Samsung 275TPlus Discussion

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I have started seeing this monitor show up online. Not a whole lot of reviews/statistics yet. Thought I would start a thread on it, hoping to see some personal reviews.

Full specs found here: http://www.samsung.com/ca/consumer/...subtype=lcd&model_cd=LS27HUCCB/XAA&fullspec=F

If this thing doesn't suffer from the input lag times of the 245T I give some serious thought into buying despite cost. Average online price $900-$1000.
 
i want to buy that monitor and it is a an EXCELLENT MONITOR. but i need confirmation if its a 2008/2009 model and not a 2007/2008. by via website links.
 
Well uh, it's brand new this year if thats what you're asking. I'm not sure what you mean by 2007/2008 and 2008/2009.
 
NKDietrich said:
Well uh, it's brand new this year if thats what you're asking. I'm not sure what you mean by 2007/2008 and 2008/2009.
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they revise all LCD's every Q1 or Q2. so every spring they have new models. spring 2007 to spring 2008, and spring 2008 to spring 2009.
 
Doubt they'll be releasing another 27" this spring when they just released this one.
 
i agree. some stupid samsung reps told me it was a 2007/2008 model. what a bunch of crap. this model just came out a month ago or something.
 
Yep; the Plus models were announced at CES in Jan. We are still waiting for the 305TPlus. It should be interesting also.

Dave
 
anybody know if the 275tplus has 1:1 pixel mapping?. i have this monitor and i dont even know. i was thinking of hooking up a xbox360 to it.
 
w1ngzer0 said:
It's 5" short of being mine. :(
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But that's the ultimate question.....which is the best primary PC display, a 27 or a 1080 32:confused:
I have a 26{25.5} and I see no reason why a 27 wouldn't be better, ie, the extra size shouldn't hurt perceived sharpness, but would a 32 be too big for text and email etc?
 
I was using a 37" LG 37LB5D as a monitor for PC, PS3, and Xbox 360.

I have to say that other than the PS3, which displays most games at 720p, the screen was impressive. at 720P it's just too blocky so you have to sit back another few feet.

You just have to make sure you have the real estate and can sit back at least 3" or you will get neckstrain from looking all around the screen due to turning your head.

The Sharp 32" models like the LC32GP3U are well-known for being used as monitors, except they are a bit lacking in the sharpness dep't due to the"split pixel" technology they use.

I know that on the LG I had at 1920x1080, text was sharp, and the display was solid.

But now I'm on dual 24" monitors and I'd be hard pressed to say that a 27" wouldn't be as good or better than the TV. For only PC or light console purposes, I'd see the 275T Plus as an excellent choice. You can't "out monitor" the monitor IMHO. Just make sure to calibrate out the over-saturated colors.

10e
 
hi everyone, it's my first post here ;)

i'm looking to buy a new monitor soon.

I can get the 275TPlus for 935$ cdn.

How are the colors and the lag input with the 275Tplus ?

I spend a lot of time on my computer writing, editing photo and programming.

I spend some time gaming two.

So, is the 275Tplus right for me ? Or Should I grab dual 24-inch or one 30-inch ?

thanks a lot !
Ben
 
i've had the 275t+ for a few weeks now, and here are some notes on it:

the colors look great, and the contrast is amazing. i've been watching HD tv on it and love it. i sit about 3' away from the monitor since its so big.

i have the monitor at 75 contrast, 55 brightness. in the OSD, there is an option for PiP but i have not used it. you can also force the monitor to non-widescreen, but this is annoying to use compared to using (ati's) video drivers to keep aspect ratio in games. there is 'color innovation' which can be set to brilliant, mild, normal, demo, or custom. from what i see, it saturates the colors more..which is appealing to me. 'color tone' can be set to varying degrees of warm and cool. gamma correction can be set anywhere from -0.2 to +0.6. you can change RGB colors, saturation (RGBCMY), and hue (also RGBCYM). you can also lower the brightness of the power LED to comfortable levels.

the sides of the screen appear *slightly* brighter when i look at http://www.lagom.nl/lcd-test/viewing_angle.php full-screen, however it is not noticeable in regular use.

here are some tests comparing my 275t+ and my 906bw. i dont know if anyone has done input lag tests before on a 906bw..but it should have low lag.

