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Erasmus354

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They have some pics of their new G92 waterblock up on their site. Looks like it was designed by a lazy monkey.

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Dam, that is a ugly and simple block. EK's looks so much better compared to that!

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Well.....doesn't look too restrictive.

They are still going with that rough copper I see, and what is up with those two bumps in the block?
 
duh, the studs are there to increase surface area over that spot which is because it needs the cooling. The core doesn't need much cooling, the memory runs way hotter, so that part doesn't have that many of those fins, to increase flow.

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Sorry, rough copper is not a good idea since it will be a great foothole for contaminants to get struck and grow.


I was feeling DD was run by n00bs right now :(

 
I've never been a fan of the full blocks anyway, from ANY company.

Don't get me wrong, they look great but for the price and performance vs a gpu waterblock with copper sinks can go a longer way and you don't run the same risk of possible level imperfections that could create heat pockets around the memory area if there's not a good enough contact, i'd rather get a separate gpu block and memory sinks..
 
Wshmaster0 said:
I've never been a fan of the full blocks anyway, from ANY company.

Don't get me wrong, they look great but for the price and performance vs a gpu waterblock with copper sinks can go a longer way and you don't run the same risk of possible level imperfections that could create heat pockets around the memory area if there's not a good enough contact, i'd rather get a separate gpu block and memory sinks..
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I´m at the opinion that FC-blocks is better. My mems on GFX OC better with good cooling that only FC-blocks can give. Not to mention the VRM area that don´t like aircooling. Could not go over 1044/2088MHz with heatsinks and airflow with a good 2000rpm 120mm fan on my old TR HR03 Plus.
Besides i dont like the feeling the sinks can fall of anytime and burn the card.
The only downside is that i need new block with every card, but that´s a low prize for the bennefit they give.
One other good thing is that i can use the PCI-slot under GFX so even if the card is a 1,6 slot card i can use the slot directly under GFX. GPU only blocks can´t do that.
 
Wshmaster0 said:
I've never been a fan of the full blocks anyway, from ANY company.

Don't get me wrong, they look great but for the price and performance vs a gpu waterblock with copper sinks can go a longer way and you don't run the same risk of possible level imperfections that could create heat pockets around the memory area if there's not a good enough contact, i'd rather get a separate gpu block and memory sinks..
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I'm the same way, don't care for FC blocks at all..........:D. I myself have never had a sink fall off of my ram or anything over the years...........:eek: I guess its a matter of putting them on correctly.................:eek:
 
Arcygenical said:
Rough copper is fine... but the studs? Srsly?
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If you compare the location of the "studs" with the EK block, you'll see that they're probably reinforcement to the area where the screws go in from the backside to hold the block to the card.
 
Hmm, seems like it is cheaper to pour a casting vs. machining out a block.
 
all of their blocks are now, at least the ones with the pins
the roughness will just catch water and the water around it will move faster, leaving a thin film of water, whn they port intakes for cars they cut small ridges in it so it does that to increase flow

i think they press them out of copper plate,
 
I am surprised in the amount of DD bashing here. Have any of you made a GPU block? I have made quite a few and its a lot of work.If you had you would realize it would be impossible to make one for $109 (unless you work for $5hr)

As to flow of polished VS rough the roughness allows more surface area (think fins but thousands of smaller ones)

Yes intake manifolds and heads are ported/polished but heat transfer is not the issue maximum flow is, as a matter of fact NOT transferring heat to the fuel air charge is preferred.

I think Il wait till there are actual comparisons before I bash this cooler or DD.
 
well said markkleb. Rough copper won't "catch" water and leave a keep a layer of warm water, it will allow for better heat transfer as the water "interacts" with the surface more. It does take a lot of work to make a block, especially to get everything to work in harmony.
All this talk of intakes on cars, it can slightly be compared but not really bercause it's a different process because it's involving air vs water here. Besides intakes are roughed up at the start of the runners so that the air and fuel will be at optimal mix, there is very little area that is polished like many people think it is, and this is only very close to where the air/fuel mixture is finally entering the cylinder.
If anybody is that worried about it not performing because it's a rough surface then get in there and polish it smooth. Round out some of those sharp turns as well because that's where water is probably being trapped, it's unavoidable though to reduce them all.
 
EK and Danger Den both make great products. . . I have used products from both of them and recommend either of them. Their GPU blocks are very similar . . .I personally am glad Danger Den is going with the Tyee style of blocks (many DD detractors did not like their newer style . . .now they are giving people what they want and people still complain).
 
At least put some nice button top HEX bolts on the top.........


That block better not cost more than $70.00 since it appears to be cheap (not only looking but cost to machine).
 
R1ckCa1n said:
At least put some nice button top HEX bolts on the top.........
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I would rather have 16 phillips screws than 8 buttonheads and searching for my stupid allen wrench, lol

PS: seems to me a one piece copper block would transfer heat better than a piece of alum attached with a couple screws
 
bigbadgreen said:
it's a different process because it's involving air vs water here.
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oh hey, didn't think of that! the viscosity would have a lot to do with it.

well it still looks cheap! :p

if you look at dd's blocks they are all with pins instead of machined channels now, i think that the savings in manufacture should be passed on to the consumer, pressing or casting a block is quicker/cheaper than cutting each channel and the small endmills would have to be replaced a lot, because copper is a very hard material to machine compared to say, cast iron which when cut makes dust instead of chips in my experience, the copper sticks to the bits and wears them/ sticks to the part and snaps off the bit, so in the end the new process could make the costs 3/4-1/2 what it used to be. then they keep the price the same and make more money, that's business:rolleyes:
 
best [486];1031870043 said:
so in the end the new process could make the costs 3/4-1/2 what it used to be. then they keep the price the same and make more money, that's business:rolleyes:
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You have never run a business, have you...:rolleyes:

PS: what has viscosity to do with if the surface is polished or not?
Shouldn't the purpose of the block be to remove heat? Like what was pointed out earlier the rough surface removes more heat than a polished one.(more surface area)

You guys seem way to hung up on the blocks "prettiness"
 
I actually love the sandblasted look... It's all rugged and manly... Kinda like extruded aluminum!
 
