Judge Orders Microsoft to Stop Selling Word

TGA said:
You guys should read a few of the comments at the bottom of the linked news article. Some of your are jumping to conclusions that don't fit.

The Toronto based company didn't just patent something they were not using. The company actually serviced a lot of big business with it's patented tech.

It appears Microsoft is either going to have to challenge the patent or strike a deal with the Toronto based company to use it's patented tech.
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That's exactly what we're saying, the patent is crap. They've taken a very public and widely used item and trying to collect infringement money off of it. If they were truly after "damages" they'd be going after just about every company out there that uses it, not Microsoft only. That's why I don't support them in this at all.
 
TechieSooner said:
That's exactly what we're saying, the patent is crap. They've taken a very public and widely used item and trying to collect infringement money off of it. If they were truly after "damages" they'd be going after just about every company out there that uses it, not Microsoft only. That's why I don't support them in this at all.
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Give them time. RAMBUS didn't sue everyone on the planet at day one.
 
If the patent actually holds up over the next 2 years, we may see XML go the way of RAMBUS.
 
I think there needs to be special Judges to preside over the tech suits that along with their law degree stuff also hold a BS degree in Computer Science or atleast have to pass a computer competency test
 
GORANKAR said:
If the patent actually holds up over the next 2 years, we may see XML go the way of RAMBUS.
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Pretty much. I'd assume this company makes money off some XML licensing right now. They'll end up killing their own income.
 
So, yet another case of 'patent a broad concept and cash in' going on in the Texas court system? Astounding.

"A document system that eliminates the need for manually embedded formatting codes" sounds more like something from a secretary's wish list than an original idea.
 
ICOM said:
Who cares? I still use Office 2000...because it does the job well enough and I just don't give a fuk.
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If you're using something as old as Office 2000, why not get something like OpenOffice? It supports all the same stuff plus even more modern stuff, plus free.
Office2000 isn't even in Extended support anymore.
 
GORANKAR said:
If the patent actually holds up over the next 2 years, we may see XML go the way of RAMBUS.
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Fine. Then this lamer company will follow it right into the toilet, while Microsoft finds a new and improved way to do the same thing - and still make money.
 
TGA said:
Blah blah blah... It appears Microsoft is either going to have to challenge the patent or strike a deal with the Toronto based company to use it's patented tech.
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Strike a deal = price of word just doubled
 
It seems this isn't about xml but the way msft uses it; which is in a manner for which xml was designed to begin with. It looks as if these guys had a proprietary way to decouple content from layout and xml made if obsolete.

Wtf do these 'tards want us to do, manually enter layout tags like with paperclip on the c64?
 
Monkey34 said:
Fine. Then this lamer company will follow it right into the toilet, while Microsoft finds a new and improved way to do the same thing - and still make money.
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Maybe, but that will not matter to the bozos at the top of that little ant hill company. They stand to get ridiculously wealthy over the next few years if they manage to pull of licensing deals with companies too afraid to fight it. Once they have made their own personal millions they don't care if the bottom drops out of the company. They will take their money elsewhere and repeat the process.

XML is a good standard, I hope that it does not die over this, or spend the next ten years in court. However good it is, it can be replaced.
 
ianken said:
It seems this isn't about xml but the way msft uses it; which is in a manner for which xml was designed to begin with. It looks as if these guys had a proprietary way to decouple content from layout and xml made if obsolete.

Wtf do these 'tards want us to do, manually enter layout tags like with paperclip on the c64?
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No, from reading the article comments, it seems that I4I invented a way of associating layout with XML documents independently of XML tags (e.g. elements and classes).

There's nothing preventing anyone from using XML based on the W3C's recommendations, say with stylesheets. What is in contention is whether MS' implementation infringes on I4I's Word-specific, external data mapping feature dubbed "Custom XML".
 
The-UselessNoob said:
Ummm.. what? Who has been denying that their government is fucked up? has anyone ever actually defended an EU decision?
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Where've you been? The [H] has a few EU trolls. Watch the next EU lawsuit thread. That's when they come out of hiding.
 
Azhar said:
Where've you been? The [H] has a few EU trolls. Watch the next EU lawsuit thread. That's when they come out of hiding.
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Meh, then they are just extremists, most people can agree that the European Union is made up of all the extremists and failures that couldn't make it in the real world.
 
The-UselessNoob said:
Meh, then they are just extremists, most people can agree that the European Union is made up of all the extremists and failures that couldn't make it in the real world.
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While I will agree that the EU's actions against MS lately have been way retarded, I don't really agree with saying half a billlion people are extremists and failures...
 
The-UselessNoob said:
Ummm.. what? Who has been denying that their government is fucked up? has anyone ever actually defended an EU decision?
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Some of their rulings are OK (They actually had a valid reason for fining Intel... While the fine was beyond extreme, the reason was valid and evidence was there).

But for the most part, all the EU does is fine corporations to maintain cash flow.
 
Wow... So when will they be banned from selling the Office suite?
 
TechieSooner said:
Some of their rulings are OK (They actually had a valid reason for fining Intel... While the fine was beyond extreme, the reason was valid and evidence was there).

But for the most part, all the EU does is fine corporations to maintain cash flow.
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Yeah I definitely agree with the Intel ruling. Intel deliberately tried to destroy their competition by threatening OEMs. Microsoft too back when they did that.

But not over a stupid browser that's free and where nobody's keeping you from getting another one.
 
Who here thinks government has everything figured out? And that goverment will solve most of mankind's problems? Raise your hand if you have faith in government.


Anyways, Isn't this just some suit over specific implementation on XML? Not over using XML in general? Should MS get sued because Word can read and open WordPerfect documents? I don't feel like I fully understand the situation. It doesn't sound like we are getting the whole story.
 
They will certainly complain about this, making it to a higher court. Damn I hate software patents, these are again just some stupid "companies" taking patents and then starting suing everybody for the money or maybe selling the patents...
 
This Texas judge did Microsoft a favor. If anyone can afford to play chicken its Microsoft and when it gets close to the deadline and they still haven't settled a higher court is going to come in to mediate this and review the claims and make a judgment in Microsoft's favor. Whereas if this was able to build up steam making it through a couple of higher courts before someone pulled the "no more sell" Microsoft would have buckled under the possibility of a heavy judgment and settled for hundreds of millions ala RIM.
 
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