EU 2690wuxi multisync questions

domis

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Hi everybody, i need some help here!

After some intense searching after the 2690wuxi in Norway, i found one, the last one in stock actually! The display is bundled with a monitor hood and a calibrator.

Now, im confused about some things and hope for the answer here.

1) I know that wuxi2 is soon to be aviable, but after some reviews on this forum among others i think the 'old' version is close to be just as good. Agree/disagree?

2) The display is bundled with a calibrator, is that the spectraview by any chance?
if not, have you guys/girls any clue which one it is and is it good?

3) I can also buy the spectraview but its way over my budget.
If i cant calibrate the display with the spectraview2 software, is the monitor worth the buy, or will the included calibrator hardware tweak it up close to spectraviews standard?

4) Some say the 24 inch is mutch sharper and better than the 26 incher, is this true? I could only find the 26 inch, so if the difference is big i will cancel my order.

5) I've read some awesome reviews of the wuxi and have put in my order based on that.
I know almost all of those monitors were calibrated by the spectraview2 software, and my eu mutisync is just a bad version of the screen they reviewd. (sorry for bad english.)

Should i still go for the deal, or go for another screen..

I will use the screen for graphic design (for print and web use), retouching and some hobby gaming on the side. The display will be used on a PC, but also on a macbookpro if that cna be done.

I want to point out that i have read the whole 2690wuxi full story thread, excellent read (but still confused)!
 
1.The old version is better then the new you can be sure about that.Actually you should be happy finding the old model.

2.If the monitor name is like 2690wuxi-BK-SV then its spectraview,also based
on the hood and calibrator its spectraview model no doubt.

3.Its recommended to get the SV version if you use your unit for graphic design.

4.Yes the 24 monitors are sharper then the 26 the same mostly goes for every monitor 22>24>26 when its about sharpness.


5.The Nec 90 series are the best monitors currently Available you cant go wrong
with them,what you should know is that 2690 is wide gamut monitor,that means
mostly oversaturated colors chemical,unnatural.The monitors works in Argb colors space.
If thats not issue go for it othervise get the 2490 its better screen overall,and its Srgb
normal,natural accurate colors.
 
Thnx for the reply.

That means i get normal colors in movies/games(?)/web with the 24, and oversaturated colors with the 26? If this is a fact, i have to rethink the whole schaboogey
 
Correct,the wide gamut (2690) is often hard to handle if you don't use color aware programs.
E.g: Mozilla,Safari Photoshop as you already know games and movies are not color aware.
My suggestion will be to get the 2490-BK-SV ;) mine just arrive 1 day ago to bad Customs
ain't work tomorrow (Sunday) :(
 
I think the term "sharpness" needs clarification. The 24 and 26" models have the same resolution - 1920x1200. This means that the pixels will be *smaller* on the 24" than the 26" model. Due to the way Windows works, this also means everything else will also be smaller, including text.

Now some people prefer this - they consider it sharper, but other people find they prefer the larger since since, for them, things are easier to see or read. Really the "sharpness" of both screens is the same - it's not like one is crisp and the other is fuzzy, you can't think in CRT terms... it's just that the pixels that make up one are bigger than the other. If you have your nose pressed against the screen, a higher DPI is better. If you sit further way, lower.

Now a 22" screen with 1920 resolution will be 103 DPI - this is smaller than a lot of people's comfort level (except perhaps on laptops). A 24" is 93 dpi, a 26" is 87 dpi. If you look at other popular sizes, 30" screens run at 100 dpi, 22" with 1680 resolution run 90 dpi, and a 19" with 1440 resolution is 89 dpi.
 
thnx for clearing that up sunfox:cool:

My suggestion will be to get the 2490-BK-SV

I would get that in a heartbeat if i had found one for sure!
The store i ordered 2690 from have the 2490 at a good price but not in stock.

2.If the monitor name is like 2690wuxi-BK-SV then its spectraview,also based
on the hood and calibrator its spectraview model no doubt.

The salesman over phone said it was the multisync model, but its weird that the monitor have this bundle which is standard with the SV :confused:

I also got the 30 inch cinema display from apple as a canidate, but i think that will be bittersweet knowing there is somthing like 2490 out there. Oh dear.
 
Your decition all depends on your workflow. If its indeed a Spectraview screen, you have "color management made easy"!

