NEC 3090WQXi vs. DELL 3008WFP

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Seems like NEC announced their new 30" display:

NEC Display Solutions announces the MultiSync LCD3090WQXi display for soft-copy clinical and PACS viewing. The 4 mega pixel wide-gamut, widescreen display has leading-edge capabilities including standalone DICOM calibration and X-Light Pro sensor system and 12-bit LUT and 2,560 × 1,600 resolution for detailed images and grayscale contrast. Color-Comp™ reduces LCD uniformity errors and compensates for color/grayscale/luminance differences, while advanced backlight technology produces 102 percent of the National Television System Committee color scale for unsurpassed color gradation.

No information on end unit cost yet (but its likely to be anywhere from 2000 to 2500 USD). Any comparisons with Dell 3008WFP.
 
Well if there's any radiologist going to RSNA 2008, please take pics!
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Also interesting bit I had not seen elsewhere:
Samsung Electronics America, Inc. (Booth# S-1237): Samsung is introducing XL30, the world's first 30-inch LED backlit monitor. Designed for the most sensitive of color critical applications, the XL30 supports users that demand extremely accurate color temperature, linearly color tracking brightness uniformity and color reproduction.​
 
MikeRfactor said:
Also interesting bit I had not seen elsewhere:
Samsung Electronics America, Inc. (Booth# S-1237): Samsung is introducing XL30, the world's first 30-inch LED backlit monitor. Designed for the most sensitive of color critical applications, the XL30 supports users that demand extremely accurate color temperature, linearly color tracking brightness uniformity and color reproduction.​
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Yah; I saw a little blerb on their website under CES news. The price will probubly real high, but we will have to wait and see about that. I am hoping that they will update the 305t with something a little less pricy.

Dave
 
daveswantek said:
Yah; I saw a little blerb on their website under CES news. The price will probubly real high, but we will have to wait and see about that. I am hoping that they will update the 305t with something a little less pricy.

Dave
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PVA no thanks.
 
Why do they use PVA for a LED blacklit display? I can only assume it is to cut costs. If *VA didn't have the black crush I would consider.
 
jbzx86 said:
Why do they use PVA for a LED blacklit display? I can only assume it is to cut costs. If *VA didn't have the black crush I would consider.
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NEC 3090WQXi has a LED backlight? Where did you get this info from.
 
jbzx86 said:
Why do they use PVA for a LED blacklit display? I can only assume it is to cut costs. If *VA didn't have the black crush I would consider.
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No; cost has nothing to do with it. Samsung makes the S-PVA pannels and so far they are the only one to put LED backlight into production. LG makes S-IPS and no LED backlight so far. It is not a big deal yet, but as they improve the tech. by shrinking the dimming zones it will be. LED backlighting for TVs has met with mixed results and it is too pricy so far.

The bad news for S-IPS fans is that LG's new pannel seems to have problums with backlight bleed. You can blame Dell for the backlight being too bright in the 3008WFP, but the backlight bleeding has got more to do with the pannel manufacturing. This could effect the HP and ACD as well.

It is interesting to watch all of this playout, but I do not see anything worth buying yet.

Dave

PS Just to be clear; we are talking about the Samsung XL30 with LED backlight
 
daveswantek said:
The bad news for S-IPS fans is that LG's new pannel seems to have problums with backlight bleed. You can blame Dell for the backlight being too bright in the 3008WFP, but the backlight bleeding has got more to do with the pannel manufacturing. This could effect the HP and ACD as well.
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You mean the panel in 3008WFP is not manufactured correctly or is there some design issues that inherently make the panel leak more backlight. If it is a manufacturing problem, I assume it will be corrected soon?
 
interec said:
You mean the panel in 3008WFP is not manufactured correctly or is there some design issues that inherently make the panel leak more backlight. If it is a manufacturing problem, I assume it will be corrected soon?
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My 3008WFP has very little backlight bleeding. In fact, it has the least amount that I've ever seen on any LCD, and I've seen many... I guess I got lucky. Anyway, I don't think it's a panel problem. The problem is typically with the way the panel is mounted. If parts of it get pressed too much by the frame or some other part, you get bleeding.
 
confirmed IPS based meaning LG Philips also meaning the latest 30" Q5 panels as used in the DELL 3008.
 
visualguy said:
My 3008WFP has very little backlight bleeding. In fact, it has the least amount that I've ever seen on any LCD, and I've seen many... I guess I got lucky. Anyway, I don't think it's a panel problem. The problem is typically with the way the panel is mounted. If parts of it get pressed too much by the frame or some other part, you get bleeding.
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Hopefully the backlight bleeding in the Dell 3008WFP is caused by poor mounting of the pannel. If that is true then other vendors could get a better result, but if we see the same problem in products from other vendors then it is a problem with the pannel itself. I suspect that some pannels are more sensitive to the way they are mounted then others. It is also true that LG could improve their manufacturing process over time, but I suspect this pannel will continue to have problems, because I have not seen Dell or any other manufacture have this problem with the older 30 inch pannel.

