HP LP2475w (Possible new IPS)

I've ordered HP LP2475W today. In two days it should be on my desk.
We will see how it compares to my current NEC 20WGX2 PRO.
In my country NEC 20WGX2 PRO is still widely aviable (~430 Euros).
HP LP2475W is only marginally more expansive (~485 Euros).

Regards.
 
More info from TFTCentral

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Thanks albovin... This seems pretty bad. Almost seems like gamma shift on PVA is less pain in the ass, but perhaps it's a bit exagerrated by the camera.

HP LP3065 (30") should also be an H-IPS panel without A-TW polarizer and I definitely can't notice this effect during real world use (and 45 degrees is quite normal angle when you show something on the display to another person).
 
Hm... now I'm reading that it has green frame. As a programmer, I usually have a lot of black terminal windows on the screen and maybe one or two white windows (finder, etc.) I've read that this can cause problems when glancing from one place on the screen to another - the green frame is not mixed with the other frames properly in the eye and the white window "seems" (at least subconsciously) to be green for a split second... Does it really suck as much as I've read?
 
lukasmach said:
Thanks albovin... This seems pretty bad. Almost seems like gamma shift on PVA is less pain in the ass, but perhaps it's a bit exagerrated by the camera.

HP LP3065 (30") should also be an H-IPS panel without A-TW polarizer and I definitely can't notice this effect during real world use (and 45 degrees is quite normal angle when you show something on the display to another person).
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I wouldn't say it's so bad. Regular LCD angle glow. The lack of A-TW polarizer makes noticeable difference when compared to the NEC. That's it.
But HP 2475 is very good from a regular working position straight on. Could be excellent without wide gamut...

PVA has both colorshift and LCD angle glow. They are "colorshifty" from any position.


45 degrees is quite normal angle when you show something on the display to another person
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And 60, and 70 too - it's IPS.
LCD glow appears on IPS from diagonal angles most of all.
Another "reason" for the glow to appear is having A-TW monitor somewhere close.

the green frame is not mixed with the other frames properly in the eye and the white window "seems" (at least subconsciously) to be green for a split second... Does it really suck as much as I've read?
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I have no answer.
Would love to know what it is and why it is there.
Wide gamut Dell (2408, 2709W) have the green frame too.
Can it come from WG technology?
Unknown WG side effect?
 
my table sometimes knocks the cable to the monitor PSU and monitor goes off and i have to fiddle the cable to get it on.

Anybody experience this ?
 
PawelPawlak said:
I've ordered HP LP2475W today. In two days it should be on my desk.
We will see how it compares to my current NEC 20WGX2 PRO.
In my country NEC 20WGX2 PRO is still widely aviable (~430 Euros).
HP LP2475W is only marginally more expansive (~485 Euros).

Regards.
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where only 485 ?????
 
How does a game (unreal 3 , half-life 2, stalker, supreme commander , ... ) look like if you dont use the native resolution (stretched or 1:1 pixel) ?
 
Caine Thanatos said:
How does a game (unreal 3 , half-life 2, stalker, supreme commander , ... ) look like if you dont use the native resolution (stretched or 1:1 pixel) ?
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That's pretty much the same on any TFT monitor: because the image you're trying to display doesn't map directly onto the pixel grid, it has to be scaled up to fill the screen (or at least the aspect ratio). This results in the image looking blurrier. In my opinion it looks horrendous for desktop usage; for games it can be somewhat more acceptable, but native resolution with antialiasing is definitely preferable.

kmetek said:
comparing a 1000€ to 500€ very good :rolleyes:
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It does show what the A-TW polariser does.. but, yeah, if you're in the market for the NEC then you probably wouldn't be looking at the HP.
 
I have the NEC and I knew the HP was available soon. The polarizer wasn't the difference (but is nice). The biggest factor was I wanted a normal standard sRGB gamut monitor so all content would look right without jumping through hoops. If this was a sRGB monitor, I would have it now instead of my NEC. I think that is the biggest difference.

