Intel is Tonya Harding

Also we seem to forget that intel's behavior not only effects AMD... what about Nvidia (nforce chipsets, their ion platform) and especially VIA, who have the nano... VIA have owned the low power processors arena for years and have now been kicked to the curb by intels atom... despite the fact that the Nano is substantially faster.

reuters said:
Nvidia makes graphics chips that pair with Intel's low-powered Atom in lower-priced netbook computers. He said Intel sells an Atom chip by itself for $45, but sells a three-chip set for $25 to lure business away.

"That seems pretty unfair," he said. "We ought to be able to compete and serve that market."

http://www.reuters.com/article/technologyNews/idUSTRE54H5OK20090518
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MrGuvernment said:
I dont recall seeing alot of AMD advertisments either advertising their products, i can recall seeing on tv and print plenty of Intel advertisments, but no AMD.......

Sure Intel had some questionable tactics, but AMD didnt help it's self either playing off of, and seems still, playing the "victim" role.

To me it is AMDs own fault for not properly advertising their product to sell their own buisness to tbe public to become better known as an alternative.
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Advertising has nothing to do with it. The fact is that most people who buy computers couldn't tell the difference between a Celeron and an Athlon FX. Intel shut them out of the OEM market by selling their parts at a loss and by rebates and exclusivity agreements. If the OEMs won't buy how can you compete? And don't bring up the DIY-er, we are overall a minority of computer users.
 
Mr. Bluntman said:
Advertising has nothing to do with it. The fact is that most people who buy computers couldn't tell the difference between a Celeron and an Athlon FX. Intel shut them out of the OEM market by selling their parts at a loss and by rebates and exclusivity agreements. If the OEMs won't buy how can you compete? And don't bring up the DIY-er, we are overall a minority of computer users.
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I don't feel that's entirely true. I think part of the problem is that because Intel became such a known brand name, people steered away from anything that wasn't Intel. Way back when, I know that I was leery at first of buying AMD, since I'd never heard of them before. But, it seemed like they had some good reviews and word-of-mouth praise, so I gave them a shot. Most people going out and buying a PC probably wouldn't think to research something like that, and just buy whatever they'd heard of before. People may not know the difference between the actual performance of a given processor model, but they're going to know whether they've seen Intel's advertisements versus virtually nothing for AMD.
 
So AMD wants to go to disney land? Ok I understand Intel did some efted up stuff and should be punished for it, but while the jap ruling made sense I still see the EU ruling as EU padding it's pockets and the heck with justice.

AMD had some very sweet chips that many shops would not use that had nothing to do with Intel. I remember one guy I did work for who would not touch AMD because of some of their older chipsets that cost him money when an entire batch went south. Intel got those agreements becuase no one was asking for AMD in the corporate world until the opterons came out and blew the doors off of the space heater xeons. Even then bosses would still ask AMD who is that?

Then AMD which did not have good cash flow, bought a company that had been in the red for five years ATI,they ended up cross licensed their hypertransport, and did four or five other things off the top of my head I can't remember that looked bad when they planning it, looked bad when they did it, and looked bad in hindsight.

We need someone to keep prices down but I'm really not seeing AMD doing that.I'd rather see AMD crash and burn get sold off to different people so we can see a company that can compete with intel.
 
CopyCat said:
I am gonna side with AMD :p

Because even though I use Intel, I know if AMD wasn't there Intel wouldn't hesitate to take advantage of me in ways I never want to know.

Why do you even think Intel was pushed to make the Duo chips? You can thank AMD for that.....
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It actually seems Intel has been making vast forward movement with or without AMD. Multicore development being ignited solely by AMD? Nope, sorry.
 
Let me break this down for you guys that are really having trouble with this. (caveman time)

MONOPOLY ILLEGAL
MONOPOLY BAD FOR EVERYONE BUT MONOPOLIZER
ALL MONOPOLY BAD NOT JUST INTEL MONOPOLY
AMD IS NOT ONLY VICTIM, WE ALL ARE

This is about an illegal practice pure and simple. It's fact. It's been investigated three times independently and the answer is the same. Even if it hadn't been, there are numerous factual statements all across the Internet from actual people that witnessed it. Hell I lived through it and it absolutely makes no sense why a product that beats its competitors for YEARS with the level of access we have to information regarding it, just can't get ahead. I know you love Intel sooooo badly because yes they have great products. But fact is fact, monopolies are illegal. Or did you just want to abolish the whole illegal aspect and let monopolies run wild and unchecked?
 
