Thief Demanding PC Gets Pummeled Instead

jellyhead said:
No need to feel sorry, but thanks all the same, mate! I quite like the UK - sure, it rains a lot & we pay a hefty premium for our computer bits; however, at least we don’t have to worry (too much) about getting shot (on purpose or by accident).

You Yanks are a lot of fun, and for the most part I admire your spirit - but really, you can keep your gun law. We Brits generally sort things out with a good old fashioned ‘kicking’; more often than not, that suffices.

That said, I appreciate the playing field is somewhat different over there. I’m just glad that I’ve not had to adapt to such rules of engagement – and hope that I never shall. My folks live in South Africa (Durban) and I have other family in Johannesburg. I choose not to live there either ; )
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Tell that to James Bond you liar.
 
jellyhead said:
No need to feel sorry, but thanks all the same, mate! I quite like the UK - sure, it rains a lot & we pay a hefty premium for our computer bits; however, at least we don’t have to worry (too much) about getting shot (on purpose or by accident).
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True enough, but the assault rate is much higher in the UK on avg. No country is perfect and we are all different....

I just wish people from everywhere would be more accepting of differences than judgemental.
 
Dan_D said:
The best way to stop someone is to shoot them and hit vital organs. There is a reason why they don't run around with swords on the battlefield.
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A head shot, sure. But hitting them in most of the body will leave someone on an adrenaline rush at least several seconds to keep coming at you. People don't instantly drop when shot in the chest like in the movies. And you can cross 8 feet in half of a second. Shooting someone in the chest at 8 feet that is coming at your with a knife means you're probably going to get stabbed, unless you get the head or a kneecap.

They don't use swords on a battlefield because you don't want to be close to your opponent. In close combat in WWII, the wooden gun butts were still pretty useful for hitting an opponent. Once they switched to lightweight butts, it pissed off a lot of people that expected their gun not to break if they had to club somebody.


Dan_D said:
Bullshit. Where do you people get this stuff? Bird shot will NOT penetrate far enough into human flesh to kill someone. Especially in one shot. Bird shot makes a nasty looking wound but that's all it is.[...] Trust me any shotgun load that won't penetrate walls won't penetrate people either.
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I think you need to read more carefully.
At close range it'll take off a face, and it's really hard to be attacked by someone without a face.
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When you eyeballs and nose/mouth/throat are swiss cheese, it's pretty hard to attack someone. Where did I say anything about killing anyone? At close range, within a couple of meters, birdshot is extremely effective against a person's face, and you don't even need very good aim.
 
Orangey said:
This isn't going to get through to people because this thread is just a Texas circle-jerk, but anyway...

Just because your parents could afford to get you into a good college and you used your daddy's contacts to land a cushy well-paid job, doesn't mean you're entitled to shit like 60" HDTVs and $5000 stereos. Get over yourselves, robbers don't deserve to die. The wife-rape card is just scaremongering NRA propaganda bullshit.
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Your address is in the UK.

Obviously you'd worship robbers, as people in prison cost more to taxpayers then a fancy hotel does.
 
TOOL1075 said:
There is so much misinformation and FUD regarding firearms and firearm ownership spewed by the general news-media and agenda-wielding politicians that it is becoming increasingly difficult for individuals new to the subject to obtain proper information.

I feel a strong pity for people who live in nations where defending oneself is considered a crime. I particularly feel sorry for the nations (and communities within the United States) that have used twisted logic to "ban" firearms from public ownership.

It's sad, really. The fact that those communities in America are clearly violating human rights that are protected by our nation's constitution sickens me. (Chicago, D.C., the list goes on. Good thing the "gun-control" there works! Oh, wait....)

Criminals love it. It's great to be able to rob, rape, and murder with no resistance from the general populace. Baaaa baaaaa. You hear that? That's the sound of the sheep. Careful, don't become part of the flock.
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Yeah, everybody seems to think that GUN CONTROL keeps the guns out of the hands of criminals, but the fact is it only makes it harder for people who wish to legally obtain them to do so.