i did some input lag tests with the camera on my phone (samsung sgh-d900; 3.0mp) ..unfortunately this is all i have and it looks like the shutter speed isn't that great. anyone care to analyze these? note: i did not use a dvi splitter.






i did some less scientific tests with http://www.humanbenchmark.com/tests/reactiontime/index.php , and on the 275t+ i get ~210 if i click fast, or something around 225-240 if not. on my 906bw i get around 190-205, and ~175 if i "click fast". my best was 165.

so i guess it has 2 frames of lag..


after reading about input lag at x-bit labs, i was swayed to believe that input lag was an overrated factor..especially since 2 frames is just 33ms..i really wanted to believe this, because i love the picture quality and black levels on my 275t+.

however, i just played counter-strike source for an hour or so, comparing both monitors. playing on the 906bw was quick and reactive. it felt like i was drunk when playing on the 275t+. it was definitely noticeable and quickly became annoying. both monitors appeared to have artifacts when things moved fast across the screen. the 275t+ seemed to have slightly more ghosting than the 906bw, although i wouldn't say it was bad.

i used to play in cal-m and cevo..so i am a somewhat competitive gamer. i am sad to say i will be sending this monitor back. 0 dead or stuck pixels. i placed an order for the ds-263n..hopefully i will like it
 
10e said:
I You just have to make sure you have the real estate and can sit back at least 3" or you will get neckstrain from looking all around the screen due to turning your head.

10e
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Yeah...I'm beginning to think that a 32 makes the most sense, it protects lower res stuff, and will also sit snugly with my existing desk set up.
 
I'm finding input lag tests to be BS too. I get different results based on drivers, video cards, etc... I'm sure they can give you an idea of it, but not 100% accuracy.

Sucks to hear that you are returning it for input lag. I was looking forward to seeing user experiences because I thought this might be THE monitor, but I guess it's not to be.

You should enjoy the DS-263N immensely. It looks like a fabulous screen and minimal input lag.

Good luck,

10e

erich said:
i've had the 275t+ for a few weeks now, and here are some notes on it:

the colors look great, and the contrast is amazing. i've been watching HD tv on it and love it. i sit about 3' away from the monitor since its so big.

i have the monitor at 75 contrast, 55 brightness. in the OSD, there is an option for PiP but i have not used it. you can also force the monitor to non-widescreen, but this is annoying to use compared to using (ati's) video drivers to keep aspect ratio in games. there is 'color innovation' which can be set to brilliant, mild, normal, demo, or custom. from what i see, it saturates the colors more..which is appealing to me. 'color tone' can be set to varying degrees of warm and cool. gamma correction can be set anywhere from -0.2 to +0.6. you can change RGB colors, saturation (RGBCMY), and hue (also RGBCYM). you can also lower the brightness of the power LED to comfortable levels.

the sides of the screen appear *slightly* brighter when i look at http://www.lagom.nl/lcd-test/viewing_angle.php full-screen, however it is not noticeable in regular use.

here are some tests comparing my 275t+ and my 906bw. i dont know if anyone has done input lag tests before on a 906bw..but it should have low lag.

i did some input lag tests with the camera on my phone (samsung sgh-d900; 3.0mp) ..unfortunately this is all i have and it looks like the shutter speed isn't that great. anyone care to analyze these? note: i did not use a dvi splitter.

i did some less scientific tests with http://www.humanbenchmark.com/tests/reactiontime/index.php , and on the 275t+ i get ~210 if i click fast, or something around 225-240 if not. on my 906bw i get around 190-205, and ~175 if i "click fast". my best was 165.

so i guess it has 2 frames of lag..


after reading about input lag at x-bit labs, i was swayed to believe that input lag was an overrated factor..especially since 2 frames is just 33ms..i really wanted to believe this, because i love the picture quality and black levels on my 275t+.

however, i just played counter-strike source for an hour or so, comparing both monitors. playing on the 906bw was quick and reactive. it felt like i was drunk when playing on the 275t+. it was definitely noticeable and quickly became annoying. both monitors appeared to have artifacts when things moved fast across the screen. the 275t+ seemed to have slightly more ghosting than the 906bw, although i wouldn't say it was bad.

