Just ordered the Dell UltraSharp 2209WA

Thanks for the details. If I'm not doing anything that requires exact and precise color reproduction like photography or graphic design, would the L220x be better? I just want a monitor where HD movies and gaming look very good. Aside from these, I'll just be doing normal computer tasks like internet, word processing, etc.


Personally I find the glow less bothersome than the PVA shift. YMMV. The PVA shift actually changes the level of revealed details and leads to all kinds of unexpected issues. I get sort of dizzy/headache like symptoms from PVAs false 3d effects. The glow is more like an overlay on a stable image, I might not like it when I see it, but it causes no real issues.

Though right now, I don't have either, but if I had to choose, I would clearly go with glow before shift.
 
Hi guys,

I'm from spain.

I received this monitor some days ago. I'm a bit disappointed with white uniformity... On some zones on left side white is a bit gray... Is normal?

http://img25.imageshack.us/my.php?image=tay004tx4.jpg

http://img13.imageshack.us/my.php?image=tay006rv7.jpg

In fact left side is a little darker than what is shown in these photos.

How about color uniformity in your units?

I'm evaluating if return this unit. Any thought would be very welcome!.

I apologize for my bad and poor command of English.

Thank you very much!
 
Well I received mine, but unfortunately there is a stuck pixel (it's red and only appears/ is noticeable on white and green channels). I tried a few fixes (rubbing and 2 per pixel color switching programs plus some various other myth fixes) but to no avail after a couple of hours. I called Dell and they are shipping me a replacement as we speak. Fingers crossed I have better luck with the next one. Pixel aside, I am in love.
 
Well I received mine, but unfortunately there is a stuck pixel (it's red and only appears/ is noticeable on white and green channels). I tried a few fixes (rubbing and 2 per pixel color switching programs plus some various other myth fixes) but to no avail after a couple of hours. I called Dell and they are shipping me a replacement as we speak. Fingers crossed I have better luck with the next one. Pixel aside, I am in love.

This seems to be the bane of LG's IPS panels. I definitely see more stuck/dead pixel reports for IPS panels (per capita). I have one on my 2490 as well.
 
took me forever to find where that serial # was... I was looking for a sticker... that little sliding panel is pretty tricky.
 
Hey guys, long time lurker, long time member of AT (Avalon). Been reading this thread ever since it was posted, and finally got the money selling off some of my useless electronics to buy this thing. Managed to get it for $213 shipped + tax by talking to an online Dell sales chat rep.

I've only had it on for 15 minutes, but I am very impressed with the quality, and this says a lot coming from a loyal Trinitron CRT guy. The uniformity on this thing looks nearly perfect so far, there is pretty much zero backlight bleeding. No dead pixels either. I have the brightness adjusted down to 12 (no buzzing) and the contrast at 76, seems to look the best so far there, but I'm going to be running some tests later and also trying out some of the color profiles you guys have thankfully posted.

All in all, just wanted to say thanks for everyone that has participated in this thread and for stumbling across such a huge deal!
 
Personally I find the glow less bothersome than the PVA shift. YMMV. The PVA shift actually changes the level of revealed details and leads to all kinds of unexpected issues. I get sort of dizzy/headache like symptoms from PVAs false 3d effects. The glow is more like an overlay on a stable image, I might not like it when I see it, but it causes no real issues.

Though right now, I don't have either, but if I had to choose, I would clearly go with glow before shift.

Does this become an issue during normal use, movies, and gaming, or only when doing something that requires graphical accuracy?

What benefit does the 1920 resolution give me? I don't mind small fonts so that's not an issue. This resolution factor is the only thing splitting my decision between the l220x and the dell.
 
Does this become an issue during normal use, movies, and gaming, or only when doing something that requires graphical accuracy?

What benefit does the 1920 resolution give me? I don't mind small fonts so that's not an issue. This resolution factor is the only thing splitting my decision between the l220x and the dell.

if eye-strain is not an issue (1900 on a 22"), the only concern is if your graphic card will run games smoothly at that rez. As well as if movies will play smoothly without drop frame

also there's quite a difference in price between both monitors
 
Does this become an issue during normal use, movies, and gaming, or only when doing something that requires graphical accuracy?

