Naked Vista MS Says is not Recommended

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Vlite is a program that can strip away all that stuff in Vista that you don't need. Microsoft says that they do not recommend it at all. Seems to be all the more reason to use it eh?
 
They do have a point though. If you don't know what you're doing, and just start ripping things out willy nilly, you can totally fuck up an OS install before it's even begun.

Still, I think there should be some sort of package management (pre-install!) like any Linux distro that I've ever tried, so those that DO know what they're doing can save some disk space...Not that 10-15GB mean jack in the days of $100 for 500GB drives.
 
Microsoft does have a project under way, as part of its Windows 7 development process, to create a slimmed-down Windows kernel.
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Now that's what piques my interest.

I'm still very much considering skipping Vista until the next Windows release, but Vlite looks pretty slick...
 
I been using Nlite for my XP installs for a long time now. I will never go back to a default install. I still work on making it smaller and faster with all the tweaks available. Its down to like 120mb and only like 12 processes after installation. Everything responds even faster.
 
nLite is a great way to trim the crap from XP. i have just started using vLite for Vista installs. i tried a beta, but had some troubles. the 1.1 Final works well for me so far. i am waiting on SP1 to see how well a slipstream works. it is nice to have the drivers I want installed with an OS...

i have yet to install Vista on one of my systems i use daily. i do install for clients and test purposes thus far. it is a great way to make installs tailor made for a system and clients needs.
 
I like the "no-input" install option in vLite, you just slide the disc in and leave. You come back to a desktop ready to use. Really neat stuff.
 
Why would you want to remove all the great features Vista has to offer? That's like buying a racecar to only drive at 30 KM/h in the city.
 
I really wanted to try vLite simply because I'm certain I don't need all this crap running... The only hitch I can see is that it doesn't allow me to integrate my AHCI drivers, just yet.

However, I do now have an image of my Vista install. So if things don't go "as well as planned", it will only take me about 30 minutes to recover. :)
 
xxGriff said:
nLite is a great way to trim the crap from XP. i have just started using vLite for Vista installs. i tried a beta, but had some troubles. the 1.1 Final works well for me so far. i am waiting on SP1 to see how well a slipstream works. it is nice to have the drivers I want installed with an OS...

i have yet to install Vista on one of my systems i use daily. i do install for clients and test purposes thus far. it is a great way to make installs tailor made for a system and clients needs.
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I remember when I found out about nLite for the first time. Totally awesome software.

L33t Masta said:
Why would you want to remove all the great features Vista has to offer? That's like buying a racecar to only drive at 30 KM/h in the city.
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because sometimes you want to drive 60KM/h in the city in a car that's half the size and weight of the race car. (If it's never going to rain, do you really need windshield wipers??)
 
L33t Masta said:
Why would you want to remove all the great features Vista has to offer? That's like buying a racecar to only drive at 30 KM/h in the city.
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Think of the other applications this software allows you to do. Imagine slimming down Vista to be able to fit it on an UMPC ;)
 
I've used nLite for a while now and the unattended install and driver integration is awesome, even if you are not sure what to strip out...good to hear from you guys that vLite seems ready to go as well.

Anyone who has not tried nLlte really should give it a look...easy to use and some good documentation out there for noobs
 
4GB and x64 also fixes this.

But yeah, so what if they screw up their OS...that's how we learn! :p
 
L33t Masta said:
Why would you want to remove all the great features Vista has to offer? That's like buying a racecar to only drive at 30 KM/h in the city.
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What planet do you live on?

The majority of "great features" bundled with Vista are absolute and complete total crap. I have vista on a laptop. I spent my first hour of ownership deleting/removing some of the useless and ignorant applications (you call them great features) from the install.

Why do you think software like nlite and vlite are so popular. IT REMOVES THE GARBAGE!
 
vLite is a terrible piece of software, so I can see why they advise against it. nLite was a great way to integrate drivers and cool stuff into XP, but vLite hasn't produced a working install for me yet. Every time I use it, all it does is rip out stuff that causes all sorts of errors to happen because the OS is screaming for files that it needs. Vista simply isn't made to be customized like XP was.
 
InorganicMatter said:
Vista simply isn't made to be customized like XP was.
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Windows Server 2008 is really modular, so much that you can even leave out the GUI. WS2008 is based on Vista SP1. It's surprising how basic the default install is.

IMO one of the main reasons Vista isn't as modular is marketing. It's important for the desktop platform to have all the components MS needs to push, and of course also for software compatibility reasons.
 
L33t Masta said:
Why would you want to remove all the great features Vista has to offer? That's like buying a racecar to only drive at 30 KM/h in the city.
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Like the 1.2gigs or whatever of printer drivers. It's probably a lot more than that. I really need all those printer drivers for my one printer.

pxc said:
Windows Server 2008 is really modular, so much that you can even leave out the GUI. WS2008 is based on Vista SP1. It's surprising how basic the default install is.

