DoubleSight DS-263N - 26"

My DS arrived today from Buy.com. The box was torn a little, but I opened it up and hooked it up quickly to my work PC (VGA input, will run DVI at home tonight). Any worries that I had were instantly erased, and you can't take this away from me now. There are a couple stuck/shifted pixels at the bottom of the screen that I can only notice with a test pattern, and my fiancee will never notice. As soon as I loaded up Adobe Lightroom, I was very happy with my decision. What's an easy way to tell if I have a polarizer or not? Will it be easy to tell next to a Dell 2005FPW? I'll go into more details, and pictures, after I get it hooked up at home tonight.
 
i got this monitor several weeks ago, and played around with it for a week and a half. mine did not have the polarizer and this was very annoying because i watch a fair amount of movies and tv on my computer. it made black look like white..even looking straight on it was noticeable in the bottom corners. the 275t+ i used had much better viewing angles than the ds-263n.

for gaming, this monitor was pretty good. it still did not compare to my 19" TN (906bw) though..it appeared to either have some ghosting compared to the 906bw..of course it only showed up in a fast paced fps (counter-strike source) - when i move my mouse fast to look somewhere, it "took longer" to see it on the ds-263n. if you play fps competitively, i would recommend against getting a non-TN, although this one is pretty good it is not meant for serious gamers.

i've had the benq g2400w for 2 weeks now, and i am very impressed with how fast it is. additionally, the viewing angles are pretty good compared to other tn's i've seen. i wouldn't go so far as to say it looks better off angle than the ds-263n (w/o polarizer), but they have their problems off-angle and are subjectively comparable imo.

another thing that bugged me watching movies on the ds-263n - the poor contrast and high black levels was very very annoying, especially right after using a 275t+ for a month, which was absolutely beautiful (although extremely laggy).
 
I find zero ghosting with the monitor in any type of game. I play about 2 hours of CoD4 at night and have no problems finishing first or second every map. As far as LCD's go you won't find a better one then this for gaming IMO.
 
I didn't have the DS next to the NEC but I did have two DS next to each other (defective unit and new unit) and there was a HUGE difference. Both of them had great picture quality, etc...however the new one did not have the white glow and it also seemed less bright. Unfortunately I am horrible at taking photos and could not get a good picture to compare.
 
M Diddy said:
I find zero ghosting with the monitor in any type of game. I play about 2 hours of CoD4 at night and have no problems finishing first or second every map. As far as LCD's go you won't find a better one then this for gaming IMO.
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in public servers or in league play? :eek:
i only say this because first or second on every map in public servers doesn't mean much..
 
erich said:
in public servers or in league play? :eek:
i only say this because first or second on every map in public servers doesn't mean much..
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It does when you have the 2nd highest KPM of active players on the 4th ranked server on Gametracker.... ;)
 
Hammerhead666 said:
Personally, I think people are making the glow out to be a bigger deal than is warranted.
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The glow is the biggest disadvantage to IPS panels because it destroys contrast when sitting in front of the monitor. Having an IPS panel without the glow is a huge deal.

Hammerhead666 said:
I do think a lot of people are worrying about this needlessly, but that's the nature of high performance computer parts.
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Two differently-performing monitors are being sold as the same product, and the company doesn't know what's going on. That's definitely something to worry about.



Snowdog said:
Pic on page 12 is versus a now ancient Apple 23" LCD. Hardly definitive in my book. When I see it next to an NEC 2490/2460 would be more convincing.
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Fine. I used the Apple because it has the same glow the first one did.

DoubleSight DS-263N vs. NEC LCD2690WUXi (click to enlarge):


From the left:


From the right:


From the front, overexposed so you can see the faint red and green glow:


Compare that with the NEC vs. the Planar:


That should make it obvious. Several people here have confirmed seeing both versions. The difference is quite noticeable.
 
 
LOL... If you hadn't circled those I think the only thing I would have noticed is how badly I need to clean my laptop.

So when are these supposed to come back in stock? I think I want one.
 
Decibel said:
LOL... If you hadn't circled those I think the only thing I would have noticed is how badly I need to clean my laptop.

