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I buy the best products I can afford. I don't really give any thought to the company's politics or behavior.

That is not wise imo, what if said company was involved in highly illegal and/or very destructive on the environment; example being involved in supporting terrorism directly financing it, supporting slave trading, etc.. Now of course Intel does not do this, nor am I claiming they are, I am just saying that it is important to know where your money is going and what it is being used for.

Why I buy AMD 99% of the time and recommend them to people, because of how Intel operates for which I do not agree with.
 
That is not wise imo, what if said company was involved in highly illegal and/or very destructive on the environment; example being involved in supporting terrorism directly financing it, supporting slave trading, etc.. Now of course Intel does not do this, nor am I claiming they are, I am just saying that it is important to know where your money is going and what it is being used for.

Why I buy AMD 99% of the time and recommend them to people, because of how Intel operates for which I do not agree with.

Honestly a lot of people are forgetting how a free market system is supposed to work

I don't blame you guys, the government has regulated almost every aspect of our lives (speaking as an American right now, I bet a lot of you guys on the other side can relate though...)

For each product, there is a certain price a certain individual would pay for the product. A lot of people think this involves perfect information and and educated populace, but all it requires is rationality within the scope of the situation. To try to explain your reasoning to anyone else is almost impossible. It's one of those things which is :)

For some persons, these chips might be quite necessary to the point where Intel's 1000$ CPU's are financially viable. For others, not even the 199$ Phenom can get us to jump to quad-core. Now where are you as an individual on the chart in terms of how much you'll pay for a chip -- that depends entirely on you and what value you place on perceived externalities.
 
Well I hate to agree with anyone LOL But I to have been building all my friends and my own machines using AMD proscessors due to Intels business practices for the last several years. I think it is not free enterprise and that Intel has used strong arm tactics and coercion whenever possible to maintain their own profitability and market share! This is illegal and smacks of monopolistic practices as bad if not worse than Microsofts own past tactics that has gotten them into so much trouble also!!!! Of course some of the naysayers aren't going to agree with my statement but I know these things have been going on long before the Athlon proscessors were ever released and yet these kinds of business practices are ok in some eyes?
 
Well I hate to agree with anyone LOL But I to have been building all my friends and my own machines using AMD proscessors due to Intels business practices for the last several years. I think it is not free enterprise and that Intel has used strong arm tactics and coercion whenever possible to maintain their own profitability and market share! This is illegal and smacks of monopolistic practices as bad if not worse than Microsofts own past tactics that has gotten them into so much trouble also!!!! Of course some of the naysayers aren't going to agree with my statement but I know these things have been going on long before the Athlon proscessors were ever released and yet these kinds of business practices are ok in some eyes?
I don't disagree with you here, but Intel is no better than MS or any other corporate giant in any other industry. Look at the petroleum industry as just one example. Dirty tactics seem to be the norm, not the exception. I am not advocating any such practices, but be honest, do you really believe we as consumers can possibly make a difference in a world where multinational corporations actually tell governments what to do?? It seems futile to me.
 
I don't disagree with you here, but Intel is no better than MS or any other corporate giant in any other industry. Look at the petroleum industry as just one example. Dirty tactics seem to be the norm, not the exception. I am not advocating any such practices, but be honest, do you really believe we as consumers can possibly make a difference in a world where multinational corporations actually tell governments what to do?? It seems futile to me.
One could probably argue that the dedicated (and in some cases almost fanatical) loyalty to AMD due to Intel's actions helped keep that company alive. I'd consider that making a difference. You might not change the entire industry...but you might keep other options there for those who share your ideals.
 
I don't disagree with you here, but Intel is no better than MS or any other corporate giant in any other industry. Look at the petroleum industry as just one example. Dirty tactics seem to be the norm, not the exception. I am not advocating any such practices, but be honest, do you really believe we as consumers can possibly make a difference in a world where multinational corporations actually tell governments what to do?? It seems futile to me.

Exactly, but you can't just accept this corporate run society. Don't we live in a democratic nation? You're not only a 'consumer', a term some find degrading, but also a citizen.
 
Guys,

I have been _really_ hoping to upgrade my fileserver/vmware server to quad core to do some serious vm'ing. If the TLB bug REALLY shows up under vmware, is this an absolutely bad choice?

