Windows Mojave

Zetherin

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I came across this earlier today, thought it was interesting, and so decided to share (though I'm sure many of you may have already come across the site, too)

http://www.mojaveexperiment.com

"What do people think of Windows Vista when they don't know it's Windows Vista? We disguised Windows Vista as codename "Mojave", "the next Microsoft OS", so regular people who've never used Windows Vista could see what it could do - and decide for themselves."

Though it's clearly a clever marketing campaign, it actually coincides with how I've personally perceived the operating system. I consistently see a bandwagon of people bashing the OS, many of whom with little to no experience with the actual product. It's one of those social phenomenons where individuals agree with a concentrated whole for no reason; a preconcieved notion with no substance, really.

Oh, and no, I'm not pro Windows Vista, nor am I associated with Microsoft at all. I just find it interesting how humans make decisions.
 
of course it is all an advertising ploy by MS.... do you see any videos of people that still did not liek it in there? nope... if it was unbiased they would have posted them good or bad... either way it is a decent way to get people that only "heard" Vista was bad an refused to even try it, may change their mind.
i myself have used it and installed it plenty and refuse to use it on any of my home systems... everything runs great with XP SP3 and Linux.
 
As far as I'm concerned, XP does everything I need it to. While Vista may be pretty, there aren't any new features that would cause me to upgrade. I'm sure the people in the commercial were just convinced by the eye candy. Too bad they've probably never seen Beryl on Linux :(
 
I came in here hoping I'd find a thread by someone about how great Windows Mojave is and how much they wanted to buy it. I was disappointed :(
 
if they took UAC and bizzaro file permissions bugs out of it, id buy it
 
Vista is great, people are dumb, news at 11.

News at 11? Isn't the news in the article right there? Why wait until 11? :confused:

Either this is a troll post, postcount++ or you honestly think something is going to happen at 11 somewhere.

Anywho, to stay on topic, I checked some of this out a few weeks ago when it was first reported. They claimed something like 90% of people liked Mojave better than Vista, so seeing negative reports in there wouldn't be a common occurrence.

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if they took UAC and bizzaro file permissions bugs out of it, id buy it

UAC is easily turned off, and I'm not aware of these bizarre file permission bugs of which you speak. Vista is a great OS. Probably not good enough to switch to from XP if you already have a working install, but if you're buying/building a new PC, there's absolutely no reason not to go with it.
 
We've discussed this before.. Mojave makes a good point, that too many people are prejudiced against Vista to the point that they wouldn't even consider trying it, but when presented to them without those prejudices they're interested. It prompts people to start posting things like "but Vista sucks!" but the purpose of Mojave isn't so much to say that Vista is great (although obviously Microsoft are hoping you will think that), but that you should try it for yourself rather than blindly believing the FUD.

Incidentally, "News at 11" (usually "Film at 11") is an idiom, usually sarcastically meaning that there's nothing amazing about it:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Film_at_11
 
News at 11? Isn't the news in the article right there? Why wait until 11? :confused:

Either this is a troll post, postcount++ or you honestly think something is going to happen at 11 somewhere.

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*whoosh*

this seriously made me lol. Maybe you've never heard the expression before, but he basically just means that the OP stated something that everybody already knows. your response was priceless.
 
I recently stuck vista on my parents 1.3ghz pentium-m (single core) with 512mb ram and some intel 8xx video


Runs great, but more importantly, they like it and it's a hell of a lot more secure against spyware.


Alternately. i have vista on my c2d/4gb laptop and hate it. its fast and all i just don't like it.
I made it bearable by setting it to the classic theme, turning off UAC, indexing, and system restore. That seemed to make it BLAZING fast.
 
I came across this earlier today, thought it was interesting, and so decided to share (though I'm sure many of you may have already come across the site, too)

http://www.mojaveexperiment.com

"What do people think of Windows Vista when they don't know it's Windows Vista? We disguised Windows Vista as codename "Mojave", "the next Microsoft OS", so regular people who've never used Windows Vista could see what it could do - and decide for themselves."

Though it's clearly a clever marketing campaign, it actually coincides with how I've personally perceived the operating system. I consistently see a bandwagon of people bashing the OS, many of whom with little to no experience with the actual product. It's one of those social phenomenons where individuals agree with a concentrated whole for no reason; a preconcieved notion with no substance, really.

Oh, and no, I'm not pro Windows Vista, nor am I associated with Microsoft at all. I just find it interesting how humans make decisions.

