Don't touch your BFG

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joecuddles said:
So your point is... that they only know it's OC'd if you tell them? OK? What does that have to do with what I said?
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See above. You didn't break your warranty if they can't tell, immoral so what, they'd screw your cat and steal your house if you gave them the chance. Are you going to give me the indicators that can easily identify a modestly overclocked card or what?

*edit: if you say "well the card is dead LOL!!" then you're basically throwing out manufacturing defects and other abnormalities. The only way they could possibly prove that is if they took the card apart and looked at it under an electron microscope which btw are appointment only pieces of equipment even for million dollar a year profit companies.
 
osrk said:
See above. You didn't break your warranty if they can't tell, immoral so what, they'd screw your cat and steal your house if you gave them the chance. Are you going to give me the indicators that can easily identify a modestly overclocked card or what?
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roflllllllll

You're missing the entire point. You did break your warranty even if they can't tell. If you OC it, the warranty is still void, regardless of what you tell them. What you tell them just determines whether or not you are going to get any service. You aren't getting 'punished' for being honest, you're getting punished for breaking your fucking warranty!

I hope this makes sense to you, but something tells me it'll just go right over your head.
 
*Offtopic*

You know what really freaks me out.. the title of this thread.

Don't touch your BFG If BFG stands for what I think it stands for, then I shouldn't do what I think was going to do.
 
joecuddles said:
roflllllllll

You're missing the entire point. You did break your warranty even if they can't tell. If you OC it, the warranty is still void, regardless of what you tell them. What you tell them just determines whether or not you are going to get any service. You aren't getting 'punished' for being honest, you're getting punished for breaking your fucking warranty!

I hope this makes sense to you, but something tells me it'll just go right over your head.
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Boy you're a dense one. You didn't break shit. It's innocent until proven guilty, not guilty until proven inoccent, my point is unless you tell them you OC'ed then they can't declare that you voided your warranty, it's an easy concept I'm sure a 3 year old could get the point of what I'm saying. They are trying to make money in any way, shape, or form.

For all they know his card died because they were cutting corners buying shitty capacitors from a stolen electrolyte formula (see Abit etc) or because nVidia used a shitty substrate that caused thermal cracking. My point is in most businesses they're trying to cut corners and most of the time cutting corners means being "immoral" like not telling them you OC'd your card. In turn they won't tell you that they're exploiting 5 yr olds to solder together their cards and you don't have to tell them that you OC'd your card. You don't even know that OCing killed the card. I'm not going to explain this any further, my time is horrendously more expensive than yours, I can't be bothered by someone who doesn't even answer my original question on how they can actually tell if you OC'ed the card.
 
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osrk said:
Boy you're a dense one. You didn't break shit. It's innocent until proven guilty, not guilty until proven inoccent, my point is unless you tell them you OC'ed then they can't declare that you voided your warranty, it's an easy concept I'm sure a 3 year old could get the point of what I'm saying. They are trying to make money in any way, shape, or form.

For all they know his card died because they were cutting corners buying shitty capacitors from a stolen electrolyte formula (see Abit etc) or because nVidia used a shitty substrate that caused thermal cracking. My point is in most businesses they're trying to cut corners and most of the time cutting corners means being "immoral" like not telling them you OC'd your card. In turn they won't tell you that they're exploiting 5 yr olds to solder together their cards and you don't have to tell them that you OC'd your card. You don't even know that OCing killed the card. I'm not going to explain this any further, my time is horrendously more expensive than yours, I can't be bothered by someone who doesn't even answer my original question on how they can actually tell if you OC'ed the card.
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People in online forums have this hilarious tendency to try to present themselves as some kind of hybrid of Jesus Christ and Buddha, never entertaining even an amoral thought much less such an action. Some people end up trying to put this complex ahead of their own self-interest, some merely try to present themselves as this type of person.

Nobody will lose any sleep over you lying about your video card overclocking habits on a warranty claim. There are far worse things happening every microsecond of every day.
 
osrk said:
Boy you're a dense one. You didn't break shit. It's innocent until proven guilty, not guilty until proven inoccent, my point is unless you tell them you OC'ed then they can't declare that you voided your warranty, it's an easy concept I'm sure a 3 year old could get the point of what I'm saying. They are trying to make money in any way, shape, or form.
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Who said anything about breaking anything? I'm dense? Here's the concept I'm trying to put forth, explained in the easiest possible way I can imagine:

1. Overclocking the card voids the warranty, as per the terms in the agreement.
2. You overclock the card.
3. The warranty is now broken.

