New screenshots from Fallout 3

I bought Oblivion, i played it for a day and gave up. I couldnt stand the skill system. It was just terrible. They made it the way it was so they didnt have to worry about balancing and they could say "its how its inteded".

When you leave it up to randomness to predict how your character to evolve then it becomes epic fail. I didnt even mind the way monsters scaled with you. I just couldnt stand the skill system.

I tried the mods that gave you attributes and what not a specific amount each level and i still felt like "am i playing this the way its meant to be played" am i becoming too strong? Too weak? There is no guidelines to how the game should be played.

That and you can beat the game at a rediculously low level. Then all thats left is to explore, and do random various quests. Oh boy thats exciting.

Im unfortunatley one of "those" players that needs a little more direction in my game and limitations, much like Diablo II. Im glad they made the game open ended, but it couldve easily been 10x better if they gave it just a little more direction and put effort into balancing the skills for a more commonly seen attribute / skills system.
 
Inu, that's exactly what the fallout series was. Yes a little bit more 'directed', but still ultimately very open ended. You could go off the beaten path and do side quests, just kill random things, etc.

If Bethseda does that, they wouldn't be taking Oblivion and putting a new skin on it. They would still be doing exactly what the originals did.
 
Inu said:
I bought Oblivion, i played it for a day and gave up. I couldnt stand the skill system. It was just terrible. They made it the way it was so they didnt have to worry about balancing and they could say "its how its inteded".

When you leave it up to randomness to predict how your character to evolve then it becomes epic fail. I didnt even mind the way monsters scaled with you. I just couldnt stand the skill system.

I tried the mods that gave you attributes and what not a specific amount each level and i still felt like "am i playing this the way its meant to be played" am i becoming too strong? Too weak? There is no guidelines to how the game should be played.

That and you can beat the game at a rediculously low level. Then all thats left is to explore, and do random various quests. Oh boy thats exciting.

Im unfortunatley one of "those" players that needs a little more direction in my game and limitations, much like Diablo II. Im glad they made the game open ended, but it couldve easily been 10x better if they gave it just a little more direction and put effort into balancing the skills for a more commonly seen attribute / skills system.
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nGCD is the mod that fixes the level system and skill progress. ;)
http://www.bethsoft.com/bgsforums/index.php?showtopic=790916
 
Wait a second, tell me if I'm missing something:

Please tell me that this is a first person perspective, and not a third person. Or, did Bethesda make it exactly like Oblivion, where it was seamless and didn't matter how you played it? BTW, Bethesda is the ONLY game developer I know that knows how to integrate 1st and 3rd person seamlessly.
 
The only thing I did not like about Oblivion was the lack of item variety. I want my lootz.
 
Thanks Neverlift i might as well give it a try, ive always wanted to justify my purchase.
 
Chombo said:
The only thing I did not like about Oblivion was the lack of item variety. I want my lootz.
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Like weapons, armor, and such? Think MMM, Francesco's, and waalx's realswords would fit the bill.
 
SPARTAN VI said:
Like weapons, armor, and such? Think MMM, Francesco's, and waalx's realswords would fit the bill.
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Exactly. I will have to check that out.

With stock Oblivion I just didn't feel like there was much variety in what I could equip.
 
ajm786 said:
Wait a second, tell me if I'm missing something:

Please tell me that this is a first person perspective, and not a third person. Or, did Bethesda make it exactly like Oblivion, where it was seamless and didn't matter how you played it? BTW, Bethesda is the ONLY game developer I know that knows how to integrate 1st and 3rd person seamlessly.
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Yes it's both again and the devs say the 3rd person is more playable than it was in Oblivion where it was mostly for vanity purposes.
 
Oh man I cant wait it looks great and Dogmeat is in it, awesome!., also , if any of you have never read the book by Cormac Mccarthy "The Road" I suggest you do so.
 
i'll buy it if it retains the same humor value as fallout 1+2, whether it be just funny, sexual, or sick & twisted.
 