IMO one of the main reasons Vista isn't as modular is marketing. It's important for the desktop platform to have all the components MS needs to push, and of course also for software compatibility reasons.
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Yeah that's really what it comes down to. I'm sure there's someone out there who appreciates Media Center over simple Media Player Classic for example, but it isn't me.

I do understand the need for things such as the Replication service and Remote Differential Compression, but who installs Table PC Components by default? I mean really. What % of all computers are Tablet PCs?
 
i'm sure that Vista will be as customizable as XP was... i remember having similar problems with certain versions of nLite back in the day...

let vLite mature a little and I'm sure it will produce more stable images as well...
 
yes nlite is friggin amazing, but vlite is getting there. even on the earlier builds it was pretty decent. I'm assuming for the guy who never got a working version he just randomly started pulling out stuff which of course would mess things up (just like in nlite) since its so early it was always best to follow the people on the msfn forums(fantastic place). If i remember right I think one of the biggest pieces of vista was the part for those with bad eyesite or things of that nature which is well over 1 gig on the dvd
 
I don't know how simply I can put this.

vlite might allow me (one day) to run Vista without garbage applications. As a gamer, my OS needs to as free as possible from useless and annoying applications that interfere with my gaming experience. I don't need or want Aero, 64 bit, 4 gigs of RAM or any of the completely useless applications that come with Vista. I'm sticking with XP because it's just a better gaming OS. I'll gladly move to Vista when I need to or when I'm sure I can remove the trash ops from the OS.

VISTA is the AOL of OS.
 
ICOM said:
As a gamer, my OS needs to as free as possible from useless and annoying applications that interfere with my gaming experience. I don't need or want Aero, 64 bit, 4 gigs of RAM or any of the completely useless applications that come with Vista.
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You can turn Aero off just as quick as it takes to turn off a screensaver :rolleyes:

As far as not wanting 64bit or 4 gigs of RAM, what does that have to do with anything ? Oye.




I'd say the one thing I wish I could adjust is all the small options I adjust after installing it. UAC off, classic themes/control panel/taskbar/start menu, and folder view options.

That aside, there's nothing running on my 64bit Vista that I had to literally remove after install, to save "performence".
 
ICOM said:
I don't know how simply I can put this.

vlite might allow me (one day) to run Vista without garbage applications. As a gamer, my OS needs to as free as possible from useless and annoying applications that interfere with my gaming experience. I don't need or want Aero, 64 bit, 4 gigs of RAM or any of the completely useless applications that come with Vista. I'm sticking with XP because it's just a better gaming OS. I'll gladly move to Vista when I need to or when I'm sure I can remove the trash ops from the OS.

VISTA is the AOL of OS.
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Games are starting to come with 3 gig of ram recommended to play. You are going to be sad when you need 4gig+ and on top of that need a new OS that probably will be 64bit onry.
 
been using nlite forever, and downloaded vlite before even trying vista for the first time.

it's a great idea :)
 
Even if 15GB doesn't mean much by today's standards can anybody give me a good reason why Vista is 10x larger of an install than XP is?

The only thing I can think of is that theres a lot of additional graphics that might be chewing up space, but even that I wouldn't think would take up that extra 10+GB.

Sure theres MMC and a lot of things that have been reworked, but how did it break 5GB on install much less 10-15GB when everything else isn't even really much past 3GB (if at all past).
 
ICOM said:
vlite might allow me (one day) to run Vista without garbage applications. As a gamer, my OS needs to as free as possible from useless and annoying applications that interfere with my gaming experience. I don't need or want Aero, 64 bit, 4 gigs of RAM or any of the completely useless applications that come with Vista. I'm sticking with XP because it's just a better gaming OS. I'll gladly move to Vista when I need to or when I'm sure I can remove the trash ops from the OS.
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WAIT...you're a gamer, but you don't need 64-bit or 4GB+ of RAM? :confused: That's darn near the most confusing statement ever. Do you want faster, better stuff, or not?
 
Runningflame570 said:
Even if 15GB doesn't mean much by today's standards can anybody give me a good reason why Vista is 10x larger of an install than XP is?
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The default install of Vista Ultimate 64-bit is ~8.5GB, excluding swap and hibernation files. Patching the system with Windows Update leaves copies of the installers in \Windows, and also increases the WinSxS folder size. I see about 12GB for a fully patched Vista Ultimate x64 system with Vista Ultimate extras installed.

The Vista installer also copies many files from the installation media onto the hard drive so you don't need to insert the DVD in many cases.

