Contract up... time for new phones

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Our two-year contract with ATT is finally up and we can get new phones. Two years ago when we signed up, I wanted something I could sync my Outlook to and went with a Samsung Blackjack (3 months before the Blackjack II came out) and have regretted it since. My wife got the V3 RAZR which she is no longer happy with due to call quality (she can hear fine, but she sounds like she is breaking up about half the time).

My job finally decided that they would reimburse me for a phone that I use for business, to the tune of a flat $75/month. Considering 80% of my phone calls are business related and they really want me to have access to email at all times... that means I still need a smartphone.

Right now we only pay $70/month for both phones (no data, no text, 700 shared minutes). Our choices are ATT or Verizon (Sprint reception at home is ziltch) because I get corporate discounts with those companies. With my reimbursement, it should cover a data plan and text, with a little left over for minutes (even with business calls I only use about 10-15% of the monthly minutes, my wife uses about 70%, and the rest go to roll-over).

I'm leaning towards an I-Phone since my options are basically I-Phone or Blackberry. I need something that gets email, qwerty keyboard (touch or physical), has GPS navigation, Wi-fi, and hands-free dialing (something the Blackjack lacks and I've been missing for 2 years). I noticed that the I-Phone isn't listed as a ATT Navigator phone, so I guess I would have to purchase a GPS software for that in addition to the phone :mad: Being able to listen to audiobooks/podcasts/music while commuting with the device would also be very handy (1 to 1-1/2 hour commute each way), but I do have a Zune that can handle those needs... just means an extra device to take with me in the car. I am a little dissappointed in the stories of battery life for the I-Phone, but after talking to fellow workers with Blackberries they don't seem to do any better. I'm just used to going 3-4 days between charges on my Blackjack.

My wife has no idea what she wants, except a phone with excellent "phone" capabilities. She is tired of me making her repeat things 2-3 times ;) I'm thinking about paying the $5 for 200 texts just because we are tired of telling people over and over not to text us :mad: If she decides she wants texting, I'm pretty sure she will want a qwerty keyboard... but hey I may be wrong. She won't use a data plan or anything like that so we can keep the costs down... otherwise I would just pick up the older I-Phone 3G for her and be done with it but my understanding is that ATT requires a data plan with any I-Phone.

I know that was long, but any advice from fellow ATT users would be helpful. I think the Wi-fi feature will keep me from Verizon, since they seem to be lacking in any Wi-fi capable phones. I guess my wife's phone will be the harder choice between the two :rolleyes:
 
Go with the iPhone for sure. I got the new 3 gs and it is the most amazing phone ever. I actually posting this from it now. Battery life is fine for me (3gs has a better battery then The two older ones). Just get a car charger and you should be fine.

Gps software does cost extra the AT&T app is free but AT&T charges 10 bucks a month for their gps service. Tomtom is coming out with an app that will cost 99 dollars but there will be no monthly fee and it looks a lot better then the AT&T navigation

And yes AT&T does require a data plan for all iPhones.
 
well, if you want to try windows mobile again, theres the Samsung Epix and Samsung Jack....

i have the HTC Touch Pro (aka AT&T Fuze), and it's only good if you have like a whole week to flash another ROM and customize it to your needs(i didn't get data, able to toggle off data, 3G, wifi, GPS, got Navigon GPS on my Touch Pro)...

if you don't have time, iPhone is the way to go...

Navigon just released its USA iphone version of it's app, and it's quite good IMO(reality mode, TTS, Lane Assistant), similar to the WinMo version, but more well polished... only $70 now until aug 15...

not much multitasking on the iphone though
 
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letstalk.com has some pretty good deals.

Picked up a LG Incite there for basically free (99cents) with contract renewal about a week and a half ago. It's a pretty fun little phone. 3" touchscreen, WiFi, hardware GPS (can load Garmin software for example), new standard microUSB data/charging port, WinMo so lots of customization options, lg-incite.com forums have lots of tips and tweaks and software recommendations.

And best of all, no data plan required.
 
Honestly, after my experience with Windows Mobile on my Blackjack.... I would prefer to stay far, far away ;) I went by the ATT store today just to look and of course no demo model of the iPhone to play with :mad: Guess I will have to try another store, since I don't want to buy a phone without getting a feel for it first. Especially when it comes ot the touchscreen usage....

