24" Widescreen CRT (FW900) From Ebay arrived,Comments.

Never say never. I don't remember the manufacturer, but there were HD CRT TV's. You would only see them at high end stereo shops. I believe they were 32" and 16:9, and Expensive!

A friend has a 34" Sony WEGA CRT HDTV. Its Amazon page still exists. I believe it was one of the last CRT HDTV's ever made. At the time he bought it, it was half the price of a same-sized LCD HDTV.
 
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A friend has a 34" Sony WEGA CRT HDTV. Its Amazon page still exists. I believe it was one of the last CRT HDTV's ever made. At the time he bought it, it was half the price of a same-sized LCD HDTV.

I was referring to when they first came out and there weren't any LCD TV's of any type.
 
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Plasmas still suffer from "Phosphor Lag".
Granted, only a small percentage of us notice it, but for those of us that do.. it's as bothersome as motion blur on LCD, or "Rainbows" on DLP.

You know what, I'm getting the most satisfaction out of this 24" HP.....

Maybe in another 2 years I'll try HDTV again...

I am wondering do some of non sdtv friendly games look too small on the fw900 with the HdFury? I have a 27inch(in crt more like 19 since its total tv size) crt and the ps3, played Burnout Paradise and the map is barely visible, had to squint to make out the detail.
 
I am wondering do some of non sdtv friendly games look too small on the fw900 with the HdFury? I have a 27inch(in crt more like 19 since its total tv size) crt and the ps3, played Burnout Paradise and the map is barely visible, had to squint to make out the detail.

If you hook up 360 to the FW900 with a VGA cable then you wont have any trouble reading the map in Burnout.

I know what you mean tho I have a friend who plays Paradise on a 32" SDTV CRT (it only has Composite inputs, no svideo or component) and its hard to read the map.
 
I have mine setup through components on my sdtv and it's hard to see. Trying to see if HDFury is worth it so I can get the PS3 working with my FW900.
Would the FW900 even be adequate sized to play some PS3 games?
 
I am wondering do some of non sdtv friendly games look too small on the fw900 with the HdFury? I have a 27inch(in crt more like 19 since its total tv size) crt and the ps3, played Burnout Paradise and the map is barely visible, had to squint to make out the detail.


I have a 360 and Burnout Paradise. I actually run at 720P as opposed to 1080p as most 360 games are 720p native.. (less scalling for the 360 to do)

I have no trouble seeing fine detail.

Due to the hi-res, games look amazing on the FW900, much better than any 36" CRT, or even CRT projection.

SDTV is 480i, meaning no matter the screen size, you will see jaggies and the "shimmering" effects of interlacing.

Being a hi-res monitor, the FW900 improves the picture over any SDTV.
To get a similar pic on a TV, you need an HDTV set.

Oh, and sitting 2 or 3 feet away from the FW900 is like sitting 6 -8 feet away from a 46" HDTV.. in otherwords, the images never seem too "small" (at least not too me)

For comparison, I've had HDTV sets ranging in size from 42" to 65"... I don't find the FW900 small by any stretch.
 
Plasmas still suffer from "Phosphor Lag".
Granted, only a small percentage of us notice it, but for those of us that do.. it's as bothersome as motion blur on LCD, or "Rainbows" on DLP.

I went through all the HDTV tech, first plasma, than 2 LCDs, than Sony SXRD..

In the end, none were suitable for gamming for me. LCD's had blur, Plasma had the "Green/Yellow Flashes" on high contrast/fast movement...(Rainbow 6 Vegas for games, Sin City for movies, as extreme examples. The one I liked the best, was the Sony SXRD, however the grain of the screen made me feel like I was watching through sand.

In the end, all I really cared about were games, as SDTV looked terrible on all these sets..

DVDs looked pretty good, but I don't watch enough movies to justify $3000 sets..(I bought top of each line,, or near to)

So for TV, I bought a used 36" Grand Wega CRT, and the HP 24" CRT for Comp/Gamming.

I learned something.. bigger isn't better.. I've owned so many sets, I've been able to play my 360 and PC on all of them, the smallest being 46".. the Largest- 65" (SXRD)..

You know what, I'm getting the most satisfaction out of this 24" HP.....

Maybe in another 2 years I'll try HDTV again...

Phosphor lag, or trailing, or afterglow is definitely a pain. I've seen it worse on some lower end CRTs. It makes high contrast frame sequential stereo un-bearable.

There are special CRTs that can still be ordered with fast decay phosphors.


