Greenpeace Criticizes Microsoft, Nintendo

Not only did Greenpeace add Nintendo and Microsoft to its list of companies that have poor environmental policies, Nintendo became the first company to ever score a zero out of ten. Yikes.

Adding the four companies to its quarterly environmental rankings, Greenpeace listed all the newcomers at the bottom of the list of 18, with Nintendo becoming the first company to score zero out of a possible 10 points.

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Greenpeace can go hug a tree. They won't be happy until we all walk to work and live in wood huts. Crap can't be wood huts because then we'd be cutting trees down.

Your Wii needs to be greener.

If you read Greenpeace's website the reason Nintendo got a zero is because they do not publish their policies on their internet site. Greenpeace did not actually do any research besides looking at a few Faqs and checking out websites. This just proves how worthless a bunch of smelly hippies are. If they really wanted to rattle some cages they would try some actual investigative reporting.

Greenpeace is a joke. What the hell has this organization ever done besides piss people off and slow down progress? A bunch of worthless hippies.

Sadly, Nintendo will likely respond by posting their environmental policies on their website. Not that it's a bad idea, but doing it in response to this asinine report will only lend credibility to Greenpeace.

And I give Greenpeace a zero out of ten, because they used the Internet, electricity, and computers to check for this information instead of paddling a canoe across the sodding Pacific to check in person.

does anyone actually listen to Greenpeace? I thought that if we ignore all of the crazy nutjobs, then they'd go away...

And this is the problem with the enviro/green movement. It's about using guilt manipulation, shame tactics, and downright immoral and unethical practices to force people to comply in a compulsory way with their agenda of rabid militant environmentalism. Environmentalism has become a vicious method by which these groups can now enforce their twisted and perverted view of the world and life in general that seeks to ultimately diminish and remove as much of humanity and it's influence on Gaia. That is their ultimate goal and enough of them have said as much that I believe them.

Klintor said:

does anyone actually listen to Greenpeace? I thought that if we ignore all of the crazy nutjobs, then they'd go away...

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Would you ignore a rabid dog hunting you down? The more you ignore them, the more they are allowed to operate against you and get away with it. These groups must be confronted. They are dangerous and they operate with impunity.

Methadras said:

Would you ignore a rabid dog hunting you down? The more you ignore them, the more they are allowed to operate against you and get away with it. These groups must be confronted. They are dangerous and they operate with impunity.

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Anyone care to find the youtube video of that tanker dropping an anchor on a greenpeace boat? That was classic.

Or green peace boating through a protected forest / lake in a gas guzzling motor boat? that was funny

Greenpeace can paddle there happy ass back to lala land, and jump off a large cliff


fucking hippies.. nothing good comes from smelling like a bucket of shit, and looking like one to

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q3idQKi5EqM

Eco chopper.

A score of 0 out of 10? I'm definitely gong to buy a Wii now. I haven't owned a console since the Super Nintendo. However, with Greenpeace giving this kind of recommendation, I don't see a way I can ignore Nintendo any longer.

Actually, I plan on buying a Wii eventually anyway but this wasn't exactly a tongue in cheek reply. Anyone Greenpeace gives such a low score to definitely going to have to be close to the top of my buying list.

If Greenpeace was an actual environmental movement, it would be nothing but a bunch of hypocritical morons. However, they aren't an actual environmental movement so they are just a bunch of douchebags instead.

Google provides

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=whHQaTYGAjg&feature=related

That guy falling off.

Greenpeace sucks my ass.

I have too much hate twords greenpeace and PETA to be explained in words, but it is hilarious reading and listening to them defend themselves

I remember the local news awhile back, talking about some Greenpeace guys protesting some political leaders' use of gas guzzling cars or something to that effect. But it got silenced quickly when the reporter was wondering why one of the bigger names of the greenpeace crew was driving around in one of the worst fuel economic vehicles of the year it was made, and didn't even have the gall to carpool. Naturally, said person had no comment/wasn't available for comment.

OWNED.

I agree greenpeace and peta are horrible "environmental" organizations, however you guys seem to not care about the environment at all? If someone cares about the environment that makes them a tree hugging hippy?

sabrewolf732 said:

I agree greenpeace and peta are horrible "environmental" organizations, however you guys seem to not care about the environment at all? If someone cares about the environment that makes them a tree hugging hippy?

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Caring about the environment is a nice sentiment. However, the environment really doesn't care about you at all. It might be a good feeling to think you are doing something great for mother earth, but she's been around a lot longer than we have and the ecosystem does know how to take care of itself. I live in my environment, I take care of where I live, therefore I'm taking care of my environment. These organizations want to mandate to you through the power of government intrusion how you should care for the environment. They want to mandate the types of appliances you buy, how much energy they will be allowed to consume, what sorts of light bulbs are now acceptable, taxing you to the point that they want to get you out of your evil car and into their transit systems. They want to compel you to their insane way of thinking about how the earth is really a living organism that has feelings and is that really what taking care of the environment means to you?

The best way you can take care of the environment is to take care of yourself and your own space and mind your own business with how people deal with theirs.

sabrewolf732 said:

I agree greenpeace and peta are horrible "environmental" organizations, however you guys seem to not care about the environment at all? If someone cares about the environment that makes them a tree hugging hippy?

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Of course you can care about the environment. I think we should be good stewards of the land. However, it's important to find a good balance between being "clean" and making progress. Greenpeace and other groups take things to the limit and beyond sometimes, hence the tree hugger tag.

Greetings:

I live in the epicenter of Greenpeace type organizations, Portland, Oregon.

I know how these individuals think.

An example of the sheer stupidity of the average Hippie, Greenpeace or Peta retard.

