GTX280 buyers remorse thread

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Your argument is horrible because you are trying to say that people should just shut up and accept the higher prices for "top end hardware". It is NOT top end hardware if the HD4870 can beat it and it does in some cases. ATi is pricing their card at the $300 mark. So who is the fool now? I am NOT biased against top end hardware because I completely plan on buying a HD4870x2 and perhaps even 2 of them. I have ZERO inconsistencies so far so I'd love for you to come forth and name them. As for your last comments about me crying you are just plain wrong. Just because I disagree that I should have to pay $650 for a GTX 280 does not mean I am crying at all. The honest truth here (since you are OBVIOUSLY defending nVidia ) is that YOU must prove the value of the GTX 280 cause nVidia can't do that on their own with real world performance. I have ZERO problems paying good money on high performance PC gear, but the truth here is that the HD4870 will deliver literally the same experience as the GTX280 for less than half the price. Like I said before what has happened here is ATi has pretty much done what Nissan has done with the 2009 GTR. Better than Ferrari Enzo performance at a $70k price point completely stock. I just don't understand how you can sit there and argue with me on this.

I do not wish to get into this particular arguement except i do want to point out that the Ferrari Enzo will be worth more than I paid for it 20 year from now and the Nissan will be worth about 30 k if your lucky.

Perhaps a better example to illustrate your point is in order
 
It can be argued that the GTX280 is overpriced however anyone that says the GTX280 is a piece of computer crap has no creditibility at all with me and I suspect most of the people in this forum.

That being said , this whole subject of price and how what someone pays for something is a reflection on their intellect is getting old.

Everything is relative and anyone lamenting on and on about how stupid it is to buy a GTX280 is simply one dementional and really needs time to mature in order to understand that money is just paper and a vehicle to attain sustanance as well as things we might find rewarding. I personally do not look at what i spend on individual components nor what i spend on this hobby anually. Frankly I do not care.

For example , I purchase a GX2 just a short time ago for 609.00 just becuase i wanted to see how Nvidia may have improved "sli on a single board" over what i experienced on the 7950gx2. The 280 was released and I sent the gx2 in and for 50 dollars got the 280.

I fail to see how that makes me an idiot but somehow, based on what is in thread after thread , I am?

Too many Marxists in this forum if you ask me. God help us all we are all now evil becuase we have the financial means to enjoyed the decadence that is the GTX280

God, lighten up people its a God dang video card now where is my tourch so i can burn two 4870 's in effigy just to piss off the peasants

I may start a thread stating anyone buying a 4870 is stupid becuase for just 300 more dollars they could have the fastest on the planet and then maybe those posting the opposite would understand how obsurd they sound
And thus you have lost this argument. Comparing people who want to see better pricing on a computer video card to Marxists...You sir are grasping for straws here.
 
I do not wish to get into this particular arguement except i do want to point out that the Ferrari Enzo will be worth more than I paid for it 20 year from now and the Nissan will be worth about 30 k if your lucky.

Perhaps a better example to illustrate your point is in order
Now you are talking about something completely different. We are talking about video card performance. Will your GTX280 be worth more than you paid for it 20 years from now? Point set match. You fell right into it.
 
I do not wish to get into this particular arguement except i do want to point out that the Ferrari Enzo will be worth more than I paid for it 20 year from now and the Nissan will be worth about 30 k if your lucky.

Except electronics decline in value (very rapidly) as they age, not rise. The problem is not simply that GTX 280 costs too much, the problem is that it actually gets beat by 4870 in some cases (particularly in high AA). And gets slaughtered by Crossfire (which is $600). You'd have an argument if it really was the bleeding edge but it isn't. It's a POS.
 
And thus you have lost this argument. Comparing people who want to see better pricing on a computer video card to Marxists...You sir are grasping for straws here.


Not at all, I am all for lower prices, I am not however for judging others on how they spend thier money. I do not beleve anyone should tell anyone what to do with thier money period.

I can also say without question that even knowing what I know today , I would still buy the GTx 280 all be it at around the 450 - 500 mark that will soon be. I am sure the ATI product is an excellent one and I wish everyone the best who purhcases one however I feel the 280 will meet my needs better. I might pay 8 bucks for six pack that wont get my any more drunk than my six pack of Budwiser but I will buy the 8 dollar one on occasion just becuase it makes me happy. Thats the point i am trying to make. I was not even referring to you directly and i doubt you would stand in the package store and tell people they are an idiot for buy an 8 dollar six pack but sadly there are people in this forum who would.

