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Dell 2408WFP Now Available
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Managed to get one for $591.92 before tax, and 5-7 day shipping was free. Used a 10% ebay coupon and also got an additional 6% off by setting up a new Dell Preferred account which I'll just pay off in full the first chance I get.
It should be here by Wednesday hopefully.
Hope it's not a lemon. I appreciated the candid comments by tedbird and others.
It should be here by Wednesday hopefully.
Hope it's not a lemon. I appreciated the candid comments by tedbird and others.
Well the monitor came in REAL fast. Just set it up and while it has only been on for about 30 minutes, I'll share my initial impressions.
When I FIRST turned on the monitor, there seemed to be some ghosting. I would drag an opened window over a gray background and I could see a slight trail of that window. It wasn't the same as the green colored ghosting OR the dark ghosting that some people reported online (I never had the dark ghosting issue, but I did have the green colored ghosting). However, after about 30 minutes of warm up time, this seems to be gone.
I played about 10 minutes of COD4 on my Xbox 360 via component. It could be just me, but the image seems a little more vivid. I am not sure if this is due to the increased contrast ratio or not, but it just seemed a tiny bit more contrasty/vivid (maybe because I didn't change the RGB values in the OSD to get rid of the green ghosting?).
Lastly, I am not experiencing any backlight bleed and have not found any dead pixels.
Hope this helps!
Edit: Could the "vividness" that I'm experiencing come from the increased color gamut? Now that I think about it, even the icons on my dock look much more... colorful. It could be a trick of the eye, but really, things look more vivid.
Edit: OK, I'm a photographer (at least as a hobbyist) and I was going through some of my already post-processed images, and these images are definitely much more vibrant than I remember. It's probably the monitor. The images are more vibrant, but not over-saturated. There is still good detail in colorful photos and the colors aren't too "hot" or "overexposed."
When I FIRST turned on the monitor, there seemed to be some ghosting. I would drag an opened window over a gray background and I could see a slight trail of that window. It wasn't the same as the green colored ghosting OR the dark ghosting that some people reported online (I never had the dark ghosting issue, but I did have the green colored ghosting). However, after about 30 minutes of warm up time, this seems to be gone.
I played about 10 minutes of COD4 on my Xbox 360 via component. It could be just me, but the image seems a little more vivid. I am not sure if this is due to the increased contrast ratio or not, but it just seemed a tiny bit more contrasty/vivid (maybe because I didn't change the RGB values in the OSD to get rid of the green ghosting?).
Lastly, I am not experiencing any backlight bleed and have not found any dead pixels.
Hope this helps!
Edit: Could the "vividness" that I'm experiencing come from the increased color gamut? Now that I think about it, even the icons on my dock look much more... colorful. It could be a trick of the eye, but really, things look more vivid.
Edit: OK, I'm a photographer (at least as a hobbyist) and I was going through some of my already post-processed images, and these images are definitely much more vibrant than I remember. It's probably the monitor. The images are more vibrant, but not over-saturated. There is still good detail in colorful photos and the colors aren't too "hot" or "overexposed."
Mav, what do you mean by input lag? I had a 2407WFP-HC previously, so maybe I can help.
As for the colors, the monitor is definitely doing SOMETHING. I was looking through some portraits/people shots and the skin tones are very red. Viewed on my laptop screen and printed, the skin tones came out normal, but on the 2408, things are very red.
Does anyone know if getting the monitor calibrated will help? Or is this a "feature" of the monitor that can't be adjusted?
Thanks.
As for the colors, the monitor is definitely doing SOMETHING. I was looking through some portraits/people shots and the skin tones are very red. Viewed on my laptop screen and printed, the skin tones came out normal, but on the 2408, things are very red.
Does anyone know if getting the monitor calibrated will help? Or is this a "feature" of the monitor that can't be adjusted?
Thanks.
Basically you need to have a CRT next to the 2408, and you simultaneously run a timer on both screens. The delay on the LCD will be measurable in 10's of ms. I believe the 2407 was 33ms while the 2407 was a horrendous 40ms+. Of course I know my 2405 is at 55ms+, so I know I'm gonna see some improvement regardless.
That's the difference between smaller and wider gamut.