The 2690WUXi have the A-TW polarizer that the 2690WUXi2 don't. The 2690WUXi2 have a calibratable sRGB preset, but thats with Spectraview 2, since Spectraview profiler doesn't support this yet. You'll most likely get Spectraview profiler, since you are in Europe.

If your workflow is only in sRGB, the 2490WUXi would be your best choice. Some shoot only in sRGB (using the build-in matrix of the camera to convert the raw) and for those, the 2490WUXi would be ideal.

The 2690WUXi is more for those who shoot in RAW or aRGB and want more visible color shades. aRGB, CMYK, Pro photo RGB etc. all have colors that fall outside of the sRGB colorspace. Even Pro photo RGB's color space is too narrow to capture all the colors shades in the nature and people often want the photo to capture all.

sRGB is the most narrow of all the RGB based color spaces and with the availability of aRGB on even home printers, aRGB have become the minimum standard for many magazines and commerical agencies. A sRGB screen cannot even display all the shades in a CMYK color space, while the aRGB color space encompass both sRGB and CMYK in gamut range.
http://www.digitaldog.net/files/GamutMaps.pdf

Many have a workflow, where they shoot in raw, edit in aRGB and saves the picture in aRGB (for print), CMYK (for print) and sRGB (for web).

The 2690WUXi is excelent for such workflow, due to its larger gamut. With Spectraview, the color management is made easy for you. You can have unlimited LUT calibrations and change them "on the fly" through Spectraview. It will then automatically load the calibrated LUT into the screen and adjust brightness etc. according to what you calibrated it as when you made the profile. For sRGB outside of color managed programs, you have a working preset that is available. This preset is more then good enough for gaming, watching movies and surfing internet.

There might also be an advantage with the wide gamut and windows 7 due to its support for xvYCC, but its too early to tell since it requires also support for xvYCC over DVI (it can do that, but only with 24-bit (8-bit per RGB) colors due to bandwidth limitations of DVI.

The 2490WUXi is the best choice if all you do is gaming, surfing, watching movies or editing sRGB. Less hassle with color spaces, since most programs assume and use sRGB. Its limitations starts to show the moment you move outside of sRGB and want to softproof CMYK or aRGB.
 
Thanks, that really cleared up alot!

The photgrapher i've been retouching for have shot all his pictures in sRGB, and we have
coverted the pictures to aRGB 1998 when the magazines have asked for it.

If i go for the 2690, and our photographer shoots in aRGB, will a convertion inside photoshop from aRBG to sRGB mess up the picture quality other than just making the colorspace narrower (incase its a picture used for web - sRGB)?
If not, the 2690 should be the more versatile screen cause of the possebility to work in both sRGB and aRBG contra the 2490 that only can be worked in sRGB's colorspace..

Hope im not way off here!

(if someone in europe find a 2490wuxi(not 2) for sale, please shout out. Right now i only have found the 2690)
 
Thanks, that really cleared up alot!

The photgrapher i've been retouching for have shot all his pictures in sRGB, and we have
coverted the pictures to aRGB 1998 when the magazines have asked for it.

If i go for the 2690, and our photographer shoots in aRGB, will a convertion inside photoshop from aRBG to sRGB mess up the picture quality other than just making the colorspace narrower (incase its a picture used for web - sRGB)?
If not, the 2690 should be the more versatile screen cause of the possebility to work in both sRGB and aRBG contra the 2490 that only can be worked in sRGB's colorspace..

Hope im not way off here!

(if someone in europe find a 2490wuxi(not 2) for sale, please shout out. Right now i only have found the 2690)

There is always some degrading of pictures during a conversion, but mostly it doesn't matter. For web, it matters even less. Make sure that you operate in a larger bitdepth then 8-bit, because then you have more to go on with your edits.

What you need to know, is that the camera itself always captures in RAW. Even when sRGB or aRGB is selected. It then converts RAW into a color space container upon your selection (sRGB or aRGB). Any of those conversions means a loss of colors, but many uses it, since the internal matrix is often tuned to the camera giving better conversions.

If you select sRGB on the camera, you will have lost the colors outside of sRGB forever. A conversion from sRGB to aRGB won't get those beautiful cyans of water or deep greens of the fields. Thats why people keep things in the highest color space available or preferably in raw for later use.