God, I wish people would just freakin' stop with the Mojave nonsense. It is nothing more than the latest pooper scooper full of FUD from Microsoft. Take a group of uninformed people off of the street, show them video and don't actually let them use the OS, don't let them try to use it with their hardware or apps, & wait for hilarity to ensue. Yeah, of course the results were skewed. You think Microsoft didn't know this would happen?

Totally unscientific crap. Microsoft wouldn't have a perception problem if they would put a product out there that is worth using.
 

Hmm, that only makes me question the intelligence of the "smartest". Are they really that smart? Are they really "advanced pc users"? Are they stuck in the past and resistant to change? Am I some how stupid because Vista64 works fine for me?

I wonder, well not really.

This quote is full of irony.

Isn't it though. ;)

To be fair Xp is a great OS, but it is time to move on. Xp will fade away no different than it's predecessors.
 
Totally unscientific crap. Microsoft wouldn't have a perception problem if they would put a product out there that is worth using.

Microsoft wouldn't have a perception problem if idiots who never used Vista didn't go around badmouthing it. It's a great OS, and it's an improvement over XP in nearly every way. Plus, it's pretty clear that it's the preferred OS of techies, considering most of the people around here use Vista, and it doesn't get much more techie than this forum. Only a few ignorant people like screwballl (a very apt name I think, especially since he didn't even spell it properly) go around spreading their lies and false claims.
 
Microsoft wouldn't have a perception problem if idiots who never used Vista didn't go around badmouthing it. It's a great OS, and it's an improvement over XP in nearly every way. Plus, it's pretty clear that it's the preferred OS of techies, considering most of the people around here use Vista, and it doesn't get much more techie than this forum. Only a few ignorant people like screwballl (a very apt name I think, especially since he didn't even spell it properly) go around spreading their lies and false claims.

The preferred OS of techies? An improvement over XP in nearly every way? :rolleyes: I suggest you read this thread.

http://www.hardforum.com/showthread.php?t=1335145
 
Hmm, that only makes me question the intelligence of the "smartest". Are they really that smart? Are they really "advanced pc users"? Are they stuck in the past and resistant to change? Am I some how stupid because Vista64 works fine for me?

more than likely these smart people are stuck with 5 year old shitty hardware and couldnt run vista anyway hence why they cling to xp along with their guns and bibles.
 
yes, because if you have no problem running Vista, no one else should either. I need go polish my bible and read my gun, excuse me.
 
Microsoft wouldn't have a perception problem if idiots who never used Vista didn't go around badmouthing it. It's a great OS,
Thank you. This was a great idea because it exposed the true nature of most VIsta complaints.....ignorance.
The preferred OS of techies? An improvement over XP in nearly every way? :rolleyes: I suggest you read this thread.

http://www.hardforum.com/showthread.php?t=1335145
Are you REALLY going to base your opinions of Vista on the adoption rate in the business world....which is notoriously slow? Really? If you are, you might want to take some time out to understand the many reasons why a business wouldn't quite switch to Vista, that have absolutely nothing to do with Vista at all. The OS itself works great. I use it on 6 different systems without issue. However, of my 30 person company, I am the only one running Vista. Why is that, you say? Well, most of my staff are just getting comfortable with XP. Most of my staff are using 2.5 year old systems that aren't going to run Vista very well, either. We're also a non-profit that doesn't have a huge IT budget, so I only get one ultra-cheap Microsoft purchase a year, thanks to TechSoup. I used 2008's on Office 2007, and I may end up using 2009's purchase on Server 2008 licenses. However, I'll be upgrading their systems throughout 2009, and I will be going with Vista Business on each system.
 
I was getting my hair cut a couple of weeks ago, when my barber mentioned getting a new PC from Costco. He said that he bought it there because he wanted to be able to return it incase he didn't like it...and by "it" he didn't mean the HP computer, he meant Vista. He said he'd heard a lot of bad stuff about it from TV, the Internet "and those Apple commercials."

Then he goes on to say that he was plugging it all in and hooked up his printer. He went over to HP's website to get drivers, but before he could do anything, a popup showed up that said it was installing the drivers already...Vista went out, downloaded the drivers and software that it needed, and installed them (XP would do drivers, but not software..I've had Vista install my Logitech camera software, HP printer software, etc). He was pretty impressed. A sentence after saying how "unsure he is," he's telling me how much he likes some features. After chatting with him about a few other things it really seemed that he liked it, and the only reason he was ever unsure of it was all of the bad press and "reviews." I told him about some things that I liked, and tried to convey some of the other features in a non-technical matter, and by the end of my haircut (during which there were no "accidents") he seemed much more confident in his deicison. No preaching. No "WELL THIS BENCHMARK SAYS!!" Just things that my parents would appreciate about an operating system. Better security, easier device installation, a better media experience, and, yes, eye candy.
 