The shifting with PVAs is pretty bad for games and video/movies/tv. In any dark areas all the details disappear and it makes it very difficult to see without looking at it sideways or cranking up the gamma and ruining the rest of the picture.
 
Does this become an issue during normal use, movies, and gaming, or only when doing something that requires graphical accuracy?

What benefit does the 1920 resolution give me? I don't mind small fonts so that's not an issue. This resolution factor is the only thing splitting my decision between the l220x and the dell.

My issue with the PVA shifting shows up just about everywhere (movies/gaming/imaging work) about the only place it didn't bother me was on office apps with a white background.

This is the effect I and talking about:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=03gVDMG7AMg&feature=user
 
Marklin ... my screen looks exactly like yours and I'm strongly considering returning mine. The poor uniformity is obvious from a grey Windows desktop or a blank web page.
I'd appreciate feedback from others whether your screen has this problem, because I need to decide whether to request a replacement or just ship it back.

I also find it impossible to tame the brightness of this display. I have an Eye One Display LT colorimeter for measurements. The gamma on this display is just all over the map.
I've found you need to lower the contrast to at least 65 to get even close to a proper gamma 2.2 luminance curve. I'm currently running at contrast 58, brightness 12 and gamma at higher IRE levels is still way too low, which means the luminance at IRE 80+ is way too high.

I can track gamma 2.2 reasonably well up to IRE 70, but beyond that gamma drops off to something like 1.75. Even to get this far, I've had to use ATI Tray Tools to set the gamma slider from 1.0 down to 0.88 ... I have a 4850 graphics card.

At higher contrast settings, the luminance curve is just plain awful.

The color accuracy is definitely very good, you get a very nice CIE chart. I can also get very good white balance with delta E < 2 from 20-100 IRE.

The characteristic white glow of an unpolarized IPS screen is unwelcome, but black looks really good from normal usage angles. I'm used to an old Dell 1901 S-PVA panel.

So, although my average gamma is bang on 2.2, it's too high at lower IRE values and much too low at high IRE values. Can anyone advise me how to improve this? It's like 2.3 or 2.4 up to 40 IRE, perfect at 2.2 for IRE 50-70, then rapidly falls off to 1.75 at IRE 90.
I think this is why my display looks way too harsh and blown out.

In order to get a half reasonable luminance curve, I've had to sacrifice contrast. I'm already way down at 630:1 and I still find web pages are too in-your-face bright.

I'm hoping someone with more experience in monitor calibration can tell me how to fix this.
I did try the X-Rite Eye-One Match 3 software but the profile it generated looked and measured awful, so I've been doing all my tinkering manually.

It kills me because it's got very nice color accuracy and IPS goodness, and I managed to get one for $216. However, the poor screen uniformity and gamma tracking are just unacceptable.

Please help, it seemed like such a killer deal!
 
if eye-strain is not an issue (1900 on a 22"), the only concern is if your graphic card will run games smoothly at that rez. As well as if movies will play smoothly without drop frame

also there's quite a difference in price between both monitors

I got this card http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814130377. Is this something that can handle it?

I'm not sure about pricing yet, but I'm guessing the L220x for $300-320 and the Dell for about $250. Since eIPS is a completely new thing, I'm not sure if I should jump on it or not even if it's cheaper. So I guess according to posts, the only negatives I need to debate between are the l220x shifting and the Dell glowing?

It seems like a lot of people are doing calibrations. I'm just a completely lay person when it comes to monitors, so if I don't know how to calibrate, is the Dell something I shouldn't get? Or is it something I can easily do after following people's examples? Does calibration cost money (buying equipment, programs) or is it something I can do without extra things?
 
Replacement monitor arrived today. All is well.

Congrats on getting one with the "skin" intact, that isn't bleeding liquids.

The shifting with PVAs is pretty bad for games and video/movies/tv. In any dark areas all the details disappear and it makes it very difficult to see without looking at it sideways or cranking up the gamma and ruining the rest of the picture.