I'm looking to run at least 4-20 (linux/freebsd/openbsd, no windows) vm's to simulate a lan without the space/power layout. I am closely looking at the xeon 3210 or q6600 but would not like to re-buy a workstation/server class motherboard (pci-x + pci-e), as AFAIK the 775 pci-x motherboards are $$$$$. However, I would be content to leave the be-2350 as an iscsi/nfs/ftp server for a second Q6600/Xeon box if that is the better choice. The absolutely most important thing for me is 100% STABILITY (absolutely no overclocking, as I have enough hardware/problem/bios bugs to deal with without introducing more possible instability).
 
Exactly, but you can't just accept this corporate run society. Don't we live in a democratic nation? You're not only a 'consumer', a term some find degrading, but also a citizen.

We live in a republic :)
 
I don't disagree with you here, but Intel is no better than MS or any other corporate giant in any other industry. Look at the petroleum industry as just one example. Dirty tactics seem to be the norm, not the exception. I am not advocating any such practices, but be honest, do you really believe we as consumers can possibly make a difference in a world where multinational corporations actually tell governments what to do?? It seems futile to me.

Agreed. It is a cut throat business world and AMD is on thier own to either tread water or sink. There is nothing we can really do for them.

As long as they get the best bang for buck/best processor/best video card/etc.etc.

Agreed. I don't care what they do as long as they deliver the goods. Maybe I'm just desensitized to the world around me, but if you care vote with your wallet.

One could probably argue that the dedicated (and in some cases almost fanatical) loyalty to AMD due to Intel's actions helped keep that company alive. I'd consider that making a difference. You might not change the entire industry...but you might keep other options there for those who share your ideals.

I don't really think it makes that much of a difference. Sure if no one bought their products they'd die in a single product cycle or two. However I don't think it makes the difference you think it makes. AMD hasn't turned a profit for most of the time I've been working in this industry. (10 years plus.)

Exactly, but you can't just accept this corporate run society. Don't we live in a democratic nation? You're not only a 'consumer', a term some find degrading, but also a citizen.

We live in a representative republic. And yes, we can accept corporate run society. Either accept that or go live in a communist country. Those are really your only two choices.

Guys,

I have been _really_ hoping to upgrade my fileserver/vmware server to quad core to do some serious vm'ing. If the TLB bug REALLY shows up under vmware, is this an absolutely bad choice?

Yes, it is a horrible choice. If you want to use VMWare I would suggest against the Phenom processor and go with anything else. Besides the Intel Core 2 Duo and Quad's perform better anyway, are reasonably priced, and don't have stability issues with VMWare.
 
Well what the hell, while we're at it, let's all go buy some blood diamonds; after all, they most certainly are the best bang for the buck. Apparantley, the means to the end is irrelevant. There are hundreds of similar analogies that one could use to compare Intel's prior/current actions. I guess the focus needs to shift to whether or not Intel should continue to be rewarded for it's practices. I can't believe anyone would condone these illegal actions, as has been proven so in a number of countries. It seems the good ol' USA is it's last strong hold.

This argument of buying whatever is best for me right now is so short sighted and painful to read, and wreaks of marketing, to be honest. Yeah, let's all condone illegal activity to get what we want. Unbelievable.:rolleyes:
 
Well what the hell, while we're at it, let's all go buy some blood diamonds; after all, they most certainly are the best bang for the buck. Apparantley, the means to the end is irrelevant. There are hundreds of similar analogies that one could use to compare Intel's prior/current actions. I guess the focus needs to shift to whether or not Intel should continue to be rewarded for it's practices. I can't believe anyone would condone these illegal actions, as has been proven so in a number of countries. It seems the good ol' USA is it's last strong hold.

This argument of buying whatever is best for me right now is so short sighted and painful to read, and wreaks of marketing, to be honest. Yeah, let's all condone illegal activity to get what we want. Unbelievable.:rolleyes:

Intel hasn't been proven to be guilty of breaking any laws in this country. I do not care what other countries courts think. Only this countries laws are of significant concern to me. Innocent until proven guilty? Have you heard of it? Until a judge rules against Intel I am not going to bother worrying about what they may or may not be guilty of. I don't have all the facts, and certainly don't have enough of the facts to be dissatisfied with Intel's business practices to the point of boycotting them. (Which BTW wouldn't even be enough to change anything anyway.) Most companies probably do things that someone out there could always find immoral or wrong in some fashion. I think whining about Intel's business practices is often used as justification for AMD fanaticism. You can just as easily insert any other companies names and justify fanaticism for either of them in the same manner.