Do you agree with that? Yes, of course you do, because only a retard wouldn't. Now what you are hung up on is the fact that they don't know whether or not you overclocked it unless you tell them, and this is entirely true. The point I am making is that you have voided the warranty regardless of what you tell them. Are you able to comprehend this sort of thing? Can your brain wrap itself around the complexities of separating two separate pieces of information? I hope so.

My original point that you responded to was that you are not 'punished' for telling them what you did to the card. You are punished for voiding the warranty in the first place. Wait a minute, what am I even saying? There's no punishment at all. You broke the warranty, thus you don't get any further service. Why is that a punishment? It's not. It isn't even close to a punishment, which is what I was originally saying.

The fact that consumers are so retarded as to actually think that they are 'punished' for telling the truth is just laughable and that's the point I was originally making. You broke your warranty and that's the end of the story.

The real punishment is posting it on [H] and subjecting the rest of us to this worthless drivel.

Crash250f said:
I am going to have to say that joe's original (and only) point did go over his head. :p
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I'll give him the benefit of the doubt, maybe he's a midget? :p
 
Just dont buy BFG. I havent bought a BFG after my 6600GT died and got the RMA refused. Not like they have the best prices anyway.
 
Kowan said:
Actually reading helps formulate a relevant reply.
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I'll take this to mean you didn't try any Sudoku?

My reply was relevant. You're stuck on the fact that that I said 'all these whiners' instead of 'this whiner'. I mean really that's just said. My point stands, try not to get so hung up on syntax or you'll make life a lot harder for yourself than it has to be. I'm sorry that I inadvertently offended the ENTIRE forum with this miscommunication. I can clearly see that many others had a hard time deciphering what I was talking about, and I'm definitely not just dealing with a troll who needs a hobby. Since formulating relevant replies is so very important, please elaborate on how your last two replies have been relevant to the discussion of this thread.

Actually reading anything related to consumers discussing their gross lack of logic is bad for your health. I skimmed for my own safety. I'm very sorry that you can't seem to get past 'all these' instead of 'this', this must be a very hard time for you.

My condolences to your family.
 
You admit to not reading the thread, then imagine the thread is full of whinning replies.

You are called on it and then start personal attacks. You might step back and think about why you are so upset.
 
Kowan said:
You admit to not reading the thread, then imagine the thread is full of whinning replies.

You are called on it and then start personal attacks. You might step back and think about why you are so upset.
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Hahaha @ imagining the thread is full of whining replies. Honestly if I say one sentence and you assume I'm off in a wild imaginary world of my own where I think the thread is full of whining replies, then I don't even know what to say about that. I'd have to say you're the one with the imagination in this case.

To be honest I thought I had read that someone else was condoning the OPs post, thus the plural whiners was used. I had misread it (because I skimmed for my own health) and here you are still posting about it 3 pages later, haha.

I don't recall any personal attacks, and I'm not sure what would make you think I'm upset. I'm testing out the wired 360 controller I bought for my PC on Prototype, so I'm actually having a pretty nice time right now. And I'm about to eat some KFC, so... hard to be upset at the moment if you're me.
 
joecuddles said:
To be honest I thought I had read that someone else was condoning the OPs post, thus the plural whiners was used. I had misread it (because I skimmed for my own health)
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Funny you think I'm the one with imagination.
 
joecuddles/kowan...you two get a room and stop crapping up this thread.
 
Yessir sir.

Kowan by the way I didn't call you names in that post up there, I called the OP names D:

I wvu.
 
lol @ this thread (yes I read all 3 pages)

lol @ normal ami-consumer bitching "OH SOMETHING SOMETHING BROKE MY ASS IS NOT BEING KISSED I AM THE VICTIM" (is it ever any other way?)
 
Where, before your quoted reply, did the OP reference OCing the card?

Maybe I'm missing something here. Quite possible. But I do not see anything - at this point in the thread - to back your statement up. If I am wrong, then I will sincerely, humbly apologize for misreading the previous posts prior to yours.

joecuddles said:
What a horrible thread. 3-4 year old card, replaced stock HSF, OC'd and admitted to it, lol. You shouldn't have to read the fine print, it should be common sense.

