of protein. The best form of casein protein is Micellar Casein which Protein Factory also sells at discount.

http://proteinfactory.com/shop/product.php?productid=1203&cat=0&page=1

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DeadSkull said:
I usually either do a 3 cups of milk + 3 scoops of OptWhey or 3 GNC AMP EX 60 before or after workout.

But then again my workouts are usually 1-1.5hrs of cardio/bodyweight stuff + 30 min weight lifting.
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thats too much dude
at "best" you are wasting whey, at worse you are doing more harm than good in the long run of your health
 
Archmage said:
The majority of personal trainers and nutritionists don't have much of a real scientific background, and unfortunately most people who do have the background don't pursue nutrition/health.
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People like you make me nuts... You do realize that you're the one giving "BRO-ADVICE" here, right? I mean what the heck, if you ask the question enough times you'll get the answer you want to hear? Making shit up based on what you see and hear from "BRO-ADVICE"..

Where do you think the information that we give out comes from? You think we make it up as we go along? Ya... last time I checked my certs came from people with.. imagine that, real scientific backgrounds. Who woulda thunk it?

There is a simple reason for getting a reasonable amount of simple carbs after an intense workout, it is based on science and it is effective. What I have found is that most people that are not in the field do not understand intensity, have crappy form, do more talking and groaning than they do real work, and, probably, would not need proper post workout nutrition.
 
Darnell said:
That's about 90-100g of protein for one meal. Shenanigans or...say a prayer for your liver and kidneys.
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eon said:
thats too much dude
at "best" you are wasting whey, at worse you are doing more harm than good in the long run of your health
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I havent seen a study where loading up with 80-100g of protein at once is bad, its not like my body is going to process it all right away anyways.


From personal experience as a pre workout drink its very good. If I am planing an especially grueling work out I take one 20-30 min and go beastmode in the gym for 2-3 hours non stop. Cardio, HIT, bodyweight, weights, cardio, bodyweight....yeahhh!
 
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There are plenty of web sites that list your weight x2 as being a very acceptable amount of protein to consume per day so if you weigh 150 then (150x2 = 300 grams of protein per day). My dad is a pharm.D and agrees with these statements.
 
For everyone using supplements such as this powder, or any other type, I recommend taking a Nutrition class offered by a professional Biologist. If you can't afford one or don't have the time, ask the Biologist about Synergism concerning Human Nutrition. If you are near Southeast Michigan I can get you a name and contact info for a great Biologist who I met this summer.
 
Darnell said:
$66 on Whole Foods would be a hotter deal.
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have you tried to keep 1.5g protein per pound or better in your diet? and a lot of people like keeping 2g/lb. at my size that damn near 3lb of chicken breast. I have some issue with that.


not that your not right in that real food should be your first and best source.
 
Valset said:
have you tried to keep 1.5g protein per pound or better in your diet? and a lot of people like keeping 2g/lb. at my size that damn near 3lb of chicken breast. I have some issue with that.


not that your not right in that real food should be your first and best source.
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You have not considered the protein found in other foods such as whole grains, nuts & seeds, and beans & legumes. And on top of that the measurement for daily requirement for protein is 0.8 multiplied by your weight in kg for a reason, to protect your liver, kidneys and pancreas from abuse. Your organs also have to process carbohydrates, fatty acids, and other vitamins and minerals. What if you are over consuming on those as well? Or worse, you are not consuming enough, and have several deficiencies?

Check out World's Healthiest Foods and search the foods on Nutrition Data. WHFoods has huge write ups on every food and essential nutrient listed.
 
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I wouldnt argue that protein supplements are needed and often taken in excess...but eating a nutritionally sound diet built to help you recover from heavy workouts is much easier said than done. not to mention much more costly.

that said...i try to eat as best as possible, but after a real heavy workout, a good protein shake goes a long way in keeping me motivated and conditioned the following day. yes i (and most people who workout and use them) know its not best - but it works and works well.
 
I take one scoop worth of whey protein a day after my runs and get the rest of my need through stupid amounts of food. I work at an awesome restaurant so it helps fund my nutritional needs. Bodybuilders who think they're something take 3-4 scoops/day and a friend of mine actually developed lactose intolerance from taking so much whey protein (granted it wasn't pure isolate, but a product with a blend).
 
All right, laddies, you don't need to take protein supplements but it sure does help. Also, you do not need to take in 2g of protein per pound of bodyweight. You only need 0.8-1g at most. I know a lot of brahs recommend taking in 2g/lb but ask yourself this, was is the extra protein that made them grow or just the extra calories from the protein? Carbs are much cheaper than protein as you know.