i used to play in cal-m and cevo..so i am a somewhat competitive gamer. i am sad to say i will be sending this monitor back. 0 dead or stuck pixels. i placed an order for the ds-263n..hopefully i will like it
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Hello,

I am thinking about buying this as an external display for my laptop. My laptop, w/ the dock, puts the bottom edge of the lcd screen less than 3 inches above the surface of the desk, and I was wondering what the exact minimum height of the bottom edge of the 275T+ lcd screen (and not the bezel)? I want to know if it will line up with the bottom edge of my laptop lcd if i put them next to each other, without some kind of laptop stand.

THANKS
 
Ended up with a TV myself. I had been thinking of getting a 27 inch, but it appeared that their high brightness capability was at the expense of black level. (Wanted something I could set darker...)
 
erich said:
you can turn the brightness down..
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I know Samsungs do have real backlight controls, which is nice.

However, they don't go down as far as they should for monitor usage. (And ironically, some of the newer TV's do...)

If one is in a brightly lit room, this will of course be less of an issue...
 
*bump*
danman81 said:
Hello,

I am thinking about buying this as an external display for my laptop. My laptop, w/ the dock, puts the bottom edge of the lcd screen less than 3 inches above the surface of the desk, and I was wondering what the exact minimum height of the bottom edge of the 275T+ lcd screen (and not the bezel)? I want to know if it will line up with the bottom edge of my laptop lcd if i put them next to each other, without some kind of laptop stand.

THANKS
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danman81 said:
Hello,

I am thinking about buying this as an external display for my laptop. My laptop, w/ the dock, puts the bottom edge of the lcd screen less than 3 inches above the surface of the desk, and I was wondering what the exact minimum height of the bottom edge of the 275T+ lcd screen (and not the bezel)? I want to know if it will line up with the bottom edge of my laptop lcd if i put them next to each other, without some kind of laptop stand.

THANKS
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with the 275T+ at it's minimum height on the stand, it is 3 1/8 inches from the desk to the bottom of the bezel. it is 4 inches from the desk to the bottom of the panel.

you can raise the monitor on it's stand a fair amount.. my guess is ~3 inches but i didn't venture to try that because the first time i played with it, it was a pain to push it back in to its shortest height.
 
hey guys im also interested in the samsung 275T but then again also interested in the Dell 2707
which one would be the better pick ??
(dell is slightly cheaper and i believe we have dead pixel proof when u order at dell)
(samsung might have better specs)
 
McCartney said:
I'm pretty sure this is just a 275T with the HDMi
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Wrong! The display type is completely different from every other consumer grade flat panel on the market. SPVA is just Samsung's marketing slang for MVA - a display type that sacrifices response time so that it can show 24 bit color. All flat panels are TN = 18 bit color unless they specifically state a different display technology. They all state 16.7 million colors in their specifications, but it is a flat out lie. The NTSC color gamut in the description of the 275tplus isn't even a full 24 bit color gamut, but it's still going to have much better color than other consumer grade flat panels. The contrast ratio is remarkably high, and the response time and price remarkably low for this display type. It's the first consumer flat panel I've ever seen that makes a statement about color gamut coverage. If you want to take a look at prosumer flat panels check out NEC and Eizo. Most prosumer panels have response times far worse. This panel is what I've been waiting for. I don't think that it's possible to make LCD displays significantly better than this - I'm all for desktop DLP. It may have response time issues for gamers, but I'm not a gamer. There is an inexpensive technology that has accurate colors and superior response, it's called "Trinitron." Many of you are probably too young to have heard of it. Nobody makes it anymore.
 
So what you are saying is that the panel inside the 275T+ is a different version than the one inside the 275T?

I remember Trinitron. I'll be 40 in a few years. I should photograph my 34" CRT that weighs 280lbs sitting in my family room. I love it as an SD and HDTV. But then again my 37" S-IPS based panel upstairs gives it a run for it's money on SD, and at 1080p is just fabulous too :)

I thought MVA stood for multi-domain vertical alignment and PVA stood for "patterned" vertical alignment? I'm not sure about the real differences though. But I will agree, that with dark colours *VA is S-L-O-W in responding.