Wider gamut monitor can show purer colours than what sRGB is made to represent so unless that's compensated saturation of pretty much every colour of sRGB photo is increased and especially green and red look oversaturated without colour space aware software.
http://www.hardforum.com/showpost.php?p=1032051990&postcount=103
http://www.extremetech.com/image_popup/0,1694,iid=197592,00.asp
http://www.digitalversus.com/duels.php?ty=6&ma1=88&mo1=92&p1=946&ma2=88&mo2=316&p2=3023&ph=7
Normally used CIE 1931 diagram doesn't even represent well difference perceived by eye so that's why especially difference in red is noticeable.
The advantage of the 1976 diagram is that the distance between points is now approximately proportional to the perceived color difference, something definitely not true in the 1931 diagram.
http://www.efg2.com/Lab/Graphics/Colors/Chromaticity.htm
This site should be useful for monitor tests and calibration:
http://tft.vanity.dk/
"Executable mode" is actually a very useful "Online monitor test" program. It opens in full screen, navigation tab is on the top centre of your monitor, just hover your cursor there and you can disable info tab (but read it for every test, it's very helpful).
I use this program to set brightness / contrast so I have detail in whites and blacks, and I also check full screen greyscale gradient, which can be really screwed in some colour modes.
Under "Trailing" you can test the ghosting, especially in "Interactive gradients". If I choose the image with vertical white bar and three horizontal bars and move it around (background gradient doesn't matter), all bars leave ugly trails on grey surroundings. On my Dell 2407WFP-HC, of course.
That page also holds the Input Lag program, useful for testing monitor lag:
The input lag test can be used to test for input lag if you have 2 monitors connected. You will need a camera to record the counter. The procedure is as follows:
- Set your two monitors in clone mode
- Run either the program or open the html document
- Start the timer
- Take a picture with your camera with both monitors i focus
- If the input response is different on the two monitors, the number on each screen will be different
So just hook a CRT (which has absolutely no input lag) and LCD you want to test to your graphic card, set them to clone mode, and take several pictures with high shutter speed (so the fraction of second numbers don't appear blurred), and you will have pretty accurate value of input lag on your LCD.
http://tft.vanity.dk/
"Executable mode" is actually a very useful "Online monitor test" program. It opens in full screen, navigation tab is on the top centre of your monitor, just hover your cursor there and you can disable info tab (but read it for every test, it's very helpful).
I use this program to set brightness / contrast so I have detail in whites and blacks, and I also check full screen greyscale gradient, which can be really screwed in some colour modes.
Under "Trailing" you can test the ghosting, especially in "Interactive gradients". If I choose the image with vertical white bar and three horizontal bars and move it around (background gradient doesn't matter), all bars leave ugly trails on grey surroundings. On my Dell 2407WFP-HC, of course.
That page also holds the Input Lag program, useful for testing monitor lag:
The input lag test can be used to test for input lag if you have 2 monitors connected. You will need a camera to record the counter. The procedure is as follows:
- Set your two monitors in clone mode
- Run either the program or open the html document
- Start the timer
- Take a picture with your camera with both monitors i focus
- If the input response is different on the two monitors, the number on each screen will be different
So just hook a CRT (which has absolutely no input lag) and LCD you want to test to your graphic card, set them to clone mode, and take several pictures with high shutter speed (so the fraction of second numbers don't appear blurred), and you will have pretty accurate value of input lag on your LCD.
Hrmm, alternative is a known fast 19" TN panel. E.g. Vx922.
Hey emigrant, the back of the panel says A00.
Sorry, don't have anything similar to what you listed. All I have is my Apple Powerbook 15" LCD and the Dell monitor.
The only thing that is really bothering me is the wider color gamut. While landscape photos do look quite punchier and more saturated with this monitor, portrait images tend to produce very red skin tones. I'm hoping that once the monitor is calibrated, things will be better!
I feel quite confident that the overdrive and ghosting issues are gone with the 2408 (this is at least for my uses and my own personal opinion. I mainly surf the web, edit photos, watch movies, and do some minor gaming on my PC or XBOX 360). I had the 2407WFP-HC for about 2 weeks before returning it to purchase the 2408. So far, I'm quite happy! They even updated the firmware so I can adjust the sharpness through my Apple computer (though it is in increments of 25, it's still a positive step
).
