why does my E2180 suck so much?

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AmongTheChosenX

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So i spent 2 hours today trying to get this thing past 3.3 ghz. it just won't do it. it maxes out at 3.35 ghz, even then it won't run stable in windows. the FSB wall is at a measly 395 mhz, so i can't do a 450 FSB or anything insane like that.

not only that, but to get 3.2 ghz, i used 1.425 Vcore.

to get 3.3, i needed 1.4875 Vcore, and somehow all the sudden it decided to not work and now it needs 1.5 Vcore...

WHY?!


I looked on the E2160 overclocking thread at Xtreme Systems and they have people getting FSB walls of 440, and getting their E2160's all the way up to 3.5-3.6 on decent air cooling! :(:(:(
 
Mine stops at 3.2 also. Whatever, 1.2ghz OC is good for a cheap proc.
 
People are just gonna tell you that no overclock is guaranteed. Also they'll probably need a lot more details to find out if you actually were doing anything wrong. All you setting/voltages etc etc. Good luck.
 
You paid $70-80 for a CPU and then complain when it won't do more than a 60% OC?

Man, you are just expecting way too much out of that chip. 3.0Ghz, 3.2Ghz is typical topping out territory for the E2xxx chips. 1.425vcore before vdroop isn't bad for 3.2Ghz on the C2Ds unless you're talking really recent stepping chips. My E6420 needed 1.40vcore before vdroop to keep Orthos stable at 3.2Ghz, and you better believe I paid more than $70 for it.
 
As others have stated, you paid for a budget cpu (which is actually a nice processor for the price at stock) then have the audacity to complain that you dont get the overclock you want? (which is incredibly high).

:rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:

I think the question is 'why do You suck so much?'
 
Yup, you should be quite happy with the speeds your getting from that chip. I bought my E6400 1 year ago for $225. It has the L2 steppings and it will not do 3.2GHz stable even @ 1.5v.

You have an amazing chip for only $70 if it does 3.2GHz stable. No reason to complain at all.
 
I agree with the above. I have a E4500 in one of my rigs and it won't do 3.2 at under 1.537 V (w/P5K-E vdrop thats 1.42v). I would be very happy if I were you.
 
I also agree, I cant get my e6400 over 3ghz without a ton of voltage. Be grateful
 
1GHz+ overclocks aren't bad. :p

My E2200 can "only" do 3.3GHz, and it's 200MHz faster at stock than your E2180. I don't bother with more than 0.05v-0.10v bumps on any of my CPUs. I'm perfectly happy with the E2200 since it was only $50 (bundled with a $28 945GC motherboard).
 
eh you guys are right.

it just pisses me off when these guys with L2 steppings on Xtreme systems are getting 3.5, 3.6, some of them 3.7 on air! and using mad low voltages too! Legion hardware was able to get 3.46 with 1.4 Vcore on their E2160.

and heres me with my M0 chip, stuck at 3.3, using insane amounts of Vcore. lol
 
Yeah, well in general M0 > L2. Friggin' 2.8 (the big 3.0 is the goal here, right?) is my max. I think you should be thankful that suckers like me soaked up the last L2's.
 
AmongTheChosenX said:
eh you guys are right.

it just pisses me off when these guys with L2 steppings on Xtreme systems are getting 3.5, 3.6, some of them 3.7 on air! and using mad low voltages too! Legion hardware was able to get 3.46 with 1.4 Vcore on their E2160.

and heres me with my M0 chip, stuck at 3.3, using insane amounts of Vcore. lol
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I built my sister a 2160 chip machine for Xmas and was barely good for 3GHz.
She got it running 2.8GHz cos they need to hoover up more :)
 
Rig is in sig and mine is at 1.35v runs fine for me.....
it folds, and then it folds, and then it folds some more :D

 
Man have the C2D's spoiled us all. Think back the old days when it took ass loads of effort just to get 30% out of a top chip. And the AMD people who go yippy yay for a 20%.

E2160 @ 333FSB <-Summer here in New Zealand
 
CpuMan said:
Yup, you should be quite happy with the speeds your getting from that chip. I bought my E6400 1 year ago for $225. It has the L2 steppings and it will not do 3.2GHz stable even @ 1.5v.
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I bought the same exact E6400, same stepping, same time you did, same price. 1.3750 keeps orthos happy for 4+ hrs at 3.2GHz.

