E8400 32Bit or 64bit Vista

Status
Not open for further replies.
S

seraph_harim

n00b
Joined
Jan 16, 2008
Messages
45
Hey guys, just about to press the button to send the build to me, but when I was going for the Q6600, it was impressed upon me to get the 64Bit version of Vista.

With the E8400, would 64bit vista be appropriate as well, or would be be "better" to get the 32bit version?
 
64bit Vista has very few issues anymore and drivers are solid for all but the most obscure hardware. There's really no reason to get 32bit.
 
WHY is this discussion still even coming up. You buy a 64bit processor take advantage of it get a 64bit OS. Vista is solid.
 
As there's no reason to even buy 2GB of ram anymore unless you're practically homeless, Vista64 is the appropriate OS, as 4GB is now standard (or should be, for $80).
 
really? use vista? why? Windows 7 will be out in 2009 making Vista the new age WinME. Sure Vista will hold one over until Win7, but surely one can wait and still use 2GB of RAM effectively and efficiently until 2009, just my opinion.
 
Tetrahedron said:
really? use vista? why? Windows 7 will be out in 2009 making Vista the new age WinME. Sure Vista will hold one over until Win7, but surely one can wait and still use 2GB of RAM effectively and efficiently until 2009, just my opinion.
Click to expand...

Especially since even 32-bit Win XP can happily use about 3.5GB of the 4GB anyway. But if I was starting from scratch I'd probably at least consider Vista (not going to upgrade though).
 
Yeah, I won't upgrade the PC that I have from XP to Vista...no reason.

I have Vista on my laptop, and it seems peppy enough with 1GB of ram.

So it's gonna be hard to imagine a fully spec'd machine running it...

*Big Grin*
 
Tetrahedron said:
really? use vista? why? Windows 7 will be out in 2009 making Vista the new age WinME. Sure Vista will hold one over until Win7, but surely one can wait and still use 2GB of RAM effectively and efficiently until 2009, just my opinion.
Click to expand...

Good luck with that. With MS's timetable, Windows Seven will be out around 2012-2013.
 
Blind Man said:
just read today that it was aimed for 2010 originally but is being pushed to '09 :eek:
Click to expand...

Current release estimates are late 2009 - early 2010. The M1 (milestone 1) build just shipped to testers this month. There's usually half a dozen or more milestone builds anywhere from 3-5 months aparts. Then they'll have the Beta, beta2, and possibly even beta3 releases. After that is the RC stage which may go two or more rounds before it eventually goes Gold or RTM.

To get to a late 2009 release, they'd have to have a release schedule somewhat like the following:
Milestone 2 -- March 2008
Milestone 3 -- May 2008
Milestone 4 -- July 2008
Milestone 5 -- September 2008
Beta 1 -- November 2009
Beta 2 -- April 2009
RC1 -- August 2009
RC2 -- October 2009
RTM --November 2009

That's pretty cramped for an OS hyped as the next revolutionary Windows release. If they have ANY problems, expect the release to start slipping just like it did with Vista, Win2k, Win98, and Win95.
 
mwarps said:
As there's no reason to even buy 2GB of ram anymore unless you're practically homeless, Vista64 is the appropriate OS, as 4GB is now standard (or should be, for $80).
Click to expand...
...Or you have a DDR3 motherboard, but no yacht....
 
Forceman said:
Probably because Vista is bombing. Okay, bombing might be a little strong - let's say underperforming.
Click to expand...

You had it right! Vista IS bombing- and it's taking Windows 7 with it!

http://www.theinquirer.net/gb/inquirer/news/2008/01/23/users-shrug-windows

:) I've had all sorts of people tell me they have "heard" that Vista is terrible swear that they won't go to it. They haven't used it. I've built PCs for 5 relatives and put Vista on them- when I ask if they're having any issues, they say no!