I also think that people need to get off thier high horses. The fact of the matter is 90% or more of you don't bother checking into the legal practices of every company or business you purchase goods from. You have no idea what the effect the production of those goods has on the rest of the world, and you don't even care enough to find out. The only reason why anyone is bitching about Intel is because they happen to be in the lime light at present and every one wants to make AMD into some kind of martyr or victim. Do any of you drive GM vehicles? Do some of you that do find pornography objectionable? If you do you are a fucking hypocryte as GM used to have a large stake in the porno industry. The truth is most of you probably don't know that much about most of the companies you buy from. You know; what many of you might be thinking of as a strong arm tactic might be nothing more than official and totally legal exclusive supply agreements. Many companies pay for the exclusive use of their parts in a specific product line. Even if they are strong arming companies like many people in this thread claim, the only time Intel really ever needed to do that was during the Athlon 64 days when Intel couldn't match AMD's parts in a number of areas. Past that it would have been rarely if ever needed. Something tells me that Intel is being turned into the bad guys because everyone seems to have something against large corporations. Somehow being large automatically makes you evil. :rolleyes:

Now, I don't know if Intel is truly innocent or guilty and as I have said, I don't really care. My guess is that they are somewhere in between being rosey, and being the monster everyone makes them out to be. That leaves a lot of middle ground. I'd also be willing to bet every company we deal with personally and professionally is also somewhere in between. Including AMD.
 
Well what the hell, while we're at it, let's all go buy some blood diamonds; after all, they most certainly are the best bang for the buck. Apparantley, the means to the end is irrelevant. There are hundreds of similar analogies that one could use to compare Intel's prior/current actions. I guess the focus needs to shift to whether or not Intel should continue to be rewarded for it's practices. I can't believe anyone would condone these illegal actions, as has been proven so in a number of countries. It seems the good ol' USA is it's last strong hold.

This argument of buying whatever is best for me right now is so short sighted and painful to read, and wreaks of marketing, to be honest. Yeah, let's all condone illegal activity to get what we want. Unbelievable.:rolleyes:
There are not many situations I can think of off hand where the consumer can make a significant dent in an industry by boycotting goods. One which comes foremost in my mind is with the sale of items manufactured from endangered species. In this case the goods circulating are in relatively small enough number that a boycott can truly make a difference, and where the return far exceeds the effort involved.

Another situation where the effort is justifiable is the boycott of goods from specific countries, such as China, that routinely and blatantly export products that are not only illegal for whatever reasons in the course of their manufacture, but are also dangerous to consumers and/or the environment. Do you really believe boycotting a few thousand processors (if even that many) can actually make a dent in a corporation that sells tens of millions of products annually? Seriously.
 
I like Intels Products and if I could stand the company I might buy more. But with personal dealings I have had with them over the years, I perfer to buy AMDs products even if they they dont perform as well as Intels. Its one of those vote with your money things


I can understand that,but for me its an all or nothing kind of thing.Intel hasnt been convicted in court in my country to my satisfaction.

Wether thats a court of public opinion or a court of law.


That is not wise imo, what if said company was involved in highly illegal and/or very destructive on the environment; example being involved in supporting terrorism directly financing it, supporting slave trading, etc.. Now of course Intel does not do this, nor am I claiming they are, I am just saying that it is important to know where your money is going and what it is being used for.

Why I buy AMD 99% of the time and recommend them to people, because of how Intel operates for which I do not agree with.


AMD I am sure polutes directly or indirectly as much or more then Intel does per capita.


I don't disagree with you here, but Intel is no better than MS or any other corporate giant in any other industry. Look at the petroleum industry as just one example. Dirty tactics seem to be the norm, not the exception. I am not advocating any such practices, but be honest, do you really believe we as consumers can possibly make a difference in a world where multinational corporations actually tell governments what to do?? It seems futile to me.


True,which is one of the many reasons I think democracy is a fantasy at best.


Intel hasn't been proven to be guilty of breaking any laws in this country. I do not care what other countries courts think. Only this countries laws are of significant concern to me. Innocent until proven guilty? Have you heard of it? Until a judge rules against Intel I am not going to bother worrying about what they may or may not be guilty of. I don't have all the facts, and certainly don't have enough of the facts to be dissatisfied with Intel's business practices to the point of boycotting them. (Which BTW wouldn't even be enough to change anything anyway.) Most companies probably do things that someone out there could always find immoral or wrong in some fashion. I think whining about Intel's business practices is often used as justification for AMD fanaticism. You can just as easily insert any other companies names and justify fanaticism for either of them in the same manner.

