DoubleSight DS-263N - 26"

I wanted to add to this as well.

I got my replacement last week and noticed the screen looked different from the one I sent in (from NewEgg). I can safely say that my new one has the polarizer as well. When looked from angles I can see no whitening effect as well and pretty much get a slight redening color at extreme angles, but no where near anything as bad as the Apple.

I really am SO pleased with this purchase and knowing it comes with a well backed 3 year warranty, this thing is just a win-win. I'm looking to get a Dell 2005 or 2007 now to complement this thing and go dual. Hoping to find a good deal on Ebay. :D
 
Has anyone ordered this monitor from Amazon? It's $744 there, but I've dealt with AZN for years (photography & video equipment) and have never had a complaint re: service or returns.I was wondering if folks were seeing the polarizer vs. non polarizer issue from AZN purchases, as well...

Thanks,
ivy
 
Ryan, with the polarizer, I only see the red or green glow from extreme vertical angles (ie standing up about 2 feet above the monitor)... then it is apparent on sides... but only if viewed from above and only if viewing a normal screen (ie a populated desktop).

IF however I am on a solid black screen (the earth picture doesn't even do this... it has to be solid black), I see the red and green glow in many more locations even front on. If there is a movie playing I don't see anything... again it's only on solid black screen. I think the back light bleed also makes the polarizer colors show more as well, so thats one reason... instead of normal white back light bleed, you get varying colors of red and green. If I had a good camera I'd take a picture.

As far as the white glow, I would assume it would only show at the same angles that I am referring too
 
This is what I found on wikipedia:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TFT_LCD
The pros/cons of the H-IPS over the S-IPS:

Pros:

* Much less backlight bleed.
* No purple hue visible at an angle
* Backlight bleed improves looking at an angle
* Less noise or glitter seen on the panel surface (smoother surface)

Cons:

* Still some backlight bleed in areas that are green.
* Viewing angle is narrower.
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* Backlight bleed improves looking at an angle
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I would define blacklight bleed as non-uniform white light visible on a black background that can be viewed at any angle.

If it changes with angle, it's not backlight bleed.
 
Well, well well. I am not a LCD guru but this new display shipped from DoubleSight direclty (replacement from my NewEgg purchase) has something different.

I don't have a good camera to take a photo but I had both the old one and the new side by side and the old one definitely has the white glow. I used UDPixel to display a completely black screen and the new one was still very black at an angle.

My only question is would the polarizer make the screen less bright/white? This new screen does not seem as bright and the white not as white??

Another improvement is the button at the bottom to control the settings. The little toggle is vastly improved and is a lot easier to use.

Man the blacks look really, really good on this screen. I would say buy this monitor now!!!!!!
 
Well mine's been shipped, and it's coming from Tennessee so hopefully it'll be one of those with the polarizer.
 
Still some backlight bleed in areas that are green????

That doesn't make sense. Backlight bleed is due to the LCD not filtering out light properly...

Gotta love wikipedia sometimes.
 
Hey batai, what state are you located in? I'm in Utah, so I'm just wondering about the chances of getting one from Tennessee when I'm right next to California.
 
I feel like a broken record asking about noise, but does this monitor have any audible buzzing at 0 brightness when sitting in front of it?

edit: Also, is there *any* store confirmed to have the polarized version?
 
I feel like a broken record asking about noise, but does this monitor have any audible buzzing at 0 brightness when sitting in front of it?
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I don't hear any noise sitting here normally... If I put my ear right on it you can hear just a slight "electric device" noise.

It's silent.
 
Greg Feldman said:
My question: how sure can you be that this is because of a polarizing film as opposed to a completely different panel? I would almost expect something like this from a PVA panel, although I don't think this is one. Any way to confirm?
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I can tell it's the same panel because all the other characteristics are the same.

Other than the glow, both have the same viewing angles. It's definitely not a VA panel. The gamma curve is not distorted like on VA panels. VA panels wash out at the slightest angle, especially with darker colors. This can easily be seen with this image:
va-test.png

On VA panels, the word "TEST" becomes much lighter at an angle, while on IPS panels, it remains consistent.

Both monitors have the same faint horizontal lines that I've seen on the NEC and Planar monitors where every other row of pixels is slightly lighter. I don't know why nobody else seems to notice them, but I've only seen those lines on monitors with the 26" H-IPS panel.

Both have the same faint brushed metal kind of lines on a black screen. I've only seen those lines on LG IPS panels. They're horizontal on H-IPS panels and vertical on S-IPS panels I've seen. VA panels don't have those lines.

The contrast ratio measured around 600:1 on both monitors. VA panels have much better contrast ratios.