The new ACD should come out today and if it does not have this issue then my theory will be shot to hell. I really hope I am wrong, but so far I have been dissapointed in all of the new products released recently. They are all being rushed to markey in spite of obvious issues.

Dave
 
kleox64 said:
NEC are still using grade A panels, that is why there is a difference.
The NEC 30" cant be using LED since there is no large screen LED IPS based LCD modules in production.
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Do Dell not use Grade A panels? Interesting that about NEC, didn't know they even had Grade A panels. Learn something new everyday! :)
 
Well there is "binning" - where manufacturers distinguish between different levels of quality for one specific item. When Apple and Dell where both using the same 20" S-IPS panel it was often said (if not confirmed) that Apple got the highest quality panels and Dell would get the lower ones (not damaged just not the best quality). In that case your chances of getting a Dell with dead pixels etc were better than from Apple. With Dell's track record I never doubted such a thing could be true - especially after I bought a 2007WFP and it had a S-PVA instead of a S-IPS panel. I'm not saying the 30" panel is bad though since I know nothing about it aside from the photos I have seen.
 
daveswantek said:
The new ACD should come out today and if it does not have this issue then my theory will be shot to hell. I really hope I am wrong, but so far I have been dissapointed in all of the new products released recently. They are all being rushed to markey in spite of obvious issues.

Dave
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I am starting to think that decision to buy a monitor is based on which one is the least defective rather than which one has the most features. I really hope NEC 30" is different, but I won't be surprised if there are issues there as well.

Any reviews from people going to MacWorld?
 
interec said:
I am starting to think that decision to buy a monitor is based on which one is the least defective rather than which one has the most features. I really hope NEC 30" is different, but I won't be surprised if there are issues there as well.

Any reviews from people going to MacWorld?
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I agree on the above. Here is a review of Job's key note: http://blogs.zdnet.com/Apple/?p=1172

Nothing about new displays. A new very thin notebook and some network drives, and of course a bunch of iTunes, movies, TV Shows and the like. This is kind of strange, because their ACD lineup is overdue for a refresh.

Dave
 
It looks like NEC had this on display at MacWorld this week and it won a Best of Show Award. I went out to NEC's site but I didn't see anything under the 90 series section, they still show 26" as the largest size. I did find some information out there but was hoping to see actual shots of it, maybe I am just too excited. I've summarized what I found if this is a duplication I apologize in advance.


Partial list of MultiSync LCD3090WQXi features

• 2560 x 1600 resolution
• in-plane switching (IPS) module technology
• 102 percent color gamut vs. NTSC, and 97.8 percent coverage of the Adobe RGB color space
• ColorComp - Digitally compensates individual pixels for slight variations in the white and color uniformity levels of the display, resulting in greater image accuracy
• X-LightTMPro - Backlight/sensor design, which allows brightness and color settings to be held constant over the useful life of the display
• 12-bit internal LUT, which allows very precise adjustments to be made to the display’s Tone Response Curve without reducing the number of displayable colors as well as allowing for non-video card calibration
• AmbiBright, which automatically adjusts the display’s backlight, based on the ambient environment lighting, to achieve optimal viewing brightness and energy conservation
• Black Level Adjustment, which creates black levels to more closely resemble those of a CRT
• Digital CableComp, which allows extended DVI-D cables, of up to 30 meters (or 100 meter analog cables), to be utilized without any image degradation or distortion
• Digital DVI-D with HDCP and analog DVI-I inputs with true MultiSync support for non-native resolutions
• Multi-Directional Controls - Easily accessible horizontal and vertical control buttons for simple on-screen management in either landscape or portrait modes
• Eco-Mode, which allows users or administrators to dim the back-light to brightness level pre-sets of 75 percent or 50 percent, which reduce power consumption and yield longer product life
• Spectraview II Supported - Compatible with NEC’s color calibration software for hardware calibration and profiling
• Standalone calibration/matching - Sensor can be connected directly to monitor; no PC necessary for calibration
• Designed for landscape or portrait usage without degradation of performance or life of product
• Extended 190mm height adjustment range, which allows unprecedented ergonomic flexibility
• OSD Lockout - All functions, including power, can be locked out at the display for greater setting security
• Overdrive, which improves gray-to-gray response time for better gaming and full-motion video experience
• Quick-release stand for easy mounting on third-party arms or wall mounts
• WEEE Compliant, which ensures easier, more environmentally friendly product transitions
• Standard four-year limited warranty
• Ships February for $2,200.


I also hear they introduced a 42" (42DWX+) curved display which looks really interesting but, I have no specs on it (see pic of the 42" below):

nec42-inchultrawide-lg.jpg
 
Regarding the 3008WFP's backlight, I just recently received mine and I can see what people are talking about, however I don't think it's actual backlight bleed. It seems to be more of an unusual viewing angle issue, as the 'bleeding' will only appear at a close distance, where if you sit about 4 or 5 feet away the issue disappears completely. It seems similar to a TN display's viewing angle issues, but more limited. I know nobody is going to want to do that, but I'm just saying that it isn't the same issue as, for example, my 2407wfp had with backlighting. For me, there is a tiny amount of normal backlight bleeding at the top and nothing more.
 