Silly consumers and their silly complaints.
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Funny how everyone's just telling the OP to buy another card cuz the 7900 is worthless. What's the point of having lifetime warranty (this is just regarding that, not the o/c the OP did) then? And so what if the card isn't worth what it used to be? Worthwhile or worthless, hardware that is under "lifetime warranty" have every entitlement to it. It's like saying, damn your house 1000 years old, buy another (bad analogy but get the point).
 
Did you even read BFG's "Lifetime warranty" terms? It pertains not to your lifetime, but the marketable lifetime of the video cards, which it has clearly been passed.
 
Wow this thread really devolved. Some people seem to think I'm some kind of brainless idiot. A few others actually get the point of the thread and agree that further money should be spent with companies that have better warranties. I really didn't think I was Whining at all. Just trying to educate people that some lifetime warranties are better than others.

I have violated many warranties in my lifetime. I mistakenly thought BFG's warranty was on par with EVGA's. Now I know the difference and am trying to see to it that a few more people don't make my mistake.
 
Syntax Error said:
Did you even read BFG's "Lifetime warranty" terms? It pertains not to your lifetime, but the marketable lifetime of the video cards, which it has clearly been passed.
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Sad but its true. Even EVGA has same warranty.
There are no lifetime warranty. Its life of your card.
 
AceGoober said:
Where, before your quoted reply, did the OP reference OCing the card?

Maybe I'm missing something here. Quite possible. But I do not see anything - at this point in the thread - to back your statement up. If I am wrong, then I will sincerely, humbly apologize for misreading the previous posts prior to yours.
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12 Axes said:
If you attempt to overclock your already overclocked card you will void your warranty. Also if you remove the stock cooler to put a different cooler on, say like a waterblock that some of thier cards come equiped with, you also void your warranty.
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I assume this to mean (like others) that this is what he did.

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12 Axes said:
No part of the card was damaged by replacing the heatsink. I didn't do any volt mods or any such thing to alter the card. I merely moved the slider in the included overclock utility.
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Apology accepted.
 
Would be nice to see BFG step up their game and become "modder" friendly. After all it's not the average Joe buying their products, I think my next GPU purchase if Nvidia will be eVGA/XFX

OP: Sorry to here what happened and I know regardless how old the card is, for BFG to deny your warranty must really suck I know you must really feel burnt, but as you know a valuable lesson has been learned; whether it was to tell them it was never modded or never to buy BFG again....
 
Syntax Error said:
Did you even read BFG's "Lifetime warranty" terms? It pertains not to your lifetime, but the marketable lifetime of the video cards, which it has clearly been passed.
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what ? BFG has alwasy had a real lifetime warranty unles it just recently changed. LIke i said earlier I rma'd a card well past its product lifetime without issue.

from there site
http://bfgtech.com/warranty.aspx

"BFG Technologies warrants to the original purchaser of the graphics card included in this package ("Product") that the Product will be free from defects in material or workmanship for as long as the original purchaser (residing in the United States or Canada) owns the product, "

dont make comments that arnt true BFG still has a lifetime warranty for the owner of the card. You just have to register now. All one has to do is read the forums here to see how many peeople abuse the generous RMA's that BFG, EVGA etc have been giving its no wonder they have had to get stricter with them.
 
I put a supercharger on my $40,000 car, along with re-programming the ECU. When it started acting funny and I took it back they told me they wouldn't cover it under warranty!!! This is ridiculous. I bought an American car from an American company and they wouldn't honor my modifications.

What is this world coming to!?

*rollseyes*
 
I don't get it. If you sent them your card with the original bios on it and the stock cooler there shouldn't have been any issue. Now if you sent it to them without a cooler or a third party cooler and blown up bios I can see where they would say youve "voided" your warranty.

When I last RMA'd a EVGA card they actually asked me to do so. Return the card in the same form you it in and they'll be happy to look at it. Though with Evga they will usually overlook bios funkiness.

What did they say you specifically did to void your warranty?
 
12 Axes said:
I bought a card three years ago that had a "lifetime" warranty. I admitted I didn't read the fine print. Just trying to put the word out. If a warranty factors into your buying decision at all don't be fooled by BFG's "lifetime" warranty.