Personally I take:

1 scoop for breakfast
1 scoop before working out
2 scoops PWO
 
Well, if you work out 5 days a week and are doing serious HIT then you need more protein + if your eating 5 small meals a day plus taking in protein so that your body stays in constant anabolic state and doesn't slip into catabolic state then all i'm saying is you may want to take in more protein then the average joe with 15+% body fat and little to no muscle who works out 2 days a week and runs and thinks thats real HIT. I"m talking 2hrs a workout here people, and those who say it's not productive past 1hr workout, just take some beta-alanine which reduces lactic acid buildup in ur muscles and you can workout that long as it reduces body toxicity levels. Real body builders know the routine whole foods ftw but you need lotsa powder as well as it digests much faster and is metabolised in real time (whey (isolate in particular)).
 
Oh, and to the guy talking about Medically backed supplements, http://www.8-ballnutrition.com/ My dad knows one of the Pharm.D's who runs 8-ball and 8ball is also a subsidiary of FSI. I highly recommend the Herculin MRF-4, as they're the only company to sell it as it's patented still. The Herculin HPC-3 is nice as it has 30 grams BCAA's per serving which is huge as you all know i'm sure. On a side note if your a student you can access the 40% discount but the prices are still kinda steep...
 
8-ball as in 8 factors that go into myogenic regulation. i.e. MRF-4 is triggering myogenic regulatory factor #4..
 
thisperishedmin said:
...but eating a nutritionally sound diet...is much easier said than done.
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Score another point for the supplement and fad diet companies. This is exactly what they want. They want you to give up and not try, so they can do it for you, at a cost. Like I mentioned in my earlier post, seek out a Nutrition course offered by a Biologist (who has hopefully scored high marks in Anatomy and Physiology). Learn from a professional exactly why these supplements are useless for you (assuming you are a semi healthy and able person). Learn why Whole Foods are preferred and recommended. Learn why you should actually make an effort to balance and schedule your diet.

I apologize if I appear to be standing on a soapbox. But the poster who says he/she consumes 90 - 100g of protein in one meal is just terrifying if he/she isn't trolling. I don't know where he/she got that information, but I would at least hope that the person questioned and investigated it (by consulting professionals, not reading various websites) before actually putting it into practice.
For example, the daily requirement of protein for a 150lb person is ~55g. This person is consuming TWICE that DAILY requirement in ONE MEAL. Sure, you probably aren't getting fat, but what is happening with your organs? Your pancreas has to work overtime to produce the enzymes, your liver has to work overtime to filter out the excess, then my goodness your kidneys... Whatever your kidneys can't process in the first roundabout, the uric acid "leaks" out and there is your gout and arthritis. That's assuming your kidneys are healthy enough to even survive that abuse. Please seek out advice from a professional, for your own sake.
 
1 quart milk
1 cup dry milk powder
2 scoops of protein powder (or equal to about 45 grams of protein)
1/2 cup chocolate ice cream
2 tbsps. natural peanut butter
3 tbsps. corn syrup
2 tbsps. malted milk powder
1 tbsp. flax seed oil
1/2 banana (eat the other half while mixing everything )

Blend and refrigerate.
1 day serving. Courtesy John McCallum.
 
A friend despises most mass market protein shakes b/c he said the fake sugar they use in the powder is toxic. He's one of those pro-organic extremists and said taking such protein supplements is poisoning my body. Thoughts on this?
 
If you want a good whole food meal thats best later on in the day 30-60min after post workout shake, or before bed as its high in casein try this:

Skim Milk 1 cup (8 grams Protein, 11 grams Carbs)
Fat Free Cottage Cheese 1/2-1 cup (14-28 grams Protein, 7-14 grams Carbs)
Go Lean Cereal 1 cup (13 grams Protein, 30 grams Carbs)
 
beowulf7 said:
A friend despises most mass market protein shakes b/c he said the fake sugar they use in the powder is toxic. He's one of those pro-organic extremists and said taking such protein supplements is poisoning my body. Thoughts on this?
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I don't necessarily support extremism, but it sounds like your friend is on the right track. Basically, Jack Lalanne said it best, "If man made it, don't eat it."
 
Yeah, the high fructose syrup. It makes me a little paranoid, but I still take it, along w/ fake sugar like Splenda instead of real sugar. Maybe ignorance is bliss. :eek:
 
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