If a person is going to break the law with a gun, why would that person give a shit if they're breaking it by owning one?
 
gaspah said:
WOW... SO GLAD, i don't live in america, having people next door with enough guns to start their own gihad would freak the hell outta me...

your government has nukes, you think every tom dick and harry should have access to those too?? when those laws that some of you american people hold so dead were made, they didn't know guns were going to come along that could wipe out an entire classroom of students with one quick spray... guns were at a level where if you walked into a room of 10 people with a gun and started firing, you would be overpowered before too long.. i suppose being a good Christian also im guessing that you believe a father has the right to sell his daughter into slavery (It says that plain and clear in the Bible).. Another thing that may have had some bearing at the time it was written but completely absurd and irrelevant today.

i only know 1 person with a gun (a plain simple rifle), and well its peaceful here, we dont have the queen of england all up in our face or nothin'.... and your government messes with your rights every second day, what you talking about.. you aint shootin nobody yet, what will it take? they make you poorer and poorer everyday, and get richer and richer doing it, eventually you wont be able to afford the ammo, where will your precious laws be then?

cool, fine, have your crazy deathray and say its to hunt animals or whatever, but if you're going to your gun cabinet and pulling out a weapon that looks like it should be mounted on a helicopter.. its my opinion that you may have some deep-seeded emotional problems..
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I'm glad you don't live in America too.
 
brucedeluxe169 said:
and whats wrong with that? Americans are among the most talented, creative, strong willed, and righteous people on the planet. sorry if your country and it's people haven't been such a *huge* net plus for the world like America has ... not everyone can live in such an incredible and vibrant place ....
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yeah we just love your 'peacekeeping' missions in the middle-east (or as is referred to here much more prevalently 'corporate terrorism' missions in the middle-east). We feel so much safer at night knowing america has taken up occupation in lands where they are unwanted, sticking a stick in a hornets nest as it were. We're so glad that being allied to america politically we are now forever stuck on the target list of extremist muslim terrorists. We're so glad your economy bullies our economy/politicians at a whim, and our dollar is so closely linked to yours that our economy is taking a nosedive because of america's ridiculous debt. But, yeah, thanks, we love your blanket of security.

talent and creativity come from an economy that can support people doing things that arent essential like farming, building etc etc.. an economy built on the back of the third world. Righteous isn't murdering innocent middle-easterners who have no affiliation with extremist islam, more people have been killed in the name of american peacekeeping than in the name of islam.
 
gaspah said:
yeah we just love your 'peacekeeping' missions in the middle-east (or as is referred to here much more prevalently 'corporate terrorism' missions in the middle-east). We feel so much safer at night knowing america has taken up occupation in lands where they are unwanted, sticking a stick in a hornets nest as it were. We're so glad that being allied to america politically we are now forever stuck on the target list of extremist muslim terrorists. We're so glad your economy bullies our economy/politicians at a whim, and our dollar is so closely linked to yours that our economy is taking a nosedive because of america's ridiculous debt. But, yeah, thanks, we love your blanket of security.

talent and creativity come from an economy that can support people doing things that arent essential like farming, building etc etc.. an economy built on the back of the third world. Righteous isn't murdering innocent middle-easterners who have no affiliation with extremist islam, more people have been killed in the name of american peacekeeping than in the name of islam.
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Lots of countries are in Iraq. Try and keep up with the news sometimes. We just have more people to spare.
 
gaspah said:
yeah we just love your 'peacekeeping' missions in the middle-east (or as is referred to here much more prevalently 'corporate terrorism' missions in the middle-east). We feel so much safer at night knowing america has taken up occupation in lands where they are unwanted, sticking a stick in a hornets nest as it were. We're so glad that being allied to america politically we are now forever stuck on the target list of extremist muslim terrorists. We're so glad your economy bullies our economy/politicians at a whim, and our dollar is so closely linked to yours that our economy is taking a nosedive because of america's ridiculous debt. But, yeah, thanks, we love your blanket of security.

talent and creativity come from an economy that can support people doing things that arent essential like farming, building etc etc.. an economy built on the back of the third world. Righteous isn't murdering innocent middle-easterners who have no affiliation with extremist islam, more people have been killed in the name of american peacekeeping than in the name of islam.
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lol ok, i didn't know you were that much of a crackpot....

sad part is, there isn't a shred of truth (or anything grounded in reality) in your post ....
 
besides, if america is that abhorrent to you... i can't think of a worse forum for you to be a member of than the [H]forum ... texas based, about as americana as you can get....
 