Looking good, it's going to be hard to make Fallout3 without causing a stir of emotions on the old gamers amongst us, simply because of how good fallout1 and fallout2 were.

If they manage to keep the humour, the freedom and the adult theme, I think that's a good step forward, by the sounds of things they have, some of the other vault experiments sound hilarious like 1 man and all the rest women, this is the kind of humour I came to expect from the original titles and made the game totally worth playing.
 
Looking fantastic. Fallout 1 and 2 were all time classics. This is the game of 2008 for me, I really can't wait...
 
I bought the Fallout 1 & 2 package since everyone on here saying how it's such an awesome game.

I cannot get into this game though! For one, it's so slow and two, it's turn based. I have only played Fallout 1, is Fallout 2 any better? You guys have any tips on how to enjoy the game more?
 
I can't view the site here at work. Can anyone post some of the screenshots? No flickr, imageshack, or photobucket, as those sites are blocked too. :(
 
I regret not playing Fallout back in the day...it came during a spell where I wasn't really gaming any.

This is looking really good though. My hope is that the system load isn't a ton worse than Oblivion and it'll play decently on a medium-high end system. I very much dig the post-apocalyptic wasteland thing in games if it's done well.

I got kind of burned out on Oblivion too. It was a great game, but if you didn't very very carefully plan you skills your character basically broke once your levels got high enough. It gets to the point that every menial goon is a giant testicle-smashing, screen-filling uber-beast with big pointy teeth and it made the whole thing just seem weird and too difficult for the character I'd been leveling up that whole time.

I think maybe I need to try again with the oblivion overhaul mod and all the nice graphics stuff. Still haven't played it with AA and HDR since I got a card capable of such.
 
Silus said:
Wow! Screens look awesome!
Bethesda has yet to fail me, so I don't doubt the quality of this game. I never played any of the previous Fallouts, but 3 is definitely a game I want to try.
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Star Trek Legacy = epic fail. But yeah other than that, cant wait for this frickin game.
 
Hulk said:
I cannot get into this game though! For one, it's so slow and two, it's turn based.
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That's what I like about it. You'll need something of an attention span to finish it, but the payoff is tremendous.

My only advice is that you just keep playing it. I can almost guarantee that, at some point, you'll come around. When you finish it, it'll make your top 10 list.
 
Hulk said:
I bought the Fallout 1 & 2 package since everyone on here saying how it's such an awesome game.

I cannot get into this game though! For one, it's so slow and two, it's turn based. I have only played Fallout 1, is Fallout 2 any better? You guys have any tips on how to enjoy the game more?
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Give it time, its really slow to get going do to lack of items/weapons. Not that it speeds up in a sense, but it is more entertaining after you develop a bit. Fallout 2 is much the same, but it throws you in a bit faster do to the temple/trials in the beginning.
 
I'm replaying FO2 right now. Gosh it's painful at 1920x1200. Just plain ugly and blurry. Oh how I loved these games when they first came out though. Still top 10 fo life.
 
NEVERLIFT said:
You must really not have a clue when it comes to cRPG's to ask this question.

The best cRPG's were made by Black Isle. ;)

If you're interested in learning about real cRPG's you should visit www.rpgcodex.net :p
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MooCow, while I agree with Neverlift, your question set me to understand exactly why I love Fallout so much.

Let me start by saying I've never played Fallout Tactics. Not that I'd never want to, but I work 10+ hours a day now (as opposed to 1997), leaving little time to game.

I've heard FT compared to Fallout1+2 in the way that Final Fantasy Tactics was compared to Final Fantasy(#) -- that they're two different types of games. Aside from some game content and name, they share little else.

I love F1+F2 for the simple, slow story lines that blossom into complex plots; for the open-ended gameplay, permitting travel as far as your character can walk, giving hints as where to go next but not forcing it; letting the character (at start and through development) be dynamically good or evil, physically or mentally strong, skilled or talented; for the humor and drama; for the quality scripts and acting. I've played both through more than 3 times each, because choosing different skills forces different choices through the game. Can't shoot up that baddie? Out-think or sneak past him. Replay value is through the roof, as it never plays the same way twice.