If Intel was the only CPU maker then I'd imagine that we'd all be paying a lot more than $200-300 for our i7's and Core 2's.
 
Brantoc said:
Well... Since Nancy got 2nd place and Tonya got 4th, I can't see that comparison... AMD are getting smacked in this generation of processors.. Now ATI vs Nvidia that might work.

Here is a more recent photograph of Tonya and Nancy tho.
Nancy is still HOT even after 3 kids..
Tonya is not so and even without kids.

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Tonya is not so bad? Man, she looks like the wife of the Stay Puft Marshmellow man. When I look at Nancy Kerrigan I have this urge to get her a sugar cube, an apple, or a carrot.
 
RangerXML said:
This is getting just out of hand, AMD releases nothing but crap because they can't catch up to Intel and now wage a PR campaign because of the FUCKING EU raping Intel and now everyone is kicking them as hard as they can. I use to like AMD, because they had quality chips for good prices, but were royally screwed by the Core 2 Duo series and now can only engage in a name calling contest. Here is a tip, make a better chip, seems to have worked for Intel. This really eating away at the last little respect I had for AMD (than again, buying ATi could of killed that).

Not saying AMD doesn't have its place right now, the bargain shelf is about right.
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You think Intel would be as good as they are right now if not for AMD's efforts?

*cough* IA64 and P4 *cough*

Dismissing everything as crap when the Phenom II offerings are actually a reasonable middle ground between the C2D and i7 shows how awfully myopic your statements are. You could have completely omitted the "I use to like AMD" and most of what you said afterwards because it reeks of sniveling fanboy whine and looking to find fault at any reason.

Quite frankly, I'm thankful for AMD's previous successes and hope they continue to be a presence in the processor market. They gave us a lot when the Athlon debuted and continued to put the pressure on Intel with their new releases... even if you want to point out that they're about a year or two behind Intel's latest (and most expensive) offerings.
 
No doubt AMD success is important in keeping Intel at the top of their game

But they have to get some freaking good processor out in the market sooner rather than later. I wish they had something that can compete with Core i7 now rather than when intel moved on to the next generation of processor.

Instead, all we get is stupid stuff like this. Its not funny and its not doing AMD any good.
 
Green on the outside , red on the inside. Around here that is a description of a certain political party to a tee. AMD is sure behaving that way too.
 
Brantoc said:
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Bad tooth-to-gum ratio.

Anywhoo. I just hope all this crap gets fixed.
My last 3 PC's were AMD and solid. I still like them as a company. I definitely think lately they have been lacking a lot in performance and advertising. I see Intel Dominating at this point in time all across the board.

Competition keeps prices down and increases R&D.
 
AMD said:
*cries* WHHHHHHHYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY?!!!
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Surprised no one posted that yet...

I'll take a lead pipe to AMD's knees for fucking whining. Give me a chip that's worth it and I'll buy it, otherwise stop crying.
 
michael.pa2 said:
This is why AMD won't catch up to Intel again.Winners don't whine and come up with nonsense like this,or count on the courts to keep them alive.They put everything into becoming better than the competition.
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COMES WITH THE TERRITORY FLARBLE GARBLE HURR
 
markt435 said:
Surprised no one posted that yet...

I'll take a lead pipe to AMD's knees for fucking whining. Give me a chip that's worth it and I'll buy it, otherwise stop crying.
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So when did you miss the part where this isn't related to the current market so much as what's happened over the last 8 or so years. You know, back when AMD HAD a chip that was worth it. Boy isn't this awkward now.
 
Intel might have better chips right now, but the real issue behind all this garbage is that intel would go to companies like Dell, and make deals that run along the following rules "we will give you X prices, and rebate chips you bought up from the year X till now if you don't sell chips from our competitors" I think that is very anti competitive. Not only because they wedged AMD out of the market, but also because the rebates didn't end up in the hands of the consumer, I think it was a way to hide a kickback payment. Specifically those deals were being made when AMD was the performance king, in the days of pentium 4 vs athlon 64.

I really have to wonder how many consumers ended up with pentium 4 desktops simply because they were were only buying from companies like dell.
 
Intel behaved like a big bully and they should pay for it, I care very little for the analogies but the point stands.
Those of you rooting for Intel's behavior don't understand how the market works, and what kind of damage you probably suffered as a consumer for these unfair practices.
I'm all for punishing companies that break the law - NO MATTER WHO THEY ARE.
This issue has already been finely churned here on the forum, you can look it upfor more details,
 
GEEK WARS!!!!! I love it when you nerds argue over CPU's. I bet 99.99999999% of you geeks that if all you had was a monitor, keyboard and mouse in front of you and all you could do it run word, games and a few other apps you couldn't tell which was Intel or AMD.