I also think that people need to get off thier high horses. The fact of the matter is 90% or more of you don't bother checking into the legal practices of every company or business you purchase goods from. You have no idea what the effect the production of those goods has on the rest of the world, and you don't even care enough to find out. The only reason why anyone is bitching about Intel is because they happen to be in the lime light at present and every one wants to make AMD into some kind of martyr or victim. Do any of you drive GM vehicles? Do some of you that do find pornography objectionable? If you do you are a fucking hypocryte as GM used to have a large stake in the porno industry. The truth is most of you probably don't know that much about most of the companies you buy from. You know; what many of you might be thinking of as a strong arm tactic might be nothing more than official and totally legal exclusive supply agreements. Many companies pay for the exclusive use of their parts in a specific product line. Even if they are strong arming companies like many people in this thread claim, the only time Intel really ever needed to do that was during the Athlon 64 days when Intel couldn't match AMD's parts in a number of areas. Past that it would have been rarely if ever needed. Something tells me that Intel is being turned into the bad guys because everyone seems to have something against large corporations. Somehow being large automatically makes you evil. :rolleyes:

Now, I don't know if Intel is truly innocent or guilty and as I have said, I don't really care. My guess is that they are somewhere in between being rosey, and being the monster everyone makes them out to be. That leaves a lot of middle ground. I'd also be willing to bet every company we deal with personally and professionally is also somewhere in between. Including AMD.


Great post,I am 99% agreed with the above. :)
 
Dan, you seem to be arguing as passionately for Intel as I am against them. I don't find your justification of Intel's practices at all realistic. You seem to want your cake and eat it too. You argue for competition and best value in the market place, yet won't hold a company accountable, which has been found guilty of anti-competitive behaviour. The country/ IES in which it has been found guilty should be irrelevant!. This is where common sense and your own judgements come into play. There is report after report of Intel's strong-arming tactics, kick-backs, etc. And i'm talking about first hand reports by employees and others, on the front line. How anyone could turn a blind eye to this and defend these sort of actions is beyond me. Each to their own. I adamantly choose not to support these kinds of tactics for the sake of competition, not to protest against large coorporations, or anything other that what I explicitly stated.

I don't really care who buys what, to tell you the truth. All I know for sure, is I will never buy an Intel product, and will only recommend AMD products (what they do with that recommendation is their business, but I feel obligated to put the facts on the table) until they are held accountable for stifling competition and insulting me as a consumer, in the proccess.

Also, and not pointing any fingers here at anyone, but this PR blitz is sooo akin to NV's viral marketing scheme. It's on every forum around the net, that has any sort of traffic to seem to warrant the resources. Blatantly obvious in my opinion. Let me just state, that I don't claim there is anything illegal about that, just curious about what others think.
 
Dan, you seem to be arguing as passionately for Intel as I am against them. I don't find your justification of Intel's practices at all realistic. You seem to want your cake and eat it too. You argue for competition and best value in the market place, yet won't hold a company accountable, which has been found guilty of anti-competitive behaviour. The country/ IES in which it has been found guilty should be irrelevant!. This is where common sense and your own judgements come into play. There is report after report of Intel's strong-arming tactics, kick-backs, etc. And i'm talking about first hand reports by employees and others, on the front line. How anyone could turn a blind eye to this and defend these sort of actions is beyond me. Each to their own. I adamantly choose not to support these kinds of tactics for the sake of competition, not to protest against large coorporations, or anything other that what I explicitly stated.

I don't really care who buys what, to tell you the truth. All I know for sure, is I will never buy an Intel product, and will only recommend AMD products (what they do with that recommendation is their business, but I feel obligated to put the facts on the table) until they are held accountable for stifling competition and insulting me as a consumer, in the proccess.

Also, and not pointing any fingers here at anyone, but this PR blitz is sooo akin to NV's viral marketing scheme. It's on every forum around the net, that has any sort of traffic to seem to warrant the resources. Blatantly obvious in my opinion. Let me just state, that I don't claim there is anything illegal about that, just curious about what others think.

I'm not arguing for Intel. I'm just saying that boycotting companies for their behavior is a waste of time. No company is likely to be innocent of wrong doings here or there. If you are going to go on a moral crusade against any one company you should probably start looking into all the companies you bought products from or buy products from on a regular basis and evaluate those companies to see if they meet your moral criteria. I'd be willing to bet that more than half of them will fall short of your moral standards.

