US Communications Facing Big Changes in 2009

I'd take habeas corpus away from terrorists any day of the week over socializing my health care.
 
Great. Another Zellio2009/w1retap thread. We probably needed more of these...
 
You can't count this topic as me against W1retap when everybody else in the topic also hates his bullshit.
 
Your arguing with w1retap.

If you make sense, he'll call you a communist reading Karl Marx.

This guy is a crybaby.
 
w1retap said:
I'd take habeas corpus away from terrorists any day of the week over socializing my health care.
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Just to address this, one of our constitutional rights is to be innocent before proven guilty.

I guess though, in your Neo-con Bush gunslinger world, the only people who are right are people who agree with your idiotic ideas?
 
I'm sorry but we need affordable health care in this country not fast internet.
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lololol then maybe you should sue the bastards that are sueing the doctors.

After all, the extreme minority of the population ruins it for all.
 
Who besides the unemployed/illegal aliens doesn't have a health care plan in the US?
 
Fuck the FCC!

The U.S. government is not capable of providing good broadband. And even if they are, then why the hell should the free market die?

Now, they're going to be playing an even larger role. Could it at least stay how it is, since there are many people that actually want the damn agency abolished?

Can't the damn beauracrats be satisfied with the [huge] size of govt now? What more do they want?
 
The Red said:
National healthcare is a model with terrific results in every nation it has ever been implemented in.
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I dare say I've never seen such a blatantly ridiculous statement. Saying that nationalized health care has offered "terrific results" in every nation it's been implemented in is pretty much akin to saying the Earth is flat.

The Red said:
Its only obstacle is us, the US, paying top dollar to doctor hacks and filtering all the zealous for-profit doctors into our nation.
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Such a wildly uninformed view of the problems (plural) facing U.S. health care. You'd rather try to fix the issues by subverting them (or at least attempting to) with a nationalized health care initiative, rather than tackling the problems directly? Why?

jcvjcvjcvjcv said:
To all those people saying government-run healthcare will lead to a Marxist regime: the police is socialized, the firebrigade is....
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I've yet to see anyone attempt to argue for nationalized health care by leveraging the fact that the various police forces in the U.S. are government-run. It's your belief these organizations are...efficient? Golly!

Zellio2009 said:
You can't count this topic as me against W1retap when everybody else in the topic also hates his bullshit.
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He at least attempts to make decent points (and in an amusingly rude way, no less). Seemingly, you lack the same initiative.

Zellio2009 said:
This guy is a crybaby.
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Which is why you wandered into this thread to complain about him...

Chombo said:
Who besides the unemployed/illegal aliens doesn't have a health care plan in the US?
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There are many, myself included. The challenge I face is finding a plan from a provider that at least attempts to offer me some sort of reasonable coverage at a reasonable price. I can pay as little as $100 a month for what equates to nothing more than an attractive-looking insurance card (with obscene deductibles and practically nonexistent coverage), or pay $800 a month for...again, practically nothing.

So, for now, I just practice preventative self-care and save myself boatloads of money. Sure, I'm fucked if/when I start getting malignant growths, but it's not as if any of the health care plans available to me would be all that helpful to me in such a scenario anyway.
 
phide said:
There are many, myself included. The challenge I face is finding a plan from a provider that at least attempts to offer me some sort of reasonable coverage at a reasonable price. I can pay as little as $100 a month for what equates to nothing more than an attractive-looking insurance card (with obscene deductibles and practically nonexistent coverage), or pay $800 a month for...again, practically nothing.

So, for now, I just practice preventative self-care and save myself boatloads of money. Sure, I'm fucked if/when I start getting malignant growths, but it's not as if any of the health care plans available to me would be all that helpful to me in such a scenario anyway.
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Are you self employed or is it the employer plans that suck?
 
phide said:
He at least attempts to make decent points (and in an amusingly rude way, no less). Seemingly, you lack the same initiative.


Which is why you wandered into this thread to complain about him...
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Something tells me you agree with his ideas...

Tell us what his decent points are hum?

The whole point of denying people accused of a crime rights (innocent until PROVEN guilty)??

The cra forces banks to lend to anyone?

Here's a tip: Unless you want to be branded with someone who is obviously full of shit, quit arguing for him.
 
But hey, I'm kinda glad that your at least taking your fight to defend w1retap to a larger scale, because it's obvious it isn't me versus w1retap in this topic, it's EVERYONE versus w1retap (and now you)
 
Honestly though, considering the way w1retap and Phide post, I'm inclined to believe that only fellow neocons who believe the same as they do are ones that they consider 'ones of make decent ideas'.

It definately seems like they attempt to look down at everyone else.
 
Chombo said:
Are you self employed or is it the employer plans that suck?
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It's actually both for me at this time. My employer plans are...well, let's just say they're complicated and insufficient. It's my fault for sticking with that employer, obviously, but the self-employed in the nation (and there are many) have to go through some pretty rough stuff to get medical coverage that's practical. In most cases, though, I'd say that "practical" isn't even achievable. It isn't in my case, and I'm incredibly healthy (and young). And as far as family history goes, the most troubling issue we've faced is minor psoriasis.

I don't blame state governments or the federal, and I don't blame my employer, but there are certainly entities that are deserving of blame for the sorry state of health care in the U.S. One could write a plethora of books on the subject and yet barely begin to scratch the surface.

Zellio2009 said:
Here's a tip: Unless you want to be branded with someone who is obviously full of shit, quit arguing for him.
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That's not really a concern of mine, quite frankly.

Zellio2009 said:
Honestly though, considering the way w1retap and Phide post, I'm inclined to believe that only fellow neocons who believe the same as they do are ones that they consider 'ones of make decent ideas'.
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You could at least make a favorable attempt to quote me correctly, if that's what you've attempted to do here. I never said he was "one of decent ideas [sic]", I said he "at least attempts to make decent points". Two very, very different things.
 
w1retap said:
I'd take habeas corpus away from terrorists any day of the week over socializing my health care.
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I'd rather take your right to vote :rolleyes:

The point is that someone says you're a terrorist and then it will never be proven in court. That's crazy.

If Bush decides you're a terrorist he can lock you up and never give you a trial, because since you're a terrorist you are not entitled to.
 
phide said:
You could at least make a favorable attempt to quote me correctly, if that's what you've attempted to do here. I never said he was "one of decent ideas [sic]", I said he "at least attempts to make decent points". Two very, very different things.
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Don't talk to me like I'm dumb. If you honestly think a person who says people, once accused have no rights, just to begin with, HAS A DECENT POINT OR ATTEMPTS TO, your too far up your neo-con nose to see anybody else.
 
Let's say everyone who agrees with a deleted Habeus Corpus is a terrorist in this thread and someone who should not be listened to ;)
 
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