What is up with AMD???

Majeztik12

Majeztik12

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Is AMD getting out of the proc. biz? Haven't seen much since they thought the world needed "tri-core" procs. where is the Phemon 9900? I bought a buddy's Phenom 9850BE for $50 the other day. He needed money for shipping his new system parts and a pack of smokes....I think he bought a six pack. Anyways I just wondered if they were more focused on helping ATI regain ground. Or not worried about us AMD fanboys anymore. Thanks
 
have you done any research into this at all?

9950 is coming out soon, a new southbridge is coming out that should help phenom's overclock, tri-cores have been out for a WHILE.
 
Well I have done some homework [H]ere in the forums. And on the main site. If that counts. I found little info. Thanks for the little info also. Guess I should of asked if anybody could point me to a reliable site. I just hope they come out with something ground breaking in performance department. I haven't owned an Intel since the Intel Celeron 433 back in 1999. AMD almost lost me during their 66mhz jumps with the early XP series. Guess I'm looking for a reason not to jump ship. So thanks for your in depth knowledge and help!
 
MrAgmoore said:
You are the only one left on the ship!

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I'm still on the ship too! lol.

Hoping they can crank out something good next generation, the Phenom is fairly disappointing. If I were building today, I'd grab a 9850 Black edition all the same (unlocked multipliers ftw!), but it's still sad that it can't keep up with the Core 2's.
 
I think they have about one more chance to get it right before sinking.
 
Valset said:
I think they have about one more chance to get it right before sinking.
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Not at all. AMD will be around for years to come. AMD has never been all that profitable and most of the last 20 years they've had the inferior performing product. Just because a company doesn't make the fastest product doesn't mean that they can't be a profitable business venture nor does it mean that they can't find a place in the marketplace.
 
OP, on a different note, congrats on a hell of a deal. I thought I got a decent deal on a 5000+ BE and I paid what you paid for your Phenom.
 
Ferrariman60 said:
I'm still on the ship too! lol.

Hoping they can crank out something good next generation, the Phenom is fairly disappointing. If I were building today, I'd grab a 9850 Black edition all the same (unlocked multipliers ftw!), but it's still sad that it can't keep up with the Core 2's.
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The thing is, they COULD compete with the core2s in the begging. Websites that only care about page views were spewing this bullshit that AMD was getting killed. The fact of the matter was, sure, "Intel can be overclocked way further", but out of the box AMD was right on par with Intel for a lot less coin. Who gives a shit about benchmarks, people need to look at real world performance. My 6000 is right up there alongside an E6600, and at the time it was a lot cheaper. Now the story has changed, and there is no way AMD can compete with all these low priced high performing Intel dual cores.
 
Dan_D said:
Not at all. AMD will be around for years to come. AMD has never been all that profitable and most of the last 20 years they've had the inferior performing product. Just because a company doesn't make the fastest product doesn't mean that they can't be a profitable business venture nor does it mean that they can't find a place in the marketplace.
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I hope your right but I think you misunderstood me, I don't really expect the fastest processor from them, just not the lemon that was the phenom. (sorry, had to do it) At the least I expect it to be priced where it falls. I in fact just bought a phenom 9600 black editions with 2gb of ram for 100 dollars. that made it worthwhile. right now they phenoms are actually priced HIGHER then their intel counterparts. I don't see how they can do this other falling back on the fanboys (like me). they need to make a turnaround like the ATI division did
 
xdivenx said:
The thing is, they COULD compete with the core2s in the begging. Websites that only care about page views were spewing this bullshit that AMD was getting killed. The fact of the matter was, sure, "Intel can be overclocked way further", but out of the box AMD was right on par with Intel for a lot less coin. Who gives a shit about benchmarks, people need to look at real world performance. My 6000 is right up there alongside an E6600, and at the time it was a lot cheaper. Now the story has changed, and there is no way AMD can compete with all these low priced high performing Intel dual cores.
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I've got to disagree somewhat. Ever since C2D was launched AMD hasn't really held the price/performance crown except at the very low end. In the mid range theres not much between them but generally I think Intel holds a slight edge.

FWIW, here's an article a little over a year old looking at the price/performance between the mainstream CPUs of the time: http://xbitlabs.com/articles/cpu/display/dualcore-roundup_8.html#sect0
 
Yeah I havent owned an AMD since the opteron 148s came out. That was the beginning of this intel onslaught. Just hard to justify owning inferior products for similar prices. Since I am an overclocker, that makes it so much harder.
 
harpoon said:
I've got to disagree somewhat. Ever since C2D was launched AMD hasn't really held the price/performance crown except at the very low end. In the mid range theres not much between them but generally I think Intel holds a slight edge.