I found my 24" MVA panels were worse than my 2709W 27" S-PVA. I don't know if the size makes a difference, but the gamma shift is less, and not nearly as severe. I can actually read this forum on my 2709W without feeling cross-eyed, something I couldn't do on my 24" MVAs.

Having said that, I'd be outright lying if I said it was as "gamma shift free" as an IPS. The IPS is noticeably better.

he's happy about his display and you call him blind

didn't you get banned?

The forum lost 5 days of posts. It's like a time machine.
 
how many monitors do you have 10e?
Are you a monitor collector? :p
I tested them to make sure I didn't have any dead pixels... of which I couldn't find any... mine had very little backlight bleed... almost non-existent actually.
I didn't get to fix the colors though... I'll work on that when I actually finish building my computer and desk to put them on...
Then I'll have to figure out how to use your IC profile that you made... does XP allow you to load profiles?
 
Hey RBerger,

Well this profile using 0 brightness and contrast of 74 (R99,G98,B100 in custom RGB) with Basiccolor 4.1.8 and the specific targets listed

http://www.megaupload.com/?d=1RAVJ1I6

Produced this nice CIE chart (which shows the target):

3269413428_b46f1ff043_o.jpg


You are more than welcome to try it out. If you want other settings as targets I can try again and post you another profile.

Unfortunately the forum lost my original 2209WA "comment" post, but I said the exact same thing concerning gamma, and suggested that a contrast of 50 is ideal for exactly 2.2 gamma and good color fidelity. Additionally there aren't the typical issues with a color profile of a badly produced monitor like severe grey scale banding and such. I agree, that I don't find the Eye One Match to be the best software for really good calibration.
 
how many monitors do you have 10e?
Are you a monitor collector? :p
I tested them to make sure I didn't have any dead pixels... of which I couldn't find any... mine had very little backlight bleed... almost non-existent actually.
I didn't get to fix the colors though... I'll work on that when I actually finish building my computer and desk to put them on...
Then I'll have to figure out how to use your IC profile that you made... does XP allow you to load profiles?

for installing a profile (ICC/ICM) on your windows setup, try following this --> link
use the icc file you downloaded here and it should get you going

Quick guide for XP:
1. download WinColorSetup.exe from Microsoft or somewhere else if you like
2. install and run
3. go to "device" then click "Add"
4. browse for the icc/icm file then click OK
5. choose that icm/icc profile then click "set as default" then click OK

you should see a color different right away
 
I have the NEC LCD2690WUXI, Dell 2709W, 2005FPW, and 2209WA.

The 2005FPW I've had for nearly four years, and it's going strong. If it had HDCP, I probably would still only own that. I wanted the 2209WA because it is a standard gamut display and I was curious about eIPS. It is the first 22" I've ever tried/used.

Anyway!

Try this little utility. It is something like 6 years old, but it allows you to instantly load any color profile that is installed in the c:\windows\system32\spool\drivers\color directory as long as it is a real ICM profile with gamma adjustments.

If you have multi-monitor, you just load it, drag it to the chosen monitor, and it will load the profile instantaneously as soon as you click it in the list. Pretty good. I can't find it any more on teh interwebs so I thought I'd post it here:

http://www.megaupload.com/?d=YG21DOZ6

Strangely enough it works on XP, Vista x64, Windows 2003 as well as Windows 7 Beta, which does no better job of managing wide gamut displays than Windows XP or Vista does. Boo Microsoft, liars.

how many monitors do you have 10e?
Are you a monitor collector? :p
I tested them to make sure I didn't have any dead pixels... of which I couldn't find any... mine had very little backlight bleed... almost non-existent actually.
I didn't get to fix the colors though... I'll work on that when I actually finish building my computer and desk to put them on...
Then I'll have to figure out how to use your IC profile that you made... does XP allow you to load profiles?
 
I also find it impossible to tame the brightness of this display. I have an Eye One Display LT colorimeter for measurements. The gamma on this display is just all over the map.
I've found you need to lower the contrast to at least 65 to get even close to a proper gamma 2.2 luminance curve. I'm currently running at contrast 58, brightness 12 and gamma at higher IRE levels is still way too low, which means the luminance at IRE 80+ is way too high.