We all know Great Britain has never sinned against this world. :rolleyes:
We all know Great Brittain is a peaceful, crime free paradise of free thought. :rolleyes:
We all know the US is evil for, well, everything we do or think. :rolleyes:
We all know that the US is filled with nothing but gun toting rednecks, and gang bangers running around killing each other. :rolleyes: (Well maybe in Detroit, DC, and Arkansas that is true. ;) )
We all know that everything American is wrong. :rolleyes:
We all know it is America's fault, whatever it is. :rolleyes:

Ridiculous as it is, many people outside the US believe that about the US, aside from the first two sentences anyway. Seems we found one of them. :(

But what does this have to do with a guy beating down a robber trying to steal his laptop again?
 
GORANKAR said:
We all know Great Britain has never sinned against this world. :rolleyes:
We all know Great Brittain is a peaceful, crime free paradise of free thought. :rolleyes:
We all know the US is evil for, well, everything we do or think. :rolleyes:
We all know that the US is filled with nothing but gun toting rednecks, and gang bangers running around killing each other. :rolleyes: (Well maybe in Detroit, DC, and Arkansas that is true. ;) )
We all know that everything American is wrong. :rolleyes:
We all know it is America's fault, whatever it is. :rolleyes:

Ridiculous as it is, many people outside the US believe that about the US, aside from the first two sentences anyway. Seems we found one of them. :(

But what does this have to do with a guy beating down a robber trying to steal his laptop again?
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meh, give it a rest... i think all americans (myself included.... myself especially) should just get on with our lives and leave the rest of the world to keep on hating on us

but yea, us americans should leave this america hate-fest circle jerk the europeans and many others have been having lately behind ....
 
Atamido said:
A head shot, sure. But hitting them in most of the body will leave someone on an adrenaline rush at least several seconds to keep coming at you. People don't instantly drop when shot in the chest like in the movies. And you can cross 8 feet in half of a second. Shooting someone in the chest at 8 feet that is coming at your with a knife means you're probably going to get stabbed, unless you get the head or a kneecap.

Personally, I'd keep shooting until he was down while backing up.

Atamido said:
They don't use swords on a battlefield because you don't want to be close to your opponent. In close combat in WWII, the wooden gun butts were still pretty useful for hitting an opponent. Once they switched to lightweight butts, it pissed off a lot of people that expected their gun not to break if they had to club somebody.

These days I doubt a whole lot of engagements happen all that close. I'm not sure as I'm not on the battlefield myself. Everything is give and take. There are plenty of problems using wood as buttstock material such as swelling, weight, etc.

Atamido said:
I think you need to read more carefully. When you eyeballs and nose/mouth/throat are swiss cheese, it's pretty hard to attack someone. Where did I say anything about killing anyone? At close range, within a couple of meters, birdshot is extremely effective against a person's face, and you don't even need very good aim.
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If I hit someone in the face with buckshot it will be 10x more effective than birdshot would be. Birdshot is not a good defense load. Yeah, you just try getting an accurate head shot at normal distances inside your house with birdshot under the duress of attack. :rolleyes: Shotgun spreads on birdshot or buck shot aren't like a 6 foot wall of lead. Aiming is VERY necessary. Again look at ballistic data. Generally it is accepted that bullets and shotgun pellets need to penetrate 12" in standard ordnance gelatin in order to be effective in a fight. Bird shot can not do this. It is lucky to penetrate 4" into gelatin.

Bird shot is crap for self-defense. There is plenty of data supporting this. You are misinformed.
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no no no.. i dont hate america, i hate little american punks telling me what a great service america does for the rest of the world... america does what it does for america not for anyone else...
 
and im not from Britain. but if find it ironic that as an American you dont know how to spell Britain...:rolleyes:
 
gaspah said:
and im not from Britain. but if find it ironic that as an American you dont know how to spell Britain...:rolleyes:
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and this is why America is #1. See in America the only thing that matters sometimes is knowing how to do your job well. If not knowing how to spell Britain right is irrelevant for getting your workload done, then fine no ones going to give a damn. I can think of several friends who probably wouldn't know how to spell Britain correctly but they still get paid rather well and they get paid for their it/ hardware expertise and not for knowing random small shit. America only really cares if you're an expert in the field that you work in and therefore rewards you with a proportional paycheck. Now whether you want to spend your time after work reading up on european history or just watching tv and playing games is up to you.