Anyway, back on topic, I kind of wish I hadn't jumped on the Vista wagon so quickly last year- when I did, the 64 bit driver situation was terrible. Now it's great (only my scanner doesn't have 64 bit driver- in fact, I had to hack a 32 bit driver .inf file to get it to work.) But, I'm not willing to spend 15+ hours to rebuild it. I'm just going to wait until Windows 7 to make the switch. If I had to rebuild my PC, I would do 64 bit today. But, I back up, so there won't be a need...
 
mwarps said:
As there's no reason to even buy 2GB of ram anymore unless you're practically homeless, Vista64 is the appropriate OS, as 4GB is now standard (or should be, for $80).
Click to expand...

Not sure where you buy your RAM but $80 won't buy you 4Gigs of quality memory. While i'm sure 4 gigs is nice to have its not the "standard" Plenty of machines out there running 1 to 2 gigs just fine.
 
There is simply very little reason to go with a 32-bit o/s anymore. Driver availability is nearly a non issue these days, and the same can be said for software compatibility between the 32-bit and 64-bit windows builds.

The only thing you should ask yourself at this point is if you NEED Vista, or rather; do you NEED DirectX 10. In 90% of cases your answer should be a big fat NO. DX10 isn't bringing anything really new to the table visually (yet) and on the rare occasion it DOES make a difference visually the performance hit is just too damn much. Cutting my framerates in half for realistic smoke and fog effects is a big fat load of BULLSHIT.

So unless you've got a QX9XXX processor and are running 3 8800 Ultras in Tri-SLI, I recommend you consider avouiding Vista for a cheaper alternative - Windows XP Professional x64. Yes. I said it. The 64-bit version of Windows XP Professional in it's current state (after SP2) is basically Windows Server 2003 without the server baggage. It's on the order of 10 - 15% faster than the 32-bit version of XP, and that's a fact. And that's not a once in a blue moon figure either, it's a solid and near constant performance increase over the the traditional 32-bit version of Windows XP. The only downside versus the 64-bit version of Vista? No DirectX 10. Who cares anyway, right?

I could sit here and talk until I'm blue in the face but the only way you'll believe me is to give it a try, right? Well here you go... try Windows XP Professional 64-bit for free for 120 days:

http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/64bit/facts/trial.mspx

I sound like a freakin' commercial, don't I? But seriously... it's free and I can almost guarantee you'll be impressed. :)
 
fdiaz78 said:
Not sure where you buy your RAM but $80 won't buy you 4Gigs of quality memory. While i'm sure 4 gigs is nice to have its not the "standard" Plenty of machines out there running 1 to 2 gigs just fine.
Click to expand...

Yes it will. G.Skill, OCZ, Corsair... take your pick. 4GB of DDR2-800 is easy to come by at the $80 mark. CAS 5 more than likely, but in some cases, even CAS4. I've seen 4GB of OCZ Reaper DDR2-800 CAS4 for $70 AR.
 
fdiaz78 said:
Not sure where you buy your RAM but $80 won't buy you 4Gigs of quality memory. While i'm sure 4 gigs is nice to have its not the "standard" Plenty of machines out there running 1 to 2 gigs just fine.
Click to expand...

He's basically saying that DDR2 memory is getting so cheap, theres no reason not to get more of it.

It's not gonna hurt the performance of your computer, so why not pay the extra $30 or so and get more of it?

That's what I did with my notebook. Vista runs a hell of a lot better. :)
 
There is zero reason to use 32-bit any more. 64-bit Vista runs everything I've thrown at it just fine, with the exception of some old AVISynth 1.0 Filters. 32-bit is obsolete, get over it. All modern drivers run 64-bit perfectly, and any software made in the last 10 years runs in 32-bit mode just fine.

64-bit is where the entire industry is going, so you need to be caught up. SP1 adds EFI and GUID partition tabling to 64-bit Vista only, 32-bit is left in the cold. You know why? All the hardware makers told Microsoft not to bother with 32-bit EFI, because they won't be making any 32-bit UEFI hardware. 64-bit is where it's at, 32-bit is quickly being obsoleted out on both the software and hardware fronts, and the obsoletion is going to accelerate when SP1 Gold arrives with full 64-bit EFI and GPT support. It's already begun, the first consumer UEFI boards are going to be arrive in February.
 