As for the lack of multitasking, just as long as I can be listening to music/podcasts/using the GPS/etc. and when a call comes in it pauses, lets me take the call, and then resumes what it was doing I will be okay. I would hate to get a call and then have to fiddle with the thing to get back to my GPS navigation or my audiobook.

Of course there is also the option of waiting to see if the Storm 2 is released on Verizon. I know a couple people that like their Storm and if the new version has Wi-fi it would be a competitor for my usage needs I think.... maybe.
 
i upgraded from a Blackjack (first gen, like you) to the iPhone 3GS a couple weeks ago and i really like it. i didn't use the Blackjack for business and i don't use my iPhone in that manner...but it seems it would work just fine. Windows mobile is a bit cumbersome to work around in for everyday use. my Blackjack was also a little glitchy - every now and then it would stop receiving calls and messages until i power cycled the phone. So far i haven't had any annoyances like that with the iPhone. one gripe i have is that there is no character counter for text messages...so you have no idea if you're approaching the 160 character limit. i prefer to keep it under 160 and not have my message broken up into two messages. i had to run a test message and type out 160 characters to see exactly how many lines it fills. so now when i text i know i have to keep it to about 3 1/2 lines (landscape). it's pretty annoying, but something i can put up with.

if push email is important to you then make sure the iPhone will work. it will only push certain email accounts...MS exchange, yahoo, gmail, and another one or two i don't remember right now. if the iPhone wont jive well with your work email you might want to look into a Blackberry. the BB Bold is a very nice phone as well.
 
Yeah, the iPhone is supported by our corporate email system. A couple people in the office have one and recieve their Outlook email.

What about voice-dialing. I'm reading various reports on the web that the 3GS supports voice command, but doesn't support full voice dialing via bluetooth. That doesn't make any sense to me since I had an old phone 4-5 years ago that supported Bluetooth dialing with the press of a button on the headset (press button...speak name...dialing). That is a feature I've been living without for 2 years that I insist on getting back. Too much commuting to not have this feature.

I've looked at the Bold and I'm still tempted, but at the same time I would really like a phoen that could also work as a portable media player in a pinch, like when I'm waiting for my tires or oil to be changed or I get called in during the middle of the night to troubleshoot an issue at the office and forget my Zune (since I'm probably half asleep still when I leave the house).
 
I believe voice dialing over bluetooth is coming out in the next iPhone update (3.1) which should be out very soon.
 
How in the heck can any phone be released without BT voice-dialing when this feature has been around for years. Yeah, I may have had to "pre-record" the names of my contacts, but it worked flawlessly for me on an old Samsung phone from Sprint 4 years ago.

It's like that feature came out, was popular for about 10 minutes and then forgotten about. I don't understand how it didn't become a "required" feature for all phones to begin with :confused:

Well, crap. After having some friends over last night it looks like I am firmly stuck with AT&T as their Verizon phones had as crappy reception as my in-laws Sprint phones. After talking to some neighbors that also have Verizon, they also have to stand out in the street to talk. Considering it is Houston, in the summer, I'm not standing outside in 95+ degree weather just to talk on my phone :mad: So, that puts me back into the choice of an iPhone or a Blackberry since corporate doesn't support any other smart phones on AT&T to use corporate email.
 
How in the heck can any phone be released without BT voice-dialing when this feature has been around for years. Yeah, I may have had to "pre-record" the names of my contacts, but it worked flawlessly for me on an old Samsung phone from Sprint 4 years ago.

It's like that feature came out, was popular for about 10 minutes and then forgotten about. I don't understand how it didn't become a "required" feature for all phones to begin with :confused:

Well, crap. After having some friends over last night it looks like I am firmly stuck with AT&T as their Verizon phones had as crappy reception as my in-laws Sprint phones. After talking to some neighbors that also have Verizon, they also have to stand out in the street to talk. Considering it is Houston, in the summer, I'm not standing outside in 95+ degree weather just to talk on my phone :mad: So, that puts me back into the choice of an iPhone or a Blackberry since corporate doesn't support any other smart phones on AT&T to use corporate email.

ask Apple... MMS, video recording, voice command came out in third edition of their phone
 
First of all, just curious, dont VZ and sprint let each other roam on their towers for free? I dont understand how VZ could have great service and Sprint not, Aside from that I would probably recommend the 3GS for you, for your wife, not to sure, someone mentioned the epix, it has really really good battery life, and a fast processor, but if you want to stay away from WinMo maybe just a sturdy dumbphone for the wife.