Sigmae said:
Regarding the 3008WFP's backlight, I just recently received mine and I can see what people are talking about, however I don't think it's actual backlight bleed. It seems to be more of an unusual viewing angle issue, as the 'bleeding' will only appear at a close distance, where if you sit about 4 or 5 feet away the issue disappears completely. It seems similar to a TN display's viewing angle issues, but more limited. I know nobody is going to want to do that, but I'm just saying that it isn't the same issue as, for example, my 2407wfp had with backlighting. For me, there is a tiny amount of normal backlight bleeding at the top and nothing more.
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For adjusting my price from $1,830 to $1,644, Dell asked me to return the monitor that I had ordered earlier and they send me another one as part of a new order. The new one that I got is much better.

There is still some back light that I see, but overall this one is much better than the previous one. The back light consistency also seems to be better on this one than the previous one.

Plus the control buttons in the front of the monitor are also much softer, so its easier to use them.

Although given that NEC LCD3090WQXi is out, I am not sure if I am going to keep this one. Wonder if it is worth paying $550 more for LCD3090WQXi. Anyplace where I can check it out.
 
interec said:
For adjusting my price from $1,830 to $1,644, Dell asked me to return the monitor that I had ordered earlier and they send me another one as part of a new order. The new one that I got is much better.

There is still some back light that I see, but overall this one is much better than the previous one. The back light consistency also seems to be better on this one than the previous one.

Plus the control buttons in the front of the monitor are also much softer, so its easier to use them.

Although given that NEC LCD3090WQXi is out, I am not sure if I am going to keep this one. Wonder if it is worth paying $550 more for LCD3090WQXi. Anyplace where I can check it out.
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Still an A00 or is it an A01 build?
 
Jazzz said:
http://biz.yahoo.com/bw/080118/20080118005645.html?.v=1

They were saying it is out on Feb but now are stating March for the 3090WQXi
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Companies such as Eizo, NEC, and Samsung announce monitors way before they actually ship them, and they love to specify completely unrealistic shipping dates. IIRC it took about 2 years from the time the Samsung 305T was announced until it shipped. Similarly the Samsung XL30 was announced many months (a year?) ago, and still hasn't been shipped. Also, Eizo hasn't shipped the SX3031W or the CG301W.

I take all these announcements with a grain of salt...
 
It looks like the Eizo SX3031W has been shipped in limited quantities. This store (which is an Eizo authorized dealer) has two in stock right now (most others seem to have it on backorder):


The CG301W on the other hand seems like it won't ship until Mid-February.
 
It looks like the CG301W will be over $5K which is even more than the LED-backed Samsung XL30. Wow! Eizo must be making large margins on these monitors. The extra calibration and better electronics can't be that expensive...

Is it true that the SX3031W is a Samsung panel, and the CG301W is LG?
 
I don't think Eizo has ever used LG panels. The S-IPS panels they've used in the past have been from other manufacturers like Hitachi and Mitsubishi. They seem to be fond of using Samsung S-PVA panels lately.
 
ToastyX said:
I don't think Eizo has ever used LG panels. The S-IPS panels they've used in the past have been from other manufacturers like Hitachi and Mitsubishi. They seem to be fond of using Samsung S-PVA panels lately.
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Is it known if the CG301W is S-IPS?

By the way, the SX3031W is "only" $2800 in Japan. I don't know why it lists for so much more in the US.
 
visualguy said:
Is it known if the CG301W is S-IPS?

By the way, the SX3031W is "only" $2800 in Japan. I don't know why it lists for so much more in the US.
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CG's series are ALL ONLY IPS based, Eizo only recommends the CG series for colour critical work.
CE series are very high-end S-PVA based displays custom made for them, you cant compare these to dell's or NEC's.
 
visualguy said:
It looks like the CG301W will be over $5K which is even more than the LED-backed Samsung XL30. Wow! Eizo must be making large margins on these monitors. The extra calibration and better electronics can't be that expensive...

Is it true that the SX3031W is a Samsung panel, and the CG301W is LG?
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Its Eizo meaning people will pay for them, the samsung is a waste since the viewing angles are worse.
 
visualguy said:
Companies such as Eizo, NEC, and Samsung announce monitors way before they actually ship them, and they love to specify completely unrealistic shipping dates. IIRC it took about 2 years from the time the Samsung 305T was announced until it shipped. Similarly the Samsung XL30 was announced many months (a year?) ago, and still hasn't been shipped. Also, Eizo hasn't shipped the SX3031W or the CG301W.

I take all these announcements with a grain of salt...
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Hopefully NEC will deliver, have they been known to be late in the past?

The Samsung one seems to really be dragging on. I believe announced it in March last year and scheduled for a release around August 2007 IIRC but we are now in the new year and still no sign of the monitor here in the UK.
 
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