Apple Set To Back Blu-ray?

w1retap said:
If something has the exclusive ability out of the box to play the new format movie, that would be considered a player. Buying another add-on part for $130+ is not.
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So should we count all computers as DVD / CD players because they happen to be able to play CDs and DVDs?

Like I've said many times now, if you count every PS3 sold as a player in the "war", you are going to skew your results a lot. If the PS3 has sold say 6 million units and 50% of those are used as Blu-ray players, your numbers are off by 3 million users.
 
http://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread.php?t=8608

That is a blu-ray forum but it is just a compliation of Home Media Magazine links (HM Mag is used in the industry).

Since inception numbers have not fluctuated. Only gone up. Slowly, but up. And this is just in the US. HD DVD is getting slaughtered everywhere else. Europe 4-1 last I heard, Japan 9-1.
 
You aren't listening. I said "players". Yes, a player has the ability to play the format. Sony piggybacked the BR drive into the PS3 to make it a Blu-ray Player, and that is how they marketed it upon its inception, and that is how they are still marketing it today. It isn't a standalone unit in my opinion, but it is certainly a player counted in statistics. I would say the same thing if they built a HD DVD-ROM drive into the Xbox 360. We'll see at CES, because it is a pretty strong rumor.
 
deeznuts said:
Since inception numbers have not fluctuated. Only gone up. Slowly, but up. And this is just in the US. HD DVD is getting slaughtered everywhere else. Europe 4-1 last I heard, Japan 9-1.
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We know, and we already covered that. MiniDisk failed everywhere else in the world, but it is/was very successful in Japan. The rest of the world doesn't mean much when it comes to technology, it only matters in the market you are currently speaking of.
 
w1retap said:
You aren't listening. I said "players". Yes, a player has the ability to play the format. Sony piggybacked the BR drive into the PS3 to make it a Blu-ray Player, and that is how they marketed it upon its inception, and that is how they are still marketing it today. It isn't a standalone unit in my opinion, but it is certainly a player counted in statistics. I would say the same thing if they built a HD DVD-ROM drive into the Xbox 360. We'll see at CES, because it is a pretty strong rumor.
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Yeah I agree with you that it is a player (I said that in one of my other posts). I'm just saying you can't count all of them in your statistics because it messes them up, and you can't not count them as well, because people did buy them just to watch movies. So its a catch-22.
 
If you cannot count players, then you cannot calculate statistics like attachment rate, units sold, manufacturing costs, annual gains/losses, etc. They need to be counted in statistics. I don't know why you guys are so against this. Sony themselves markets the PS3 as a Blu-ray player. :confused:
 
jmackay said:
Yeah I agree with you that it is a player (I said that in one of my other posts). I'm just saying you can't count all of them in your statistics because it messes them up, and you can't not count them as well, because people did buy them just to watch movies. So its a catch-22.
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Last I read a few months ago, something along the lines of 60% of PS3 owners do not even know what Blu-ray or, or don't know the PS3 can play Blu-ray movies. I'm sure the number has changed, but to be generous, we'll say the PS3 has a 50% Blu-ray adoption rate, so I would say counting HALF of the PS3s in standalone sales is fair. Thing is, you never see that. All the "winning" statistics for Blu-ray count all PS3s as standalone players, and a lot of crazy disc statistics (like the 9-1 ratio that keeps popping up) even count PS3 games as "Blu-ray disk sales." Of course, all the losing statistics for Blu-ray don't include any PS3s. Then you've got the HD DVD camp trying to say that Toshiba laptops and Xbox accessories count as "players." It's really hard to gauge the true winner so far because the scores on both sides are heavily spun, and there's no true middle ground or logic in trying to determine a winner because all the tech giants have got huge stakes in this war.
 
nah, it is in the best interest of companies to sell nuance items at an extra cost. :D
 
Cinge said:
I wonder how much Sony is offering to pay Apple to do this?
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I would imagine since Steve Jobs is the largest shareholder in Disney, the choice was made without any money chaging hands.

