Dell 2408WFP Now Available

Anyone got the new revision yet or know of any user reviews with the new revision?

I am trying to decide between this Monitor and a BenQ G2400W.

btw what is the new revision of these supposed to address? I thought I raed input lag somewhere, which is one of the major drawbacks of this monitor?
 
I've got a new revision of the monitor. Personally, I'm really happy with the image quality, colors (after hardware calibration) and build of this monitor. I feel it's great for general use. This monitor is perfect for my needs (coding, surfing, movies, WoW here and there). I plan on purchasing a second for a multi-display setup.

Unforuantely, I don't have any technical details or comparisons. I'm sure someone on here will do the homework and hopefully will be able to provide you with the information you're looking for.
 
Other than this revision, any other changes in the past couple of months as I haven't kept track?
 
does it fix the lag much??

thats the thing i wanna know. im stuck betwee this and the benq g2400wd
 
strider1 said:
does it fix the lag much??

thats the thing i wanna know. im stuck betwee this and the benq g2400wd
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Can a firmware or revision really do much to improve the input lag? I mean, I'm not exactly holding out hope here.
 
Mav451 said:
Can a firmware or revision really do much to improve the input lag? I mean, I'm not exactly holding out hope here.
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The Dell representative on their forums says that the input lag will be substantially reduced.
 
Giolon said:
The Dell representative on their forums says that the input lag will be substantially reduced.
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Hahah, define substantially.
Anway, is this a stickied thread over at the Dell forum? Link?
 
Mav451 said:
Hahah, define substantially.
Anway, is this a stickied thread over at the Dell forum? Link?
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How the hell am I going to define substantially when he said it not me. It's not in a stickied thread. Go find it yoursef, I'm too lazy. This time for real.
 
Does anyone running 480p content via component care to give their impressions? Ideally with pictures? I'm thinking of using one of these as the centerpiece of a low budget home theater system and I'm curious as to how PS2/Wii output would look.
 
I just took delivery of my monitor today. Manufacture date is July 2008, but it is still the old version with the sharpness increments of 25 and not 10.

I will probably hold onto it for now and get it replaced when the new ones are confirmed.
 
Dr_Ick said:
I just took delivery of my monitor today. Manufacture date is July 2008, but it is still the old version with the sharpness increments of 25 and not 10.

I will probably hold onto it for now and get it replaced when the new ones are confirmed.
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I've read previously that the fix will be in a form of firmware. At least, that's what I'm hoping so we won't have to go through all the hassle and time in physically doing an exchange. Correct me if I'm wrong of course (TIA).
 
piku said:
I've read previously that the fix will be in a form of firmware. At least, that's what I'm hoping so we won't have to go through all the hassle and time in physically doing an exchange. Correct me if I'm wrong of course (TIA).
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The Dell forum rep said the only way to get the new firmware is a monitor exchange. He said that they had distributed firmware updates in the past and was told it caused them too much trouble so they only do the monitor exchange method now.

I can't imagine how that could've been more trouble than having to pay to ship two monitors, but that's what they said.
 
It's possible,

Here's an example:

BenQ FP241VW on old firmware at DigitalVersus.com is average 45ms input lag. I measured the newest version at average 11.8.

That's almost exactly two frames different vs. a CRT. This is also a VA based monitor (albeit not a Samsung panel).

Every other monitor I measured using the same "clone" method was in line with their findings (BenQ V2400W, NEC LCD2690) so I would assume that our method is the same, especially considering they describe their method.

Regards,

10e

Mav451 said:
Can a firmware or revision really do much to improve the input lag? I mean, I'm not exactly holding out hope here.
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Giolon said:
The Dell forum rep said the only way to get the new firmware is a monitor exchange. He said that they had distributed firmware updates in the past and was told it caused them too much trouble so they only do the monitor exchange method now.

I can't imagine how that could've been more trouble than having to pay to ship two monitors, but that's what they said.
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Crapolla... Its been a while since I've done these exchanges. What's the timeline usually when you can replace/exchange for a newer one... 30-days or longer?
 
I just catch the last deal on 2408WFP for $450. Now the order is shipped out today, I am only hoping it's a new revision with the input lag issue resolved.
 
10e said:
It's possible,

Here's an example:

BenQ FP241VW on old firmware at DigitalVersus.com is average 45ms input lag. I measured the newest version at average 11.8.

That's almost exactly two frames different vs. a CRT. This is also a VA based monitor (albeit not a Samsung panel).

Every other monitor I measured using the same "clone" method was in line with their findings (BenQ V2400W, NEC LCD2690) so I would assume that our method is the same, especially considering they describe their method.

Regards,

10e
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Do you mean 3 frames? I was under the impression, with 60Hz refresh rate (60 cycles a second), that 16.6667ms would constitute one frame. E.g. 1000ms = 1s.

1000ms/60cycles = 16.66667ms per frame. Or am I simply using the wrong terminology here.
 
Nope, you're correct.

It just never amounts to exactly that. Often it's 15 or 16ms difference in clone mode, though not sure why, but it's always one or the other. Never 17ms. Very strange.