Vista works.

The reason why many professional shops don't upgrade is because they don't want to deal with badly in-house coded legacy software that may or may not run properly on Vista. Not the OS' fault. It's like saying; I am not upgrading to the 2.6 lolnix kernel, because it sucks! No, that my code only properly complies on 2.4 has nothing to do with me not wanting to upgrade.
 
I believe the News at 11 idiom was from Kentucky Fried Movie. Awesome film btw.

And I haven't seen the full video but: Did any of the users upgrade hardware, install drivers, uninstall or reinstall drivers or applications. Were they allowed to configure a portion of their theme, desktop settings, or were they asked to run a defrag, or navigate around the OS.

Or were they simply given a desktop with Office 2k7 installed and told: Create a word doc, and tell us how beautiful this looks?

Don't get me wrong. I don't mean to bash Vista, I have had very little trouble with the OS, and am basically indifferent to it.

Edited cause I suck at Office generations :(
 
Why do people always pull the "But businesses aren't using it!!!" card when arguing about Vista?:confused:

The reason businesses aren't using it is because most businesses have 10 year old 16bit software to do one thing or another and it doesn't work with Vista. I personally use and have been since beta, at first it had some driver issues (Not Microsoft's fault) but after bad nvidia drivers blew past it has been extremely stable. I haven't had a crash not caused by me (OC'ing) in over a year.
 
+1 for Vista

I'm currently about to upgrade to Vista 64-bit myself when I get a few new parts.

I do agree that most ppl who bash Vista either buy into the Apple marketing ploy or have legacy hardware that do not have any Vista drivers.

As mmtom said if you took the average Joe and gave him a computer with Vista chances are he would be reluctant at first bcuz of the bad press he was exposed to but after some hands-on it will eventually impress him.

Yes Mojave is Microsoft marketing at its best but it does prove a point that most ppl are ignorant due to bad press as opposed to first hand experience.

I enjoy Vista and would never go back to XP. I'm not saying its XP is worse its just that to me Vista makes better use of the tech I have inside my PC and its much more secure.
 
Why do people always pull the "But businesses aren't using it!!!" card when arguing about Vista?:confused:

The reason businesses aren't using it is because most businesses have 10 year old 16bit software to do one thing or another and it doesn't work with Vista. I personally use and have been since beta, at first it had some driver issues (Not Microsoft's fault) but after bad nvidia drivers blew past it has been extremely stable. I haven't had a crash not caused by me (OC'ing) in over a year.

"Most" businesses have 10 year old, 16bit software? What businesses are you talking about? "Most" businesses are adept to change, lest they be left behind in the marketplace. I'd be interested in seeing where you pulled the 16-bit bullshit out of, because I think it came out of your posterior and not any published news source or statistical study.

The reason "most" businesses aren't using Vista (to paraphrase your highly statistical statement) is because their current needs are being met, so there's no motivation to make a change. You don't disrupt your business to perform an IT upgrade that doesn't solve a known set of problems. You integrate the new in with the old, so when you purchase new PCs you get Vista on them; otherwise, you don't demand that the entire workforce upgrades overnight "just because."

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And I haven't seen the full video but: Did any of the users upgrade hardware, install drivers, uninstall or reinstall drivers or applications. Were they allowed to configure a portion of their theme, desktop settings, or were they asked to run a defrag, or navigate around the OS.

Nope. They were asked to rate their impression of Vista out of 10, then given a 10-minute demo catered towards "Mojave" features they might be interested in (using a standard HP laptop with 2GB RAM, as an end-user might purchase), then asked to rate their impression of Mojave.

This is the point at which people say "but this isn't the real user experience!", and that's true - but the point isn't that they made a detailed evaluation of the OS, the idea was to test their prejudices about Vista. These people hadn't used Vista, but had acquired negative opinions about it from what they'd heard, and so gave it low ratings and weren't interested in trying it. When shown Vista without these prejudices, they had a more favourable impression, and wanted to try it. As they note, "Many said they would have rated it higher, but wanted more time to use it themselves."

This tallies with the experience of myself and many other users I've seen on forums etc. - initially wary about Vista due to the bad press, but have subsequently found it to be a good OS.