You can try it yourself: Take a picture in RAW (most visible if there is much cyan and green in it), convert it to aRGB, sRGB and sRGB to aRGB. Print it out on a printer capable of aRGB. Look at the differences and see what you think yourself. The raw file contains information of an even higher gamut then those, so you'll use more of the information with aRGB then with sRGB.

Here's a bit about the subject from those who work with Pro photo colorspace:

What does this mean? It means that if your file is in the sRGB space any colours that were in the original image or file will either be clipped or compressed, depending on the rendering intent used. In other words, they're effectively gone.

Now, most photographers know this, more or less, and this is one of the reasons that when shooting in-camera JPGs, if the camera allows one to set Adobe RGB rather than sRGB, this is to be preferred. Why throw away information forever if you don't have to?

http://www.luminous-landscape.com/tutorials/prophoto-rgb.shtml

The 2690WUXi IS more versatile then the 2490WUXi for those who work with anything else then sRGB. If you need a constant view of how a webpage looks in sRGB and don't want to hazzle with changing profiles, then just get a cheap and cherry sRGB TN screen and calibrate it. Using two screens increases workflow anyway and you don't need high accuracy for web when you have already used a high-end monitor to edit the pictures.
 
Some notes for domis.:)

1. The NEC 2490 is discussed here. If you have questions or info to post about 2490 models please do so in the appropriate thread. Spreading info on clone threads makes it difficult for people to use this forum and keep track of useful info.

2. Abstract talk about color spaces is a good thing. It's hard to be wrong there. But the story may be less sweet when it comes to real equipment. Pro users MUST READ NEC 2490 LCD Monitor by Sean Reid with Karl Lang comments. - subscribtion required.

3. This where pro people talk.

4. sRGB mode on the 2690WUXi2 is partially calibratable.

Thank you.
 
thanks again for taking the time! Learning alot and most importantly guiding me into buying the right screen!

All i need to know now is IF this screen dont have the spectraview2/colorprofiler software and only a calibration hardware, will it still show great picture/sharpness/color reproduction - is it still worth the money compared to e.g hp2475w which is cheaper.

I do got the money for it, but if the monitor is close to the hp without the software it might be worth reconsidering

Edit: thanks albovin, ill take a look into it for sure!
 
Some notes for domis.:)

2. Abstract talk about color spaces is a good thing. It's hard to be wrong there. But the story may be less sweet when it comes to real equipment. Pro users MUST READ NEC 2490 LCD Monitor by Sean Reid with Karl Lang comments. - subscribtion required.

I wouldn't call it abstract talk, but rather practical talk about colorspaces in a workflow.

I haven't read the Sean Reid review and really don't want to pay 35$ to read it. I know that Karl Lang himself have tested both the 2690wuxi and the 2490wuxi and given both a thumbs up. The Karl Lang comments, are they from his review or the old comments he had before the 2490 and the 2690? Could you please quote some of it? (to avoid any legal issues with rights and such).

Here's at least Andrew Rodney (who's a friend of Karl Lang ) and have been to the lecture where he presented his review on the 2490 and 2690) point of view on the screens:
http://www.openphotographyforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=5716

He's using the 2690wuxi himself, so he has personal experience in using it and the expertise to see any problems regarding it. Sean Reid is partisipating in this thread as well. You should join and ask questions if you wonder about something. :)
 
1. The NEC 2490 is discussed here. If you have questions or info to post about 2490 models please do so in the appropriate thread. Spreading info on clone threads makes it difficult for people to use this forum and keep track of useful info.
I've read that review of yours and thought it was very informative, but i must disagree that this is a clone of any kind to the link you refered to, considering the fact this thread is about the 2690 multisync product and not mainly the 2490. Again i agree

When thats said i now know what the 2690wuxi is bundled with, iOne display 2.
I have no clue if this is a good thing or not, or if it gets close to the spectraview profiler.

Anyone?
 
I have to point out, that situation in Europe differs from the USA.
The MultiSync (WUXi) and SpectraView versions costs are significantly different, the latter gets better panels with zero full-dead pixel warranty.
It is not usual to find a WUXi bundled with a hood and a calibrator, maybe it is a local NEC/distributor's initiative.

domis, I think it is worth a try to buy the monitor, WUXi^2 does not have the A-TW polarizer, which is a pretty cool thing.
 