InorganicMatter said:
There is zero reason to use 32-bit any more. 64-bit Vista runs everything I've thrown at it just fine, with the exception of some old AVISynth 1.0 Filters. 32-bit is obsolete, get over it. All modern drivers run 64-bit perfectly, and any software made in the last 10 years runs in 32-bit mode just fine.
Click to expand...

Last ten years is pushing it a bit. I'd say the last five for sure, but any longer your' bound to run into at least a 16-bit installer.
 
This link
 says otherwise.....
That is for 4gb of OCZ DDR2 ram for 55.00! (AR) IMO a pretty decent deal and as such there is NO reason not to have 4gb or more in any new system built by a member on this forum.


fdiaz78 said:
Not sure where you buy your RAM but $80 won't buy you 4Gigs of quality memory. While i'm sure 4 gigs is nice to have its not the "standard" Plenty of machines out there running 1 to 2 gigs just fine.
Click to expand...
 
The real point of the link above (IMO) is that, even before the rebate, that pair of 2GB OCZ PC2-6400 DIMMs at Fry's website is only $85. Wow, $5 more than mwarps said for 4GB of that OCZ stuff. mwarps was dead on. The rebate is gravy, though - no doubt.

To the XP 64bit pimp ( :D ), XP-Pro 64bit doesn't have the same driver support as Vista 64bit. Microsoft is not being all microsoft on everyone in order to get support for hardware on XP-Pro 64bit. They are not pulling their punches with vendors regarding Vista 64bit support, however... "you want the logo, do both"
 
I'm building a new system and ordering an E8400 also but if microsoft gave me 100 to put vista on my new machine I wouldent even do that because it's just like windows ME and it should hopefully sink without trace when windows 7 comes out. The company I support and the employees that call me from home with Vista leave alot to be desired. The only think that Vista does that xp cant is DX10 and with the that the performance hit is not worth it. All the features that was sopposed to make vista better than XP were chopped out. Tell me what can vista do that XP cant do better? Vista is a new OS but it actually sucks and reminds me so much of windows me. I'm sure that maybe the average joe that dont use there computer for more than email says that vista works but they only use 1 percent of what an OS can do so they are not as likley to run into all the problems. I'll be using XP untill the next OS release that wont have all the new features chopped out at the last minute that would make it an worthy upgrade from XP but hey I've only been working in the IT industry for 4.5 years and I've yet to see an client or business go vista and for my santiy I sure hope it stays that way. Cheers guys and everyone is entitled to there own option but ask yourself what can Vista do that XP dont do better?

PS I'd love an 64bit OS that worked great but one dont exists yet for us
 
kevdaman said:
I'm building a new system and ordering an E8400 also but if microsoft gave me 100 to put vista on my new machine I wouldent even do that because it's just like windows ME and it should hopefully sink without trace when windows 7 comes out. The company I support and the employees that call me from home with Vista leave alot to be desired. The only think that Vista does that xp cant is DX10 and with the that the performance hit is not worth it. All the features that was sopposed to make vista better than XP were chopped out. Tell me what can vista do that XP cant do better? Vista is a new OS but it actually sucks and reminds me so much of windows me. I'm sure that maybe the average joe that dont use there computer for more than email says that vista works but they only use 1 percent of what an OS can do so they are not as likley to run into all the problems. I'll be using XP untill the next OS release that wont have all the new features chopped out at the last minute that would make it an worthy upgrade from XP but hey I've only been working in the IT industry for 4.5 years and I've yet to see an client or business go vista and for my santiy I sure hope it stays that way. Cheers guys and everyone is entitled to there own option but ask yourself what can Vista do that XP dont do better?

PS I'd love an 64bit OS that worked great but one dont exists yet for us
Click to expand...