If you want a wide gamut 24" I think the HP is the best one.
 
Has anyone in the US ordered their HP from one of the sites that offer it for around $630?
 
Just pulled the trigger on costcentral.com for $624.67 shipped. REALLY hoping it will ship from PA so I get it before the weekend.
 
MrSlacker said:
Has anyone in the US ordered their HP from one of the sites that offer it for around $630?
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I ordered it last week from Cost Central in PA. They shipped it FedEx ground on the 15th for $625. To my surprise, it was delivered this morning, but I wasn't home.

They will re-deliver tomorrow.

Edit: I live in NYC. According to the Fedex shipment report, it seems the package was picked up from a warehouse in NJ. Which explains why it was delivered quick.
 
I'm not sure where to buy this from. After a nightmare with Newegg to return my crappy Doublesight, I'd prefer a place with a good return policy.

Provantage now has it for $621.99

CDW has it for $639.99

I don't mind spending a litte more a CDW if their return policy is better. (from the posts here it sounds good)

Does anyone know how Provantage is to deal with on monitor returns? Thanks.
 
Jose R said:
I ordered it last week from Cost Central in PA. They shipped it FedEx ground on the 15th for $625. To my surprise, it was delivered this morning, but I wasn't home.

They will re-deliver tomorrow.

Edit: I live in NYC. According to the Fedex shipment report, it seems the package was picked up from a warehouse in NJ. Which explains why it was delivered quick.
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Thats EXACTLY what I wanted to hear! :)

I am also in NYC so can't wait to get it. Now if anything, we can compare our LCDs in person heh
 
philjohn said:
I had the same problem (though nowhere near as bad as you describe) with the left and right sides, sent it back for a new one and "touch wood" this one is fine, probably just another example of LG.Display's "quality control" IMHO.
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Did you send it back to retailer or HP - and how fast was turnaround? (I have same green/pink problem)
 
elcomandante said:
Did you send it back to retailer or HP - and how fast was turnaround? (I have same green/pink problem)
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Sent it back to retailer here in the UK, they picked up thursday evening, but because it was after the cutoff for sending another one out I didn't get the replacement until monday.

HP monitor (well, workstation) support seems very good here in the UK as you get through to an Irish call centre who seem pretty knowledgable and able to help.
 
Finally got mine last night. I ordered from HP US and can confirm that the US version is the same IPS panel as the European version. I haven't had much of a chance to play with it yet, but here are my initial thoughts.

Pixels/Defects - So far so good. I haven't noticed any bad or stuck pixels. The backlight uniformity is pretty good. It isn't perfect, but no monitor is. The lower left corner is a tad darker than the rest of the screen, but you can only see it if you are trying to find it. In regular use I don't notice it.

Brightness - WOW, you guys weren't kidding, at default 90 brightness it was like staring at the sun. I instantly turned the brightness down to 10 and it was still a little bright (calibrating to 120cd/m2 required turning the brightness down to 6).

Wide Gamut - Before calibration, people in every photo had bad sunburns. It wasn't ridiculous like with some monitors, but I am glad I have a colorimeter. After calibration even non color-aware apps look pretty decent. Not perfect, but a lot better. Color aware apps look great.

Black depth - My LP2475w is sitting next to a Samsung 971p (VA panel). The Samsung has noticeably darker blacks, but then there are few LCDs that can rival the 971p in this regard. I wouldn't say the 971p has BETTER blacks though, as the VA panel black crush really ruins any dark images. The shadow detail on the LP2475w is excellent in comparison. My initial calibration was a quick one using just Eyematch. I'm hoping a proper calibration using BCC first to measure luminance and such will give even better results. We'll see.