Yes Biges, its quite unusual to find a multisync with this bundle!
I bought the screen this morning and is expecting it sat or mon :cool:
Now i only need the spectraview2 software and i can relax, im so exited! :)
 
If memory serves correct, the European SpectraView Profiler is an NEC OEM version of BasicColor Display, which is an excellent program IMHO. I remember seeing Tamlin_WSGF's posts showing the screens and they are identical to BasicCColor 4.x.

The North American version is different software, but both versions (Eu and N.A.) use the Eye One Display 2 re-branded by NEC and yes, it is a good thing :)

In the North American version, you can buy the non-SV version of the 2690 and then buy the SVII (SpectraView II) kit separately which includes the software and Eye One Display 2, and turn the LCD2690WUXI-BK functionally into an NEC LCD2690WUXIBKSV. I did this due to stock allocation issues last year in Canada.

For the European version you have to buy the SV version since 2008 apparently. Older 2007 revisions had the same N.A. capability to be "hacked" into an SV (spectraview) version, but in 2008 NEC became evil and removed this capability for Europe.


I've read that review of yours and thought it was very informative, but i must disagree that this is a clone of any kind to the link you refered to, considering the fact this thread is about the 2690 multisync product and not mainly the 2490. Again i agree

When thats said i now know what the 2690wuxi is bundled with, iOne display 2.
I have no clue if this is a good thing or not, or if it gets close to the spectraview profiler.

Anyone?
 
Yes Biges, its quite unusual to find a multisync with this bundle!
I bought the screen this morning and is expecting it sat or mon :cool:
Now i only need the spectraview2 software and i can relax, im so exited! :)

I think you will get the software in the bundle. If not, send me a PM, I'll send you a link to download (official link).
 
I've read that review of yours and thought it was very informative, but i must disagree that this is a clone of any kind to the link you refered to, considering the fact this thread is about the 2690 multisync product and not mainly the 2490. Again i agree

When thats said i now know what the 2690wuxi is bundled with, iOne display 2.
I have no clue if this is a good thing or not, or if it gets close to the spectraview profiler.

Anyone?

My friend,
This is a clone thread of major threads on 2690 already existing.
This is what you are doing:
1. You are asking questons that have been answered 10 or 20 times in an appropriate thread.
2. You further complicate the task for those looking for decent info about the 2690.

In serious technical forums clone threads are closed immediately (moderators take care of that) and clone thread starters get points if they do so repeatedly.
Thanks.
 
My friend,
This is a clone thread of major threads on 2690 already existing.
This is what you are doing:
1. You are asking questons that have been answered 10 or 20 times in an appropriate thread.
2. You further complicate the task for those looking for decent info about the 2690.

In serious technical forums clone threads are closed immediately (moderators take care of that) and clone thread starters get points if they do so repeatedly.
Thanks.

I wont deny that some of these questions asked is to find somewhere on this forum, but there is a reason why i posted, and that is cause i didnt find them, quite logic.
My post might contain some questions that you refer as clone, but others havent, not something i could find atleast. If you think major threads that involves searching threw e.g 50,100 pages just to locate your spesific answer wont complicate things, i think your wrong. Major threads is read by those who find the topic-title interesting that want to take time to read threw all the posts. In my case, i've actually done that threw alot of 'major' threads with frustration without finding the decent info as u say.

This thread was not created for the fun of it. After many many hours of searching/reading i found out that posting my own thread would be the next step to find my designated answers. Indeed i found em with the help of these helpful replies i got, which im greatful for. If you want to get rid of clonethreads, go elsewhere which they actually accur.
Call me stupid but this thread led me tot he answers i was looking for, and maybe that will help others aswell which is in the same shoes as i am.
I find your post provocative, cause i think you my friend, should use your time helping instead of creating guidelines how things should be done.

now..

For the European version you have to buy the SV version since 2008 apparently. Older 2007 revisions had the same N.A. capability to be "hacked" into an SV (spectraview) version, but in 2008 NEC became evil and removed this capability for Europe.

I've heard some rumours about that aswell 10e, but this confirms it. I guess i have to buy the software from the states if i get the chance! ;)

I think you will get the software in the bundle. If not, send me a PM, I'll send you a link to download (official link).

great, thanks!

I now got all the info i need, and thanks to all participating!
 
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Dear albovin, would a moderator care to close duplicate threads, a third of all would be closed and half people would left, because it is just a way how it works :)
 
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