FWIW, here's an article a little over a year old looking at the price/performance between the mainstream CPUs of the time: http://xbitlabs.com/articles/cpu/display/dualcore-roundup_8.html#sect0
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Maybe at one point in time, but when I bought my 6000+, it went for $160 back in November. And an E6600 was $220 back at the same time. At that time, spending an extra $60 wasn't worth the .06 increase in general performance, as taken from the article. Maybe Intel has got the performance and price sometimes, but in the past there have been some great times to buy AMD, like when I did.
 
xdivenx said:
Maybe at one point in time, but when I bought my 6000+, it went for $160 back in November. And an E6600 was $220 back at the same time. At that time, spending an extra $60 wasn't worth the .06 increase in general performance, as taken from the article. Maybe Intel has got the performance and price sometimes, but in the past there have been some great times to buy AMD, like when I did.
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Fair enough, but keep in mind that by November the E6600 was EOL and replaced by the E6550, which performed the same but was priced at $163:
http://www.anandtech.com/showdoc.aspx?i=3137&p=8

So its pretty much the same story - AMD is generally competitive in price/performance but at no point were they significantly better value than equivalently priced C2Ds, except at the bottom end. It's been that way for the past 2 years pretty much.
 
Majeztik12 said:
. Guess I'm looking for a reason not to jump ship. !
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i fought the long fight for AMD ...was back to the k5-133

But i just couldnt deny INTEL was far better this time around... so i jumped ship.

i am sure i will jump back when AMD has something in the ball park of INTEL again
 
MrAgmoore said:
You are the only one left on the ship!

:p
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Ferrariman60 said:
I'm still on the ship too! lol.

Hoping they can crank out something good next generation, the Phenom is fairly disappointing. If I were building today, I'd grab a 9850 Black edition all the same (unlocked multipliers ftw!), but it's still sad that it can't keep up with the Core 2's.
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lol yeah im still here. current phenoms r a joke and i plan to give my current chip away to a friend once i go to 45nm phenom.
 
ALL4AMD said:
lol yeah im still here. current phenoms r a joke and i plan to give my current chip away to a friend once i go to 45nm phenom.
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Unless they make severe architectural changes at 45nm the 45nm Phenom's won't be a whole lot better. They may clock better and have a lower thermal envelope but the dissappointing IPC won't change. AMD's chance for salvation lies in Bulldozer, not Phenom.
 
Guess I'm looking for a reason not to jump ship.
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You just got a 9850 and now you want to go Intel? Am I missing something? What does this chip not do for you that a Intel chip will will?
 
Dan_D said:
Unless they make severe architectural changes at 45nm the 45nm Phenom's won't be a whole lot better. They may clock better and have a lower thermal envelope but the dissappointing IPC won't change. AMD's chance for salvation lies in Bulldozer, not Phenom.
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A 3 GHz Quad Phenom would still be fast enough for almost anyone. It would be a good deal, especially if it was cheaper than Intel's CPUs and used less power. You don't have to own the performance crown to survive or even remain competitive, just look at ATI and their 4850/4870 GPU's. I'm a little concerned that the 45nm process won't help them achieve much higher clocks, though - when they moved the X2's from 90nm to 65nm, they actually kept their highest-end X2's on the old 90nm process.
 
it should help the phenoms though, a large part of their problem is the simple distance across.Intel cores are actually smaller, they are just surrounded with cache.
 
Another reason I see AMD as a good buy occasionally is because in my mind, they seem to stick by older motherboards longer. Intel keeps changing FSB, and some boards just don't support quads, even if they support c2d. 80% of AMD AM2 pre-phenom boards can be updated to support Quad and Tri cores. And there is no fsb to worry about!
 
xdivenx said:
Another reason I see AMD as a good buy occasionally is because in my mind, they seem to stick by older motherboards longer. Intel keeps changing FSB, and some boards just don't support quads, even if they support c2d. 80% of AMD AM2 pre-phenom boards can be updated to support Quad and Tri cores. And there is no fsb to worry about!
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All Core 2 Duo motherboards I've ever seen support Core 2 Quad processors. The only time that became an issue was in regard to NVIDIA chipset based boards and 45nm quad core processors. Bear in mind that Intel did not design those boards and aren't responsible for their short commings. All those boards do support 65nm quad core processors though. Even when the FSB changes you can still by a newer board and use your old chip with it provided the socket hasn't changed. I'd wager there are alot more Core 2 Duo boards that have been successfuly flashed to support Core 2 Quad processors than there are pre-Phenom compatible boards flashed to support the Phenom.
 
