"4890x2 Coming"

Kind of late to do this in this stage of the game. The next gen is just around the corner.
 
ATI should just focus on the next generation instead of releasing more refreshes with just a minor clock increase. Same as NVIDIA.
 
well, It would be a top end, high margin beast.

dual GPU, each running 1ghz, and each card having 1 or 2gb of ram?

At those clocks, would be pretty power hungry, beefy card.

More then likely they will be using chips made on later respins, most of the 4890's currently released, are from earlier respins...

The 4870 did start clocking higher a little better, with the later releases then the earlier ones...
 
whee another refresh. Who cares. If they make one, people will just by the cheap clearance 4870x2s instead of the 4890x2.
 
kioras said:
well, It would be a top end, high margin beast.

dual GPU, each running 1ghz, and each card having 1 or 2gb of ram?

At those clocks, would be pretty power hungry, beefy card.

More then likely they will be using chips made on later respins, most of the 4890's currently released, are from earlier respins...

The 4870 did start clocking higher a little better, with the later releases then the earlier ones...
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I just hope they address some heat issues with this one. even playing EVE online, in station I'm getting 70c+ even with the fan at 100%
 
the cards will almost always run hot on the stock cooling, simply because the way it moves the hot air from the rear core, over the core closer to the enterance.
 
ironforge said:
What is the next gen, and where is the corner(timeframe)?
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It's all rumor, speculation, and bullshit for the time being. There is zero hard proof, and DX11 is looking to be no real improvement on 10 from what I've seen. Live in the now.
 
Timeframe is q3 for ati, q4 for nvidia, so we still have another 4-6 months atleast.

Plenty of time to squeeze the market for some more good margin products
 
John Vuong said:
ATI should just focus on the next generation instead of releasing more refreshes with just a minor clock increase. Same as NVIDIA.
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If Nvidia has nothing to offer against the 4890X2, and the GTX 295 is beat Nvdia will be in a tough spot. I can see this making Nvidia get the GT300 out sooner to blow the 4890X2 out of the water.
 
xBanzai89 said:
If Nvidia has nothing to offer against the 4890X2, and the GTX 295 is beat Nvdia will be in a tough spot. I can see this making Nvidia get the GT300 out sooner to blow the 4890X2 out of the water.
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And than there's R800.

nVIDIA will not be blowing anyone out of the water. They're struggling enough as it is.

The funny part is that GT300 resembles RV770 more so than it does GT200. nVIDIA is going for a VLIW style GPU.
 
ElMoIsEviL said:
And than there's R800.

nVIDIA will not be blowing anyone out of the water. They're struggling enough as it is.
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Doubtful. One good chip, doesn't make a change in the balance of power. And it wasn't even that good of a chip. It didn't out preform Nvidia's offering. They simply offered it at a lower price, something that was quickly matched. The 260s have been consistently less than the 4870s after MIR too. Don't forget ATI is trying to do all this with a much much smaller budget than Nvidia. This will play out the same as AMD/Intel did. AMD makes one good chip and then intel crushes AMD for a few years.
 
i wish they could make it 40nm, that would really shake Nvidia up and get great sales too.
 
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[H]adouken!;1033966999 said:
i wish then could make it 40nm, that would really shake Nvidia up and get great sales too.
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Who cares if it's 40nm or 4nm if it can't preform. Frankly, I'd rather have a chipset on 65nm and it be faster. If they want to shake Nvidia up they will have to produce a faster chip for less money. Both companies can make crossfire/SLI on a card, that doesn't change anything. And +/-10% faster isn't going to change anything. It needs to be +/-25% to make a difference.
 
ElMoIsEviL said:
And than there's R800.

nVIDIA will not be blowing anyone out of the water. They're struggling enough as it is.

The funny part is that GT300 resembles RV770 more so than it does GT200. nVIDIA is going for a VLIW style GPU.
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I'd love to see a source for that rumour. I really doubt very much they are going to change their architecture to pack scalar units together, if that's what you mean.
 
god that thing must be a beast when it comes to power consumption, heat and fan noise.
I'd much rather wait for some 40nm stuff than these sandwich refreshes.
 
John Vuong said:
ATI should just focus on the next generation instead of releasing more refreshes with just a minor clock increase. Same as NVIDIA.
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if you know a little bit about how chips development works, you woud not have said such stupid thing. ATI is not one person, it is a team working on different things.
 
ihira said:
god that thing must be a beast when it comes to power consumption, heat and fan noise.
I'd much rather wait for some 40nm stuff than these sandwich refreshes.
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This isn't a sandwich board, and the 4890 is pretty similar to the 4870 so this shouldn't be any worse than the current 4870X2s, which while they run very hot stock get by alright.
 
Plus the 4890 is typically cooler than the 4870, so overall it should not be as hot as a 4870x2.
 
John Vuong said:
ATI should just focus on the next generation instead of releasing more refreshes with just a minor clock increase. Same as NVIDIA.
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I'm curious, what do you feel is needed right now in a GPU that current GPUs don't offer for gaming?
 