Viewing angles - This is my first IPS monitor and after only a few hours of usage, I will never buy another panel technology again. I've used TNs and *VAs and there is really no comparison. Even looking at the monitors dead on, a VA or TN screen doesn't look uniform all the way across. Basically, the best way I can describe it is that when looking at an image on a VA or TN monitor, I am always aware that I am looking at a monitor, when looking at the same image on this IPS panel, it is almost like staring at a print or drawing or something. No color shifts, no contrast shifts, no glare or sparkles, just a beautifully uniform image. Extreme off angle viewing, of course, demonstrates the white glow typical of all non NEC x90 monitors, but that is pretty minor compared to the off-angle viewing characteristics of VA and TN panels, and is a non-issue for me anyway.

Noise/heat - There is no noticeable noise coming from the monitor, at least none that I can hear over the ambient noise of the room. There is a little heat coming from the vents on the top of the monitor, but it isn't much, and you only notice it if you put your hand over the vents. It doesn't blow heat into your face like some monitors.

Input lag/ghosting - I haven't had a lot of time to game with this monitor yet, but I did load up HL2 and Bioshock for a few mins each. This monitor replaced a nice CRT that recently bit the dust and I was afraid that input lag and/or ghosting might be a problem for me. In my initial testing I didn't notice any significant issues. If I had the CRT right next to the LCD, perhaps I'd notice a slight difference when switching back and forth between the two, but without the CRT to compare, it seems fine.

Stand/Ergonomics - The stand is definitely ugly, but as many have said, it doesn't look quite as bad in person. The monitor snaps into the stand easily and can be removed very easily. Adjusting the height/swivel/rotation is simple. It is simply a very nice stand (aside from aesthetic issues, of course).

Scaling/PIP/Other inputs besides DVI - I haven't tested these yet, I'll report back when I do.

So far I am very impressed with this monitor. I haven't found any significant flaws yet. I will update these initial impressions once I have spent more time with it.

If anyone has any questions or wants me to test something, I'd be happy to help. Keep in mind that I don't have a good digital camera though... so unless you want useless cell phone pics, I really can't help in that regard.
 
just dropped my green at cost central so im looking forward.... i hear nothing but spectacular things... once its calibrated.
 
omechengineeru said:
for those of us without a hardware calibrator :( what are your settings?
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I've gone ahead and ordered one to arrive next week myself, and would like some advice on calibration too; of course without a colourimeter it won't be as good, but I can't warrant paying the prices they ask for those (I'm not a graphics professional) and would be happy with pretty good colours if I can get them with some manual adjustments?
 
rgazaway said:
This unit, has a 350k color temp delta between about three inches off the left side versus about three inches off the right side. This is enough so that when reading a web page and scanning/reading from the left/beginning of a line to the right/end of the line I'm constantly assaulted with green/pink white point shifts.
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I also experience a green/pink problem - maybe similar to that described by rgazaway. If I look straight at the centre of the monitor on a white screen - the centre appears white, glance to the left of the screen and there is a hint of green in the white. glance to the right of the panel and there is a strong hint of pink/red in the white. The monitor also has a faint hum - very noticable on the first half hour after turning on. Lastly - the panel cannot sit parallel to the desktop - seems there is a fault in the way the stand is made. It allows for rotation to portrait mode but there is no lock to hold the panel parallel so it always falls down at the right hand side slightly. My monitor is being returned.
 
GroupB said:
I'm not sure where to buy this from. After a nightmare with Newegg to return my crappy Doublesight, I'd prefer a place with a good return policy.

Provantage now has it for $621.99

CDW has it for $639.99

I don't mind spending a litte more a CDW if their return policy is better. (from the posts here it sounds good)

Does anyone know how Provantage is to deal with on monitor returns? Thanks.
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They have great customer service. I bought a 22" 1920X1200 Lenovo from them and it had dead pixels and was exchanged without problem. The replacement also had pixel defect and they were willing to let me exchange for another one. But I decided against it and got my refund instead.

I just got my LP2475 from PCNation today. The monitor seems perfect with no pixel defect. I don't know if it is supposed to come with a CD. There was none. I have Mac it's probably useless to me anyway.

The monitor works fine with my Mac Pro.
 