Dan_D said:
All Core 2 Duo motherboards I've ever seen support Core 2 Quad processors. The only time that became an issue was in regard to NVIDIA chipset based boards and 45nm quad core processors. Bear in mind that Intel did not design those boards and aren't responsible for their short commings. All those boards do support 65nm quad core processors though. Even when the FSB changes you can still by a newer board and use your old chip with it provided the socket hasn't changed. I'd wager there are alot more Core 2 Duo boards that have been successfuly flashed to support Core 2 Quad processors than
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590i?
 
xdivenx said:
Another reason I see AMD as a good buy occasionally is because in my mind, they seem to stick by older motherboards longer. Intel keeps changing FSB, and some boards just don't support quads, even if they support c2d. 80% of AMD AM2 pre-phenom boards can be updated to support Quad and Tri cores. And there is no fsb to worry about!
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Please find me a P965/P35/X38/P45/X48 mobo that doesn't support a quad. :confused:

Granted, there are some el cheaper mobos based on the older 945 chipset that supports C2D but not C2Q, but that chipset is like 3 years old! To put things into perspective, 3 years ago was the height of the S939 reign... how many S939 mobos can run a Phenom? :D

I also highly doubt 80% of AM2 mobos support Phenom, I don't know where you've been the last 12 months but you obviously haven't see the threads of disgruntled AM2 users who are left with no upgrade path because the mobo manufacturer didn't release a BIOS update for Phenom support.
 
harpoon said:
Please find me a P965/P35/X38/P45/X48 mobo that doesn't support a quad. :confused:

I also highly doubt 80% of AM2 mobos support Phenom, I don't know where you've been the last 12 months but you obviously haven't see the threads of disgruntled AM2 users who are left with no upgrade path because the mobo manufacturer didn't release a BIOS update for Phenom support.
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There are also plenty of i975x and i945 chipset based motherboards that support Quad core processsors as well.
 
Dan_D said:
There are also plenty of i975x and i945 chipset based motherboards that support Quad core processsors as well.
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True, heck I think even most G31/G33 and P31 based mobos support quads as well, though I'm not too familiar with those chipsets. AFAIK, there really are very few S775 mobos made in the past 2 years that don't support quads, except for those cheap ECS i945 based mobos that come included with combo deals perhaps.
 
Dan_D said:
There are also plenty of i975x and i945 chipset based motherboards that support Quad core processsors as well.
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I know that the 975X supports Core 2's (duo and quad) no problem, as do motherboards with 945 chipsets made after Conroe was released, but correct me if I'm wrong, but aren't most of the motherboards with 945 chipsets that came out before Core 2 not compatible with it? Doesn't contradict your statement (plenty of 945 chipset based motherboards are compatible), but just wanted to clarify.
 
harpoon said:
True, heck I think even most G31/G33 and P31 based mobos support quads as well, though I'm not too familiar with those chipsets. AFAIK, there really are very few S775 mobos made in the past 2 years that don't support quads, except for those cheap ECS i945 based mobos that come included with combo deals perhaps.
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All motherboards released after the Core 2 Duo came out should support 65nm quad core processors. The only issue that comes into play is 45nm quad core support which really only seems to be an issue for NVIDIA chipset based boards. However older i945 and i975x boards won't be 45nm quad core compatible. They should however work with dual core 45nm chips with a BIOS update.

farfromhome said:
I know that the 975X supports Core 2's (duo and quad) no problem, as do motherboards with 945 chipsets made after Conroe was released, but correct me if I'm wrong, but aren't most of the motherboards with 945 chipsets that came out before Core 2 not compatible with it? Doesn't contradict your statement (plenty of 945 chipset based motherboards are compatible), but just wanted to clarify.
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That's true but I don't think it contradicts my statement. There are a ton of i945, i975x, P965, P35, P45, X38, and X48 motherboards that are compatible with all Core 2 Duo, Quad, and Extreme Edition processors. Yes there are plenty of older boards that aren't, but I don't think its' fair to say that AMD is better about board longevity especially considering the relatively short life span of each of their sockets since Socket A (Socket 462.)
 
This may not be Intel's fault, but I can confirm ( and so can others) that the Gigabyte 965 DS3 v1.0 does not support 45nm anything, duals or quads.
 
dook43 said:
This may not be Intel's fault, but I can confirm ( and so can others) that the Gigabyte 965 DS3 v1.0 does not support 45nm anything, duals or quads.
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Well if other P965 chipset based boards support 1333MHz FSB CPUs and 45nm CPUs of any type then clearly Gigabyte didn't build the GA-P965-DS3 to already known VRM specifications that would support those CPUs.
 
harpoon said:
Please find me a P965/P35/X38/P45/X48 mobo that doesn't support a quad. :confused:

Granted, there are some el cheaper mobos based on the older 945 chipset that supports C2D but not C2Q, but that chipset is like 3 years old! To put things into perspective, 3 years ago was the height of the S939 reign... how many S939 mobos can run a Phenom? :D

I also highly doubt 80% of AM2 mobos support Phenom, I don't know where you've been the last 12 months but you obviously haven't see the threads of disgruntled AM2 users who are left with no upgrade path because the mobo manufacturer didn't release a BIOS update for Phenom support.
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They might "support" quad core's but they will not overclock a quad/dual at all or not much at all. If you bought a decent AM2+ motherboard (would cost about $100) it would be able to clock up any 65nm,45nm, and AM3 processor without a problem. Those Intel boards that you listed cant clock up a processor for crap.
 