I can track gamma 2.2 reasonably well up to IRE 70, but beyond that gamma drops off to something like 1.75. Even to get this far, I've had to use ATI Tray Tools to set the gamma slider from 1.0 down to 0.88 ... I have a 4850 graphics card.

At higher contrast settings, the luminance curve is just plain awful.

I've spent hours calibrating mine, something like 9 brightness 70 contrast or 10-11 brightness and 68 contrast is the best I can find. Anything with brightness over 11 is nasty.

7-8 brightness 70 contrast is very readable imo. Or even 5-7 brightness and 71 contrast.
 
So it means that the color profile if it is installed, it will correct the gamma and the monitor will reproduce pictures as close to the original as possible, cause i \'m still confuse about the function of the color profile and what it will do after installing it, will i notice a difference b4 & after i install the profile?
 
I got this card http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814130377. Is this something that can handle it?

I'm not sure about pricing yet, but I'm guessing the L220x for $300-320 and the Dell for about $250. Since eIPS is a completely new thing, I'm not sure if I should jump on it or not even if it's cheaper. So I guess according to posts, the only negatives I need to debate between are the l220x shifting and the Dell glowing?

It seems like a lot of people are doing calibrations. I'm just a completely lay person when it comes to monitors, so if I don't know how to calibrate, is the Dell something I shouldn't get? Or is it something I can easily do after following people's examples? Does calibration cost money (buying equipment, programs) or is it something I can do without extra things?

I think you'll be happy with either - the color shifting on the L220x is definitely there at more extreme angles, but it's certainly not an issue that would keep me from getting it. In that regard, the Dell is better. If you just need a general purpose display for videos, games, text, internet, I think you should go for the cheaper one. If you need more work space in a relatively compact monitor (the high resolution in a 22"), the lenovo is superb IMO. Just keep in mind that it's a wide gamut display which means colors can be very saturated.

If you don't need exact colors, you can just use the adjustments on the screen, or download a profile from other users and you should be fine. If you need accuracy, you'll also need a hardware calibrator.

Oh, one more thing I've noticed: the Dell reaches its brightest more quickly than the Lenovo. When I switch on the Dell it seems to be more like an LED backlight because it is bright very quickly. Not as fast an LED, but very fast compared to the Lenovo which takes a few minutes to warm up.
 
I got this card http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814130377. Is this something that can handle it?

I'm not sure about pricing yet, but I'm guessing the L220x for $300-320 and the Dell for about $250. Since eIPS is a completely new thing, I'm not sure if I should jump on it or not even if it's cheaper. So I guess according to posts, the only negatives I need to debate between are the l220x shifting and the Dell glowing?

It seems like a lot of people are doing calibrations. I'm just a completely lay person when it comes to monitors, so if I don't know how to calibrate, is the Dell something I shouldn't get? Or is it something I can easily do after following people's examples? Does calibration cost money (buying equipment, programs) or is it something I can do without extra things?

uhh the lenovo is about $450... definitely NOT $320
 
I think you'll be happy with either - the color shifting on the L220x is definitely there at more extreme angles, but it's certainly not an issue that would keep me from getting it. In that regard, the Dell is better. If you just need a general purpose display for videos, games, text, internet, I think you should go for the cheaper one. If you need more work space in a relatively compact monitor (the high resolution in a 22"), the lenovo is superb IMO. Just keep in mind that it's a wide gamut display which means colors can be very saturated.

The lenovo is a true hd monitor I was told because of its unique resolution, but does hd movies still look good on the dell even though it's 1680 X 1050?

What does it mean to be saturated?
 
Many thanks to user 10e ... rather than just use your profile, I downloaded the latest version of BasicColor and got a trial license.

Wow, I'm really impressed! The LUT it generated totally fixed my gamma/luminance curve problems.
Gamma now tracks at 2.2 nearly perfectly from 20-90 IRE and so my luminance curve is bang on.
White balance is pretty much perfect from 20-100 IRE.