I checked the gamut to see if it was a newer panel, but the gamut on the new one is the same as the first one.

I can't find a difference other than the glow. The first one had a strong white glow at slight angles like I've seen on the Planar and the newer 23" Apple, which both have IPS panels. Older IPS panels had a similar glow, but it was orange at slight angles and purple at extreme angles.

The new one has a much fainter red or green glow on black, depending on the angle, just like the NEC LCD2690WUXi. The NEC is advertised as having an H-IPS panel with the A-TW (Advanced True Wide) polarizer. The polarizer is LG's technology. They use it in their HDTVs. I found a reference to it in this article: http://www.twice.com/article/CA6387622.html

"The TruWide Viewing Angle technology, which this year is found in all LCD models 32W-inchs and larger, employs an advanced true wide polarizer to maintains a uniform contrast ratio with a viewing angle of up 178 degrees."

As far as I can tell, that's the reason for the difference, but I could be wrong considering I can find very little information about this.
 
Thomase-r said:
Did your calibration change much from your original ICC? I'm using the one you posted currently.
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The new one is very similar to the first one. It's only slightly different. The original profile works well with the new one.



RyanH said:
Hey guys I have a quick question, I can easily see the white glow on the apple 23" and the first doublesight that toasty had but thats from an angle. when viewed straight on does the doublesight look the same regardless if it has the polarizer or not. Im just wondering at how much of an angle the white glow really starts to become apparent like that cause it would really seem to bother me too.
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Even when you're sitting in front of a monitor, you're always looking at some part of the screen at an angle. The glow can be seen more towards the bottom corners from a normal viewing position. You'd have to be sitting at least 3-4 feet away to completely eliminate the glow. Black looks better from a normal viewing distance with the polarizer.



TrentJ said:
My only question is would the polarizer make the screen less bright/white? This new screen does not seem as bright and the white not as white??
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I found the brightness is about the same on both. It doesn't have a brightness regulator, so it takes some time to warm up to full brightness after being off for a while.
 
Mine arrived from NewEgg last night. Got it hooked up briefly, didn't have a whole lot of time to really enjoy it (GF was over). Didn't notice any dead pixels. Will load Toasty's ICC and run some pixel tests, but so far I'm very very happy with it.

I based my purchasing decision on the excellent recommendations of the people here on the [H]ardForums. I just wanted to post a quick thank you to all those who have contributed to this thread. Thanks!
 
Oh then that makes sense about the brightness...I took it straight out of the box and set it next to the first monitor. The new one was definitely less bright. However, the black looks so much better (probably due to less white glow). Plus I have zero defects (dead/stuck pixels)!!! And the backlight bleed seems to be less as well!

DoubleSight was very easy to work with and quick to ship out the new monitor. Same day as I called in! All that I have to do is pay for shipping back to them with the defective monitor. Probably cost me $25.
 
Anyone know if buy.com is shipping the polarizer version?

Edit: Ahh it looks like buy.com isn't shipping the polarizer version.

Thanks and great thread.
 
Well, I decided to return my panel to Amazon for a replacement. If I get a new one that is otherwise perfect (no dead/stuck pixels, minimal BLB) but lacks the polarizer, I'll live with it. But if it similarly has stuck pixels and the like, perhaps I'll go directly through DS, as people seem to be having good luck with them.
 
0100 were did you get they arent shipping the polarizer version? Didnt toasty get his from buy.com?

The polarizer is a NEW thing in this monitor, seems only monitors in the last 2 weeks have had the polarizer.
 
Someone asked yesterday where my new version (no white glow) shipped from. It shipped from California, straight from DoubleSight's fulfillment center.

FWIW, my original one (with white glow) shipped from Tennessee. Purchased from buy.com.

This new one is just flat-out much better. Maybe it's because I asked DoubleSight to QA it by hand before they sent it to me. Or maybe it was just luck. But whereas the first one had the white glow, a stuck pixel, a clumsily tilted DoubleSight badge, a case that was not quite "snapped shut" around the panel, and most importantly the huge clumpy defect I showed here last week, this new one has none of the above.

My only complaint is that it's way too bright at factory settings. Calibrating with a Spyder2Express gets the color perfect but leaves it blindingly bright when you let the Spyder profile do all the work, as you're supposed to do. I set the brightness to 50% (or 49.8%, or whatever the odd OSD math gives me) and then calibrated again. It's better this way.

It's a great monitor.
 