Of everyone that I talk to that hates Vista, not one of them has used it. They go on what they're told by friends and colleagues who probably have only read posts like yours from other people that haven't used it but read that it sucks from someone whose only experience with Vista was from before it was called Vista.

Vista is not anything like ME at all. ME was 98 with a color change, Win2k icons, and a shit load of instability. Vista is nothing like it predecessor. Aero is not a color change for Luna, it has a completely new API, and it 99.9999999% stable. And Vista 64-bit is rock solid and does everything that I throw at it.

For someone who claims to be an IT professional, you sure as hell don't sound like one.
 
I work for a company that has over 15000 employees in North America and about 10000 in the UK while I and 10 others support the North America side. The company I work for is into many different things such as OIL and Gas, Engineering, Design, Construction; Pharmaceuticals ect so they have there paws into everything while I’ve been working here 4.5 years supporting the infrastructure. Tell me if Vista was even a decent OS why would not Major Company upgrade to Vista? Why would school boards and Governments across the UK, Canada & US all Ban upgrading to Vista for there infrastructure? Will it comes down to Total Cost of Ownership so if you ever really learn about a computer infrastructure and Active Directory you will realize that no one wants vista because it would Cost would outweigh the benefits which are practically none at this point. Really DX 10 is still a joke, maybe next year it will mean something since our vid card’s don’t have the power to enable the eye candy. Anyone know any decent size business that would even consider switching to Vista? I like my system stability to much to throw it all away  cheers guys and it’s nice to see a difference side to the story rather than everyone saying gets Vista.
 
Please learn to type, and separate things out a bit. No one wants to read your gigantic run-on text blocks. Also, capitalizing things seemingly at random makes you appear more like a fifteen year old than an IT professional working for a multinational corporation.
 
silent-circuit said:
Please learn to type, and separate things out a bit. No one wants to read your gigantic run-on text blocks. Also, capitalizing things seemingly at random makes you appear more like a fifteen year old than an IT professional working for a multinational corporation.
Click to expand...


seriously it wasnt that big of a chunk of text, normal sized paragraph to me
 
The only point he has is that there is no real reason for most companies to upgrade to Vista at this time. It would be a huge expense with little to show for it.
 
ryan_975 said:
That's pretty cramped for an OS hyped as the next revolutionary Windows release. If they have ANY problems, expect the release to start slipping just like it did with Vista, Win2k, Win98, and Win95.
Click to expand...

I expect it to slip, but Windows 7 is likely to be pretty evolutionary - Win7 is the XP to Vista's 2000.
 
Mithent said:
I expect it to slip, but Windows 7 is likely to be pretty evolutionary - Win7 is the XP to Vista's 2000.
Click to expand...

I'm really ready to see Win31 -->Win95 type of revolution with Windows though. Evolution's good, but it's tiresome after a while.
 
I moved my gaming rig over to ultimate x64. But the laptop only has a core duo, which is 32bit, not the 64 bit C2D. :(
 
kevdaman said:
I'm building a new system and ordering an E8400 also but if microsoft gave me 100 to put vista on my new machine I wouldent even do that because it's just like windows ME and it should hopefully sink without trace when windows 7 comes out. The company I support and the employees that call me from home with Vista leave alot to be desired. The only think that Vista does that xp cant is DX10 and with the that the performance hit is not worth it. All the features that was sopposed to make vista better than XP were chopped out. Tell me what can vista do that XP cant do better? Vista is a new OS but it actually sucks and reminds me so much of windows me. I'm sure that maybe the average joe that dont use there computer for more than email says that vista works but they only use 1 percent of what an OS can do so they are not as likley to run into all the problems. I'll be using XP untill the next OS release that wont have all the new features chopped out at the last minute that would make it an worthy upgrade from XP but hey I've only been working in the IT industry for 4.5 years and I've yet to see an client or business go vista and for my santiy I sure hope it stays that way. Cheers guys and everyone is entitled to there own option but ask yourself what can Vista do that XP dont do better?