In other words, I like playing RPGs, and Fallout was highly innovative in how it handled itself. The switching to and from combat mode is sometimes annoying, but in Final Fantasy that switch can take MINUTES instead of seconds, in a much less seamless way. The character interaction was brand-new and is still high quality to this day. The goals aren't spelled out for you; active thought and experimentation is required. It's intellectually engaging and pleasing.

I'll stop here, diarrhea of the keyboard and all. I just hope this answers the question a bit more thoroughly than searching through a forum.
 
Hulk said:
I bought the Fallout 1 & 2 package since everyone on here saying how it's such an awesome game.

I cannot get into this game though! For one, it's so slow and two, it's turn based. I have only played Fallout 1, is Fallout 2 any better? You guys have any tips on how to enjoy the game more?
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Have you ever read an Agatha Christie or Stephen King novel? Both are difficult to get into, but highly rewarding in the end. I suggest, if the next step is not obvious, look up some help online (gamefaqs.com, my favorite) -- but the next step only. Fallout is great in that keeping the player in the dark is intentional and accounted for.

Listen to what the other characters are telling you. The hints as to what to do next are in their words. Are there raiders bothering villagers? Try taking them out. Too much? Reload and try recruiting some help first. Or screw the town by killing everyone present.
 
Dj_spanmaster, play Tactics, just 2 works "gauss gatling" ^_^. Fallout Tactics was more linear then the rest, moving from one HQ to another and going about missions. It was cool because you had to use a team and it was neat to set people up to accomplish your objective. Also you could paly it in real time or the classical way. Many times I layed out snipers behind me while I would scout ahead, or rush a pack of teamates at a single target. Ah, good times.
 
since its a bit slow today at work I'm going to add my 2 cents:

1) Oblivion: I put around 80 hours in on the vanilla game when it came out but got really bored. All the criticisms I have heard here are valid. But 18 months later I re-installed it. By then the mod scene really had matured, and I found mods that addressed nearly all of my issues with the game. Discovering, installing and getting all of those mods to work together became a side hobby in itself. But I then got over 260 hours on the next run through the modded game before I started getting bored again, maybe the highest rate of return I ever got for a game. Anyone that is interested and hasn't already head over to the oblivion mod forums and dive in.

2) Fallout ... and more. Ok, as an older (36) PC gamer that cut my teeth on the old school classics there really isn't much around anymore on the PC gaming scene that I actually look forward to. Maybe this is the cliche where the guy in the movie says I'm getting too old for this S&*t. I have a great job and can afford the very best hardware, but simply don't have the time like I used to and really good, smart, and clever games seem like a fond memory. Now don't take this as a flame to anything related to consoles, but I think that the old schoolers here will agree that for better or worse gaming is just ... different now.

But Fallout 3 is one of the few things that I would really like to see happen, I just had so many good times with 1 & 2. And if they open it up to modding (sorry, I haven't been paying attention enough to know if they've said either way) then I'm pretty sure that whatever shortcomings of the vanilla game can be overcome by the talented and dedicated mod community. And even if they don't allow it, I'm planning on getting it anyway just for old time sake. If it turns out to be a great game, more the better. Now I just need to find some time to play it :D

cheers!

edit: spelling
 
I'm stoked about Fallout 3. If they manage to keep the setting/mood of FO1+2, I'll probably hibernate in my basement playing FO3 for months.
 
SoftScience said:
Now don't take this as a flame to anything related to consoles, but I think that the old schoolers here will agree that for better or worse gaming is just ... different now.
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No argument there. I think the "golden age" of gaming has simply come and gone, and if you ask me, the original Fallout was unleashed right smack in the middle of it.

Then again, I'm an old man and my opinions no longer have much relevance, so I'm going to head back to the rocking chair for a bit.
 