If Apple really wanted to keep up their 'supernatural tech-company' image, they would have put dual-format reading drive in it. Those things are cheap, and fully compatible (read: no BD Java scandal), since DRM playback is handled at the software level.
 
i dont think high definition internet distribution of movies will become mainstream until we see atleast 100mb/s download speeds in most homes, which will likely not happen for a LONG time because of how our dumb internet system is layed out.

I personally don't care who wins this "war", because they are virtually the same performance and feature wise.
 
Cinge said:
I wonder how much Sony is offering to pay Apple to do this?
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Thats an outrageous and obnoxious question. Apple has been Blu since the beginning, they were simply waiting for pricing to come down. If you look, Apple has always been listed in the blu camp.

Its hd-dvd that has to pay for support. ;)
 
InorganicMatter said:
Those things are cheap, and fully compatible (read: no BD Java scandal), since DRM playback is handled at the software level.
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How much do they cost? Combo set top players are about $1000 right now. The cheapest Blu Ray burner I've seen is about $400 and I haven't seen any combo burners out there yet.

Just wondering. If its cheap I'll totally buy one.
 
You can get optical combo drives for your pc pretty cheap as well, I believe the SATA hd-dvd/bd is $299
 
Killa_2327 said:
You can get optical combo drives for your pc pretty cheap as well, I believe the SATA hd-dvd/bd is $299
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Exactly, so we can expect these to start showing at Apple for the low low price of $2499 in only a year or so.

More good work for the steaming pile that is Jobs. Lets screw our customers into the expensive, inferior product to boost my Disney stock! YAY!!!
 
Steve said:
which means literally hundreds of new customers for team Sony. ;)
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Hehehe...

I hate how Microsoft and Apple have to pick sides though. Apple is especially full of a-holes since a bluray AND hd-dvd drive is under $300 in single units but why give customers the ability to play ALL formats when you can limit them to just the ones you like? :rolleyes:
 
Ya apple will back bluray but charge $799 more for the bluray reader option on macs. So not everyone using a mac will get one.
Thanks
 
What's Apple word wide market share? 5%

HD-DVD is at about 38%, so HD-DVD is doing a lot better than Apple. HD-DVD is doing better than Apple has ever done.
 
BladeVenom said:
What's Apple word wide market share? 5%

HD-DVD is at about 38%, so HD-DVD is doing a lot better than Apple. HD-DVD is doing better than Apple has ever done.
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Oh man that is hillarious, lets compare two completely different things just because they have percent signs!

4/5 = 80%
40,000 / 500,000 = 8%

Tell me, what is more, 40,000 or 4? According to you, 4. But hey, who is counting anyway.
 
Dolby said:
Since when is Sony the owner of Blue-Ray? Yes they helped develop it but they weren't the only ones. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blue-ray

Of course apple is adding support for blue-ray they are apart of the Association... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blu-ray_Disc_Association

Please don't call it Sony's Blue-Ray... they don't deserve all the credit. Pioneer was a part in creating the technology too.
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Sony started the project with pioneer, is the main supporter and has been marketing the living crap out of it. While others have been a part of creating it Sony is the main reason it has gotten anywhere. Without sony it probably never would have even left the drawing board.

And its Blu-Ray not Blue
 
Whoops, yes Blu-ray. Thanks for the correction some reason wikipedia had it as Blue-ray and I just had the name in my clipboard.

Again its still not Sony's Blu-ray. ;)
 
BladeVenom said:
What's Apple word wide market share? 5%

HD-DVD is at about 38%, so HD-DVD is doing a lot better than Apple. HD-DVD is doing better than Apple has ever done.
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Wow, dumb comparison. Completely wrong too. So are you now going to compare Toyota to Wal-Mart selling chips? And some how conclude that Toyota is doing better than Wal-Mart? The markets are different sizes. Unless Toyota made chips...
 
lamboman said:
Wow, dumb comparison. Completely wrong too. So are you now going to compare Toyota to Wal-Mart selling chips? And some how conclude that Toyota is doing better than Wal-Mart? The markets are different sizes. Unless Toyota made chips...
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Toyota's chips probably wouldn't be too tasty. :p

Why is it that there is still no HD DVD burners out? Not like BD ones are cheap at $400~ with $10+ discs...but still this could play a decent role in the winner of the format war.
 