I just don't care enough about any company's behavior to deny myself the best products on the market. I know that most companies do shit I don't agree with and I've just decided it isn't worth getting worked up about. Every one picks and chooses what they find morally objectionable and to what point that moral objection bothers them. For example most people will agree that oil companies are evil as all hell and they are damaging the enviroment. When it makes better business sense to pay fines for dumping crap in the ocean than it does to dispose of the chemicals properly, yet choose the former, obviously they are morally bankrupt. However we all (or most of us) all purchase gasoline on a weekly basis or however often we need to. Some people choose to buy hybrids even though they are hideous and perform like shit because they think that they are making a positive difference in the world by doing so.

Sometimes you are damned if you do and damned if you don't. You can buy a hybrid and feel as good as you want about using less fuel and having fewer emissions than conventional vehicles. The truth is you are still damned because the lead batteries in the vehicles hurt the environment whenever they are disposed of. Personally I hate oil companies but until they bring out hybrid vehicles or alternative fuel vehicles that don't suck I'll keep driving my inefficient V8 trucks SUV's, and performance cars. I care, but not that much. In the same way I care about what Intel might be doing wrong, but I don't care enough to deny myself anything over it.

When Intel is offering the better performing products I'll buy those. If AMD takes the performance crown they'll win my dollars. If another company comes a long and kicks both of their asses I'll be fine with that too.
 
I can understand that,but for me its an all or nothing kind of thing.Intel hasnt been convicted in court in my country to my satisfaction.

Wether thats a court of public opinion or a court of law.

I could gave two flips about their marketing and sales tactics, for me it is Intel's Management culture, which is becoming more prevelent in most semi conductor companies unforntutly. They way that Intel managment treats employees, vendors and contractors is what puts me off on their products, simple as that.

I will continue to support AMD and ATI, whether or not they are best perfroming, and the 9600 BE while not as good as the q6600 is still a very capapable chip.
 
I could gave two flips about their marketing and sales tactics, for me it is Intel's Management culture, which is becoming more prevelent in most semi conductor companies unforntutly. They way that Intel managment treats employees, vendors and contractors is what puts me off on their products, simple as that.

I will continue to support AMD and ATI, whether or not they are best perfroming, and the 9600 BE while not as good as the q6600 is still a very capapable chip.



The bolded part is the only thing I agree with.I bought one,and cant wait to play around with it. :D
 
When Intel is offering the better performing products I'll buy those. If AMD takes the performance crown they'll win my dollars. If another company comes a long and kicks both of their asses I'll be fine with that too.


The bolded part is basically my whole point in the matter. AMD has been supressed by a MUCH larger company, and it is extremely difficult to function under such a limited capacity. Sure they managed a product that outperformed Intel's products for a number of years, but how can any company be expected to compete year after year under these kinds of conditions? I mean, a person can argue until their blue in the face that the best product get's the money, by my God how can there be any competition at all with these very obvious kinds of tactics. As far as i'm concerned, this should be more than just a black and white, cut and dry decision. I would be the first to admit, that all things being equal, and AMD can't compete on a level playing field and are forced out, that this is capitalizm working correctly. However that is clearly not the case, and we have not seen AMD able to compete in such a market to this day. They clearly should have been more successful during their K8 days. Sure, enthusiasts bought AMD64 like no tommorrow, but I think we'd agree that OEM and SB's are where the money is at, and they would have had more luck shampooing a porcupine. Obviously not everyone agrees with this thinking, but that's ok too.

Despite that though, and against extremely low odds, I believe they will prevail. I wonder where technology would be today if there had been a level playing field for all those years.
 
At first I was saying Goodbye AMD hello Intell. I have yet to do my upgrade and I am thinking that maybe the Phenom may be the way to go for me, a Black Box 9600 most likely even though I dont consider myself an overclocker, I have never had much luck with overclocking I am just to impatient to make all the fine adjustments needed, but I have done it when it was a simple matter of upping the multiplier and had some luck, also I am a cheap ass and you got to have really good memory for FSB overclocking.
 
The bolded part is basically my whole point in the matter. AMD has been supressed by a MUCH larger company, and it is extremely difficult to function under such a limited capacity. Sure they managed a product that outperformed Intel's products for a number of years, but how can any company be expected to compete year after year under these kinds of conditions? I mean, a person can argue until their blue in the face that the best product get's the money, by my God how can there be any competition at all with these very obvious kinds of tactics. As far as i'm concerned, this should be more than just a black and white, cut and dry decision. I would be the first to admit, that all things being equal, and AMD can't compete on a level playing field and are forced out, that this is capitalizm working correctly. However that is clearly not the case, and we have not seen AMD able to compete in such a market to this day. They clearly should have been more successful during their K8 days. Sure, enthusiasts bought AMD64 like no tommorrow, but I think we'd agree that OEM and SB's are where the money is at, and they would have had more luck shampooing a porcupine. Obviously not everyone agrees with this thinking, but that's ok too.

