Dell 2408WFP Now Available

Caine Thanatos said:
redlinez33, how is the black crushing (compared to the 245bw / and or a crt monitor)
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While black crush simply means that your black levels are compressed hiding shadow details in the black that can happen with any technology (usually correctable with calibration), this is not what most people are talking about when referring to black crush with PVA monitors.

Here they are referring to the Viewing Angle black crush (or washout depending on your perspective). This is pretty much unique to PVA/MVA panels. CRTs are immune, they have perfect viewing angles. TN panels tend to have issues in the vertical direction that does not manifest this way and IPS is the closest to CRT experience that LCD gets.

VA is unique in this detail playing peekaboo. Also it is not a question of sitting at weird angles or anything. VA shifts are visible even if you sit perfectly positioned and only move your head a tiny little bit. Peoples reaction to this phenomena varies from "don't even notice it" to "drives me up the wall, can't stand using it". I am in the latter category. (Hurry up with those OLEDs)

Here again is an example for the uninitiated:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=03gVDMG7AMg
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sC7EozTCGSQ
 
Mine is coming a day early (today! Today!). Will give some more detailed impressions as soon as I get a chance.
 
You shouldn't worry about uniformity (it's very good) or performance in dark image areas (it's bad - this is especially disappointing since the old 213T panel does not have this problem at all). Neither about input lag, it's huge.

Worry about the strange DLP-"rainbow effect"-like green/grey artifacts the overdrive circuit seems to generate with hard bright edges on a dark background - on a static image. This is what finalized my decision to send it back.
 
It's important to note that input lag is going to be more pronounced when scaling which explains the different results seen below. Anyone have a CRT that can run at the 2408's native res?


redlinez33 said:
The average is somewhere between 30 and 40 for the pics I took.

I was running native resolution when i took these pics.....
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master381 said:
So, got mine in:
input lag numbers:

50-60ms
1024x768 (crt is small)
input: dvi-d-1
vista x64
ati 8.2 catalyst
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I tested with my CRT at the same resolution, of course - other tests are nonsense. Just take a look at my resulting values. It's between 44 and 60 ms.
 
Looks like i'll have to wait till tomorrow to get mine. My stupid brother never answered the door to sign. I hate that.
 
enjay said:
You shouldn't worry about uniformity (it's very good) or performance in dark image areas (it's bad - this is especially disappointing since the old 213T panel does not have this problem at all). Neither about input lag, it's huge.

Worry about the strange DLP-"rainbow effect"-like green/grey artifacts the overdrive circuit seems to generate with hard bright edges on a dark background - on a static image. This is what finalized my decision to send it back.
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I haven't experienced any of this. I have no complaints with this monitor.
 
enjay said:
Well then you don't see it but it's there.
I have to say I don't understand how anyone can not see it, but then again many use DLP PJs without problems.
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The forum wouldn't let me post yesterday (?), so I couldn't respond. I see the rainbows too, but they're very faint unless I use something static, small, and white on a flat black background (much coloration seem to not cause the effect visibly). The green subframes appeared to show themselves in my response time photos too (look how green the 2408WFP is compared to my CRT). I hadn't quite put the two together yet, I really thought it was my imagination. Weird. I still have over two weeks to make up my mind on this whole rainbow issue, I'm going to spend some more time deciding if it really bothers me enough to result in a return or anything.
enjay said:
Worry about the strange DLP-"rainbow effect"-like green/grey artifacts the overdrive circuit seems to generate with hard bright edges on a dark background - on a static image. This is what finalized my decision to send it back.
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I may be showing some ignorance here, but I don't understand how the overdrive would have any noticeable effect on a static image. I have a feeling it may be something else, just no idea what.

Anyway, my replacement monitor is here (one business day shipping, nice). I'll have to give it another hard-glance, but no dead or stuck pixels that I can see on this one, yet... :)
 
enjay said:
Well then you don't see it but it's there.
I have to say I don't understand how anyone can not see it, but then again many use DLP PJs without problems.