The first paragraph that i read from you was the one mentioning the Ferrari and i could not resist commenting on it. I am sorry if you felt i was referring to you regarding the Marxist comment since it would be unfair to label you that way in that i have not read any of your specific commments other than your retort to another individual in here
 
Except electronics decline in value (very rapidly) as they age, not rise. The problem is not simply that GTX 280 costs too much, the problem is that it actually gets beat by 4870 in some cases (particularly in high AA). And gets slaughtered by Crossfire (which is $600). You'd have an argument if it really was the bleeding edge but it isn't. It's a POS.


On the contrary it was the bleeding edge all be it for a few moments and in the case of a single gpu solution it can be argued it still is the fastest card available for use on a monitor like mine. At any rate whether it is or it is not, is certainly is not a POS

Your are correct on the depreciation aspect and I was not using the Ferrari to illustrate how the 280 might be better I was simply commenting on the nissan versuus Ferrari issue
 
It is also important to note that most of the tech savy players in this forum obtained the 280 on a step up and nobody can say that given the choice of a keeping a GX2 as its value plumetts is better than spending just 50 dollars to play with the latest toy from nvidia. Those that did purchase outright paid under 500 dollars in most cases leveraging a variety of promotional deals.

The few that paid full price can and will continue to do so becuase they can afford to do so. Those that cannot simply do not
 
Looks like PhysX is going to have a larger impact in the near future-

"We also spoke with Brian Burke (Senior PR Manager) and Roy Taylor (Vice President of Developer Relations) on the phone and they had a ton of things to say about PhysX and were obviously all for it. They were happy to announce that 14 to 16 new PhysX game titles would be available before Christmas and double that next summer."

Source:
http://www.legitreviews.com/article/733/1/

Yeah I am gaming and they are all smooth as glass. Finally found my max OC, 742|2600 1547 unlinked.
 
wouldn't the OP have buyers remorse if suddenly there was a killer app that made good use of the Physx feature and sucked when trying to play on the 4800's....

lets think logically, theres a really good chance Nvidia did not waste time, money and silicon to incorporate it if they did not have plans and deals with developers in the very near future....

i am sure the OP will appreciate a "dont you suck for buying a 4870X2" thread :)
 
This thread title should have been "GTX 260 buyers remorse thread.
Then everyone would have agreed with the OP
 
Wow, Im not sure what a measure of a sucessful troll is but if it's to keep going as long as possible before you're banned, POPEGOLD has us all beat :/
 
Wow, Im not sure what a measure of a sucessful troll is but if it's to keep going as long as possible before you're banned, POPEGOLD has us all beat :/

Yeah, I stopped bothering to post when he stopped answering questions and just switched to ad homen tactics.
 
POPEGOLD won't be banned just because people dislike him or what he says.

He would have to do more, and if he backs away from the name calling he will be in the clear for a long time.

But would we want him banned? He brings us so much entertainment... :p
 
POPEGOLD won't be banned just because people dislike him or what he says.

He would have to do more, and if he backs away from the name calling he will be in the clear for a long time.

But would we want him banned? He brings us so much entertainment... :p

POPEGOLD hasn't done anything to be banned. I love trolls like him, they are fun to debate.:D
 
damn sex you're a buzzkill, just when it was about to get good!! :D

it's the afternoon now, time to switch from cola to beer...

I got the soda & food, your turn to grab the long necks :p

Haha, sorry dude, I felt i should step in before it turned into a knife fight... But I'm back, and I brought some brewskis with me...

Says the troll who starts a flamebait thread...

lol, an admin specifically said pope was starting a thread with an interesting (albeit sensitive) subject matter. But come on nissan, your posts are almost completely flames. No one wants to hear the name calling.

POPEGOLD won't be banned just because people dislike him or what he says.
QFT.

But would we want him banned? He brings us so much entertainment... :p

Yang and I got beers, pull up a chair and enjoy the show eagle!
 