I feel quite confident that the overdrive and ghosting issues are gone with the 2408 (this is at least for my uses and my own personal opinion. I mainly surf the web, edit photos, watch movies, and do some minor gaming on my PC or XBOX 360). I had the 2407WFP-HC for about 2 weeks before returning it to purchase the 2408. So far, I'm quite happy! They even updated the firmware so I can adjust the sharpness through my Apple computer (though it is in increments of 25, it's still a positive step
).Has any of you owners of 2408WFP checked how good is black level compared to CRT in dimly light room?
(with brightness/contrast adjusted to that environment but so that dark/bright shades don't start disappearing)
You should use colour aware software for handling photos.
http://www.hardforum.com/showpost.php?p=1032051990&postcount=103
Effect of it depends also heavily from game type and at what level playing is, and if other players have also LCDs with similar lag then they don't have advantage in multiplayer game.
(with brightness/contrast adjusted to that environment but so that dark/bright shades don't start disappearing)
Back in wider gamut colour mode?
You should use colour aware software for handling photos.
http://www.hardforum.com/showpost.php?p=1032051990&postcount=103
Yep, lag of display is only one link in chain of lags where slowest part is sitting on chair in front of the monitor.
Effect of it depends also heavily from game type and at what level playing is, and if other players have also LCDs with similar lag then they don't have advantage in multiplayer game.
awaiting your results though I'm gona wait for hard figures.
I'm guesing 35-50ms average(min 33ms max 60ms)
Well my concern is mainly for FPS or rhythm games. E.g. good luck playing drums on Rock Band if you gotta deal with 50ms lag. This is one of the cases I use my 10 years old CRT TV that's next to me. Guaranteed 0 lag.
If it's 16-33ms (1-2 frames), I may be willing to compromise for convenience. Key is that I'd like it to be more like 2:1 chance it's 16ms (so average is <20ms)...but fat chance of that happening. I await the results though
If it's 16-33ms (1-2 frames), I may be willing to compromise for convenience. Key is that I'd like it to be more like 2:1 chance it's 16ms (so average is <20ms)...but fat chance of that happening. I await the results though
I do use color aware software for processing my photos. However, when viewing in an internet browser, the colors will not be reproduced as I edited them. Even when I view other photos, I don't want to save each file and then open them up in photoshop. That would be a hassle
I havent changed any of the settings other than the brightness setting down to 30.
I just placed my order for a new 2408wfp by phone to Dell Canada. It has been suggested in earlier posts that as of Feb 22nd. Dell's has a new 0 dead pixel guarentee, however my Dell rep said this is not the case and they would not replace unless it had 6+. I'm wondering who is right? Any thoughts?
mine is at 10 and it's still too bright for me
This is my major problem with most big screens. Too damn bright.
I had a Dell 2405 that even on zero would give me headaches. All the 24" PVA screens have been eyeball scorchers.
Moogle Stiltzkin
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I have the Dell 2405 fpw.
Yes it is bright. it is like a lamp in the dark :d but still it doesn't really bother me unless i had eye fatigue after long hours at the pc.
Yes it is bright. it is like a lamp in the dark :d but still it doesn't really bother me unless i had eye fatigue after long hours at the pc.
If no one has answered these by Wednesday evening (given no shipping annoyances), I should be able to do so versus my Diamond Pro CRT.
Thanks for the info to all those lucky new owners able to get their hands on one of these.
I, too, would like to ask for any rough comparisons of it's blackcrush.
Then it's better to set monitor to sRGB mode while surfing... Some web pages (and ads) have such horrible colours, no matter what monitor (maybe except monochromatic), that I wouldn't want them to be still more saturated.However, when viewing in an internet browser, the colors will not be reproduced as I edited them. Even when I view other photos, I don't want to save each file and then open them up in photoshop. That would be a hassle
blackcrush is typical for VA monitors
it means that you cant see any detail in dark scenes
so although VA monitors have "deeper, darker" blacks then IPS monitors, it doesnt matter shit cause you can see less detail in it...
Black crush in action (I think Dell 2407)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=03gVDMG7AMg
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sC7EozTCGSQ
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=03gVDMG7AMg
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sC7EozTCGSQ
I would like to know this too before I buy.....