Hulk said:
I bought the Fallout 1 & 2 package since everyone on here saying how it's such an awesome game.

I cannot get into this game though! For one, it's so slow and two, it's turn based. I have only played Fallout 1, is Fallout 2 any better? You guys have any tips on how to enjoy the game more?
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Not sure what you want to hear? You either like these games and except them or you dont.

Games like Planescape Torment, Baldur's Gate and Fallout are true cRPG, kids that like shiney graphics and twiched based fps action should look elsewhere I guess.
If you have ADD... then games like this might be hard for you to take in.
 
4saken said:
Star Trek Legacy = epic fail. But yeah other than that, cant wait for this frickin game.
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QFT

Talk about making a fan base hate you... Bethesda sure had some serious backlash from that game.

And trust me, if Bethesda drops the ball with FO3 there will be some serious backlash... and I think the game reviews will not be so kind this time around.


PS: I sure wish someone would make a mod to fix the dialog/chat system in Oblivion. :D
 
Baldurs gate 1, the game that got so much right.
none of that epic stuff. level 7 was the cut off (if i remember correctly) so you had a real fight on your hands.

Golden Age of Gaming (GAG) happened multiple times, and not to say that it wont happen again.
The time when Space Quest 4 came out, and Space Quest 1 was redone and Star Control 2 came out along with MechWarrior...

then came the SVGA 3D revolution with the Fallout games in the middle.

oh the good times. Fallout 3 might be like Oblivion in that, if it is open for mods, then it might be worth waiting for a few till playing it, if you dont like what you see at first.
Games like that have a lot of value
 
The screenshots look good--I'm still keeping my eye on this. :) Hopefully some day a real product comes from it!

202276
 
Megalomaniac said:
Golden Age of Gaming (GAG) happened multiple times, and not to say that it wont happen again.
The time when Space Quest 4 came out, and Space Quest 1 was redone and Star Control 2 came out along with MechWarrior...
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Right on. I'm 31 and got my start on the PC side with Space Quest 3, Future Wars, A-10 Tank Killer, M-1 Tank Platoon, and the like. They simply don't make 'em like that anymore: the longevity just isn't there now.
 
NickTheNut said:
Inu, that's exactly what the fallout series was. Yes a little bit more 'directed', but still ultimately very open ended. You could go off the beaten path and do side quests, just kill random things, etc.

If Bethseda does that, they wouldn't be taking Oblivion and putting a new skin on it. They would still be doing exactly what the originals did.
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Beth already screwed up on not letting you kill an entire village...children cannot be killed.
That in and of itself is lame.


FanZ said:
i'll buy it if it retains the same humor value as fallout 1+2, whether it be just funny, sexual, or sick & twisted.
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They are going for a MA rating I wouldnt expect to much of the original to return :( espeically now with todays PC world...we cant offend anyone you know


Hulk said:
I bought the Fallout 1 & 2 package since everyone on here saying how it's such an awesome game.

I cannot get into this game though! For one, it's so slow and two, it's turn based. I have only played Fallout 1, is Fallout 2 any better? You guys have any tips on how to enjoy the game more?
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heres a hint...keep playing it.
Also turn based is the shit...I cant stand it in many games but the fallout series is one that i simply loved it in.


phide said:
No argument there. I think the "golden age" of gaming has simply come and gone, and if you ask me, the original Fallout was unleashed right smack in the middle of it.

Then again, I'm an old man and my opinions no longer have much relevance, so I'm going to head back to the rocking chair for a bit.
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If by Golden Age you mean "when the story mattered more than the graphics", the yes you are correct. Anymore people dont even bother to pick up a good game unless the graphics are photorealistic. Hell anymore most gamers that are bitching are of the generation that dont know WTF a Coleco Vision, Atari, NES and what not are/were.
 
Visable-assassin said:
Beth already screwed up on not letting you kill an entire village...children cannot be killed.
That in and of itself is lame.
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I would hardly say that a 'screw up'. In fact, besides the intro / character building scenes, are there even children in their games?