Despite that though, and against extremely low odds, I believe they will prevail. I wonder where technology would be today if there had been a level playing field for all those years.

This is exactly what I think as well.
 
It seems like a lot of bending over backwards to try to add polish to this turd.

Special unlocked overclock edition and if the picture is correct, water cooling. That gets 3.0 GHz? Yipee!

I bet most Q6600 will hit 3.0 GHz with the stock cooler and it is faster clock to clock. Water coolers are getting closer to 4.0 GHz with the Intel quads.
 
It seems like a lot of bending over backwards to try to add polish to this turd.

Special unlocked overclock edition and if the picture is correct, water cooling. That gets 3.0 GHz? Yipee!

I bet most Q6600 will hit 3.0 GHz with the stock cooler and it is faster clock to clock. Water coolers are getting closer to 4.0 GHz with the Intel quads.

Thats nice.
 
There is absolutely no problem with buying a product based on its perceived value. But people should be aware of some of Intel's past behaviors, as outlined in the full complaint filed by AMD in Delaware. I encourage everyone to read it in its entirety (particularly page 15-41), as the below is just a small fraction of what's in the complaint:

http://www.amd.com/us-en/assets/content_type/DownloadableAssets/AMD-Intel_Full_Complaint.pdf

http://electronicdesign.com/Articles/ArticleID/17458/17458.html

Duby, is that you? ;)

I wonder if it is ? Surely he wasnt permabanned,although if he was,I am sure he has re joined by now.Of course evading a ban is a even worse thing to do.
 
What I am curious to know....

Will this work with my asus m2n32 sli delux? Will it work with vista 32 or 64? The only versions I can find for download are XP/7xx chipset only.

Is there a way to supress the TLB "fix" otherwise?

The nvida tool, while not perhaps as spiffy is still certainly nice I would be happy to use it.

Thanks

(my first post here)
 
Is there a way to supress the TLB "fix" otherwise?
Welcome to the [H] forums. I'm not entirely certain what you mean by suppressing the fix, but I believe it's a BIOS setting. I could be wrong so I'll see what others who actually had practical Phenom experience reply, but I don't think the fix is enabled by default. I believe Manny has had practical experience with a few systems already.
 
What I am curious to know....

Will this work with my asus m2n32 sli delux? Will it work with vista 32 or 64? The only versions I can find for download are XP/7xx chipset only.

Is there a way to supress the TLB "fix" otherwise?

The nvida tool, while not perhaps as spiffy is still certainly nice I would be happy to use it.

Thanks

(my first post here)

http://forum.ncix.com/forums/index....id=1503858&pagenumber=1&msgcount=27&subpage=1

You seem to be in luck. :)

BIOS 1503 and up will do,it would seem.

Welcome to the [H] forums. I'm not entirely certain what you mean by suppressing the fix, but I believe it's a BIOS setting. I could be wrong so I'll see what others who actually had practical Phenom experience reply, but I don't think the fix is enabled by default. I believe Manny has had practical experience with a few systems already.


Using the latest versions of AOD (which will work with Vista X64 with driver signing turned off),you can disable the TLB 'fix' I have built three Phenom systems for friends,but none using his mobo.All used new 790FX motherboards.AMD has told mobo partners such as Asus,etc,to force the fix on.Only the AOD soft can get around this currently.Well,that and theoretically runniing an older board without the fix in the bios.
 
...Using the latest versions of AOD (which will work with Vista X64 with driver signing turned off),you can disable the TLB 'fix' I have built three Phenom systems for friends,but none using his mobo.All used new 790FX motherboards.AMD has told mobo partners such as Asus,etc,to force the fix on.Only the AOD soft can get around this currently.Well,that and theoretically runniing an older board without the fix in the bios.

Not true Manny: Gigabyte's BIOS F3 includes the ON/OFF toggle in the BIOS. Just go in and set it as you please, though it does default to TLB Patch Enabled. I leave it off and have had no problems. Also, AOD 2.0.14Beta (available from TechpowerUp!) runs in Vista64 without disabling driver signing.
 
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