See how OCing is? Kinda sucks you can get it to 400MHz bus, but 3.2GHz out of a budget proc should still be impressive.

I could OC my E6400 more if I had better cooling. I tried 425 bus with my E6400 and it needed way up to 1.4850 voltage to run a couple minutes in orthos, problem was temps shot up to 64oC under load, vs when it's at 1.3750 it peaks at 57oC.
 
Guess what, my E6600 won't go any higher than 3.2ghz, except if I bump up the voltage..
 
colinstu said:
I bought the same exact E6400, same stepping, same time you did, same price. 1.3750 keeps orthos happy for 4+ hrs at 3.2GHz.

See how OCing is? Kinda sucks you can get it to 400MHz bus, but 3.2GHz out of a budget proc should still be impressive.

I could OC my E6400 more if I had better cooling. I tried 425 bus with my E6400 and it needed way up to 1.4850 voltage to run a couple minutes in orthos, problem was temps shot up to 64oC under load, vs when it's at 1.3750 it peaks at 57oC.
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Looks like your cpu is a bit better then mine. I experimented when I first built the system. I know I am not fsb limited because I have dropped the multiplier in the bios to 6 and raised the fsb to 425/850 = 1700 fsb perfectly stable. So my system is most defiantly cpu limited. My e6400 tops out at around 3.1GHz orthos stable. Any higher then that and I start getting errors no matter how high I go with the voltage.

I am happy where I am. It runs great at 2.8GHz and has been rock stable for a year now. Most trouble free system I have ever owned.
 
I must be hella lucky then I got my e6300 to 4 Ghz on water, 3.325 on air, I wouldn't complain so much about your 2180 getting over 3 ghz, lol
 
jimbean21 said:
I must be hella lucky then I got my e6300 to 4 Ghz on water, 3.325 on air, I wouldn't complain so much about your 2180 getting over 3 ghz, lol
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Right, because I bet you have an older B2 stepping chip. B2 and L2 are 2 different animals. B2's overclocked much better on average the the later e6300's and e6400's with L2 steppings.
 
colinstu said:
I bought the same exact E6400, same stepping, same time you did, same price. 1.3750 keeps orthos happy for 4+ hrs at 3.2GHz.

See how OCing is? Kinda sucks you can get it to 400MHz bus, but 3.2GHz out of a budget proc should still be impressive.

I could OC my E6400 more if I had better cooling. I tried 425 bus with my E6400 and it needed way up to 1.4850 voltage to run a couple minutes in orthos, problem was temps shot up to 64oC under load, vs when it's at 1.3750 it peaks at 57oC.
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I managed to get 3.4 out of my E6400 I got a bit over a year ago but I have to dump 1.4850v into it (before vdroop) to get it stable there. I could do 3.2 on the stock cooler with a bit lower voltages during the winter. Luckily I picked up a new waterblock before summer hit as I would have had to drop the overclock and voltage to keep it running on the stock cooler when it warmed up. With water I usually stay under 60C even when it's close to 80F for ambient. Ambient is close to 70F right now and with an Ultima 90 I'm actually staying right at 50C. That heatsink with 120mm fan is actually cooler than my previous EXOS.

I currently have the EXOS on the Q6600 I just got and I'm running 3.6 with a rather high (before massive vdroop) voltage although I don't remember what it is off hand. However, this is 100% stable even if the temps are rather high. Gonna have to get better cooling for it soon or I won't be able to hold this overclock. I think the CPU actually has a bit more in it if I can get it cooled better.

You've got a decent overclock there. I remember when I got my T-Bird 1.33 to 1.57 on air. That's a much smaller overclock but I was more than happy with it. Then again, 1.57 was in the upper range for T-Birds on air.