So when are these supposed to come back in stock? I think I want one.
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The pictures were difficult to take and only a couple very clearly show the problems; I notice them quite easily when editing photos, etc. I could deal with a few, but there are at least 9.
 
Don't get me wrong, you need a replacement...

It was more a comment on my dirty ass screen than anything else.
 
I'm selling my brand new DS-263N 26" monitor. It has zero dead pixels and I'm 99% sure it has the polarizing filter. There is no "white glow" that I can see and the picture is absolutely perfect. I will include the color profile from my Spyder 3 on disk for you. I just decided to keep my SOYO 24" monitor instead to save some money (I'm getting married).

Unfortunately New Egg won't let me return my DS without there being something wrong with it....and there isn't. It's got literally about 11 hours of on time on it. If interested PM me with an offer. I will include the Newegg invoice as well.
 
Where are you located? I'm in the East Bay near SF, CA and need to see it in person before I'll buy.

If you're local and it checks out, I can drop the cash in your hand. Otherwise good luck.

I'll be near Washington DC and then New Jersey near New York next week...
 
Edit on 4/26/08: Both monitors have been sold. Thanks everyone for your interest.

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I have two of these monitors for sale. They are less than a month old, in new condition and carry the full manufacturer's warranty. Both of them have the polarizer. There are no dead pixels on either one...

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Is there any sense or information suggesting whether the new stock will have a polarizer or whether there will be any improvements/changes? Obviously there is an issue with consistency. Maybe all new ones will lack the polarizer as DS claims they lack them anyway. But perhaps there are some other quality inconsistencies which will be remedied? Any news on this?

Thanks.
 
New Egg seems to have Open Box in stock, I'm sure the one they got back from me yesterday will become one of them, yes I had white glow, other than that it was a perfect Monitor, well only one stuck and shifted pixel not noticable at all even under all black screen.

Moto
 
I am trying to set the aspect ratio so that the monitor doesn't stretch old games. But the expansion mode keeps on displaying "See user's manual for more info". What should I do to set the right mode?
 
madgun said:
I am trying to set the aspect ratio so that the monitor doesn't stretch old games. But the expansion mode keeps on displaying "See user's manual for more info". What should I do to set the write mode?
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Hi, try going into the setting after the game launches, that was the only time I was able to go into the settings and change it.

MotoSpark
 
madgun said:
I am trying to set the aspect ratio so that the monitor doesn't stretch old games. But the expansion mode keeps on displaying "See user's manual for more info". What should I do to set the write mode?
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I was wondering this myself. The manual seems to indicate that this setting is only available on the D-SUB and DVI-I connections.

Also, there are websites that discuss how to tweak some older games' settings files to accomplish widescreen with no or minimal "stretching", i.e. this site

http://www.widescreengamingforum.com/wiki/index.php?title=Main_Page

Unfortunately, this can't be accomplished with many older games...so keep your old trusty CRT for those!
 
The setting is available on all inputs. You have to switch to a non-native resolution first. If you still can't set it, then your video card is doing the scaling.
 
Hot. Picked up one of these just the other day and I must say it's met and exceeded my hopes. Thanks Naid!

I used the color profile from ToastyX (thanks T!) and it looks great. No dead pixels, no glow, yes on the polarizer, and yes on the all around slick look of this display.
 
Also, an aside for the other owners out there - have you tried or had any problems with the USB ports? I haven't been able to get them to work. Not really worried about it, but is there something I'm missing?
 
Well I was trying Battle for middle earth 1 and 2 in Vista. I manually changed options.ini file and set the screen resolution to 1920x1200. The game works like charm now, at native screen resolution. I did see the settings in nVidia drivers and it appears that aspect ratio is set by the monitor.
 
Filmcaptain said:
Also, an aside for the other owners out there - have you tried or had any problems with the USB ports? I haven't been able to get them to work. Not really worried about it, but is there something I'm missing?
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The USB hub works fine, I use it all the time. Are you sure the USB cable coming from the computer is securely plugged into the USB input of the Doublesight? Since that removable cover is hiding the ports, you may have to remove it and make sure the cable is in. Apart from that, nothing else needs to be done, it just works.
 
Got it, not sure what the problem was, I'd tried plugging/replugging a few times but it's going strong now.