Brent_Justice said:
I'm curious, what do you feel is needed right now in a GPU that current GPUs don't offer for gaming?
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A single GPU, reasonably low wattage (under 150w full load draw) card that'll consistently provide 8x AA 16x AF almost never dropping below 60FPS at 1920x1200 in all current titles.
 
silent-circuit said:
A single GPU, reasonably low wattage (under 150w full load draw) card that'll consistently provide 8x AA 16x AF almost never dropping below 60FPS at 1920x1200 in all current titles.
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You'll probably have to wait for 40nm to see that, unfortunately.
 
Brent_Justice said:
I'm curious, what do you feel is needed right now in a GPU that current GPUs don't offer for gaming?
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More performance, not just a refresh with a slight bump in clock speed and a card that uses less power and heat.

To be honest I don't really care about ATI and NVIDIA releasing refreshes but I just want to see something that is innovative.
 
Man people be drinking haterade today. Ye, 4890 ownz, though i wouldn't count Nvidia out. Or atleast we better hope they stay competitive. My thoughts are them scrapping the gt212 was a good idea, let them poor all the R&D into gt300 and make a real product. Who knows maybe we'll be surprised with a new 8800gtx like card, though i doubt it.
 
LOL

sadly i can say my 4870x2 is the hottest thing in my pc even at idle over a loaded 3.2 ghz quad :D. i think id still be interested ina 4890x2 or a another cheap 4870x2 :)
 
silent-circuit said:
A single GPU, reasonably low wattage (under 150w full load draw) card that'll consistently provide 8x AA 16x AF almost never dropping below 60FPS at 1920x1200 in all current titles.
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eh i don't think that's every going to happen for "all current titles". once we get that card that can do that, there is going to be a new game that comes out. it's a game of cat and mouse, as new games come out there is a need for faster videocards. yeah sure the videocards can keep up for a little but then there is that next "Crysis" that pushes even the strongest card to the limit. i don't see it as a hardware limitation though, just that technology on the software front keeps getting more advanced and the hardware needs to keep up with it.

Besides Crysis, I think the 4890's and GTX275 keep up with a majority of titles just fine on high settings.
 
Current meaning... titles out now. I do however include things like Crysis and Stormrise in that category. I want a single card that'll run comfortable cool and not cost a ton in electricity that'll do 8X AA 16X AF at maximum settings at 1920x1200 never dropping below 60 FPS.

I don't know when it happened, probably not long after the release of Crysis itself, but someone decided that 30 FPS was playable and others got on board with this, to the point where many sites actually lowered their standards with regard to what was considered playable. I've never agreed, and that won't be changing any time soon. If it goes below 60 FPS, I am not at all happy about it.
 
interesting.. could be a sign that the next gen is being delayed by ATI and nvidia.. but who really knows at this point.. probably a horrible time to release a next gen cards anyways for both companies..
 
silent-circuit said:
A single GPU, reasonably low wattage (under 150w full load draw) card that'll consistently provide 8x AA 16x AF almost never dropping below 60FPS at 1920x1200 in all current titles.
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150Watts or less? I'm not sure you can do that with a 40nm chipset. You may well need 32nm to do that. And BTW, national average for Electricity is 0.10$ KWatt/hr. If you use 300 Watts playing 8 hours a day 30 days a month, your electric bill will only be $7.20 higher than not playing at all. Only 3.60$ different than 150 Watts, so who the fuck cares how much poer it takes?
 
John Vuong said:
More performance, not just a refresh with a slight bump in clock speed and a card that uses less power and heat.

To be honest I don't really care about ATI and NVIDIA releasing refreshes but I just want to see something that is innovative.
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You said you want more performance, more performance for what? What are you not able to do now that you would like to do with current GPUs?
 
People. You REALLY need better cases and better cooling...

I'm on AIR, and my 4870x2 (stock cooling) never goes over 65 celsius and 35% fan (with RivaTuner). My 4870x2 is idling at 51-52 celsius at 26% fan, and this with a higly OC i7 920, 12 Gb of RAM, 4 HDD and a Velociraptor inside...
 
LEVESQUE said:
People. You REALLY need better cases and better cooling...

I'm on AIR, and my 4870x2 (stock cooling) never goes over 65 celsius and 35% fan (with RivaTuner). My 4870x2 is idling at 51-52 celsius at 26% fan, and this with a higly OC i7 920, 12 Gb of RAM, 4 HDD and a Velociraptor inside...
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Ditto ^^^^^ I have the comparably the same temps as you.
 
LEVESQUE said:
People. You REALLY need better cases and better cooling...

I'm on AIR, and my 4870x2 (stock cooling) never goes over 65 celsius and 35% fan (with RivaTuner). My 4870x2 is idling at 51-52 celsius at 26% fan, and this with a higly OC i7 920, 12 Gb of RAM, 4 HDD and a Velociraptor inside...
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That, and hitting ~70 degrees DOESN'T MATTER on these cards. They're designed for continuous operation at >100 degrees! Why all the fuss about them running hot when it's completely irrelevant?
 
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