Greg Feldman said:
My only complaint is that it's way too bright at factory settings. Calibrating with a Spyder2Express gets the color perfect but leaves it blindingly bright when you let the Spyder profile do all the work, as you're supposed to do. I set the brightness to 50% (or 49.8%, or whatever the odd OSD math gives me) and then calibrated again. It's better this way.

It's a great monitor.
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Is this a pretty good colorimeter? I've been thinking of getting one to calibrate this monitor, but don't want to spend $200+ on one. Newegg has these for $59.95. I don't do color-critical work, I'll be using this monitor for gaming and ordinary usage, so I've been wondering about whether I really even need a colorimeter. Seems like overall the best way to accurately calibrate the monitor though according to what I've read.
 
batai37 said:
Is this a pretty good colorimeter? I've been thinking of getting one to calibrate this monitor, but don't want to spend $200+ on one. Newegg has these for $59.95. I don't do color-critical work, I'll be using this monitor for gaming and ordinary usage, so I've been wondering about whether I really even need a colorimeter. Seems like overall the best way to accurately calibrate the monitor though according to what I've read.
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The colorimeter itself is just fine. In fact it's the same one that comes with Spyder2Pro. The difference is the software. Spyder2Pro guides you through more adjustments by hand, which I generally prefer not to do with LCDs anyway. The problem I have with Spyder2 in general is that all their software is terrible. It's buggy and counterintuitive. Once you get it working, it does create a perfectly good profile. That being said, I spent an hour last night getting it to recognize its own hardware--which it was doing just fine a week ago. The next colorimeter I buy will not be a Spyder. You're correct that hardware-based calibration with some kind of puck is absolutely the best way to calibrate.

redlinez33 said:
greg when did u get your first one from buy.com
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Ordered about two weeks ago.
 
I ordered a planar from Dell.com at 833$ including 1 one business shipping. Is the price worth it to keep the planar instead of the DoubleSight?
 
madgun said:
I ordered a planar from Dell.com at 833$ including 1 one business shipping. Is the price worth it to keep the planar instead of the DoubleSight?
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From what I've read, I would say no madgun...

Greg Feldman said:
My only complaint is that it's way too bright at factory settings. Calibrating with a Spyder2Express gets the color perfect but leaves it blindingly bright when you let the Spyder profile do all the work, as you're supposed to do. I set the brightness to 50% (or 49.8%, or whatever the odd OSD math gives me) and then calibrated again. It's better this way.
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I leave my brightness at 0%... In my opinion, it's a little too dark at that level... It could afford to be a little brighter, maybe 10%. Although, the BLB would show more and that would suck.

I was watching a movie last night and the BLB is getting worse it seems. May be time for an exchange.
 
Hmmmm so would it be best to order straight from DS specifically requesting a unit with the polarizer? I notice DoubleSight's online store is currently down for maintenance.
 
Here's an update for anyone considering Amazon:

I put in my replacement order this morning, and it is shipping out today overnight. They are also paying for shipping the old panel back. All of this was handled through their website to boot. I'm pretty satisfied and would recommend Amazon strongly.
 
Is the AT-W Polarizer a part of the coating or something between the pixels and your eyes?

The reason I ask is I had clarity issues with the one I just RMA'd today. The picture (text most noticeably) didn't appear very clear, like it was sparkly and also the screen looked uneven in some places, like slight variations in brightness, etc. even though there didn't appear to be excessive black light bleed that I could see. When I shined a light on the screen I noticed some smudged spots that I cleaned, but I also noticed some circular lines etched into the screen, like someone took a CD ROM or something and traced around it's edge (about 5 of these and some partial circles too).

I'm hoping that this was just a bad monitor and the next one they send me will look better, but I wanted to get other people's oppinion on screen clarity.

For reference, the TN that I'm typing on now appears more clear and also I checked out a 24" iMac, which has a H-IPS like this DS-263N, at Best Buy that really looked clear (although it's hard to compare exactly since I'm running Vista at home and also I can't see them side-by-side).
 
I ordered from Buy.com on March 28th. It shipped from Lewisberry, PA (ordered from the Southern Tier area, NY) on March 31st and got here today (heh, 2 day shipping for free).

This is actually my first LCD for my main box. I wouldn't consider myself an expert, but I'm rather positive this has the A-TW polarizer. I only have a slight red/green tint at extreme angles, none of the white glow described/pictured. I have no dead pixels with ever-so-slight BLB in the right corners when viewed with an all-black background. Right side of the panel is noticeably warmer than the left, with the top-right-back being the warmest spot on the monitor. No buzzing was noticeable on any brightness settings.

If someone can decode the manufacture date out of the serial number, that would be appreciated. The OSD version is 1.00CGGK0 for what its worth.