I'm still running at Contrast 58 Brightness 12 so my contrast ratio is only 660:1 but now I can start experimenting a bit with higher contrast. Thanks also to R0achTheWarHero, I will try the combinations you suggested.

After calibrating with BasicColor I used ColorHCFR with my Eye One Display LT to generate the charts and measurements with which I'm most familiar. These are the tools I use to calibrate my plasma TV.

OK so I'm sold on the color accuracy of this monitor ... but I still find it way too bright to use for web surfing at night with subdued lighting. I'm going to try out some games and I expect they will look quite good.

My main remaining issue is bad screen uniformity as documented by user marklin a couple pages back. The right half of my screen is considerably brighter than the left half. I'd love to hear from others whether this is what everyone's 2209WA looks like. If not, I'll arrange a replacement from Dell.

If I can get one with decent screen uniformity, I think this monitor is a winner at the $216 price I paid.
I just don't get why it seems so blindingly bright when the background is white given how much I've already turned down the controls. I do realize that IE isn't color managed.

I really wanted an IPS that wasn't wide gamut without coughing up $1000 for a 2490WUXi. Sure this monitor isn't in the same class, but for the price it's just what I wanted.
 
Try settings like these, I started trying lower brightness settings and seem to be getting some good results:

1brightness 74con
2brightness 74con
3brightness 72-74con
4brightness 72-74con
5brightness 72-74con
6brightness 72con
7brightness 71con
8brightness 71con
9brightness 70con
10brightness 70con

Color temperature changes with each contrast setting so it's very hard to "preview" them and determine if the results will look good or not calibrated. The best way is probably to look at a high contrast color image on a black background.
 
"The lenovo is a true hd monitor I was told because of its unique resolution, but does hd movies still look good on the dell even though it's 1680 X 1050?

What does it mean to be saturated?"




HD movies look great on both. The L220x colors are extremely vivid and reds/greens can be a little over the top depending on what applications you use. If you use color aware applications and you've calibrated your monitor, everything looks great. even if you don't you get accustomed to the colors very quickly.

Having said that, if I could have a regular color gamut 1900X1200 22" display with a H-IPS panel for around $300 I would be prefer that!
 
Glad to hear it. I like BCC because you can either ask for a target luminance, or you can just use your calibrator to test it first and see what values you are getting. And it works great with the Eye One colorimeters.

Nothing wrong with slightly less contrast if you prefer lower brightness. For me, a good black level can be due to high contrast OR low brightness. I prefer monitors in the 120 to 140 cdm/2 range for whites, but everyone is different, as are lighting conditions.

Enjoy. I have to try that ColorHCFR process I keep reading about on avsforum.com

Cheers!

Many thanks to user 10e ... rather than just use your profile, I downloaded the latest version of BasicColor and got a trial license.

Wow, I'm really impressed! The LUT it generated totally fixed my gamma/luminance curve problems.
Gamma now tracks at 2.2 nearly perfectly from 20-90 IRE and so my luminance curve is bang on.
White balance is pretty much perfect from 20-100 IRE.

I'm still running at Contrast 58 Brightness 12 so my contrast ratio is only 660:1 but now I can start experimenting a bit with higher contrast. Thanks also to R0achTheWarHero, I will try the combinations you suggested.

After calibrating with BasicColor I used ColorHCFR with my Eye One Display LT to generate the charts and measurements with which I'm most familiar. These are the tools I use to calibrate my plasma TV.

OK so I'm sold on the color accuracy of this monitor ... but I still find it way too bright to use for web surfing at night with subdued lighting. I'm going to try out some games and I expect they will look quite good.

My main remaining issue is bad screen uniformity as documented by user marklin a couple pages back. The right half of my screen is considerably brighter than the left half. I'd love to hear from others whether this is what everyone's 2209WA looks like. If not, I'll arrange a replacement from Dell.

If I can get one with decent screen uniformity, I think this monitor is a winner at the $216 price I paid.
I just don't get why it seems so blindingly bright when the background is white given how much I've already turned down the controls. I do realize that IE isn't color managed.