There are green tinted subframes being displayed. Check this out, photos at 1/160, 1/500 and 1/4000s:

http://leitseite.net/misc/2408wfp_160.jpg
http://leitseite.net/misc/2408wfp_500.jpg
http://leitseite.net/misc/2408wfp_4000.jpg
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WTF is that? It shouldn't be shifting frame by frame on a solid background.

Never be a Guinea pig for a new dell is the lesson I get after reading about many monitors.
 
I definitely see the 'DLP rainbow effect' on this monitor. Fairly disappointed when I saw it. I thought that it was only prevelant on DLPs, and more rarely on plasmas. I don't know if moving my white mouse cursor on a black background and seeing green and red if my eyes move across the screen counts specifically as rainbows or ghosting, but there is definitely something going on that makes me hesitant about keeping this monitor

also, I happened to see this test pattern on the internet. If anyone reads the text at the top of the pattern with a 2408wfp, do they see crazy flashing of the green colored bars? and do people with other monitors see the green areas flashing like mad while reading?

http://www.networktechinc.com/pdf/test-pattern-1920x1200.pdf

edit: Looking at some examples of ghosting on youtube, id definitely have to say that what I am seeing is not ghosting. great, they fixed the ghosting problem, but now there is a rainbow problem, and I had never heard of rainbows on an LCD before! fixed one problem but they end up creating another...
 
steves615 said:
also, I happened to see this test pattern on the internet. If anyone reads the text at the top of the pattern with a 2408wfp, do they see crazy flashing of the green colored bars? and do people with other monitors see the green areas flashing like mad while reading?
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I see flashing green on both my 2408WFP and my Samsung 910T.

I am curious if anyone knows of a way to contact an engineer or another high level technical person at Dell about the rainbow effect? I'm still racking my mind trying to figure out a cause. This monitor doesn't feature any MPA like effect that I know of or am able to capture on camera, which would be my first guess.
 
Obviously I still don't have mine, but are people being to critical? How much of this will 90% of the population see or experience?

I'm already half sold on returning mine before I even get it because of whats been said here. The input lag bugs me, but i've been running LCD's with input lag i'm sure, and its never bothered me or maybe I'm just adjusted to it. Haven't use a CRT in years.
 
WesM63 said:
Obviously I still don't have mine, but are people being to critical? How much of this will 90% of the population see or experience?
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It's too expensive of a monitor not to be too critical :p. I can say that the input lag doesn't bother me. I can't say if many other people will see the rainbow effect and I'm still up in the air over whether or not it bothers me much. I'm trying to give it a fair chance still.
 
alco23 said:
Sounds just as bad (for gaming) as the 2407-HC was.

Thanks for all the tests and updates guys.

*Continues to look for and ideal gaming/leisure/work monitor*
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same here.
shame... I was hoping that 2408 was finally "it":
I'm staying with my Syncmaster 173p+
 
Guys, please give me an answer on this one.

I need to know if the 2408 image quality is noticible diffent(bad) when using VGA input than using DVI.

Can you tell me also, if you know, how 2407 HC is performing in this situation ?

Thanks.
 
I tested this yesterday. Quality is excellent at 1920x1200@60, pretty much indistinguishable from DVI.
 
WesM63 said:
Looks like i'll have to wait till tomorrow to get mine. My stupid brother never answered the door to sign. I hate that.
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Your brother is right, i have even removed my mailbox with door bell and left a sign on a door "NO MAILS AT ALL", so the stupid governement cant send me their letters.

I have also made the traps in my house so when police will break in they will be killed.

I'm not kidding.
 
Dude, can you stop your CRT trolling? We're not n00bs who need to be told what's trash and what's not.
 
Ok so i got mine the other day, Its nice.. I dont notice much difference from my old 2407 that I used to use, but after playing around with the 3 monitor setup (2x 1707fp's on thier sides w/the 2408 in the middle) I came to conclusion that I prefer my westinghouse 37inch over that. I might go with the 30inch Dell down the road as I want a big monitor instead now.
 