Also another note, people keep talking about how the battery life is better on the 3GS, but to me, IMHO, it seems like marketing, or they just got more efficient with wifi battery drain, you will notice the 3GS is still rated at 5 hours 3g talk time, just like the previous 3g.... So I dont really know whats going on there, my guess is if your using 3g data, both devices will offer about the same battery life.
 
No, both Sprint and Verizon coverage suck balls at my house. AT&T did too when we first moved in about 2 years ago, then one morning they must have brought a new tower online or something because we went from 0 bars to 3-4 bars sitting in the living room. There's only 2-3 neighbors that also have AT&T and we are only ones not standing outside trying to talk on the phone :p

Yeah, I think I'm pretty locked into the iPhone right now. The Bold is nice, but considering it costs the same as the 16GB iPhone I just don't see the benefit.

As for the Epix, I think it is going to be too pricey for her. She never wants to spend more than $100 on a phone "that I just talk on". We will just have to go into the store and look around...
 
No, both Sprint and Verizon coverage suck balls at my house. AT&T did too when we first moved in about 2 years ago, then one morning they must have brought a new tower online or something because we went from 0 bars to 3-4 bars sitting in the living room. There's only 2-3 neighbors that also have AT&T and we are only ones not standing outside trying to talk on the phone :p

Yeah, I think I'm pretty locked into the iPhone right now. The Bold is nice, but considering it costs the same as the 16GB iPhone I just don't see the benefit.

As for the Epix, I think it is going to be too pricey for her. She never wants to spend more than $100 on a phone "that I just talk on". We will just have to go into the store and look around...

go to the at&t online store, letstalk.com, at&t in store, best buy instore

last i upgraded, at&t wanted $200 - $50 data plan rebate for my BJ II... BestBuy wanted $75... think my friend recently upgraded to the Jack for $100, no data plan at fry's?... he lives in the west coast, called me for my opinion about Epix vs E71x vs Jack
 
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Well, I took my wife to the store today and took a look at the phones. She seemed to like the Fuze a lot. She decided that having Wi-fi would be nice, as long as it has a slide-out keyboard. She wasn't a fan of the touch-screen qwerty boards and decided that she didn't really like the "PDA" style of phones. So, unless there is a better option it looks like the Fuze may be her "phone of choice" (though I'm not looking forward to customizing it).
 
If you do decide to get the fuze then I strongly suggest you begin tweaking with new ROMS to get the ATT bloatware off, it really slows down the phone out of the box.
 
I can grab the Fuze from BestBuy for $99.99 with a contract renewal. iPhone seems to be the same price no matter where I go, so it looks like BestBuy is my better option at the moment. Still need to hit up Fry's (just down the street from my work) to compare.

I'll take a look at the xda site. I'm not afraid to do the customization, but as most people know when you are customizing for someone else it can become a headache rather quickly... and my wife isn't as technically inclined when it comes to gadgets ;)

Hmm, guess I just need to go into BestBuy. If I tell the website I want to upgrade, it shows as $100, but when I select our family plan instead of the single owner, it jumps to $249 per phone!!!
 
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One more quick question...

Is it usually possible to cancel a data plan (for the Fuze, not the iPhone) and put a data block on the phones? My wife doesn't want to pay for a data plan (or else she would get the older iPhone 3g) and wants to make sure that she doesn't accidentally use the 3g network for data when she thinks she is using Wi-Fi.
 
Go for the Fuze, IMO. I have a Sprint Diamond (same phone as the Touch Pro/Fuze with no hardware keyboard) and they are just about unrivaled when fully customized.

Also... you can toggle data on the Fuze. The nice thing about HTC phones is they are generally very option-oriented.
 
One more quick question...