QuickS said:
They might "support" quad core's but they will not overclock a quad/dual at all or not much at all. If you bought a decent AM2+ motherboard (would cost about $100) it would be able to clock up any 65nm,45nm, and AM3 processor without a problem. Those Intel boards that you listed cant clock up a processor for crap.
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I didn't list any Intel 'boards', I listed chipsets and any P965 / P35 / P45 / X38 / X48 based mobo (basically any S775 mobo made in the past 2 years) is definitely very capable of supporting quads *and* overclocking them.

Seriously, get a clue...
 
QuickS said:
They might "support" quad core's but they will not overclock a quad/dual at all or not much at all. If you bought a decent AM2+ motherboard (would cost about $100) it would be able to clock up any 65nm,45nm, and AM3 processor without a problem. Those Intel boards that you listed cant clock up a processor for crap.
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You are not correct. First off not all AM2 motherboards can handle Phenom processors. None of the AM2+ motherboards overclock 65nm Phenom's worth a damn. (Not through FSB adjustments anyway.) Since no 45nm or AM3 chips are in the hands of the general public, your comments don't make sense.

Another thing is that no specific boards were listed. The P965 chipset can indeed overclock very well. Its' common for 450MHz FSB's or higher. Plenty of them break 500MHz easily. The P35, X38, and X48 chipsets are capable of the same. The only ones listed that aren't solid overclockers for Core 2 processors are the i945P and i975X chipsets. They are ok with dual cores and weak on the quad core side. However they both support quad core processors. Just not the 45nm variety.
 
Lol @ AM3 and 45nm AMD chip reference. Maybe I was a little wrong on my above post about Board Compatibility with Intel Procs, but I seem to read mixed responses about that.
 
Dan_D said:
Not at all. AMD will be around for years to come. AMD has never been all that profitable and most of the last 20 years they've had the inferior performing product. Just because a company doesn't make the fastest product doesn't mean that they can't be a profitable business venture nor does it mean that they can't find a place in the marketplace.
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You really dont pay attention to financial markets huh. Amd's stock is at 16 year lows...... not even adjusted for inflation. Their current company value is HALF of what they bought ATI for. They are in major, major trouble financially. AMD needs a prayer, i hope they survive as we need a competitor however they are in DEEP trouble.
 
Dan_D said:
You are not correct. First off not all AM2 motherboards can handle Phenom processors. None of the AM2+ motherboards overclock 65nm Phenom's worth a damn. (Not through FSB adjustments anyway.) Since no 45nm or AM3 chips are in the hands of the general public, your comments don't make sense.

Another thing is that no specific boards were listed. The P965 chipset can indeed overclock very well. Its' common for 450MHz FSB's or higher. Plenty of them break 500MHz easily. The P35, X38, and X48 chipsets are capable of the same. The only ones listed that aren't solid overclockers for Core 2 processors are the i945P and i975X chipsets. They are ok with dual cores and weak on the quad core side. However they both support quad core processors. Just not the 45nm variety.
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I said "AM2+" not AM2. A decent AM2+ motherboard can EASILY clock up a phenom. Just take a look at the AM2+ DFI 790FX motherboard. Also, there are no reasons for the 45nm chips and AM3 chips not to clock up high on the current AM2+ boards as they all have the same pin count/features besides a few architectures changes. I have also not seen any proof of the Intel boards below P35 clocking up Intel quad cores worth a damn.
 
QuickS said:
I said "AM2+" not AM2. A decent AM2+ motherboard can EASILY clock up a phenom. Just take a look at the AM2+ DFI 790FX motherboard. Also, there are no reasons for the 45nm chips and AM3 chips not to clock up high on the current AM2+ boards as they all have the same pin count/features besides a few architectures changes. I have also not seen any proof of the Intel boards below P35 clocking up Intel quad cores worth a damn.
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If you don't bother to look for it, then how will you find any proof? Granted, P965 doesn't clock as well as P35 with quads but its still capable of respectable overclocks.

http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?t=142430
There are plenty of 3GHz+ Q6600 / P965 overclocks in this thread, though I doubt you'll even bother to look - why take the time to reeducate yourself when you can just sprout the same BS with your narrow minded views?
 
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