Largest Particle Collider Conducts Successful Test


The article does not address any of the questions I posed, but instead avoids them by making the same ridiculous claims of "certainty" such as:

If a black hole is produced under Geneva, might it swallow Switzerland and continue on a ravenous rampage until the earth is devoured?

It’s a reasonable question with a definite answer: no.


The evidence presented for this "definite" answer is that Hawking's theory is 100% correct, and since it hasn't happened before, it won't happen now.

If I'm a chicken little for not letting that 100% comfort me, then so be it. Just because 100 people agree that something is impossible, it does not make it impossible. Where is the proof? There is none. If there were, we would have seen it by now, instead of incessant assurances that they have 'definite' answers that include no conclusive evidence.
 
The article does not address any of the questions I posed, but instead avoids them by making the same ridiculous claims of "certainty" such as:

If a black hole is produced under Geneva, might it swallow Switzerland and continue on a ravenous rampage until the earth is devoured?

It’s a reasonable question with a definite answer: no.

The evidence presented for this "definite" answer is that Hawking's theory is 100% correct, and since it hasn't happened before, it won't happen now.

If I'm a chicken little for not letting that 100% comfort me, then so be it. Just because 100 people agree that something is impossible, it does not make it impossible. Where is the proof? There is none. If there were, we would have seen it by now, instead of incessant assurances that they have 'definite' answers that include no conclusive evidence.


From what i've read, the odds of a giant space rock striking the planet and killing everything on it are greater than this creating a sustained singularity or stranglets.
 
The article does not address any of the questions I posed, but instead avoids them by making the same ridiculous claims of "certainty" such as:

If a black hole is produced under Geneva, might it swallow Switzerland and continue on a ravenous rampage until the earth is devoured?

It’s a reasonable question with a definite answer: no.
Too bad you stopped reading there. Right after:
It’s a reasonable question with a definite answer: no.

Work that made Stephen Hawking famous establishes that tiny black holes would disintegrate in a minuscule fraction of a second, long enough for physicists to reap the benefits of having produced them, but short enough to avoid their wreacking any havoc.

Even so, some have worried further that maybe Dr. Hawking was wrong and such black holes don’t disintegrate. Are we willing to bet the fate of the planet on an untested insight? And that question takes us to the crux of the matter: the collisions at the Large Hadron Collider have never before occurred under laboratory settings, but they’ve been taking place throughout the universe — even here on earth — for billions of years.

Cosmic rays — particles wafting through space — constantly rain down on the earth, the other planets and the wealth of stars scattered throughout the galaxy, with energies far in excess of those attainable by the Large Hadron Collider. And since these more powerful collisions haven’t resulted in astrophysical calamities, the collider’s comparatively tame collisions most assuredly won’t either.
 
Yes, I read the whole article, thanks.

Here are the quotes with the words the author should have used if he wanted to be truthful:


Work that made Stephen Hawking famous theorizes that tiny black holes should disintegrate in a minuscule fraction of a second, long enough for physicists to reap the benefits of having produced them, but short enough to avoid their wreacking any havoc.

Even so, some have worried further that maybe Dr. Hawking was wrong and such black holes don’t disintegrate. Are we willing to bet the fate of the planet on an untested insight? And that question takes us to the crux of the matter: the collisions at the Large Hadron Collider have never before occurred under laboratory settings, but similar collisions that result in singularities traveling at stellar escape velocites have been taking place throughout the universe — even here on earth — for billions of years.

Cosmic rays — particles wafting through space — constantly rain down on the earth, the other planets and the wealth of stars scattered throughout the galaxy, with energies far in excess of those attainable by the Large Hadron Collider. And since these more powerful collisions haven’t resulted in astrophysical calamities that we have observed, the collider’s comparatively tame collisions probably won’t either.

The crux of my concern is twofold:
1.) Hawking radiation and black hole evaporation are posits of a theory, and unproven. If incorrect, a stable singularity could result. Even if Hawking is 100% right, the interaction between a singularity and solar neutrinos/dark matter that is all around us (according to theory) is unknown, and itself may allow the singularity to grow despite losses due to Hawking radiation.
2.) Stable singularities may be created all the time in the upper atmosphere, but would in all cases have velocities approaching half the speed of light, and would be out of contact with the planet immediately. A stable singularity with zero or low velocity relative to the earth or sun would be something that has NOT been created in nature by any process, period.
 
Yes, I read the whole article, thanks.