I'd love to know how or if SED/FED and plasma address this. Unfortunately, I don't even have their frame rates.

Ya I believe it was mainly the whole DAC process causing a slightly softer picture, it still looked great with VGA but I noticed it was a 'crisper' image with HDMI, also the Plasma has Phase adjustments over VGA but I never tried manually adjusting it (I left it on Auto).



Plasmas in general have deeper blacks than LCD's (LCD's main enemy is having a backlight) but the current Kuro plasma models have the best blacks compared to any other Plasma or non-CRT tv on the market, I was very surprised how deep the blacks are even when comparing it to my Sony 34XBR960 CRT HDTV in a dark room. My previous 07 model Panasonic plasma didnt even come close to the Kuro.

Im not sure whats left for SED especially with Pioneer getting ready to release the 9th gen Kuro models soon, they're claiming an even brighter picture and the ability to achieve absolute black.

I have Wii / 360 / PS3 hooked up to the Plasma and they all look beautiful, having a larger screen certainly adds to the experiance as well.

Some more random pics ive taken are located here.


Well, if they get absolute black, or at least something close, CRT would be dead as far as contrast.
CRT can do absolute black in a pitch black room, but once you display some bright imagery, reflection off the glass lighs up the rest of the screen. This is even worse for closely spaced black and white as in text.
Any flat screen tech won't have this drawback.It even allows LCD to beat CRT in the contrast of alternating pixel thin white and black lines.

I have a 360 and Burnout Paradise. I actually run at 720P as opposed to 1080p as most 360 games are 720p native.. (less scalling for the 360 to do)

I have no trouble seeing fine detail.

Due to the hi-res, games look amazing on the FW900, much better than any 36" CRT, or even CRT projection.

SDTV is 480i, meaning no matter the screen size, you will see jaggies and the "shimmering" effects of interlacing.

Being a hi-res monitor, the FW900 improves the picture over any SDTV.
To get a similar pic on a TV, you need an HDTV set.

Oh, and sitting 2 or 3 feet away from the FW900 is like sitting 6 -8 feet away from a 46" HDTV.. in otherwords, the images never seem too "small" (at least not too me)

For comparison, I've had HDTV sets ranging in size from 42" to 65"... I don't find the FW900 small by any stretch.


Unfortunately, any consumer grade HD CRT TV doesn't have enough phosphor stripes to do pixel perfect 1920x1080. It will sync to the signal, but individual pixels get blurred into their neighbors, as they share the same phosphors

The CRT TV does have one advantage going for it: a bigger phosphor target and a bigger beam to hit it with.
FED/SED or Plasma should be able to beat it though.
Not sure if Plasma's UV excited phosphor is much different than the phosphors in SED/FED and CRT.



Anyway, I'm still looking into analyzing the Anti-reflection film.

Turns out circular polarizing films do an extremely good job at eliminating the effect of ambient light, but still have a significant effect on the light from the screen.

The ideal film would block all light except for a thin band around the three primaries. That alone would probably reduce a lot of ambient light.

Though the screen would be darker, more colors would be distinct.

I doubt that can be done though, so maybe, anti glare, circular polarizer, and the best possible 'color filter' layer would be the only real solution.

For dark viewing, the polarizer would best be omitted.

If anyone knows what gives the transmittance of a sample across a range of frequencies, please speak up.

Actually,if light that has the same power across all visible frequencies is transmitted through a sample, a spectroradiometer can pick up the filtered light and reveal the percent transmittance of each frequency.

Too bad those things are so expensive.

Or, actually, this whole step can be skipped. Instead, we could start looking for the dyes to make the best color filter regardless of how Sony did it. Maybe we'll make it better than they did.
 
What kind of desk can hold this behemoth? I am thinking about buying this monitor (upgrading from 19 inch CRT SDTV). Any suggestions?

Or would I just be better of buying the LG L246WP? I have tried two LCD monitors this year at Best Buy (both TN), and I was appalled at the lack of black definition. I just had to go back to my crt SDTV. Would a PVA panel have black levels like this, or is the FW900 better?

I am looking for Deep blacks, little/no input lag or ghosting, and good color accuracy. Thank you for your help.
 
Never say never. I don't remember the manufacturer, but there were HD CRT TV's. You would only see them at high end stereo shops. I believe they were 32" and 16:9, and Expensive!

JVC and Sony made some, but they weren't good for computer text, since they weren't designed for that.
I have a Sanyo CRT HDTV, HD and movies/TV shows played on off of my HTPC look awesome, but you can't surf the web since it's not sharp enough.
 