Ok. Here are some settings that suit well my configuration. I've tried several variations but the best I've found (at least with nvidia 7/8 series graphic cards) are the following :

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This are the RGB settings. They are very close to 6500k, as they are between 6533 and 6570K)

RED = 246
GREEN = 238
BLUE = 226

Brightness = 12 (This gives a black Luminance of 0.21 cd/m2. Perhaps 11 or 10 could also suit)
Contrast = 82 (Here the white luminance is very close to 120 cd/m2)

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*** This settings, were already close to the callibrated profile, which is a very good point. Of course, once calibrated the icc profile operates a small correction that improves colour, and is clearly noticiable, specially in black and white pictures.

Calibration does not correct the wide gamut problem, excep in color managed programs, It just makes it more bearable. Anyway this is a question of time, because now even some TN pannels are clamming to be wide gamut, so in a year most software shoud be color managed.

For those who are also iterested in the calibraded profile, I've uploaded it to rapidshare and mediafire. Adobe gama loader or even the demo of BasICColor Display (without registration) can load the profile at startup to the LUT's Graphic Card.

Rapidshare :

http://rapidshare.com/files/145991074/HP-LP2475w-Profile_C-82_B-12__D65-2.2-120-0.20_.rar.html

or Mediafire :

http://www.mediafire.com/download.php?aidng4ljxgo

Let me know if this is also suitable for your configurations. It would be great if this settigs also improved color with ATI graphic cards.

Regards.
 
Im a Mac user and had owned the Dell 2408WFP for a week but had to return it for a full refund due to rev00 issues of bad sharpness controls & green/pink tint. Also the PVA contrast shift was very frustrating and more frustrating was the wide gamut. Reds and Greens were Neon cartoonish. Yes admitantly I didn't have a calibrator but honestly web browsing was a joke on that monitor.

When The HP LP2475 was announced I was so excited, IPS panel, PIP etc etc but oh no it has wide gamut! I only have available to me either the spyder2express or spyder3. The latter one is over my price range - Im not pro so pro results don't matter however do calibrators do ok with wide gamut screens?

Im so close to purchasing this screen as I cant live with the Apple Cinema's "sparkle" matte screens of the 23" and 30"
 
Mithent said:
Thanks for posting that - I'll have a go once I get my monitor next week. I also have an Nvidia 8-series card.
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The settings have certainly helped my colours and will be a decent stop-gap measure until I get around to ordering an Eye One Display LT.
 
For those with personal experience, who has a great return policy with this monitor in stock. Thanks
 
MrSlacker said:
After cheapest shipping option, it is no longer the best deal.
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You're absolutely right, Mr. Slacker. Sparco is only the best pricing if shipping to Calif where tax is usually more than the shipping and they offer a way to avoid that. Otherwise, you're better off with free shipping from PCNation, CostCentral, PCSuperstore (unless you'd have tax if they are shipping from within YOUR state).
 
scivian said:
For those with personal experience, who has a great return policy with this monitor in stock. Thanks
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To anyone interested: I decided to buy from HP directly. On average $50 more after tax and 2 day shipping, but I can return for any reason for $15 restocking fee. One dead pixel they replace for free. Friendly and helpful customer service. I hate Ca. tax too but...
 
scivian said:
To anyone interested: I decided to buy from HP directly. On average $50 more after tax and 2 day shipping, but I can return for any reason for $15 restocking fee. One dead pixel they replace for free. Friendly and helpful customer service. I hate Ca. tax too but...
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Ahh, the cost of peace-of-mind.

Can anyone tell me if this would be a good choice as a gaming monitor?
 
scivian said:
To anyone interested: I decided to buy from HP directly. On average $50 more after tax and 2 day shipping, but I can return for any reason for $15 restocking fee. One dead pixel they replace for free. Friendly and helpful customer service. I hate Ca. tax too but...
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By $15 did you mean 15%? That's what HP states on their website.

I will probably be purchasing this directly from HP later tonight. I hope you're right about their return policy. I'll investigate...
 
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