Have you tried either the 275T or 275T+ at all? Wondering what your estimations of it are. I'm still interested in this monitor, but the input lag sometimes shies me away.

But then again my BenQ FP241VW is reputed to have (average) over 30ms of input lag, and I like gaming on it. I'm not saying I'm good, I just like it :)

10e

dnewhous said:
Wrong! The display type is completely different from every other consumer grade flat panel on the market. SPVA is just Samsung's marketing slang for MVA - a display type that sacrifices response time so that it can show 24 bit color. All flat panels are TN = 18 bit color unless they specifically state a different display technology. They all state 16.7 million colors in their specifications, but it is a flat out lie. The NTSC color gamut in the description of the 275tplus isn't even a full 24 bit color gamut, but it's still going to have much better color than other consumer grade flat panels. The contrast ratio is remarkably high, and the response time and price remarkably low for this display type. It's the first consumer flat panel I've ever seen that makes a statement about color gamut coverage. If you want to take a look at prosumer flat panels check out NEC and Eizo. Most prosumer panels have response times far worse. This panel is what I've been waiting for. I don't think that it's possible to make LCD displays significantly better than this - I'm all for desktop DLP. It may have response time issues for gamers, but I'm not a gamer. There is an inexpensive technology that has accurate colors and superior response, it's called "Trinitron." Many of you are probably too young to have heard of it. Nobody makes it anymore.
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dnewhous said:
Wrong! The display type is completely different from every other consumer grade flat panel on the market. SPVA is just Samsung's marketing slang for MVA - a display type that sacrifices response time so that it can show 24 bit color. All flat panels are TN = 18 bit color unless they specifically state a different display technology. They all state 16.7 million colors in their specifications, but it is a flat out lie. The NTSC color gamut in the description of the 275tplus isn't even a full 24 bit color gamut, but it's still going to have much better color than other consumer grade flat panels. The contrast ratio is remarkably high, and the response time and price remarkably low for this display type. It's the first consumer flat panel I've ever seen that makes a statement about color gamut coverage. If you want to take a look at prosumer flat panels check out NEC and Eizo. Most prosumer panels have response times far worse. This panel is what I've been waiting for. I don't think that it's possible to make LCD displays significantly better than this - I'm all for desktop DLP. It may have response time issues for gamers, but I'm not a gamer. There is an inexpensive technology that has accurate colors and superior response, it's called "Trinitron." Many of you are probably too young to have heard of it. Nobody makes it anymore.
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does this monitor have a better picture quality than a 1080p LCD hdtv playing bluray?
 
dnewhous said:
Wrong! The display type is completely different from every other consumer grade flat panel on the market. SPVA is just Samsung's marketing slang for MVA - a display type that sacrifices response time so that it can show 24 bit color. All flat panels are TN = 18 bit color unless they specifically state a different display technology. They all state 16.7 million colors in their specifications, but it is a flat out lie. The NTSC color gamut in the description of the 275tplus isn't even a full 24 bit color gamut, but it's still going to have much better color than other consumer grade flat panels. The contrast ratio is remarkably high, and the response time and price remarkably low for this display type. It's the first consumer flat panel I've ever seen that makes a statement about color gamut coverage. If you want to take a look at prosumer flat panels check out NEC and Eizo. Most prosumer panels have response times far worse. This panel is what I've been waiting for. I don't think that it's possible to make LCD displays significantly better than this - I'm all for desktop DLP. It may have response time issues for gamers, but I'm not a gamer. There is an inexpensive technology that has accurate colors and superior response, it's called "Trinitron." Many of you are probably too young to have heard of it. Nobody makes it anymore.
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SPVA and MVA are two different things, see the sticky on all these. My observations on all these panels is that PMVA brings a very nice compromise between the problems associated with SPVA and SIPS while retaining the best blacks of the three. Whats more PMVA does not have the lag issues of an SPVA panel, seems nobody wants to make PMVA these days, the lg246wpbn was a great one 24 inch lcd. For computing and gaming on a pc PMVA is a much better choice overall as a PC monitor. Samsungs 214T ( also an SPVA panel) was notorious for input lag, it seems this new gen of SPVA's from samsung hasnt really addressed the problem yet, otherwise they dont look too bad.
 