I think Kyle should set it up like the old Pepsi vs Coke taste test. Then have random geeks try it out.
 
Ouch.

Hopefully AMD takes the money and focuses on cutting edge, low power, low TDP CPUs.

If they can't pull their fingers out of their bum bums by the end of this year, my current Athlon X2 4400 will go back to Intel.
 
mullet said:
GEEK WARS!!!!! I love it when you nerds argue over CPU's. I bet 99.99999999% of you geeks that if all you had was a monitor, keyboard and mouse in front of you and all you could do it run word, games and a few other apps you couldn't tell which was Intel or AMD.

I think Kyle should set it up like the old Pepsi vs Coke taste test. Then have random geeks try it out.
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I think that 99.9% of the posters on Hard would figure out in 99.99 nanoseconds that the test is kinda meaningless :D
 
mullet said:
GEEK WARS!!!!! I love it when you nerds argue over CPU's. I bet 99.99999999% of you geeks that if all you had was a monitor, keyboard and mouse in front of you and all you could do it run word, games and a few other apps you couldn't tell which was Intel or AMD.

I think Kyle should set it up like the old Pepsi vs Coke taste test. Then have random geeks try it out.
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DAMN DUDE YOU ARE SO AWESOME WITH THAT SICK BURN THERES NO WAY YOU COULD EVER BE A GEEK CAN I BE COOL LIKE YOU
 
MavericK96 said:
...Says the guy with two systems (one overclocked) fully spec'ed out in his sig. :p
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nah man he just same some badass pcs he bought to play games on but he doesn't obsess over them like you GEEKS do. Hah dumb geeks! *puts on cool sunglasses* *sneaks away to read geek websites and hardware reviews*
 
Since when is it so uncool to be a geek that people pretend to not be geeks on an anonymous internet forum?
 
Looks like a simple issue for me.
Intel was doing shady business practice.. so they are now being fined $1.45 Billion. Serves them right.

AMD should just STFU and concentrate on making better chips. Now they will have no excuse for lagging behind Intel.
 
koss said:
Looks like a simple issue for me.
Intel was doing shady business practice.. so they are now being fined $1.45 Billion. Serves them right.

AMD should just STFU and concentrate on making better chips. Now they will have no excuse for lagging behind Intel.
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Except they don't have the money they would have made for R&D when they were king?
 
OldPueblo said:
So when did you miss the part where this isn't related to the current market so much as what's happened over the last 8 or so years. You know, back when AMD HAD a chip that was worth it. Boy isn't this awkward now.
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I still hear more crying than anything else.... WHHHHHHHHHYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY

:rolleyes:
 
RangerXML said:
This is getting just out of hand, AMD releases nothing but crap because they can't catch up to Intel and now wage a PR campaign because of the FUCKING EU raping Intel and now everyone is kicking them as hard as they can. I use to like AMD, because they had quality chips for good prices, but were royally screwed by the Core 2 Duo series and now can only engage in a name calling contest. Here is a tip, make a better chip, seems to have worked for Intel. This really eating away at the last little respect I had for AMD (than again, buying ATi could of killed that).

Not saying AMD doesn't have its place right now, the bargain shelf is about right.
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Correct me if I'm wrong, but don't most engineers and R&D guys NOT work for free? So when you come out with a killer product (AMD had better CPUs than Intel for a period), but then have to face monopolistic tactics from Intel that destroy your income and inhibit *deserved* growth, you can't keep up with the R&D, and therefor can't necessarily compete with the high paying, *everyone uses our chips* (because we force them to) Intel.

That's almost as dumb as saying that you have two dogs, that you let hunt for their own food. The one dog has always been good at hunting, and easily gets his own meals. The other, newer and inexperienced dog, was always lagging behind and just got enough to get by. Eventually the newer dog surprised you and started to consistently outdo the veteran, but both had plenty of food. You then decided to experiment, and although the younger dog would easily catch prey, you would only let it eat a tiny portion of what it caught (deserved), and gave the rest to the veteran dog. Eventually the younger one started to lose weight, and became unfit, unable to catch most prey. At that point, do you think it makes any sense to bitch at the younger dog because it sucks now and can't catch it's own meals?
 
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