The surface area from the sandblasting and fins together can't be equal to that of the fins on the EK block.
 
filthysanchez said:
The surface area from the sandblasting and fins together can't be equal to that of the fins on the EK block.
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so basically you are saying you know more about heat transfer/dissipation than DD does? How tall do the fins need to be?

Nothing personal but untill there is a "FilthySanchez" company and you have had some experience in mfg/design/sales you have little credibility to me.;)
 
markkleb said:
so basically you are saying you know more about heat transfer/dissipation than DD does? How tall do the fins need to be?

Nothing personal but untill there is a "FilthySanchez" company and you have had some experience in mfg/design/sales you have little credibility to me.;)
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I could just say the same thing about you, but I'm not going to bother.

I'm saying that the EK should take less of a performance hit on core temps because they have more surface area over the core, and memory temps aren't going to be hurt badly because the surface is nice and shiny over it.
 
markkleb said:
so basically you are saying you know more about heat transfer/dissipation than DD does? How tall do the fins need to be?

Nothing personal but untill there is a "FilthySanchez" company and you have had some experience in mfg/design/sales you have little credibility to me.;)
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markkleb, it takes an ignorant fool to not realize what DangerDen is doing with their recent full cover offerings. They are trying to save manufacturing costs and in the meantime scrimping on performance. I have no doubts that this waterblock will cool the card just fine, its not hard to do that, you could probably get by with no fins if you really wanted to. However, most of us enthusiasts aren't satisfied with just fine, we want some effort put into the damn thing, and we want excellent performance.

The AquaComputer and the EK full cover blocks are both easily better offerings. You don't even need a performance comparison to know that both of those two blocks have better cooling at the core of the card where it matters the most. The fins on the DD block are more suited to chipset cooling than graphics cooling.
 
I've seen your worklogs, and you make some nice stuff, but for the amount it costs, it's just not worth buying.
 
I actually really like it. If it performs well then I'd prefer it over a flashy blingy product that cools 2.4234% better (not saying the other company's cooler was flashy or blingy).
 
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That's my pr0n collection for my own block. The only real gripe I have about it are that it's not as nice and smooth on the base as I'd like it to be, but the TRUE is like that too.

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I wanted to totaly flame you but than I saw you like the Centurion 5 so you cant be all bad;)

PS: Thanks FS
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All my stuff's going into my Stacker 810 when I get it and install everything. I've gotta get a radgrill or something though for the back MCR220, because the hole I'll have to cut won't look pretty otherwise.

I'm probably going to give the Centurion 5 to my brother, along with the 939 rig I have(3500+, DFI Ultra D, 7600 gs, etc.)
 
Darkatom said:
Are you going to use the spring limiters with the fuzion ?
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Mind explaining what the spring limiters are?

I have the block, and I ordered the thermalright backplate, but I don't know exactly how I need to go about installing it. I don't want to bow my board or anything though.
 
Your fuzion should have come with four spring limiters (black plastic cylinders ) which prevent the user from over tightening and possible putting too much pressure on the cpu socket and ofcourse bowing the board. I only ask because I see your using the same back plate as me, which using it will prevent the board from warping.

I used to not use the spring limiters as I was using a back plate, I was just curious as to what approach you were taking.
 
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That's my pr0n collection for my own block. The only real gripe I have about it are that it's not as nice and smooth on the base as I'd like it to be, but the TRUE is like that too.




All my stuff's going into my Stacker 810 when I get it and install everything. I've gotta get a radgrill or something though for the back MCR220, because the hole I'll have to cut won't look pretty otherwise.

I'm probably going to give the Centurion 5 to my brother, along with the 939 rig I have(3500+, DFI Ultra D, 7600 gs, etc.)
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The only thing we cannot deny is you have rich corinthian leather . . .congrats
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markkleb said:
LOL, ignorant fool?...:rolleyes:

Like I mentioned to FilthySanchez in the earlier post your opinion would count for more if you had ANY experience in MFG/Marketing at all.
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I am confused how experience in manufacturing water blocks and marketing waterblocks has anything at all to do with knowledge of basic thermal dynamics. If you could enlighten me on that one it would be a great help.

You don't need to have marketed water blocks to see that the cooling area above the core for the IONE is smaller, has less surface area, and will create less turbulence than its main competitors. Those are all bad things in terns of heat transfer. In fact the only good thing about the block is that it is slightly cheaper and likely is lower restriction. The lower restriction will probably have a hard time overcoming its shortcomings around the core area however.

THAT comes from the experience of many years of watercooling and a couple of university thermo dynamics courses, more than enough to know what is going on.

DangerDen is quickly becoming a mainstream company. They are no longer trying to service the enthusiast base that got them started. In order to become a mainstream company they need to improve profit margins. Performance also isn't nearly as important to the mainstream as "ooo shiny watercooling". Therefore DangerDen is trying to lower their manufacturing costs and increase their profit. I can't particularly hold it against DangerDen, it is good for them as a company, but still disappointing as a former loyal customer. I wanted to see DangerDen put out something really nice for their full cover block, something different, instead we got something that scrimped in an effort to lower costs with no concern for performance.

Look at DangerDens full cover blocks over the years. Graphics cores have been getting larger and hotter. Yet DangerDens cooling area for the cores have gotten smaller and less complex. Using less and/or smaller fins. Their design is moving backwards, and it is disappointing.
 
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