Taken from my post on the Dell forums:

"I guess my subject line pretty much sums it up. I'm a Canadian customer who was anxiously awaiting the launch of the Dell 2408W. I placed an order for the new 2408W a week ago, and was initially happy to see it had arrived today, before the weekend. To my dismay, the box said 2407WFP-HC! When I opened it up, took out and inspected the monitor, my fears were confirmed, I had indeed been sent a 2407.

Anyways, customer support was fairly quick (despite one disconnection) to address the issue, and I'm now awaiting the replacement which will probably arrive next Friday, or the week after.

How could something like this have happened, though? I received no warning, and was not asked if i wanted to downgrade (but still charged for a 2408), like certain reports I've read."

Deliberate? Accident? Make what you will of this. You can imagine I'm pretty disappointed.

Looks like I'll be posting my review (likely of further disappointments) in a full week's time, at best (I probably should have opted for a refund).

Honestly, though, as if all the posts here on HardForum aren't enough to make you think twice, maybe this will. Here's hoping I get sent the proper monitor the second time around.

Cheers!

Edit: Good to see "Hardgamer" won't be cluttering this thread with his nonsensical and irrelevant trolling any longer.
 
I got my 2408 in. Quick impressions: The color/brightness of the monitor out of the box is almost overwhelming but tamed after heavy menu surfing. Additionally, I used nVidia's color correction to push back the reds a bit.

As for input lag, I haven't felt much in World of Warcraft but believe it's perceptible (to me) in the brief HL2 session I played. Then again, I think this might have something to do with me pushing 1920x1200 with my 7900GTX with all of the options turned up. I'm going to test the monitor over the weekend to see if the input lag bothers me to the point that I want to return.


Hardgamer said:
Quality of any LCD monitor can't be excellent, it can only be bad or poor.

CRT monitor still owns.
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WTF is the purpose of posting that in this thread? We get it, you don't like LCDs - you have stated it multiple times in a thread that is meant for comments about a specific model. Sometimes I wonder who you are trying to convince: us or yourself.
 
suicidaltaco said:
Taken from my post on the Dell forums:

"I guess my subject line pretty much sums it up. I'm a Canadian customer who was anxiously awaiting the launch of the Dell 2408W. I placed an order for the new 2408W a week ago, and was initially happy to see it had arrived today, before the weekend. To my dismay, the box said 2407WFP-HC! When I opened it up, took out and inspected the monitor, my fears were confirmed, I had indeed been sent a 2407.

Anyways, customer support was fairly quick (despite one disconnection) to address the issue, and I'm now awaiting the replacement which will probably arrive next Friday, or the week after.

How could something like this have happened, though? I received no warning, and was not asked if i wanted to downgrade (but still charged for a 2408), like certain reports I've read."


Deliberate? Accident? Make what you will of this. You can imagine I'm pretty disappointed.

Looks like I'll be posting my review (likely of further disappointments) in a full week's time, at best (I probably should have opted for a refund).

Honestly, though, as if all the posts here on HardForum aren't enough to make you think twice, maybe this will. Here's hoping I get sent the proper monitor the second time around.

Cheers!
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You are very attent that you noticed that sending you 2407WFP-HC instead of 2408W is "downgrading" cause 2408 is higher than 2407

but

the quility of components inside of 2407WFP-HC are higher than the components of 2408W, 2407 still performs better than 2408.

Dell is making the fools of you, just look at their site selling XPS gaming systems, lol they sell the slower systems for higher price than the faster ones. I hope everyone in here can build their own system without problems so you can figure it out.
 
Has anyone here with a 2408WFP noticed the left third of their monitor being more warm than the right 2/3rds? The left third of my monitor seems to have a slight bit of a pink tint to the reds.. if I calibrate this out, the left 2/3rds get a blue hue. I am thinking I might have a faulty unit.

How does Dell handle RMAs, etc? Is it pretty easy?
 
Well, I just got my new 2408WFP. The first thing I noticed when turning it on:

First, it's a 2408Fpb.