Is it usually possible to cancel a data plan (for the Fuze, not the iPhone) and put a data block on the phones? My wife doesn't want to pay for a data plan (or else she would get the older iPhone 3g) and wants to make sure that she doesn't accidentally use the 3g network for data when she thinks she is using Wi-Fi.

yep... i turned data connection off on mine... unless BestBuy's upgrade requires you to stay on data (for AT&T online or instore, they have a $50 rebate that forces you to maintain data until the rebate comes back in a few months... removing the data would cancel the rebate)

keep it on 3G though... through my testing, it looks like 3G on idle Fuze takes less power... and 3G + voice should give better quality
 
Hmm, well that isn't looking like much of an option now. I've tried about 8 different BestBuy stores around my work and my home (South Houston and North Houston respectively) and all the stores are apparently OOS. The ATT store wants $250 with a contract extension, which is outrageous. The problem now is that I need a store that sells both the Fuze as well as the iPhone since we have a family plan and I would need to purchase both phones at the same time with an extension to our current plan + iPhone data :rolleyes:
 
Why do you need to purchase them at the same time?

Hmm, maybe I don't. I just assumed that since it was a single contract (family plan) for both phones I would need to purchase both when I extended the plan. If they were seperate plans it wouldn't be as big of a hassle.

If I go to the store and pick up the iPhone and sign up for a 2-year extension on my current FamilyPlan, can I go to a different store (or even the same one) 2 months later and pick up a second phone and get the discount for the 2-year extension? That doesn't make sense to me.
 
Almost positive you can. We have 5 phones on our family plan and the upgrades are all spaced out a few weeks apart. The only thing that will be differnt is next time you want to upgrade you wont both be eligible at the same time. The one line will have to wait two months longer.
 
Hmm, maybe I don't. I just assumed that since it was a single contract (family plan) for both phones I would need to purchase both when I extended the plan. If they were seperate plans it wouldn't be as big of a hassle.

If I go to the store and pick up the iPhone and sign up for a 2-year extension on my current FamilyPlan, can I go to a different store (or even the same one) 2 months later and pick up a second phone and get the discount for the 2-year extension? That doesn't make sense to me.

each phone line has it's 'contract' ... i renewed my portion of a family plan(2 lines total) july last year, while my sister renewed hers november last year... each of us will be eligible 2 years from our respective renewal date...when you renew each phone @ bestbuy, BB will print the corresponding contract, info(minutes, text plan, contract info), price... my 'contract' was $59.99 because i was the main line, my sister's 'contract' was $9.99

though i'm not sure how the ETF would apply(or not apply if i want to switch providers)... i guess the ETF would be gone once my sister fulfills her contract...


try to get BB to hold a Fuze for you and call you when they arrive... shouldn't be too long, seeing that the TP2 isn't out for ATT, so there's no reason to clear TP1 stock
 
Cool. I finally found a BB that has 2 in stock, so I will probably run up there tonight and see if I can upgrade my wife's phone. Unfortunately, that store doesn't carry the Black iPhone (don't want a white one), so I'll have to pick that up somewhere else as long as I can upgrade each line seperately....
 
each phone line has it's 'contract' ... i renewed my portion of a family plan(2 lines total) july last year, while my sister renewed hers november last year... each of us will be eligible 2 years from our respective renewal date...when you renew each phone @ bestbuy, BB will print the corresponding contract, info(minutes, text plan, contract info), price... my 'contract' was $59.99 because i was the main line, my sister's 'contract' was $9.99

though i'm not sure how the ETF would apply(or not apply if i want to switch providers)... i guess the ETF would be gone once my sister fulfills her contract...


try to get BB to hold a Fuze for you and call you when they arrive... shouldn't be too long, seeing that the TP2 isn't out for ATT, so there's no reason to clear TP1 stock
Do you know if you need to renew both lines at the same store? My parents renewed their phones at Sam's Club but Sam's doesn't have any phones I want. Could I go to Best Buy instead? Or am I just SOL?
 
I dont see why it would matter if you upgraded at a differn't store. Should be no problem.
 