What kind of desk can hold this behemoth? I am thinking about buying this monitor (upgrading from 19 inch CRT SDTV). Any suggestions?

Or would I just be better of buying the LG L246WP? I have tried two LCD monitors this year at Best Buy (both TN), and I was appalled at the lack of black definition. I just had to go back to my crt SDTV. Would a PVA panel have black levels like this, or is the FW900 better?

I am looking for Deep blacks, little/no input lag or ghosting, and good color accuracy. Thank you for your help.

If you want a TV there are some surprisingly good flatpanels out there which are more than good enough for television/movie use. For computer/gaming use ofc you still cant beat CRTs. If you think you can handle a 100lb (heavier towards the glass) monitor the size of your average 20-24inch CRT television set and can afford it the FW900's the monitor to hold onto until SED/FED comes out or the other technologies get up to CRT quality. Otherwise a good middleground is a 21-22 inch *tron monitor, they're only about 60lbs so they're a LOT easier to handle.

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P.s. when putting it down remember to check where your fingers and feet are more thoroughly than I did. I had the base's pattern imprinted on my palm for a week.
 
Never say never. I don't remember the manufacturer, but there were HD CRT TV's. You would only see them at high end stereo shops. I believe they were 32" and 16:9, and Expensive!

I own a 26inch Toshiba CRT HDTV. (supports DIVX with built-in USB/DVD :) )

My machine runs off a 19" CRT Samsung.
 
If you want a TV there are some surprisingly good flatpanels out there which are more than good enough for television/movie use. For computer/gaming use ofc you still cant beat CRTs. If you think you can handle a 100lb (heavier towards the glass) monitor the size of your average 20-24inch CRT television set and can afford it the FW900's the monitor to hold onto until SED/FED comes out or the other technologies get up to CRT quality. Otherwise a good middleground is a 21-22 inch *tron monitor, they're only about 60lbs so they're a LOT easier to handle.

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P.s. when putting it down remember to check where your fingers and feet are more thoroughly than I did. I had the base's pattern imprinted on my palm for a week.

I tried some 24" LCD monitors and the black levels were horrible. I don't have a high budget (around $500), and I will use it for 99% gaming and 1% movies. I definitly like the widescreen that the FW900 has. I was on the fence about getting a FW900 or a LG246WP. I have both a 360 and a PS3, so I will need to get a VGA box of some sort to play PS3 on the FW900, which would cost around $100. If I buy the FW900 for $250, then the added converter would make it around 350 dollars or so. Then I'll also need a new desk/computer hub.

I saw this picture (http://img179.imageshack.us/img179/352/33693704vm7.jpg)

Something like that would be perfect for me. I just wouldn't know where to find it. The total cost of owning the FW900 would be around $420. The problem is, I dont know whether or not I should get the LG L246Wp, which I also found for exactly $420 (my old desk could accommadate the LG, but defintly not the FW900. The LG is a pva panel also, which means it should have better black levels than the LCDs that I have tried before (TN panels).
OH THE CHOICES!!!!!!
 
I have a few LCDs and a few CRTs. I still won't give up the crts. For now i still need both.

My computer for the last few years was running a westinghouse 37w3 37" lcd with a FW900 crt. I had to set the large westy further back on its own mini-desk though. I recently replaced the westinghouse with a 28" (27.5") hansspree HF289H that uses a samsung TN panel. I calibrated the hansspree as close as I could to the FW900. They make a great pair. I still love the FW900 and find it even more useful closely paired like this as opposed to my westinghouse.

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In my living room I still have the best crt hdtv ever made, a 34" widescreen sony xbr960 with superfine pitch, and hdmi input, 1080i/720p/480p. They made a 970 monitor later but it didnt have as many lines of resolution as the 960 (the 'superfine pitch'). The monitor/crt hdtv works great for video playback off my htpc and for gaming off my ps3, but as others mentioned the text quality is really bad for your eyes at 1080i. Its a bit better at 720p but you lose a lot of screen real-estate. For now I put my westinghouse 37w3 up next to the 34" crt, in dual mode something like my desktop monitor picture. I am probably going to sell it to pay off the hannspree though. :)

I'm keeping my crt's as long as I can. They have beautiful display quality. LCD tech is all flawed, you just choose which flaws to live with - no matter how expensive the lcd. One thing I will never buy again is a slow response panel. My westinghouse was 12ms and showed screen blurring in fast motion. My hannspree is 2ms and it, along with the crt's obviously, show no screen blurring in fast motion.
 