Here are the quotes with the words the author should have used if he wanted to be truthful:






The crux of my concern is twofold:
1.) Hawking radiation and black hole evaporation are posits of a theory, and unproven. If incorrect, a stable singularity could result. Even if Hawking is 100% right, the interaction between a singularity and solar neutrinos/dark matter that is all around us (according to theory) is unknown, and itself may allow the singularity to grow despite losses due to Hawking radiation.
2.) Stable singularities may be created all the time in the upper atmosphere, but would in all cases have velocities approaching half the speed of light, and would be out of contact with the planet immediately. A stable singularity with zero or low velocity relative to the earth or sun would be something that has NOT been created in nature by any process, period.


Another thing to consider.
Who says a singularity would be tethered to earths gravity? Perhaps another force would act upon it, or it would stay stationary in its XYZ coordinates in space, while Earth and the Sun are in constant motion. Perhaps the Micro Singularity, if it persists will simply cut a atom thin hole through the planet as it escapes, causing no damage at all.

That’s the whole problem with every sci-fi show ever created that deals with things like time travel too. The Earth’s XYZ is NEVER in the same place for more than a fraction of a second, the entire planet rotates, revolves around the sun, the Solar System itself is Revolving around the galactic core and the galaxy its self is in motion through stellar drift.
 
Yes, I read the whole article, thanks.

Here are the quotes with the words the author should have used if he wanted to be truthful:
Interesting that you don't hold yourself to the same standard.

1) The creation of micro black holes from the more energetic collisions are an even more tenuous part of string theory, and unproven.
2) I'd like to see the math in that, especially considering the range of energies involved. But whatever, the real trick is that you managed to pull that out while sitting down. :p

I've already pointed out the irrationality of your belief. Cling on to it if you want. :rolleyes:
 
Another thing to consider.
Who says a singularity would be tethered to earths gravity? Perhaps another force would act upon it, or it would stay stationary in its XYZ coordinates in space, while Earth and the Sun are in constant motion. Perhaps the Micro Singularity, if it persists will simply cut a atom thin hole through the planet as it escapes, causing no damage at all.

That’s the whole problem with every sci-fi show ever created that deals with things like time travel too. The Earth’s XYZ is NEVER in the same place for more than a fraction of a second, the entire planet rotates, revolves around the sun, the Solar System itself is Revolving around the galactic core and the galaxy its self is in motion through stellar drift.

a microsingularity would be pulled to the center of the earth if created here. it is unlikely to run into any matter, as even in solid matter there is enormous amunts of free space. so it would sit at the center, and very slowly grow as it runs into atomic particles by chance


obviously, over time, this could become a bit of an issue.
 
a microsingularity would be pulled to the center of the earth if created here. it is unlikely to run into any matter, as even in solid matter there is enormous amunts of free space. so it would sit at the center, and very slowly grow as it runs into atomic particles by chance


obviously, over time, this could become a bit of an issue.

Here’s an Idea..

Maybe all of those High energy Particle Collisions with the upper atmosphere every day DO create micro singularities that get pulled to the center of the Earth.. Giving us our gravity well?
 
Maybe all those micro singularities actually are the dark matter?

hehe
guys please!! leave all the physics mumjo jumbo to the physicists pleeeease!!! :D
we have to discuss hardware!!

do u know that all the PCs over at the CERN are on 24/7 !!!! even the ones on offices! yeah running GRID :rolleyes:
 
I'll start the countdown to the end of this tangent universe:

countdowneb3.jpg


tick-tock, tick-tock, tick-tock...

(the time would work out better if this was posted in a week and a half :p)
 
Here’s an Idea..

Maybe all of those High energy Particle Collisions with the upper atmosphere every day DO create micro singularities that get pulled to the center of the Earth.. Giving us our gravity well?

singularities created in such a way would have very high velocity, and with their tiny amount of mass they would not be caught in our gravity well.


and our gravity well is created by the mass of the planet.




Maybe all those micro singularities actually are the dark matter?

que?
 
they are already planning on a follow up accelerator, a linear accelerator called the CLIC
check it
http://preprints.cern.ch/yellowrep/2000/2000-008/p1.pdf
 
leSLIe, why didn't you work for them ? You would have a huge farm to borg for the [H]orde !! :D

 
leSLIe, why didn't you work for them ? You would have a huge farm to borg for the [H]orde !! :D


I actually already tried
they said no :(
apparently they need all their processing power for the CERN GRID :rolleyes:
they use Scientific Linux CERN (which sucks IMHO) besides i don´t have the root password, hehehe
 
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