Dell 2408WFP Now Available

Damn..

Ordered very late on Sunday night (10:30pm-ish), did the free 3-5 business day delivery, and had an expected ship time of 5-7 days. Got my shipped notice an hour and a half later. Just checked the tracking info, and they are delivering it today?!? Not bad for "free slow shipping." :D
 
They're delivering mine today too. I ordered Friday morning and used the 5-7 day free shipping. Not bad at all, Dell :)
 
Does the 2408WFP support 1:1 pixel mapping over HDMI?

I want tot purchase it for PS3 gaming.

Thanks in advance.
 
Just got mine! woohoo! :) I'll be happy to take some pictures after my meetings this evening.

A few random initial impressions:
1) I have a dead pixel just off the center of the monitor. Its actually quite annoying, and might be two dead pixels (it seems to be "smeared" and might be a couple pixels tall).

2) At 100% brightness, I think I burned my retinas out. This thing is crazy bright!

3) The colors, etc.. look fantastic. It definitely needs some calibrating, but already looks much much better than my old crappy 20" viewsonic.

4) 24" is a real nice size. I was considering 30", but with my limited space, am glad I went with 24". Its a good compromise.

5) The stand is quite hefty, and is easy to twist, move, rotate the monitor on. It feels nice and sturdy.

More later! :)
 
Ordered mine last night. :p

Going to have to run it through an x800 till nvidias refresh card comes out in March when I overhaul my system. I just hope it doesn't lag a lot at its native res.
 
Okay, first the good news: DHL managed to get mine here a day early. Now, the bad news: I have a dead pixel in the top center (just the red is dead), which I'll have to see what I can do about. I turned the brightness all the way down, the Dell 2408WFP is very bright. I set it to sRGB mode and it seems to have acceptable adjustment based on what I can see by eye with aid images. I have it connected through DVI to my Geforce 8800 GTS 512 with the video card scaling turned off. Now, some pictures...

Here's the response time comparison to my CRT (over many photos it always came out to about ~60 ms):
dell_2408wfp_response_time.jpeg


Here's a black level comparison shot in a nearly dark room (both the CRT and the LCD have their brightness at 0, shutter time was 0.5 seconds with ISO 400, see the EXIF data for more information):
dell_2408wfp_black_levels.jpeg


Here's ETQW running in 1920x1200 on both my CRT and the Dell 2408WFP (you may notice that the right side is cropped off of the CRT, so it's effectively showing 1600x1200):
dell_2408wfp_etqw_versus.jpeg


You'll notice that the 2408WFP is much brighter than my CRT, so here's my CRT with its "Superbright 2 (movies)" mode turned on:
dell_2408wfp_etqw_versus_superbright.jpeg


Here's just a show-off shot of the 2408WFP in ETQW (click to enlarge):


Here's a slightly more colorful setting in Crysis. First the CRT in 1600x1200 (with superbright still on):

Here's the LCD in 1920x1200:


I think my CRT looks better in person with superbright turned off, but if I wanted to use the same camera settings for each monitor's shot (which I tried to do), I had to have it on. The 2408WFP is just that bright.
 
nav - how does the input lag feel to you? Seems like 60ms would make it very noticeable.
 
60ms! Holy hell thats some input lag.

LOL, 60ms that no normal human being would notice anyway, which is why we use high speed camera's! Lag is in the eye of the beholder. I have a 2707wfp and don't notice the difference in input lag coming from a 19" sony.
 
I can't stand dead pixels, so I really hope mine (this Thursday, apparently...) has none...
Thanks for the impressions, people!
 
LOL, 60ms that no normal human being would notice anyway, which is why we use high speed camera's! Lag is in the eye of the beholder. I have a 2707wfp and don't notice the difference in input lag coming from a 19" sony.

Uhh, that's a 1/16th of a second. If you can't notice that, you might want to get your eyes checked. Behind in time four frames, that is some of the highest input lag of any LCD. In addition to the 3008, Dell has surely dropped the ball on their new lineup.
 
Yep 60ms is useless for reflex gaming like DDR or games with bars like Hot Shots Golf etc...
 
LOL, 60ms that no normal human being would notice anyway, which is why we use high speed camera's! Lag is in the eye of the beholder. I have a 2707wfp and don't notice the difference in input lag coming from a 19" sony.

It's also a good indicator of your sensitivity in FPS games.
Anyone who's made the transition from CRT to PVA has noticed the difference. It's pretty significant. CS:S is the baseline FPS to notice these things. Any hint of delay is exaggerated on this game - and on most FPS games in general.

On the other hand, if your game of choice is Hello Kitty Island Adventure, I can't say that you will notice.
 