I do not wish to get into this particular arguement except i do want to point out that the Ferrari Enzo will be worth more than I paid for it 20 year from now and the Nissan will be worth about 30 k if your lucky.

Perhaps a better example to illustrate your point is in order

It's also worth pointing out that the Nissan is not as quick as an Enzo in any measure. Close, sure, but not as fast and completely without the pedigree.

And if I had the cash I would buy the Enzo, not 10 Nissans. :p

280 is the quickest, why should anyone be unhappy?
 
I could see myself having bought a GTX 280 if I'd started saving sooner. I'd start having buyer's remorse the second it started to look like the dual-GPU 4870 card would beat it (the way 4870 CF already pretty much does).

*IF* I would have bought a GTX 280, it would have been in the expectation of it holding a reign as long as G80 did. G92 and all of ATi's offerings tried their best but couldn't dethrone a single 8800 GTX, until you got into multi-GPU solutions. People who bought an 8800 GTX two years ago at $650 made a great investment. Given ATi's track record, there was little reason to think the GTX 280 would be any worse.
 
Sure has. But a thread is only as good as the morons posting on it:rolleyes:
Who might the morons be? If you say Pope I just don't know what to tell ya. The only thing I disagree with him on is telling people what to spend their money on which he pretty much did. He is not wrong in most of his arguments though.
 
why not get a 4870 and donate that wasted 350 bucks to charity or cancer research

Yeah lets donate money to cancer research so that they can turn around and charge us ungodly amounts of money for the treatment. You would be better off spending that $350 on graphics cards and have it fold while your not using it.

I'm still using a 7900GT so this is all very entertaining to me.
 
Yeah lets donate money to cancer research so that they can turn around and charge us ungodly amounts of money for the treatment. You would be better off spending that $350 on graphics cards and have it fold while your not using it.

I'm still using a 7900GT so this is all very entertaining to me.


Folding to cure cancer so they can turn around and charge us ungodly amounts of money for the treatment? :)
 
Folding to cure cancer so they can turn around and charge us ungodly amounts of money for the treatment? :)

I don't have a problem with letting my card(s) fold while I'm not using them, but to just give away my hard earned money to a bunch of swindling crooks is not gonna happen.

I have to get a card that can fold first though. ;)
 
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wouldn't the OP have buyers remorse if suddenly there was a killer app that made good use of the Physx feature and sucked when trying to play on the 4800's....

lets think logically, theres a really good chance Nvidia did not waste time, money and silicon to incorporate it if they did not have plans and deals with developers in the very near future....

i am sure the OP will appreciate a "dont you suck for buying a 4870X2" thread :)

U do realize intel and amd have teamed to push HAVOK....and if i was a betting man... i'
d say direct x11 with be HAVOK based

the OP is godlike
 
Wow, Im not sure what a measure of a sucessful troll is but if it's to keep going as long as possible before you're banned, POPEGOLD has us all beat :/

I got banned at TOMS Forum last year...the nazi mod JACK BARNES claimed i edited his MOD EDIT.... and ripped me in the forum and in PM's

Ofcourse i didnt edit his edit.....how does a poster edit a MOD edit anyway

so i ripped him a new one in a thread b4 he could delete it.....

he called me everything but a child of god then banned me

but no mod here is of the low life ilk like TOMS Jack Barnes....
 
POPEGOLD hasn't done anything to be banned. I love trolls like him, they are fun to debate.:D


First of all i am not a troll i am a provacative poster

i dont attack people

i can be trolling NVIDIA since i own and use NVIDIA stuff

the main people who want me banned are nvidiots for someting that is not bannable...are Nvidiots

to say the GTX280 is anyting less than godlike = flames to them

and you never seen me say its not a great card

it is .. .i just said its way overpriced
 
I haven't read the whole thread, but what I have picked up on is that several people are confusing the GTX 260 and the GTX 280. Clearly the 280 is the fastest/best-performing single GPU available.
 
I haven't read the whole thread, but what I have picked up on is that several people are confusing the GTX 260 and the GTX 280. Clearly the 280 is the fastest/best-performing single GPU available.

Not really, unless you fancy spending more than twice as much for nearly identical performance.
 
Not really, unless you fancy spending more than twice as much for nearly identical performance.