I remember I've seen in the past that Sony 32inch HDTV CRT, I looked into buying one but I didn't like the idea of 16:9 back then would have mean loosing vertical space wen all cable had was 4:3 rez. It also weight a ton, was looking at around 200lbs and it is oddly shaped to haul around unlike my fw900, I carried this baby in the house like a toy (weight lifting).
 
^ Yeah? What are your stats (Bench, squat, deadlift, etc.) ?

I used to lift weights, but a injury last year put me out (basketball). I haven't started up since. I just hope I can carry this beast when it comes!
 
I have mine setup through components on my sdtv and it's hard to see. Trying to see if HDFury is worth it so I can get the PS3 working with my FW900.
Would the FW900 even be adequate sized to play some PS3 games?
mmm i ordered a DVI > HDMI converter (5$) for my BNC>DVI cable, will the PS3 not work with this? will i need to purchase the HDFury?
 
The sony crt hdtv is 34" widescreen, not sure if thats the actuallscreen size though. I'm pretty strong but its 196 Lbs and too bulky which makes it awkward. I don't 'lug around' the 34" or the fw900 though really. I only moved the fw900 recently after two years of placement, because I replaced my westinghouse 37" (too big at desk) with a hannspree HF289H (27.5") lcd and wanted the fw900 snugly paired with it.

BTW benching and powerlifting is overrated imo. Palms fwd pullups, pushups on blocks, and straight legged "L" leg lifts on pinion station are more a test of mettle to me that make some baby huey lifters cry. Some other good exercises/torture are lunge reps while holding weights and some heavy dumbell work like standing overhead 'military' presses, curls, and punching (with somewhat lighter ones). Another great power developer is working a heavy bag hard - you have to use your whole body if you are doing it right. The only machines I really like are a lat pulldown machine and pulley or bowflex setups that let you resistance-punch outward with handles, and an elliptical machine with resistance. :cool:
 
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PS: Anyone willing to ship some removed anti glare coating? .


I still have mine... just like I informed you 2 weeks ago....I'm tired of holding onto it so its going in the garage today, you better speak up it you want it ...
 
The following is a PM I just sent to Sony Windas - Figured I'd paste it in this thread as well to leave it open for other suggestions :) Be my FW900 savior!

Hi there, I was reading up on the fw900 today and I noticed you seem to know a lot about this monitor, and have already answered a lot of questions for others.

I've got a doozy for ya... First off, imo, I feel this one is dead... bad "board" or PSU or something like that. Problem is.. I have the windas software and cable, and have been able to use it successfully to try and change something in order to solve my problem... but to no avail.

Here's what happened:

I bought the monitor through ebay. It worked perfectly for the first 2 months. The screen is in pristine condition. Looks great when it's on... no weird anomalies. However, around the 2 month mark of owning it... it started to randomly shut off, power off, go into powersave, go into "standby" mode or whatever you want to call it. Usually when it first started happening, I could just press the power button to turn it off, then turn it back on, and it turns on just fine again; the display comes up.

Sadly, this got much more frequent. Up until the point where it is now extremely rare for me to be able to get it to display for more than a second. There were times when it first started getting pretty bad, where I could get it to display for 5 seconds, 2 mins, or sometimes over an hour before it shut off.

After trying different power cables and outlets, VGA, BNC-->VGA, BNC--DVI, different PCs and an xbox 360, different resolutions and refresh rates, lowered brightness and contrast etc. I decided to try to get a Windas cable in the hopes that with that, I could finally fix it.

I got the software and the connection working fine. It's been a while, but I can remember I tried changing settings related to power, brightness and contrast settings etc. It would always apply the settings (verified by looking at the display for the brief second it was up, and the app itself). I did this for hours... trying anything. But to no avail.

So now it's been sitting in my closet for months...

But now I've got quite the dilemma on my hands. I'm moving back home from utah to Los Angeles, in my small sedan. I've got a ton of stuff + much more I've accumulated while being here. After all the must takes, there is no way the CRT is going to fit

I'm going to store it with family here in utah for the time being, unless I can fix it in the next 2 days... then I'll make room or rent a uhaul or something

Here's a TL;DR breakdown:

My Sony FW900 goes into some sort of "powersave" or standby mode after 1-3 secs of display, regardless of the source, res, RR, or cables. The light on the power button blinks orange. From what I've read, that means "monitor failure"...