I tested my dell 2408WFP against the SAMSUNG 245BW in terms of input lag. In comparison it was between 25ms to 50ms slower than the samsung, averaging around the 30-40ms range.........

Of course how does the 245BW compare to a CRT is the question...

I noticed the input lag right away, but I am getting more use to it. Its only barely noticeable now...

Still, wish it didnt have this lag. Should of bought the planar i guess =\

picture quality is amazing though.
 
nav - how does the input lag feel to you? Seems like 60ms would make it very noticeable.
I only really played ETQW enough for a couple photos, not real play time. Crysis in 1920x1200 with everything on high was running a little bit choppy as it is (better than I would have guessed, but the later levels would likely be unplayable), so I can't yet say if the input lag is having any additional detrimental effect. I never noticed input lag on my other PVA LCD (~25ms), so I don't know how sensitive I really am to the lag.

I'll have to spend some more time playing around before I could confidently voice an opinion on the lag.

On a more positive note: I can't detect any overdrive ghosting, the black levels are excellent for an LCD, and I don't notice any real backlight bleeding in a lit room (the picture makes it look much worse). Also, for any who are interested, the 2408WFP seems to pull about 25-30W according to my UPS.
 
Here's the response time comparison to my CRT (over many photos it always came out to about ~60 ms):

Here's a black level comparison shot in a nearly dark room (both the CRT and the LCD have their brightness at 0, shutter time was 0.5 seconds with ISO 400, see the EXIF data for more information):
That response time is definitely big ouch. Did you try game -preset mode?
I would expect them to try to keep lag in minimum in that.


Black level at zero brightness isn't best possible method, with CRT black image is always black regardless brightness while with LCD it can limit quality of colours/white.
Better comparison would be opening some image with lot of colours/dark and bright areas and then using that image for adjusting overal picture brightness of 2408WFP (in dimly light room) with both brightness and contrast so that shades aren't destroyed in either end of scale and so that white is still white looking instead of something greyish. Black picture after that gives much more realistic useful black level.
Also this might help
http://www.lagom.nl/lcd-test/#contrast
 
Well, after placing my order by phone yesterday, they estimated a 5 day delivery. Now they say March 21st! Yesterday I would have freaked out about that, but after reading about the rediculously high lag, I may just ship it back to them in the sealed box whenever it arrives. I was really expecting better. Now what? The 2408 was the closest thing to meet all my needs, but i will not tolerate 60+ms lag, i'm way too sensitive. Meh.
 
Yeah...not much of a reason to watch the thread now. Nav - mucho thanks for doing the input lag test :D
 
Well, after placing my order by phone yesterday, they estimated a 5 day delivery. Now they say March 21st! Yesterday I would have freaked out about that, but after reading about the rediculously high lag, I may just ship it back to them in the sealed box whenever it arrives. I was really expecting better. Now what? The 2408 was the closest thing to meet all my needs, but i will not tolerate 60+ms lag, i'm way too sensitive. Meh.
Yeah, good thing I didn't cancel now near month old order for Lenovo L220x and put order in immediately when 2408 became officially available 10 days ago.
Couple more tests in game preset mode at native resolution would be good but looks like I'll continue waiting that Lenovo.

that is some of the highest input lag of any LCD. In addition to the 3008, Dell has surely dropped the ball on their new lineup.
This isn't dropping the ball...
It's dropping the bowling ball on toes! :mad:

Is it something in these wide gamut displays which rises lag or what when input lags have jumped upwards in so many recent monitors compared to predecessor models? :(
 
The 2408 was the closest thing to meet all my needs, but i will not tolerate 60+ms lag, i'm way too sensitive. Meh.

Same here. Been waiting for this monitor to come out for ages. I returned my 2407WFP-HC mainly because of the ghosting, but I noticed the input lag on it too. If the 2408WFP doubles that input lag, I'm officially out of options and will be forced to return to TN screens. Oh well.
 
Couple more tests in game preset mode at native resolution would be good but looks like I'll continue waiting that Lenovo.

...

Is it something in these wide gamut displays which rises lag or what when input lags have jumped upwards in so many recent monitors compared to predecessor models? :(

Hmm... would using sRGB color settings instead of default (?) wide gamut colors then make a difference? Someone should try that in addition to game preset mode & native resolution that you already mentioned.

Anyways, I am just hoping that Nav had somehow made a mistake and real imput lag would be around more toleratable 30 - 40ms. Some more tests are certainly needed.
 
Agreed, I would like to see more results in different preset modes. If this 2408 doesn't work out, I officially have no other options at present. I dunno, maybe dual Dell 22"
 
So does this make the BenQ FP241VW a/the top choice for a 24" LCD for gaming and movies with lots of input choices?
 