Microsoft aren't arguing here that Vista is better than XP or that it's flawless or anything like that, they're saying that people should try it and form their own opinions rather than believing the FUD. The slogan is "See for yourself. Decide for yourself."
 
I can understand trying to remove the prejudice towards Vista (damn you Mac ads). However the video would hold more weight if the users actually had time to spend with the OS, especially if the same reactions occurred.

Someone should make a video, same format, using Win 98SE with Litestep and a nice theme installed. I wouldn't doubt the results would be the same.
 
News at 11? Isn't the news in the article right there? Why wait until 11? :confused:

Either this is a troll post, postcount++ or you honestly think something is going to happen at 11 somewhere.

Anywho, to stay on topic, I checked some of this out a few weeks ago when it was first reported. They claimed something like 90% of people liked Mojave better than Vista, so seeing negative reports in there wouldn't be a common occurrence.

LOL wake up buddy!
 
"Most" businesses have 10 year old, 16bit software? What businesses are you talking about? "Most" businesses are adept to change, lest they be left behind in the marketplace. I'd be interested in seeing where you pulled the 16-bit bullshit out of, because I think it came out of your posterior and not any published news source or statistical study.

The reason "most" businesses aren't using Vista (to paraphrase your highly statistical statement) is because their current needs are being met, so there's no motivation to make a change. You don't disrupt your business to perform an IT upgrade that doesn't solve a known set of problems. You integrate the new in with the old, so when you purchase new PCs you get Vista on them; otherwise, you don't demand that the entire workforce upgrades overnight "just because."

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I was exaggerating a ton there and I obviously fail at getting my point across, I wasn't trying to say that business should change because that is a lot of work for very little gain in the business sector, but in a home environment it's great.
 
I guess if I had experienced problems with Vista, I would understand where the complainers are coming from. However, I haven't, except very minor things..and I'm even using the 64-bit version that *supposedly* had driver issues.

I truly feel the discrimination has a high probability coming from three corners:

1.) People that really don't enjoy change counter saying XP is better. The whole "Since something isn't broken, why fix it" point. And these people have a point. I mean, XP is a stable operating system.

2.) People out to get "the man". We all know how much hate there is for Microsoft. Hell, Bill Gates almost has as much hate against him as George Bush. People have theories concerning why, but really, most people don't have much substantiation at all.

3.) Those completely uninformed and are pure bandwagoners, as I've described in my OP. Those that simply go by "what they've heard".

This thread was not intended to push people to Vista, but to hopefully enlighten those that are discriminating with little substantiation. I just hope for consideration, that's all. If the person really finds XP to be a better operating system, then OK! I just know far too many that steer from Vista because of the reasons I've supplied.
 
I can understand trying to remove the prejudice towards Vista (damn you Mac ads). However the video would hold more weight if the users actually had time to spend with the OS, especially if the same reactions occurred.

Someone should make a video, same format, using Win 98SE with Litestep and a nice theme installed. I wouldn't doubt the results would be the same.

I agree.

We have to remember that this is in fact a marketing ploy, so of course it's going to be biased. Again, I made this thread because even though it is a marketing ploy, I personally have felt the same about the OS.
 
I do love these idiotic vista threads, and the people who base "vista sucks" off business adoption.

I worked in a fortune 10 (yes, TEN) company a year ago. 75% of machines were still running Win2000, and some even NT4. I literally danced for joy when my personal machine had a hard drive failure and got a new drive imaged with XP.

Saying that Vista sucks because business adoption is slow is one of the most retarded things I've ever come across on the internet.
 
Vista works.

The reason why many professional shops don't upgrade is because they don't want to deal with badly in-house coded legacy software that may or may not run properly on Vista. Not the OS' fault. It's like saying; I am not upgrading to the 2.6 lolnix kernel, because it sucks! No, that my code only properly complies on 2.4 has nothing to do with me not wanting to upgrade.

Exactly!
 
I'll add a word to the whole business adoption thing. The only issue IMO is microsoft crippling vista versions TBH. We have a fileserver here at work and people on home premium because they go out and buy their own laptops without consulting us -.- but regardless, they can't access the domain/file server without a quick registry hack. This IMO is irritating. But other then that, it seems like a great OS now that things have shaped up with SP1. Tons better against protecting users against malware/spyware and of course eye candy. Though the main reason we haven't fully upgraded it is because of several pieces of software our research lab use which don't like to run on newer OSs. For christ sake we have a piece of equipment/software that runs ONLY on an OS/2 system. How retarded is that?
 
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