This is also probably why USA is still in the lead for worked productivity.
 
gaspah said:
and im not from Britain. but if find it ironic that as an American you dont know how to spell Britain...:rolleyes:
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but if find it ironic? I, that's an "eye", not "IF".

If one person doesn't know how to spell a certain word right, "Britain" in this case, get off their damn back. :rolleyes: (Britian is close enough to know what someone means). Anyways, birdshot sucks, buckshot is better, and .45ACP or .50AE is good too.
 
gaspah said:
and im not from Britain. but if find it ironic that as an American you dont know how to spell Britain...:rolleyes:
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No your from Australia. And since I know some Australian history, didn't you guys start largely as a place where Britain sent convicts?
 
Zellio2009 said:
Isn't coming to an american site to post anti american non-sense considered trolling?
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I think that would be considered trolling anywhere except a form for anti-American non-sense. I just find it both ironic and completely stupid.
 
gaspah said:
yeah we just love your 'peacekeeping' missions in the middle-east (or as is referred to here much more prevalently 'corporate terrorism' missions in the middle-east). We feel so much safer at night knowing america has taken up occupation in lands where they are unwanted, sticking a stick in a hornets nest as it were. We're so glad that being allied to america politically we are now forever stuck on the target list of extremist muslim terrorists. We're so glad your economy bullies our economy/politicians at a whim, and our dollar is so closely linked to yours that our economy is taking a nosedive because of america's ridiculous debt. But, yeah, thanks, we love your blanket of security.

talent and creativity come from an economy that can support people doing things that arent essential like farming, building etc etc.. an economy built on the back of the third world. Righteous isn't murdering innocent middle-easterners who have no affiliation with extremist islam, more people have been killed in the name of american peacekeeping than in the name of islam.
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gaspah said:
no no no.. i dont hate america, i hate little american punks telling me what a great service america does for the rest of the world... america does what it does for america not for anyone else...
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gaspah said:
and i said middle-east not iraq
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gaspah said:
and im not from Britain. but if find it ironic that as an American you dont know how to spell Britain...:rolleyes:
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If you're going to derail this thread into America bashing, could you at least throw in some grammar, capitalize a letter or 2, or consolidate your off-topic nonsense into fewer posts?

Thanks,

Everyone
 
Of course he can't. Because he's not from America, which automatically means he is some sort of genius and not a gun toting redneck :rolleyes:
 
Knock of the anti-American nonsense. You won't win anyone over with that attitude. That is not what this thread is about. It is about a geek having drawing a line and defending himself against some scum bag theif and what we all think about it. You come from a country that has subjects, not free citizens. You come from a place that doesn't seem to care about the rights of the individual who denies its own people the right to defend themselves from aggression. Your country would throw a man in jail and charge him with murder for defending his home and his loved ones from two theiving pieces of shit. Your country thinks it makes sense to punish the good guy. There is something fundementally wrong with that.

There is a reason police carry guns. There is a reason why they are authorized to use deadly force in certain situations. It is because that is sometimes what is required. It is no less true for a man protecting his home as it is for the police. If you think it is you need a reality check.
 
Some people are just dependent off government. They do anything they say and rely on them for everything. Safety, healthcare, medicine, jobs, education, etc. Myself, I realize the government sucks at nearly everything they do, and they're the most inefficient people at managing my money. If that isn't apparently clear, there must be a mental disconnect somewhere. I'd rather rely on myself for everything, because I am confident and have the will power to get things done in an efficient manor. The second I become reliant and give in to government for everything is the day I lose my freedoms. Some people should take a read of "How to catch a wild hog".
 