I certainly haven't noticed any lag when playing games with this monitor (got it yesterday). This is coming from a Dell 2001fp.
 
LCD was never intended for professional color editing , never for gaming. Even with 2 ms response time LCD has a motion blur, LCD by its nature cant be better and cant be improved does not matter what panel it uses.
More than that the current LCD displays show the black bars on both sides when viewing in 4:3 aspect ratio while 4:3 is more suitable for the normal eyes for reading texts and for gaming not for japanese eyes.

Mitsubishi's NEC CRT 21" AccuSync 120 http://www.necdisplay.com/products/index.cfm monitors are still in production,brand new!!! , deliver great overall quality, outstanding performance "edge to edge" technology, 150 hz refresh rate and are bigger than widescreen 24" LCDs.
You can hit CRT as long and many as you want you cant damage them cause it's made of glass, colors live on CRTs, no problems with cleaning the dust, stereo 3D glasses can only be used on CRTs and many more...

I was an idiot like you who had LCD monitor, now im back to trusted CRT :)
24" LCD should not cost more than 70$ it's trash.
 
It's also a good indicator of your sensitivity in FPS games.
Anyone who's made the transition from CRT to PVA has noticed the difference. It's pretty significant. CS:S is the baseline FPS to notice these things. Any hint of delay is exaggerated on this game - and on most FPS games in general.

On the other hand, if your game of choice is Hello Kitty Island Adventure, I can't say that you will notice.

LOL, didn't even know there is such a game as Hello Kitty Island Adventure. But you do! Anyway, I do play CS:S and am coming off the better CRT (sony) and I never said that you wouldn't notice the difference. I merely stated in a more simple way that when you're pumping out 130 frames per second on your LCD, nobody, and I do mean nobody would look at it and say, "DAMN, theres four frames per second lag there!" That's why we need high speed camera's to show the lag. You can't look at a stopclock displying on your screen and count how many frames of lag you're getting. You will however be able to tell a difference when playin on CRT vs. LCD. But thats the price you pay from moving from a CRT to LCD. My gaming takes a hit, but not a huge hit where I am no longer able to hold my own. That's all, no need to torch me for saying so.:)
 
As I said early in my posts I get around 35ms of lag average compared to 245BW which i believe has less than 10ms of input lag.

This is in the default desktop present mode.
 
Dell is going to send out another monitor (advance replacement is truly great, but it took an impressive 64 minutes, mostly on hold), hopefully without dead pixels this time. Despite the lag, I plan on keeping the monitor as I use this system for a lot more than just twitch gaming (everything from programming -- text really isn't my CRT's specialty, even with its convergence tweaked to near perfection -- to movies) and I'll still have my CRT around for anything that's response critical :).

I'll have to hook up my CRT again and give the game preset a test for you. The high gamut presets (everything non-sRGB, including game) are insanely saturated, which I'm unsure of using for everyday things; for games it might look pretty nice though. I'm also going to spend some time just playing some FPS for a "personal opinion" on the lag.

You can hit CRT as long and many as you want you cant damage them cause it's made of glass...
I saw someone take a framing nail gun to a (dead) CRT TV once. It bent the nail, but didn't hurt the glass. Pretty amazing really. (No comment about the rest of your post :p.)
 
Hi all. I finally received mine yesterday. Unfortunately, it's defective :(. While on for only three minutes, the screen started to flicker slightly & then it went black. The power button is on (green). I checked all connections. I even hooked it up to my other computer. Still no good. I'm awaiting my replacement. Hope I'm luck the second time around. Any ideas what could be going on? Thanks
 
I'll be waiting for a more comprehensive analysis of different monitor modes and the average input lag for each setting before deciding on this monitor.

This was going to be my savior - Dell warranty, decent colors, hopefully decent input lag and DVI/HDMI connections, but if it is really ~60ms input lag, I guess I shall be forever dreaming and waiting for that perfect monitor (shucks!).
 
Thanks to the previous poster who demonstrated the input lag vs. CRT.

I am greatly disappointed by input lag again as the problem which plagued Samsung's 244T and 245T over the past two years has not been resolved.

Perhaps by the time the Dell 2420WFP comes out, we will have input lag under 20ms?
 
Im growing tired of this crap! with monitors? Ive been putting of the new
purchase of a 24 inch LCD monitor for like 2 years now!! Like seriously
Can't any of these companys build a decent monitor at a affordable price.
This is just crap what dell has done with the 2408 ! like seriously .


Grrrrrrrrrr I need a new monitor.
 
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