Actually my measurement was a bit pessimistic. If you look at "Input Lag measurement" thread, it averaged 8.65ms.

I'm not saying Dell will produce the same miracle, but it would be nice if they could cut 2 frames lag off their average lag... I think that would really improve things.


Mav451 said:
Do you mean 3 frames? I was under the impression, with 60Hz refresh rate (60 cycles a second), that 16.6667ms would constitute one frame. E.g. 1000ms = 1s.

1000ms/60cycles = 16.66667ms per frame. Or am I simply using the wrong terminology here.
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Also, I forgot to mention,

To return an A00 revision monitor (according, again to Jimmy_P) you have to have a reason. They will not allow returns simply for the reason that it's revision A00 and you'd like the new one.

This is what I mean about Dell. First it's "we're gonna allow people to update their firmware", then it's "We don't believe it would be prudent to allow people to update firmware on this device due to consumer potential problems, so you will need an exchange.", now it's "You need to have a specific problem associated with revision A00 to return it for a new one."

Now I don't blame the messenger, Jimmy_P in this case, as he is going above and beyond to help people, but these draconian policies involving a product that has already had its share of flaws is unfair. I am not sure if maybe the firmware update requires more than just a new set of software, or if there is a new daughterboard involved, but this turnstyle policy both intrigues and disappoints me.

I was equally disappointed with BenQ when they didn't allow the last firmware update for North America for the FP241xx series, but at least they DID allow people to send back FP241Ws with old firmware to go up to the December 2006 firmware that fixed the lack of 1:1 pixel mapping, without question prior to this.

So I can't be sure, but I would list excessive input lag and its effect on your use of this monitor as being an issue in order to get an exchange.

I was going to wait for the new revision but I seriously have reservations about positively commenting/mini reviewing a monitor from a company that is giving the big "F*** you" to their loyal customers. That, plus the excessive delay in actually providing a revision to address usability issues on potentially the best consumer level 24" now. They claim that it meets industry standards? Does it? Even the Samsung 245t has lower lag, and the FP241VW I have is average 8.65 ms which is 1/6th of the 2408WFP.

Sorry for the rant, and I may sound unreasonable, but if motherboard vendors allow their more complex products to be updated by end users and rarely see exchanges due to this procedure, why can't Dell in this regard?

I think if specific instructions were given to end-users to upgrade firmware and the process were mostly idiot-proof, they should allow their enthusiast users to upgrade the monitors' firmwares and enjoy them in every way possible.
 
^ditto, I've been following that thread with almost morbid curiosity...even with all the crazyness, I've holding out on the possibility that the new revision would be fantastic. Even so, on principle I'm almost not willing to buy from them. (I quit buying/suggesting dell -computers- years ago)
 
10e said:
They claim that it meets industry standards? Does it? Even the Samsung 245t has lower lag, and the FP241VW I have is average 8.65 ms which is 1/6th of the 2408WFP.
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Who sets the "industry standard"? Is whatever's most common or average the "standard"? Is there some standard threshold published somewhere that manufacturers are supposed to adhere to? AFAIK there is not. Dell can claim it meets industry standards when there aren't any to begin with. :( Just because Product A, B, and C perform the same way doesn't mean Product D will...unless there's someone enforcing that it does.
 
"- tested using a DVI-HDMI adapter, with HDMI cable into the Dell (this was suggested in the review from monitortest.blogspot.com). My results? The input lag now appears to be very close to the 2005FPW. Still there, but significantly reduced when compared to the DVI, on my setup. Mind you, I'm already at a disadvantage with crossfire frame rendering delays, so YMMV, but with performance HDMI, this means my concern had been addressed and I am much relieved. Using HDMI has a disadvantage for me for calibration, meaning now I have to do it using new numbers, but using softMCCS (recommended on these forums, and thanks, this worked nicely) makes this super fast and not a big issue."
 
I am still waiting to hear from somone who can give an actual number as to how much the input lag has been decreased on this screen with the new revision (which isnt a new revision??)
 
Dell 2005FPW is two frames lag average, so that is more than acceptable, especially for console gamers. If the DVI gets down there with revision X, we have a wiener.

kmetek said:
"- tested using a DVI-HDMI adapter, with HDMI cable into the Dell (this was suggested in the review from monitortest.blogspot.com). My results? The input lag now appears to be very close to the 2005FPW. Still there, but significantly reduced when compared to the DVI, on my setup. Mind you, I'm already at a disadvantage with crossfire frame rendering delays, so YMMV, but with performance HDMI, this means my concern had been addressed and I am much relieved. Using HDMI has a disadvantage for me for calibration, meaning now I have to do it using new numbers, but using softMCCS (recommended on these forums, and thanks, this worked nicely) makes this super fast and not a big issue."
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nhawk2 said:
Just tested them side by side. Seems to be a BIT better, about 1 frame ahead.

2407WFP-HC was better than 2408WFP by about 3 frames if I remember right.



Here are some pics:

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The monitor on the left is 2408WFP A01, on the right is the 2408WFP A00
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I don't see the difference. It's not ahead any more (really) than it's behind?

On some shots it's a frame ahead, on some it's a frame behind, and others it's even. This is pretty inconclusive.
 
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