It's not that simple quite yet:

http://www.legitreviews.com/article/734/11/
http://www.hothardware.com/Articles/ATI_Radeon_HD_4850_and_4870_RV770_Has_Arrived/?page=9
http://anandtech.com/video/showdoc.aspx?i=3341&p=17

I can't remember where I saw some benchmarks showing a couple of other instances where a single GTX 280 was beating 4870 CF. Now this might very well be driver related. Maybe the 4870 1GB version will help as well.

The 280 is a bit faster. Not twice as fast but faster the 4870 is clearly the much better buy. That said the question is can nVidia get some improvements out quickly and drop the price. If the 280 were running at the same clock as 4870 which should be possible on 55nm it would have a significant advantage. nVidia is going to drop the price, they have no choice. If the 280 gets down to $400 it becomes very compelling again.

You'll see something significant in the the coming weeks. It won't kill them to eat a few thousand high end cards IF they can respond with cost and performance competitive product quickly enough. They obviously are not going to wait till the fall refresh and do nothing aggressive.


At the end of the day, even if you overpaid for a GTX 280 (or three like me :p) its still fricking fast.
 
U do realize intel and amd have teamed to push HAVOK....and if i was a betting man... i'
d say direct x11 with be HAVOK based

the OP is godlike

yes, thats why Nvidia would waste all the resources to integrate PhysX into their GPU.....yes....think about it....because everything is going to go Havok....yeah.....we have heard how much about Havok lately...??? ....yeah.....
 
As it stands right now, your probably right. I am waiting until a little bit later to see what both companies do. In the mean time, my post was meant to pose the question, "Why is everyone so surprised by high prices?" High prices in PC parts have always been around, I remember when an FX 5900Ultra was $400.00 to $450.00. Nothing new, and it will pass like it always does. Don't get me wrong, I am not trying to bash anyone here, I am in favor of competition as it means we the consumers get better stuff.

Lmao, I actually used a 128mb FX 5900 Ulra for a while. Not bad for cs:s. BTW, trudude how is that S&S steelpad mousepad working for you in gaming? Is it good to use in fps, I'm trying to find something better then my icemat v2 with same durability and longevity.
 
I don't feel bad about it at all. I got mine for around $465 shipped...it would have been nice if it ended up being 20-25% faster than the 4870 instead of perhaps 10-15%, but it's not that big of a deal. I needed the 1GB of memory for oblivion and there aren't any 4870's with 1GB up for sale

Ahhhhh If you are talking about a 1Gig 9800GX2 the memory is effectively used in mirror, it really only has 512MB (2x512mb) same as SLI,

The 9800GX2 effectively has the same amount of usable memory for textures etc as the 512 MB 9800GTX ot 512MB 4870, lol some people need to do there homework.
 
Ahhhhh If you are talking about a 1Gig 9800GX2 the memory is effectively used in mirror, it really only has 512MB (2x512mb) same as SLI,

The 9800GX2 effectively has the same amount of usable memory for textures etc as the 512 MB 9800GTX ot 512MB 4870, lol some people need to do there homework.
If you would have read his post before implying he needed to do his homework,
then I can add another gtx280
That part you didn't add to your quote of his post would have let you know, he has a GTX280 1GB card.
 
Page after page of people arguing about GPUs. Amazing.


If you care more about saving a lot of money while missing a tiny bit of performance, by the 4870.

If you want the absolute highest performer despite cost, get the GTX 280.

If you are the former and bought a 280, you might have buyers remorse. If you are the latter and bought the 280, you are probably fine with your purchase.

This thread can be locked now.
 
Page after page of people arguing about GPUs. Amazing.


If you care more about saving a lot of money while missing a tiny bit of performance, by the 4870.

If you want the absolute highest performer despite cost, get the GTX 280.

If you are the former and bought a 280, you might have buyers remorse. If you are the latter and bought the 280, you are probably fine with your purchase.

This thread can be locked now.

Agreed.
 
Page after page of people arguing about GPUs. Amazing.


If you care more about saving a lot of money while missing a tiny bit of performance, by the 4870.

If you want the absolute highest performer despite cost, get the GTX 280.

If you are the former and bought a 280, you might have buyers remorse. If you are the latter and bought the 280, you are probably fine with your purchase.

This thread can be locked now.


Or buy both and call it a day :)
 
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