Dolby said:
Since when is Sony the owner of Blue-Ray? Yes they helped develop it but they weren't the only ones. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blue-ray

Of course apple is adding support for blue-ray they are apart of the Association... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blu-ray_Disc_Association

Please don't call it Sony's Blue-Ray... they don't deserve all the credit. Pioneer was a part in creating the technology too.
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Sony receives huge royalties on Blu-ray's licensing fees for both stamping and playback equipment, much more than everyone else in the Blu-ray group, so they are often portrayed as the "main" owners of Blu-ray, seeing as how they have the most to lose in this war.
 
w1retap said:
I must be mistaken then. I was just going off of the Nielsen numbers according to Blu-ray.com forum members. Maybe you should go over there and set them right. :p
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jmackay said:
And it would be like counting all xbox 360's as HD players because you can buy the addon if you want to watch HD-DVD with them.

Like I said before; You can't count all of the PS3's sold as players, and you can't say that none of them are either. How many are used exclusively as Blu-ray players is a number we will never know.
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jmackay said:
So should we count all computers as DVD / CD players because they happen to be able to play CDs and DVDs?

Like I've said many times now, if you count every PS3 sold as a player in the "war", you are going to skew your results a lot. If the PS3 has sold say 6 million units and 50% of those are used as Blu-ray players, your numbers are off by 3 million users.
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OMG you dont listen


with the xbox 360 you would count HDDVD DRIVE sales ONLY not 360 sales!! since it is an add-on part!!! the 360 DOES NOT COME with HDDVD Drive thus every 360 sale is NOT an HDDVD player sale!!!!
 
BladeVenom said:
What's Apple word wide market share? 5%

HD-DVD is at about 38%, so HD-DVD is doing a lot better than Apple. HD-DVD is doing better than Apple has ever done.
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WOW, as said, awful comparison, talk about apples vs prime rib!
 
MrGuvernment said:
with the xbox 360 you would count HDDVD DRIVE sales ONLY not 360 sales!! since it is an add-on part!!! the 360 DOES NOT COME with HDDVD Drive thus every 360 sale is NOT an HDDVD player sale!!!!
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But a lot of the Xbox drives don't end up on Xboxes as standalone players. Most are bought as cheap external USB HD DVD drives by enthusiasts and HTPC gurus.
 
well yeah.. the only use the for Xbox 360 HD DVD unit is to play movies. I think we can all consider it a player. :p
 
Killa_2327 said:
Why is it that there is still no HD DVD burners out? Not like BD ones are cheap at $400~ with $10+ discs...but still this could play a decent role in the winner of the format war.
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We'll see what CES has to offer, there's supposed to be some big announcements.

From what an intern for Toshiba told me at college, he said they are waiting on releasing the burners. This is because they're waiting on finishing up testing the 51GB TL spec. I guess the burners are supposed to be triple layer burners with everything being reverse compatible with all players/readers. The HD DVD spec was created with this support in mind before it was even released, so my guess is they are just finishing the firmware and software updates for all the units.
 
MrGuvernment said:
OMG you dont listen


with the xbox 360 you would count HDDVD DRIVE sales ONLY not 360 sales!! since it is an add-on part!!! the 360 DOES NOT COME with HDDVD Drive thus every 360 sale is NOT an HDDVD player sale!!!!
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And you didn't understand what I was trying to say. I was trying to say, marking each PS3 as a Blu-ray movie watcher would be just as bad as marking every xbox 360 owner as a HD-DVD watcher. If you had read my other posts you would have seen that I was saying not every PS3 owner watches blu-ray movies, so counting all of them skews your numbers.

Anyway, I don't want to go back on that bandwagon so lets leave the horse :)
 
If they chose to market it as a player, then their numbers should be skewed. It is their own fault. :p
 
HD DVD will win. It has the word DVD in it people. My grandparents had a hard enough time going to a DVD player.

"What's blue-ray sonnie boy? I'll just go with the fancy DVD player"
 
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