PS I'd love an 64bit OS that worked great but one dont exists yet for us
Click to expand...

Oh GROAN, can we please not start another one of these? There's already 100+ threads in the OS forum for you to fan your ignorance, so go that that there please. The OP has already decided on Vista, we don't need people like you with your elitist "spread the gospel" crap about Windows Vista.
 
kevdaman said:
I work for a company that has over 15000 employees in North America and about 10000 in the UK while I and 10 others support the North America side. The company I work for is into many different things such as OIL and Gas, Engineering, Design, Construction; Pharmaceuticals ect so they have there paws into everything while I’ve been working here 4.5 years supporting the infrastructure. Tell me if Vista was even a decent OS why would not Major Company upgrade to Vista? Why would school boards and Governments across the UK, Canada & US all Ban upgrading to Vista for there infrastructure? Will it comes down to Total Cost of Ownership so if you ever really learn about a computer infrastructure and Active Directory you will realize that no one wants vista because it would Cost would outweigh the benefits which are practically none at this point. Really DX 10 is still a joke, maybe next year it will mean something since our vid card’s don’t have the power to enable the eye candy. Anyone know any decent size business that would even consider switching to Vista? I like my system stability to much to throw it all away  cheers guys and it’s nice to see a difference side to the story rather than everyone saying gets Vista.
Click to expand...

They did the same thing when XP came out. It took most companies a couple of years to make the switch, and now they are going to do the same a couple of years after Vista. And then a couple of years after 7.
I am running Vista 64 fine, except for I-tunes not letting me burn CDs (oh boooo, think I will cry). They did just release the new 64 version last week at macworld, so now I have 0 problems.
 
As I had said, I've been running the 32-bit Version of Vista on my laptop for about a year now (of course, it was on the machine when I got it). Aside from getting myself oriented to what things had changed, I have had NO problems on this machine with a CSD T2060 and 1GB of DDR2 RAM powering it.

The only thing that was holding me back on the 64bit Vista was driver concerns, but so far everyone I've "encountered" or read posts from has told (and convinced) me to give it a whirl, so I will.

Besides, I plan on keeping my new build around for about 4 years without any major upgrades (maybe a upgrade here and there), so getting Vista would probably be a good idea even if DX10 isn't exactly being used right now, as I like to game a bit (hence, the 8800GTS)

My current setup has lasted me about 4 1/2 years, and while it's still good for a daily runner for internet and all, I can barely play Neverwinter Nights 2, let alone some lesser titles like Titan Quest (which is a good hack'n'slash IMHO) without experience hardware lag. That's the main reason why I'm getting the new rig.

Hell, if I wouldn't have been a cheap ass the first time around, I might have been able to get away with just upgrading the video card and processor, but I went with the Socket A, and AGP, which I knew at the time were "dying." Even still, I bet I'd be alright if I'd gotten a Socket 939 (is that the current one, aside from the newer AM2?), as I still see processors for that on the egg.

....LGA 775 isn't going anywhere anytime soon, is it?? lol. Just thought about that.
 
SolidBladez said:
He's basically saying that DDR2 memory is getting so cheap, theres no reason not to get more of it.

It's not gonna hurt the performance of your computer, so why not pay the extra $30 or so and get more of it?

That's what I did with my notebook. Vista runs a hell of a lot better. :)
Click to expand...

Which is why I have 8gb of RAM. $199.48 after I get my rebate back.

Overkill? Sure. There is absolutely no reason for me to have 8gb of ram in my machine, but I am a nerd and I wanted 8 gigs. :D

Oh yeah, and I am running Vista Ultimate 64 on an E8400 as well.
 
ryan_975 said:
Pop a C2D T5200 or T5300 in it's place. :D
Click to expand...
I would but Im preparing to sell it and replace this e1405 with an XPS M1330 soon as penryn gets dropped in. So not really worth it. :/

And getting the M1330 now and getting the penryn seperately is an option, but I dont have the cash available. So :shrug:
 
Status
Not open for further replies.
Back
Top