Right now I have ToastyX's settings and color profile, with the brightness right now at 20% (may lower it, we'll see). The Lagom LCD tests look really good. Minor flicker on the 2b inversion test, more in 4b. No pixel walk at all.

Alright, enough of the "impartial review." :) I upgraded from the trusty 5-year-old 19" NEC FE991SB CRT, so 26" is obviously a vast improvement. The stand didn't worry me, since I'm so used to the CRT that only has tilt. This is actually higher as it is, so thats much appreciated. I haven't tried any of the other input options, so not sure how VGA looks. I don't have any HDMI/HDCP devices so not sure how that works. Quick checks with Unreal Tournament and Counter Strike (yes, the originals) revealed only that I suck. The monitor, on the other hand, didn't. :) I couldn't notice any lag, and ghosting was insignificant. Guild Wars was amazing looking at the full resolution as well.
The only problem I have with it so far (knock on wood) is that it isn't free! How depressing... :D
 
I am starting to notice the slight sparkling effect when looking at a lot of text. My old one definitely did not have this effect. I am still messing around with ClearType to see if that helps.

Oh and my Version in the OSD is 1.00CGGK0
 
jmr said:
Hmmmm so would it be best to order straight from DS specifically requesting a unit with the polarizer? I notice DoubleSight's online store is currently down for maintenance.
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I ordered from Amazon on Friday, and it was supposed to ship out yesterday on next day. Instead, it shipped out at 7 this evening from Cerritos, which is awful close to Irvine where Doublesight is headquartered. I see now that Amazon is out of stock themselves, so I probably just somehow got in my order before they stopped taking them and they had Doublesight drop ship it. If it arrives tomorrow I'll report in on whether it has the polarizer.
 
Is this sparkle the subtle kind of sparkle that appears fixed in-place on the monitor (when you scroll, there's a thin layer that looks like eye floaters). Because I see this on my VP191b, and it stopped bothering me after a week. Just curious if it's the same.
 
Has anyone that has exchanged directly through Doublesight received one without any BLB? One that looked like Toasty's first one, but with the polarizer instead?

I'm considering contacting Doublesight about my monitor, because the BLB seems to be getting worse. It's not washing out games that I've tried so far... I'll try a night-time Crysis map soon.

But if there is a solid black area with something else on the screen (ie a movie with letter box bars on the top and bottom), the top right solid black area is now washed out due to BLB... before it was only visible on solid black screens and not movies... I guess the contrast was good enough to overpower what little BLB there was... not anymore unfortunately.
 
TrentJ said:
I am starting to notice the slight sparkling effect when looking at a lot of text. My old one definitely did not have this effect. I am still messing around with ClearType to see if that helps.

Oh and my Version in the OSD is 1.00CGGK0
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sharpness -> 40
 
Yes I already have my sharpness turned down to 40. The sparkle is hard to explain...it seems to stay in the same place. I haven't had much time to really sit down and mess with it. Hopefully this weekend. I will have to check my BLB this weekend as well to see if it is getting worse. Right now the one that DoubleSight sent me seems to have very little.
 
nomu said:
I ordered from Amazon on Friday, and it was supposed to ship out yesterday on next day. Instead, it shipped out at 7 this evening from Cerritos, which is awful close to Irvine where Doublesight is headquartered. I see now that Amazon is out of stock themselves, so I probably just somehow got in my order before they stopped taking them and they had Doublesight drop ship it. If it arrives tomorrow I'll report in on whether it has the polarizer.
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Amazon is currently reporting in stock, although maybe they got a new shipment.

My replacement is set to arrive today in D.C., shipped from Kentucky. Will keep everyone posted.
 
My Amazon order shipped fro Kentucky as well, it's supposed to arrive today.
 
verylostindeed said:
Amazon is currently reporting in stock, although maybe they got a new shipment.

My replacement is set to arrive today in D.C., shipped from Kentucky. Will keep everyone posted.
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They were shipping from ANT Online on Monday and Tuesday.

Just received mine and set it up. It definitely has the polarizer; there's no white glow but there's the weird red shimmer in the bottom left and the much less noticeable green shimmer to the right.

There's a 2.5" strip of bleed just out of the top right corner, it seems to extend about half an inch down. It's not visible on anything but a black screen with all the lights off, otherwise it gets overpowered by reflections. I also couldn't see it playing sins of a solar empire with all the lights out. Strangely, it seems to go away if I touch it lightly with one knuckle. Now it seems to have gone away...hmm.

Checked very briefly for stuck pixels, I couldn't find any on the 3 or so test patterns I tried.
 
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