dnewhous said:
Wrong! The display type is completely different from every other consumer grade flat panel on the market. SPVA is just Samsung's marketing slang for MVA - a display type that sacrifices response time so that it can show 24 bit color. All flat panels are TN = 18 bit color unless they specifically state a different display technology. They all state 16.7 million colors in their specifications, but it is a flat out lie. The NTSC color gamut in the description of the 275tplus isn't even a full 24 bit color gamut, but it's still going to have much better color than other consumer grade flat panels. The contrast ratio is remarkably high, and the response time and price remarkably low for this display type. It's the first consumer flat panel I've ever seen that makes a statement about color gamut coverage. If you want to take a look at prosumer flat panels check out NEC and Eizo. Most prosumer panels have response times far worse. This panel is what I've been waiting for. I don't think that it's possible to make LCD displays significantly better than this - I'm all for desktop DLP. It may have response time issues for gamers, but I'm not a gamer. There is an inexpensive technology that has accurate colors and superior response, it's called "Trinitron." Many of you are probably too young to have heard of it. Nobody makes it anymore.
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werd em up dawg!!!!!!!!!:eek::eek::eek::eek:
 
Have you tried either the 275T or 275T+ at all?
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If I had I wouldn't have googled for reviews.

Draziom said:
does this monitor have a better picture quality than a 1080p LCD hdtv playing bluray?
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What's the display technology on said LCD? If it's a TN display, certainly.

Suprisingly, the latest and greatest from Eizo supports DVI-HDCP. I wouldn't have thought a prosumer model would do such a thing. The price, however is staggering
~$5250.
 
Benlehot said:
hi everyone, it's my first post here ;)

i'm looking to buy a new monitor soon.

I can get the 275TPlus for 935$ cdn.

How are the colors and the lag input with the 275Tplus ?

I spend a lot of time on my computer writing, editing photo and programming.

I spend some time gaming two.

So, is the 275Tplus right for me ? Or Should I grab dual 24-inch or one 30-inch ?

thanks a lot !
Ben
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wow dumping almost 1k into a monitor..
 
The penetration of >24 bit color into the consumer market goes by the name "Deep Color" and you can buy a Mitsubishi DLP for $2k that is 4 times the size and with far better picture than the 275Tplus, and probably better picture than the Eizo too. It will be some time before Blu-rays are available with the improved color depth. Only players that support the second hardware profile will be able to use them.

It's taken this long for Samsung to deliver a consumer LCD with 24 bit color. The Eizo LCD has 36 bit color but at a staggering price tag for a mere 30"...there just has to be a better way.
 
i have this lcd, does anyone who owns this or anybody with good knowledge know if this monitor is also good for gaming?
 
I have the 275T (vanilla) and gaming is fantastic (Crysis looks amazing!).
 
Just got it yesterday. My first impressions:

It's very bright. If I compare it with my 2232BW unit which has brightness of 300cd/m^2, it's a lot brighter. I had to lower the brightness setting on the 275T+, because if I stare at the darker screen (22") for a while, and suddenly look at the other one (27"), my eyes get all teary. At night, I usually work with lights out, but this monitor (the 275T+) lights the whole room so bright, I can read the newspaper in the darkest corner of the room.

Very vibrant colors. Again, when compared to the 2232BW, color depth is much more defined, much more ... vivid.

Screen uniformity is almost flat. When displaying a blank image, the grayish color is distributed evenly - screen doesn't have brighter parts like the 2232BW. And the black level on the 27" is much more darker than on the 22".

It's big. I like the dot pitch, because it's easier on my eyes than the 22" screen.

Input signal is lagged. I put a window between the screens, and the started to shake (move) the window up and down - I noticed the picture on the left screen (27") was a bit delayed.

It has lots of settings. Not like the 2232BW, it has more options in the menu. It even has the 6-color adjustment, saturation, hue ...

I'm very satisfied with the 275T+, so far it hasn't let me down in any way. I would recommend it to graphics designers, people who want HD resolution screen with big pixels, gamers (if the input lag doesn't bother them).

Here are a couple of sh*tty photos from my phone camera, if you want to see the size difference between a 27" an a 22" screen.

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