Do you know if you need to renew both lines at the same store? My parents renewed their phones at Sam's Club but Sam's doesn't have any phones I want. Could I go to Best Buy instead? Or am I just SOL?

you just have to make sure the account holder (or authorized user with billing access) is with you @ BestBuy, and that the line is good for upgrades (check att online)... you pick the phone, tell/listen to the BB rep, verify the line (ID of the account holder, and the password you use to access wireless.att.com), sign the contract (you get a copy), and off you go (well, you still have to show the receipt at the BB exit, but the phone's yours :p)
 
yep, worked just like paperwastage said :)

I found one BB that had the Fuze in stock, so I went there first. Had to argue with them a little because their computers showed $199 for the Fuze when upgrading, but I pointed out the deal on the website. Had to get a "manager" over there and argued for awhile more, but the finally decided to price match their own website so I got to walk out the door with the phone for $100 + tax. While there, before the arguements began, I asked about the iPhone and the sales rep looked up the nearest store that had it in stock, so I drove to that store and picked up the black 16 GB.

Thanks for all the help on this. Now I'll have to hit up XDA to figure out all the tweaks for my wife's phone. I turned on Wi-Fi for her and turned off the Data connection for now. Not sure if I should still ATT and put a data block on the phone though. I need to call them and add 200 texts to her plan anyways, so I could do that while I am already talking to a rep...
 
yep, worked just like paperwastage said :)

I found one BB that had the Fuze in stock, so I went there first. Had to argue with them a little because their computers showed $199 for the Fuze when upgrading, but I pointed out the deal on the website. Had to get a "manager" over there and argued for awhile more, but the finally decided to price match their own website so I got to walk out the door with the phone for $100 + tax. While there, before the arguements began, I asked about the iPhone and the sales rep looked up the nearest store that had it in stock, so I drove to that store and picked up the black 16 GB.

Thanks for all the help on this. Now I'll have to hit up XDA to figure out all the tweaks for my wife's phone. I turned on Wi-Fi for her and turned off the Data connection for now. Not sure if I should still ATT and put a data block on the phone though. I need to call them and add 200 texts to her plan anyways, so I could do that while I am already talking to a rep...

data block on AT&T is called a WIX block in their system, but this kills MMS as well...

i heard somewhere that the Modaco NoData cab doesn't work 100% in blocking all data... up to you to monitor and make sure no data is being used... i don't care about MMS, so i got the data block

technically BestBuy.com != BestBuy B&M store, so they don't really have to pricematch if they don't want to, but they usually do
 
I'll probably set up the WIX block just to be on the safe side. My wife isn't interested in MMS (she wasn't even sure she wanted text to begin with, but considering we end up paying almost $2 a month on texts that people send her anyways... knowing we are paying $5 ahead of time works better).

As for the pricematch, I figured there would be issues and was prepared to leave without the phone. She doesn't understand why they wouldn't match their own site even though I've explained that Bestbuy treats in-store and website as basically two different business identities. I had to argue with them, but usually keeping a civil tone and not being rude helps out in the long run, which seems to have been the case this time :)
 
congrats on the new iPhone. good job holding out until you found a black one too. black looks so much better than white IMO.

couple of apps worth mentioning:
AroundMe - locates bars, restaurants, etc. in the general area of wherever you are
Fandoango - movie times, purchase tickets
iTV - tv listings
BillMinder - alerts you of upcoming bills (with push notification)
Pandora - stream customized radio stations
Shazam - id song playing on the radio, etc.
TrackerLite - track packages
ATT myWireless - check balance, pay bill, etc.
 
Thanks, I'll have to check those apps out. Right now I still have to decide on a few accessories. Picked up a DLO hip holster, car charger, and an Invisible Shield while at Best Buy, but I think I will return them and save $30+ by ordering from Amazon.
 
Yeah its pretty much never a good idea to buy iPhone accessories in store. Few more apps to check out

MLB: At bat 2009 is a must if you are a baseball fan
Facebook if you use it
IM+ - Get on you're AIM, MSN IM and other Instant messaging services
Skype - VOIP
Trapster - Cool little app that uses the GPS in you're phone to let you know where red light camera's are and where cops usually hang out while you are driving. It alerts you as you drive up to them.

Games:

Globall, peggle and bejeweled 2 are my favorites but there are a lot of good ones out there.
 
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