Second, I have a stuck pixel which drives me nuts.

Third, it buzzes in sRGB mode, but adjusting the brightness to over 65 fixes that, it seems.

Fourth, I can't check the latency on this screen, but I can tell you this: it's pretty AWFUL. Bear in mind, I just switched from my LG 246WP which had VERY little latency, but I can feel it just using my OS X Leopard desktop. It's bad. This won't be a gaming monitor that's for sure. My mouse is just lagged around the screen. I have it hooked to up my MacBook Pro via DVI, and with both the Dell running and my laptop running, I can see the latency difference when I move my cursor from the 2408 to my MacBook, and it's BAD. Really bad. Ugh..

Overall: I'm not sure if I'll keep it. I'm irritated about my stuck pixel, and really disappointed in the latency.
 
Chum said:
I got my 2408 in. Quick impressions: The color/brightness of the monitor out of the box is almost overwhelming but tamed after heavy menu surfing. Additionally, I used nVidia's color correction to push back the reds a bit.

As for input lag, I haven't felt much in World of Warcraft but believe it's perceptible (to me) in the brief HL2 session I played. Then again, I think this might have something to do with me pushing 1920x1200 with my 7900GTX with all of the options turned up. I'm going to test the monitor over the weekend to see if the input lag bothers me to the point that I want to return.




WTF is the purpose of posting that in this thread? We get it, you don't like LCDs - you have stated it multiple times in a thread that is meant for comments about a specific model. Sometimes I wonder who you are trying to convince: us or yourself.
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The most visitors don't read this topic from the beginning to the end, they read only the last 2 pages and they might have missed my previous information how crappy LCDs are and that LCD just can't be better/fixed cause it's liquid. I dont want them to be disappointed if they buy that 24",27",30" LCD trash like i was.
 
Your "information", haha you gotta be fscking kidding, troll. "Because it's liquid", right.. oh I hadn't thought about that.
There are LCDs with very low lag and perfect colors (e.g. Sony broadcast studio monitors). You're just too poor to afford them.
 
Hardgamer said:
You are very attent that you noticed that sending you 2407WFP-HC instead of 2408W is "downgrading" cause 2408 is higher than 2407

but

the quility of components inside of 2407WFP-HC are higher than the components of 2408W, 2407 still performs better than 2408.

Dell is making the fools of you, just look at their site selling XPS gaming systems, lol they sell the slower systems for higher price than the faster ones. I hope everyone in here can build their own system without problems so you can figure it out.
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Anyone can build their own system if they choose. Dont know anyone here who can build their own LCD. Please show me pics of the monitor you built yourself. The only fool I see here is you. Please leave the thread. You've added nothing productive. You are the definition of a troll.
 
Gosh darnit I'm really torn.

The contenders:

LG 246WP vs Dell 2408WFP

The 2408WFP is a much, much sharper display than my LG. Text is very crisp on the Dell.
The LG has much less input lag than the Dell. MUCH less.
The Dell also turns on much faster than the LG. The LG is the slowest screen in the whole world to pick up a signal.
The Dell has a stuck pixel. The LG has none. I just can't decide what to do. I don't really game on my monitor at all, but.....grrr!!

Why is there no all-round good monitor?
 
I'm returning the 2408WFP. The mouse latency really is out of control. It's a shame since it's quite a nice screen... And I only had it about an hour!

Oh my goodness. Does this display have rainbows? I'm seeing colors in the text, like greens and reds....

On the phone to Dell right now. This is bad!
 
Just called Dell, and organized a return label. Painless experience, but I'm disappointed....

Back to my LG246WP.
 
Does Dell make you pay for the return shipping when you ask for a refund under the Total Satisfaction guarentee?
 
No they don't. They offered me a UPS Pick-up (as in, UPS comes to my door), or a prepaid label which I affix to the outside of the box. I chose that. They e-mailed me within 2 minutes the label. No charge.
 
Mine just arrived, won't get to play with it until later. I'll post back with my initial thoughts.
 
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