I don't believe I should be forced to decieve the company to get them to warranty the card. No part of the card was damaged by replacing the heatsink. I didn't do any volt mods or any such thing to alter the card. I merely moved the slider in the included overclock utility. I've never heard of that causing any permanent damage all by its self.
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Can you put the stock cooler back on?
 
joecuddles said:
Obvious troll is obvious.
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Ignorant troll is ignorant.

America = entire continent. When someone is talking about American support, it generally means they're happy to get someone who fluently speaks the English they are familiar with and the call center hasn't outsourced to India.

per the OP's comment:
"That's not even taking into consideration when I call them I get to talk to an English speaking American that doesn't have to look at a cue card to answer my questions."

is pretty obvious that he wouldn't care if their call center was "based in Canada". And to point out the rest of your sentence - just because they speak "English" doesn't mean a damn thing. The Indian call centers speak English too, in case you.. um thought otherwise.
 
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Oh4Sh0 said:
Ignorant troll is ignorant.

America = entire continent. When someone is talking about American support, it generally means they're happy to get someone who fluently speaks the English they are familiar with and the call center hasn't outsourced to India.
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I'm sorry did you just actually say America = entire continent? lol, really? America is actually a country, in case you were unaware. North America is a continent.

Really that's too funny that you think that, haha.

Oh4Sh0 said:
is pretty obvious that he wouldn't care if their call center was "based in Canada". And to point out the rest of your sentence - just because they speak "English" doesn't mean a damn thing. The Indian call centers speak English too, in case you.. um thought otherwise.
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There's a difference between speaking English and being English speaking. His point was simply to say that they speak fluent, proper and legible English. The way he said it just rubbed me wrong because not everything English is automatically American. He didn't mean to do it on purpose, but there are plenty of ignorant Americans out there who would say such a thing in a backhand way, which I don't appreciate (being part of English speaking North America and having worked in call centers before).

I'm still lol'ing at America = entire continent. Too funny.
 
joecuddles said:
I'm sorry did you just actually say America = entire continent? lol, really? America is actually a country, in case you were unaware. North America is a continent.

Really that's too funny that you think that, haha.
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It's actually funny/sad that you think that. I will maintain that properly speaking America is not a "country". The country is called The United States of America, and should be referred to as the "U.S." or the "U.S. of A." or the "U.S.A.", I will acknowledge that some ignorant people might refer to the United States as simply "America", but the proper definition is "The landmasses and islands of North America, Central America, and South America."

According to the dictionary the following are definitions of American:
A⋅mer⋅i⋅can
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Use American in a Sentence
–adjective
1. of or pertaining to the United States of America or its inhabitants: an American citizen.
2. of or pertaining to North or South America; of the Western Hemisphere: the American continents.
3. of or pertaining to the aboriginal Indians of North and South America, usually excluding the Eskimos, regarded as being of Asian ancestry and marked generally by reddish to brownish skin, black hair, dark eyes, and prominent cheekbones.
–noun
4. a citizen of the United States of America.
5. a native or inhabitant of the Western Hemisphere.
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joecuddles said:
There's a difference between speaking English and being English speaking. His point was simply to say that they speak fluent, proper and legible English. The way he said it just rubbed me wrong because not everything English is automatically American. He didn't mean to do it on purpose, but there are plenty of ignorant Americans out there who would say such a thing in a backhand way, which I don't appreciate (being part of English speaking North America and having worked in call centers before).

I'm still lol'ing at America = entire continent. Too funny.
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There are variations of "Fluent, proper, and legible English". The European "English" is considerably different than American English. So saying American English effectively includes "Canadian English", as Canada is part of America(n) (and I can't say I've ever heard anyone use the term "Canadian English"). While I agree he could've simply said "Good English", I don't think it was something that you needed to be a dick about and go into a paragraph about to quibble over.

Really the point was -- as you even pointed out you were "rubbed the wrong way" and decided to troll the OP's statement, and I just simply pointed out the fact that how he worded it was fine and inclusive of your "Canada" -- nothing for you to complain about in the first place.
 
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CanadaOwnsJoo said:
The rest of the world refers to that as the Bush effect :)
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Actually, it should be the other way around. If you simply think that America = the United States, you would be seeming implying that the United States is the only country that is a part of the Americas that matters and is important by referring to it as the whole of the three Americas.
 
I think this thread has gone off-topic enough. The soap box is this way.
 
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