Hard drive space costs under $0.20/GB now. I don't really see what the big deal is.

I think the ideal OS for some people is one that uses as little hard drive space as possible (keep that DVD handy... or do large downloads often!) and one that never touches the large amount of memory installed, even to speed up the computer. :p
 
L33t Masta said:
Why would you want to remove all the great features Vista has to offer? That's like buying a racecar to only drive at 30 KM/h in the city.
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I think you are confused. A full install of Vista is like driving a garbage truck in the city's narrow streets. vLite (and nLite) make the OS like a sports car on the open road. Slimmed down, sleek, and much better handling. Also, much faster.
 
just ignore L33t Masta He is either the most ignorant windows user there is, or the biggest troll. Either way just look at his thread history
 
There are only so many things that NEED to be running when you start up the system, anything beyond that is utter waste.

Glad to see there is an vLite up and running makes things easier to do.

Truthfully, who NEEDS MSChat up and running as soon as your system starts, If I want to run it I can just click on an icon

There are so many of these just waiting for you and taking up resources that it is hard to believe the system is still tunning
 
i see alot of general comments about running bloat ...what bloat specifically?
so then i see later on..oh its MSchat. lol :) no mschat here or anything else fluffy.

Vista business baby :)

And aw, a few extra printer drivers. Sure, you maybe have 1 printer now..but next month you will have another to save on ink costs :) Guess what? it will be ready to go right outta the box (and only then will the diff driver be installed).

Don't like a service or process? -- turn it off --well except for the drm one. One concession there.

I guess i like vista more because i went from win2kpro to Vista ..as xp was just too much the same as win2kpro. The same applies to vista/xp i guess.

Like XP/win2kpro, the gap will (is) widen (ing) over time between vista/XP (under the hood, the Vista improvements are already well established).
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On the other side of the coin the biggest disappointment so far is Dx10 :(
 
i might give this tool a check now, thanks [H]! i'd love a stripped down o/s, might even give vista a shot...horrors!
 
THRESHIN said:
i might give this tool a check now, thanks [H]! i'd love a stripped down o/s, might even give vista a shot...horrors!
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Don't. Vista ruined with vLite will leave a worse taste in your mouth than just Vista will. vLite is a like a cruel joke, they dangle a carrot in front of you promising all this cool stuff, but you lose 10 years of your life trying to make it work correctly.
 
It looks like an excellent program, but I actually find many of Vista's features helpful.

Most of the things I would disable with a program like VLite would only save disk space, which is really cheap nowadays.
 
nLite was and is awesome -- it does a great job of reducing useless components to free up space and amounts of RAM/processing power from being used.

I used vLite 3 months ago and it provided many great options as well, but not as good as nLite's options... also after removing some components with vLite, I had trouble updating a lot of things via Windows Update (whereas with nLite, I'd totally remove a ton of things and have no problems at all). I think I'll give it another try later this year though.
 
Yea my Vlite failed after install... went back to XP honestly cause every Nlite disk I've made has been flawless :D
 
I love how so many people are on the Vista hating bandwagon. It's people like that that are the reason we're being held back technologically. We could be on the moon and have it colonized by now if it weren't for people like that. The great features that come bundeled into Vista re just that/ great features. I don't care about the 1.2 GB of p[rinter drivers. I have loads of hard drive space and what if I ever need to use one of those printers on the fly? BOOM! IT WORKS! Stripping the features from Vista is again, like buying a high-priced racecar to only drive it in the city limits at 1/10th the speed of which it was made for.
 
L33t Masta said:
I love how so many people are on the Vista hating bandwagon. It's people like that that are the reason we're being held back technologically. We could be on the moon and have it colonized by now if it weren't for people like that. The great features that come bundeled into Vista re just that/ great features. I don't care about the 1.2 GB of p[rinter drivers. I have loads of hard drive space and what if I ever need to use one of those printers on the fly? BOOM! IT WORKS! Stripping the features from Vista is again, like buying a high-priced racecar to only drive it in the city limits at 1/10th the speed of which it was made for.
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And what about people that use Vista mostly as a gaming OS? I don't need a billion printer drivers. I use one printer which I use updated drivers for anyway. Why should I have to wait for them to install? I don't use MSN. Why should I have to deal with the installer being on my computer? If I don't use something I don't want it on my hard drive. Its not about space as much as it is less clutter to go through. What about all the services and features I don't need? Why should they be on my hard drive and eating up my RAM when I am NEVER going to use them? I like Vista, like it more than XP in fact, but I also like having things less cluttered. Not to mention not having to wait for updates to download and install and being able to just start in the install, walk away, and come back to a ready to use computer with all the drivers installed and ready is a great prospect for me.
 
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