I really wanted an IPS that wasn't wide gamut without coughing up $1000 for a 2490WUXi. Sure this monitor isn't in the same class, but for the price it's just what I wanted.
 
So just got this monitor - looks great. Thank you 10e for the gamma settings.

I just have one question:
How do I get the monitor to show in 4:3 resolution without having to go to the menu every time and select "Wide Mode -> 4:3". Is there some way I can leave it on Fill and get the GPU to output in 4:3?

I have a 4850 and I thought the ATI CCC allowed me to do this and the first time I tried it, it worked but was very distorted. So I disabled it. I decided to try it again but now it doesn't seem to do it any more. Just wondering if anyone has had any luck?
 
So just got this monitor - looks great. Thank you 10e for the gamma settings.

I just have one question:
How do I get the monitor to show in 4:3 resolution without having to go to the menu every time and select "Wide Mode -> 4:3". Is there some way I can leave it on Fill and get the GPU to output in 4:3?

I have a 4850 and I thought the ATI CCC allowed me to do this and the first time I tried it, it worked but was very distorted. So I disabled it. I decided to try it again but now it doesn't seem to do it any more. Just wondering if anyone has had any luck?

Enable GPU scaling under "Flat Panel" > "Image Attributes" > "Image Scaling" area and set it to use "Maintain Aspect Ratio"

Enjoy.
 
My primary usage requires good, sharp text and then color reproduction. No gaming. Which of these monitors would you suggest and in what order?


1) Dell 2209WA

2) Viewsonic VX2025 (20 inch 8 ms (g2g) P-MVA (AUO M201EW01 V0)

3) Dell 2007FP (S-IPS)
 
My primary usage requires good, sharp text and then color reproduction. No gaming. Which of these monitors would you suggest and in what order?


1) Dell 2209WA

2) Viewsonic VX2025 (20 inch 8 ms (g2g) P-MVA (AUO M201EW01 V0)

3) Dell 2007FP (S-IPS)

Zero chance for #2, #3.

HP 2275 is better choice for text than 2209.
 
Enable GPU scaling under "Flat Panel" > "Image Attributes" > "Image Scaling" area and set it to use "Maintain Aspect Ratio"

Enjoy.

Yeap, that's what I did. Well, it turns out it does work, just not in Blizzard games.

For anyone that is interested see:
http://hardforum.com/showthread.php?t=1331320

Also, on that note, does everyone else find that choosing "Fill Mode -> 4:3" produces a much sharper image than using GPU scaling?
 
Really? The S-IPS is not as good for text?
Why the HP 2275?

IPS is good for everything or best for everything.
But we buy monitors, not panel technology.
IPS monitors can be with different electronics, resolution, size, dot pitch, color accuracy, viewing angles, brightness control, CR, ergonomics, AG coating, backlight flickering, etc. So there is a big difference between IPS "family" members.

For your primary use (text) the HP has avantages - wider range of brightness control, deep black and high CR, not aggressive flickering.
For your secondary use (colors) it has disadvantage - PVA with colorshift and wide color gamut.
 
IPS is good for everything or best for everything.
But we buy monitors, not panel technology.
IPS monitors can be with different electronics, resolution, size, dot pitch, color accuracy, viewing angles, brightness control, CR, ergonomics, AG coating, backlight flickering, etc. So there is a big difference between IPS "family" members.

For your primary use (text) the HP has avantages - wider range of brightness control, deep black and high CR, not aggressive flickering.
For your secondary use (colors) it has disadvantage - PVA with colorshift and wide color gamut.

Thank you, that's helpful and it makes sense. Unfortunately the HP is out of my price range. The other three are my current options.

If you had to pick from three listed, given the usage, would you say the 2209WA would be my best choice? Would text be a little too small at the higher resolution on the 22" Dell?

Oh, I also have the option of a Dell 2007WFP (S-PVA - Samsung LTM201M1) panel).

So:

1) Dell 2209WA

2) Viewsonic VX2025 (20 inch 8 ms (g2g) P-MVA (AUO M201EW01 V0)

3) Dell 2007FP (S-IPS)

4) Dell 2007WFP (S-PVA)
 
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