Bethseda has never really included children in their games to begin with, so why start now? I never tried to do this in F1&2, but can you kill children in them?

Also, even though it sounds PC of me to say, I don't mind this not being allowed in the game. Honestly the last thing we (meaning gamers) need is more bad publicity about a game that allows you to kill children.

Visable-assassin said:
They are going for a MA rating I wouldnt expect to much of the original to return :( espeically now with todays PC world...we cant offend anyone you know
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Do you realize that the originals are also rated M (not MA, which doesn't exist)? The only thing that might make them get an AO rating now is their sexual jokes, which weren't any worse than most jokes in TV series. Most of the originals humor came from pop culture references, and inside 'geek' jokes.

Regardless of it having the name Fallout 3, this game will kick ass in it's own right. It's only that it has to live up to games that are.. what10 years old? that it will suck in some peoples eyes. I have a feeling that if it didn't carry the Fallout name, people would be going absolutely crazy over this game!
 
NickTheNut said:
I have a feeling that if it didn't carry the Fallout name, people would be going absolutely crazy over this game!
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Most real gamers realize and see Morrowind and Oblivion for what they really are, dumb down console ports.
The games were really helped along thanks to the modding community.
I know I would not have played either game if it was not for certain mods anyway.

I'm sacrifice some cheese to the gods now and here's to hoping Bethesda makes a good game thats worthy of the Fallout name. :D
 
NEVERLIFT said:
Most real gamers realize and see Morrowind and Oblivion for what they really are, dumb down console ports.
The games were really helped along thanks to the modding community.
I know I would not have played either game if it was not for certain mods anyway.
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I would strongly disagree with that statement. I remember when these games came out, and well after that, people were going on and on about how good the games were. While Oblivion did have some pretty big flaws(the leveling system for instance), both were still very solid games. And both have a huge following for a reason, and that's not because they could be modded. It's because they were good!

Think about it; if a game were absolute crap, but could be modded really easily, do you think people would actually be interested in modding it? Usually it's the core game that attracts the gamers first, not what the game can become by a third party.

But that's kind of a chicken-egg situation, because many mods brought gamers to a specific game in the first place - Counter Strike for instance. But it still stands that Half Life was a kick ass game to begin with.

Regardless, this conversation can easily go back and forth. No matter the case, I think we're all looking forward to F3 :)
 
NickTheNut said:
I would strongly disagree with that statement. I remember when these games came out, and well after that, people were going on and on about how good the games were. While Oblivion did have some pretty big flaws(the leveling system for instance), both were still very solid games. And both have a huge following for a reason, and that's not because they could be modded. It's because they were good!

Think about it; if a game were absolute crap, but could be modded really easily, do you think people would actually be interested in modding it? Usually it's the core game that attracts the gamers first, not what the game can become by a third party.

But that's kind of a chicken-egg situation, because many mods brought gamers to a specific game in the first place - Counter Strike for instance. But it still stands that Half Life was a kick ass game to begin with.

Regardless, this conversation can easily go back and forth. No matter the case, I think we're all looking forward to F3 :)
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Morrowind and Oblivion were big sand boxes to play in. :D
 
Time for some FO1+2 remanising...

Who remembers the gambling bum in one of the early villages in fallout2, he had a "system" and lost all his money, you do a job for a barmaid to go and collect from him, and you can either kill the guy or a few other things, or you can actually pay his tab off for him. If you chose to do that he asks you for more money to try and win his money back which I also picked.

OK so you think you've just wasted like $100 on this guy and not made any progress in the mission and basically lost a load of money. But a little later into the game if you come back to this area this bum is in a tux and has loads of money and he pays you back like $2,000 and loads of expensive goods.

Thats by far and away the best thing I've ever seen in a RPG.

The next best thing was using the pick pocket skill to pick pocket objects onto enemies, such as the preacher dude you have to kill later in the game, arm your dynamite and pick pocket it onto him, then leg it :)

Those were the days!
 
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