Thanks again!
 
Has anyone learned more about HDCP snags with this monitor?

If you have had problems, have solutions been found (from DoubleSight tech support, or elsewhere?)

I am looking to order once these get back in stock... original estimates put them in this week, but, now I read it could be longer.

Hoping to hook this up to the computer on one port and a Philips DVDR3575H/3576HDD/DVDR tuner-recorder-burner. Has anyone tried that, by chance?
http://forum.videohelp.com/topic349041.html
 
I am like many and play some games, edit some pictures and videos, and want a decent size screen at a decent price. My ideal is a 22 or 24 inch screen that is IPS with this speed and lack of lag, but that doesn't exist. A smaller screen is needed in that I give presentations and want a monitor I can pack up and travel with to sit on a table and have people view DVD clips and slide shows as they pass my table. I like the Dell's with the sound bars for this reason, but a small pair of speakers would work too. This seems to be the perfect screen for me except it is too big! It also costs a bit more than I want to spend, though I agree it is a great monitor for the price. I don't mind spending a little more if it is good quality and knowing I will use it for the next several years, so convince me I should buy this monitor (when it comes back in stock and if it has the polarizer)!
 
What's to convince? It has all the features that you are looking for except size and price. Both of those concerns could be answered by purchasing a 20WMGX2 from Directron while supplies last. Better hurry.
 
I bought one of these from newegg around the 15th. I set it up with the D-sub connection on an older video card until the rest of my system was assembled, and had hard to pin down eye fatigue issues. These were partially resolved by turning the phase down to 0, but now that I have it working on a DVI connection I am still experiencing eye fatigue for reasons I can't really explain.

When I received this product the box was fairly banged up, but inside everything appeared to be ok. I do not have any white glow issues. The monitor passes most of the lagom tests. I have had a little trouble with the sharpness test, the gamma is a bit hard to correct, and the white saturation test always leaves me with 1-2 boxes of solid white at the end, and with the first box being much darker than all the following boxes.

Should I return this screen due to the eye issues? I upgraded from a trinitron Viewsonic P95f+, and would love it were it not for the unexplained fatigue. I have chronic fatigue syndrome and experience all sorts of fatigue, eye included, but this is something new. I'd love some help.
 
Squidmaster said:
I bought one of these from newegg around the 15th. I set it up with the D-sub connection on an older video card until the rest of my system was assembled, and had hard to pin down eye fatigue issues. These were partially resolved by turning the phase down to 0, but now that I have it working on a DVI connection I am still experiencing eye fatigue for reasons I can't really explain.

When I received this product the box was fairly banged up, but inside everything appeared to be ok. I do not have any white glow issues. The monitor passes most of the lagom tests. I have had a little trouble with the sharpness test, the gamma is a bit hard to correct, and the white saturation test always leaves me with 1-2 boxes of solid white at the end, and with the first box being much darker than all the following boxes.

Should I return this screen due to the eye issues? I upgraded from a trinitron Viewsonic P95f+, and would love it were it not for the unexplained fatigue. I have chronic fatigue syndrome and experience all sorts of fatigue, eye included, but this is something new. I'd love some help.
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Interesting, I made the exact same upgrade you did. What settings are you using? (brightness, sharpness) Did you adjust your ClearType preferences? I had to turn brightness to 0 and choose a ClearType setting that didn't make the left side of every character red. Also, I was conflicted over having sharpness at 40 vs. 30, but I left it at 40 for the better image quality and deal with the harsher text.

Also, you can push your display much father back now that the tube is out of the way ;)
 
I've tried placing the monitor anywhere between 3 and 4 feet away as my desk allows, give or take a few inches. It doesn't really seem to matter. I used all the settings suggested here, including the profile at first. I have not applied the profile since having the system built because I don't feel like it gave me an improvement. I may still use it down the road but it is not a factor when it comes to the eye strain. I've varied brightness between 0 and the recommended 12.5. It doesn't appear to be that either. There is something more that I don't understand going on here I think, and given some comments on this thread I am wondering if I am not using a returned monitor that has voltage problems or something along those lines.

I already am talking to newegg about it given the way it shipped, but I want to explore every option and see what the best course of action is before progressing any further.
 
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