w1retap said:
Some people are just dependent off government. They do anything they say and rely on them for everything. Safety, healthcare, medicine, jobs, education, etc. Myself, I realize the government sucks at nearly everything they do, and they're the most inefficient people at managing my money. If that isn't apparently clear, there must be a mental disconnect somewhere. I'd rather rely on myself for everything, because I am confident and have the will power to get things done in an efficient manor. The second I become reliant and give in to government for everything is the day I lose my freedoms. Some people should take a read of "How to catch a wild hog".
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That is the thing many people don't seem to grasp. The Police can not be counted on to come and save you. An encounter with a thief could last for only seconds or just a few short minutes. Where I live Police response time to a 911 emergency call is 10 to 15 minutes. You have to remember that the Police are not legally accountable for your safety. They react to crime. By nature of the way the Police forces work they aren't really proactive in preventing crime. The idea of a "innocent until proven guilty" system of justice prevents them from acting against someone before that person commits a crime. Too much can happen in the 10 or 15 minutes it will take to get Police on the scene. It is very likely that whatever happened regarding the robbery, rape, murder or whatever will be long since over for all practical purposes by the time the Police arrive. Sure they might be able to gather evidence and catch the guy after the fact but by then the damage will have already been done to myself, my girlfriend, my home. If I wait for the Police to help me I very well could end up dead. If someone has to die that night I'd rather it be the scumbag piece of shit who broke into my house for whatever reason.
 
jellyhead said:
No need to feel sorry, but thanks all the same, mate! I quite like the UK - sure, it rains a lot & we pay a hefty premium for our computer bits; however, at least we don’t have to worry (too much) about getting shot (on purpose or by accident).

You Yanks are a lot of fun, and for the most part I admire your spirit - but really, you can keep your gun law. We Brits generally sort things out with a good old fashioned ‘kicking’; more often than not, that suffices.
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Violent melee attacks including knife crimes, the occasional rape or two ( including a guy raped by another guy on the London Underground and two girls aged 13 and 14 raped by a bunch of cheering guys behind a McDonalds ) and cheery, annual race riots:

http://search.bbc.co.uk/search?go=homepage&scope=all&tab=all&q=race+riots&Search=Search

Yes, those are the things that I miss about "Not-So-Great" Britain. Those were the last, most memorable news reports ~ June 1994.

I don't see the UK being much different from the US, one has gun control and a better public education system but that's all.


jellyhead said:
That said, I appreciate the playing field is somewhat different over there. I’m just glad that I’ve not had to adapt to such rules of engagement – and hope that I never shall. My folks live in South Africa (Durban) and I have other family in Johannesburg. I choose not to live there either ; )
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"Codification of the right to keep and bear arms into the Bill of Rights was influenced by a fear that the federal government would disarm the people in order to impose rule through a standing army or select militia,[2] since history had shown taking away the people's arms and making it an offense for people to keep them was the way tyrants eliminated resistance to suppression of political opponents."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second_Amendment_to_the_United_States_Constitution
 
Azhar said:
I wonder how many of you guys would REALLY attack a burglar. It's too easy to beat your chest and say bring it on, and when it actually happens, you'll be under your bed sucking your thumbs. :p
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Inanimate objects are always replaceable and that's what insurance is for. Not to fault the guy but if his work is that important he should have backups, on and off site. Could have just as easily been a fire or a flash flood that wiped out that data.

I think what he did was stupid, even if he did prevail, he could have easily gotten killed or seriously injured.

That said, I would attack a burglar. Not over a laptop mind you, but I've got a wife and two kids and when I feel they're threatened, action comes before rational thought. If I heard someone in my house that wasn't supposed to be there, I'm not going to politely ask them what they're doing. As soon as I become aware that they're not friend or family, they're dead, weapon or not. Their life is not worth the chance of something bad happening to someone in my family. I'd sooner spend the rest of my life in prison for being overzealous in protecting my family than spend the rest of my life knowing something bad happened to them because I hesitated.

Besides, if I stick a knife in their hand from the kitchen after they're dead, no cop is going to investigate a clear-cut case of justifiable homicide.
 
gaspah said:
no no no.. i dont hate america, i hate little american punks telling me what a great service america does for the rest of the world... america does what it does for america not for anyone else...
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Be thankful the majortiy of people in your country do not preach what you are preaching because....you know.... it's not like the U.S. have ever sent troops over there to fight a fight that wasn't ours to save your ass from being over run....wait. Yes we have, nevermind. :rolleyes:




We love our brothers and isters across the pond because we got their back, they got ours.
 
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