Know of anything I might have missed? Or what specific setting should I look at in Windas that would apply to this type of problem?

ANY help or confirmation that this thing is officially dead and would cost way too much to fix (def can't afford to ship it anywhere) would be a great help!
 
For those of you who have bought this monitor and had it shipped, how did you do so? I'm looking at some insane amount of shipping from a seller around 8 hours away from me (I think 250-300$ FedExfreight). Any ideas? I'm considering just taking a day and driving down there to snag it when I get out of school.

Edit: Nevermind. I found another where the companies shipping is much more reasonable. I think I'm going to snag one tonight or tomorrow and see how it works out :D
 
Kaluminati,

Sorry I don't have a real email hooked up at HardForum, so I don't get PMs.

In any case, I can't give much advise other than to perform the basic checks in the service manual.

I'm not intimately familiar with the circuits on this thing. I'd have guessesd the ABL was doing it, but apparently, it's not. Does it give any failures in DAS? Maybe it's a more primitive hardware safety shut off.


So, I imagine you left it.

Sorry I couldn't help you. I remember reading your post from a while ago though, so when I come up with a good idea of what may have caused that, I'll post here.
 
This monitor was made in June of 2002. I've used it for two years and the picture is perfect. There is a small crack on one of the usb ports on the base of the monitor. This was this way when I got the monitor. The picture is perfect, but I need to move to a smaller 20" monitor so this has to go. I'm looking for $350 plus shipping. Will only ship to USA. Have heat for aktrader.
 
My FW900 looks awesome, except it seems to be getting more blue tinted as time goes on. I've tried adjusting it in the OSD, but the color adjustments are kinda strange and don't really fix it. It goes from a blue tint to a teal one when I go from one extreme to the other. Will Windas be able to fix this? Am I missing a control in the OSD? Do you guys use "Easy", "Expert", or "SRGB"?
 
Well Sony's quoted price for repairs is $300 roughly for any fw900 out of warranty.

I've got a dead one in my basement that had the snapping/popping picture every once in awhile until it died after I had it for a few months (was a refurb so no warranty). I've been thinking about sending it in for repair. It's an HP branded one, so I don't know if Sony would touch it. Too bad there is no way to get these fixed locally, because shipping is going to be a pain in the rear.
 
For those of you who have bought this monitor and had it shipped, how did you do so? I'm looking at some insane amount of shipping from a seller around 8 hours away from me (I think 250-300$ FedExfreight). Any ideas? I'm considering just taking a day and driving down there to snag it when I get out of school.

Edit: Nevermind. I found another where the companies shipping is much more reasonable. I think I'm going to snag one tonight or tomorrow and see how it works out :D

I had one shipped from Ohio to NJ for $80.00...UPS ground
 
I had one shipped from Ohio to NJ for $80.00...UPS ground

I appreciate the response bud. I ended up just picking one up from eBay for ~250$ shipped. Hopefully it makes it here in one piece :D After using LCDs for the past few years it's going to be an.. interesting experience to get a CRT back in :D
 
Didnt think there would be such huge fans for this monitor,
i got 2 given to me by a mate and wasnt 100% sure to take them or not,
i took so long in collecting them, that she phoned me up and then dropped them off herself,
first impression were damm these things are huge, so soon as i notice the bnc ports on the back i tried out a hdmi to bnc adapter and was shock at how good the picture was, so ever since then i have left the ps3 in my bedroom connected to it and use the big tv just with sky........
 
I appreciate the response bud. I ended up just picking one up from eBay for ~250$ shipped. Hopefully it makes it here in one piece :D After using LCDs for the past few years it's going to be an.. interesting experience to get a CRT back in :D

Who'd you buy it from? I got mine of of ebay shipped as well at the same price. It was shipped a few days ago, and should be here early next week!
 
I got mine through Accurate IT. I originally was interested in the seller from Michigan, but 250$ shipping was just too much. I don't think that mine's shipped yet, so it'll probably be here sometime next week at the earliest.
 
does anyone know if the HP A7217A has the same refresh rates available at the same resolutions as the fw-900? im trying to decide on which to purchase.
 
does anyone know if the HP A7217A has the same refresh rates available at the same resolutions as the fw-900? im trying to decide on which to purchase.
I have the HP version and they are identical in every way except the label on the frame and the HP gets identified in windows as A7217A but you can still use the FW900 driver.
 
thx for the reply shiznit. so whats your refresh rate @ 1920 x 1080? and what rez do you like the best on your hp?
 
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