 
Eh, overclocking comes down to luck of the draw in the end. You really shouldn't be complaining, 3.3GHz ain't bad, I've seen some E21x0 top out at around 2.9GHz. ;)
 
yeah, all about the luck, i have the e2160 and crap out at 3.2ghz with quite high voltage (1.5+), tried to push to 3.4 with 1.59 or 1.6 (with vdroop) but i can only gain like 1 sec out of the super pi so i back down to 3.0ghz atm, summer in Perth is sure hot lzol, 38c average. damn hot!!!
 
jimbean21 said:
I must be hella lucky then I got my e6300 to 4 Ghz on water, 3.325 on air, I wouldn't complain so much about your 2180 getting over 3 ghz, lol
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Your P5K motherboard hits 570+ mhz FSB? You're damn lucky there.

The only thing that was holding my E6300 back was the 525mhz cap on my p5b-deluxe.
 
AmongTheChosenX said:
AFAIK all Asus P5K series motherboards don't have FSB limits.
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He's not talking about a limit in BIOS, but a limit of the hardware -- have to keep it cool, and the quality of PWM and many other factors limit FSB. If you don't have more cooling on the PWMs already, you should seriously consider adding some.

Read some reviews if you don't believe me -- 570Mhz FSB is /insane/ high.
 
570 is amazing. my E2180 craps out at a 395 FSB. i guess the 195 mhz increase oif the bus is nice for a $90 chip.
 
The gf's 2180 is parked at 3.2 Orthos stable @ 1.4 vcore on an XBX2. Load temps are kinda are high for that vcore/speed. My take is there is some limitation with the non-soldered die/IHS interface creating thermal instability, I've been considering removing the IHS on that CPU...but not much point in it other than to experiment...the gf is plenty happy with it. $90 delivered for 3.2G of C2D aint bad in my book.
 
AmongTheChosenX said:
you notice i said my e2180 craps out at 395.

an E2180 is NOT a motherboard. duh.
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The E2180 has a default multi of x10, this can be reduced to get a higher FSB.
How is it that you only managed 395MHz?

I quote you:
AFAIK all Asus P5K series motherboards don't have FSB limits.
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you made a point of saying it, I'm interested to know why.
 
most E2x00 series are known to have lower OC ceilings than E6x00 series. It is a common phenomenon that when you start reaching the "ceiling" for a particular chip, it takes incrementally more Vcore to get very small increases in CPU speed to the point of not being even worth further bumping to get another 100Mhz. I have built a ton of E2x00 series systems and 3.0-3.2 is the typical ceiling for max OC for near stock Vcore. I typically am happy to stop near 3.0 and keep Vcore close to stock rather than go for minimal speed increases and forcing Vcore close to 1.5.

AmongTheChosenX said:
So i spent 2 hours today trying to get this thing past 3.3 ghz. it just won't do it. it maxes out at 3.35 ghz, even then it won't run stable in windows. the FSB wall is at a measly 395 mhz, so i can't do a 450 FSB or anything insane like that.

not only that, but to get 3.2 ghz, i used 1.425 Vcore.

to get 3.3, i needed 1.4875 Vcore, and somehow all the sudden it decided to not work and now it needs 1.5 Vcore...

WHY?!


I looked on the E2160 overclocking thread at Xtreme Systems and they have people getting FSB walls of 440, and getting their E2160's all the way up to 3.5-3.6 on decent air cooling! :(:(:(
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Nenu said:
The E2180 has a default multi of x10, this can be reduced to get a higher FSB.
How is it that you only managed 395MHz?

I quote you:

you made a point of saying it, I'm interested to know why.
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its not the motherboard that gets stuck, the processor is unable to work at a FSB of more tahn 395. it will boot stable at 399, but on't run prime for more than 2 mins, and at 400 it sometimes won't boot.

and I saw that because most people get awesomly high FSB's on all the p5K series Motherboards.
 
AmongTheChosenX said:
its not the motherboard that gets stuck, the processor is unable to work at a FSB of more tahn 395. it will boot stable at 399, but on't run prime for more than 2 mins, and at 400 it sometimes won't boot.

and I saw that because most people get awesomly high FSB's on all the p5K series Motherboards.
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So how do you know that the all the P5K series FSB is unlimited?
If its not by your own experience, you must have read it somewhere.
Can we have the source please?
 
Everybody stay calm, yeah? No, ASUS boards aren't magic. Everyone knew that already. Other than that, I fail to see the issue here.
 
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