Hippies like to read books. It's asinine because if you wanted to save a tree you would want everything digitized on silicon germanium. That way no tree has to die for some antiquated style of data correspondence to be printed.

Yet... they fight technology - unless of coarse it's an iPod or vaporizer... then it's OK!

These idiots are so stoned and are so pissed off at the world because marijuana is illegal, and women shave their legs and armpits, that they want to fight "The Man" and go "Back to Nature". As far as I know there is plenty of uncharted land in Canada, alas hippies are too lazy to go stake a claim and shut their filthy, hippie pie hole.

This is indicative of how their sloppy research into companies presents itself in the most twisted, contrived sack of lies and bullshit one would have to be a fool to buy into.

Hippies would love nothing better than to have kids eating granola and playing hackie-sac rather than evolve as a species into the next level of advancements.

Even when a company like Nintendo meets these morons half-way with the Wii, a game system that benefits your game play if you stand up and are active, the haze of dope smoke and dreadlocks clouds the vision that Nintendo is making a valiant effort into integrating activity with video game play. They have been since the beginning. The Japanese are very big on health and the environment.

The other day I thought of a great oxymoron, a useful hippie.

Hippies suck. Greenpeace sucks. Peta sucks.

Everyone knows it, including themselves and that pisses them off even more.

Self hating, self medicating dope smoking losers that refuse to contribute anything worth a damn to society other than forcing their ideals on the free world.

They should be imprisoned as traitors and communists... or just ignored - why waste the tax dollars.

Of course, this is just my opinion based upon facts I have observed in what the staff of former President Bush nicknamed Portland, "Little Beirut".

I take it hippies really piss you off?

LOL @ the hippie rage.

Greenpeace is not an environmental activist. They are a PR engine. It is as simple as that.

As to those who chafe at "the government" forcing things. Well, that's what the government is for.

At the other end of the smelly hippie spectrum is the conservative business guys who always say that any regulation will kill them and make babies go hungry. Of course once regulation is passed they miraculously find a way to comply. Seat belts in every car! It can never work! 5mph bumpers? Impossible! Lower carbon emissions? Also impossible. Tier-2 Bin 5 diesel compliance? Also unthinkable. Until they do it.

Regulations are often required as a forcing factor. Without them your car would be a death trap, and our rivers would flow with PCBs and mercury. We would all live in Love Canal. Except those of us with money, we would live somewhere clean and not care about the little people.

I personally love it that here in the US we can have industry, and still have regulations that try to keep the air, water and land clean. China and India can keeps their cesspits of pollution, they'll pay for it later. Here our smelly hippies counter the irrational industrial doomsayers and those of us in the middle can enjoy the happy balance that results.

I have faith that our technology will allow us to maintain our standard of living in a sustainable manner. I also believe that those who think that the earth will just take care of itself need to really ponder that statement. The last time the planet did an environmental ctrl-alt-del not many critters survived. When the polar ice caps melt all the way and the thermohaline current stops you'll be wishing you'd done something about it.

Fuzzy Logik said:

Greetings:

blah blah blah..

Yet... they fight technology - unless of coarse it's an iPod or vaporizer... then it's OK!

blah blah blah..

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Actually Greenpeace sued Apple for the iPod/iPhone earbud chemical last month, remember?

Azhar said:

Actually Greenpeace sued Apple for the iPod/iPhone earbud chemical last month, remember?

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That's right and I debunked their moronic lies in that thread as well. They are idiots.

ianken said:

LOL @ the hippie rage.

Greenpeace is not an environmental activist. They are a PR engine. It is as simple as that.

As to those who chafe at "the government" forcing things. Well, that's what the government is for.

At the other end of the smelly hippie spectrum is the conservative business guys who always say that any regulation will kill them and make babies go hungry. Of course once regulation is passed they miraculously find a way to comply. Seat belts in every car! It can never work! 5mph bumpers? Impossible! Lower carbon emissions? Also impossible. Tier-2 Bin 5 diesel compliance? Also unthinkable. Until they do it.

Regulations are often required as a forcing factor. Without them your car would be a death trap, and our rivers would flow with PCBs and mercury. We would all live in Love Canal. Except those of us with money, we would live somewhere clean and not care about the little people.

I personally love it that here in the US we can have industry, and still have regulations that try to keep the air, water and land clean. China and India can keeps their cesspits of pollution, they'll pay for it later. Here our smelly hippies counter the irrational industrial doomsayers and those of us in the middle can enjoy the happy balance that results.

I have faith that our technology will allow us to maintain our standard of living in a sustainable manner. I also believe that those who think that the earth will just take care of itself need to really ponder that statement. The last time the planet did an environmental ctrl-alt-del not many critters survived. When the polar ice caps melt all the way and the thermohaline current stops you'll be wishing you'd done something about it.

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QFT

Methadras said:

They want to mandate the types of appliances you buy, how much energy they will be allowed to consume, what sorts of light bulbs are now acceptable, taxing you to the point that they want to get you out of your evil car and into their transit systems. They want to compel you to their insane way of thinking about how the earth is really a living organism that has feelings and is that really what taking care of the environment means to you?

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The thing is, buying energy efficient appliances and lighting will save you more money in the end and makes your life easier. The goverment also gives tax credits for being energy efficient too. As ianken said, the crazy left wingers and the "I am rich so I get the best of everything no matter what" right wingers balance out and make things better for the average person.

sabrewolf732 said:

I agree greenpeace and peta are horrible "environmental" organizations, however you guys seem to not care about the environment at all? If someone cares about the environment that makes them a tree hugging hippy?

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I think the whole environmental man made global warming movement is a huge scam/sham. I think a lot of people are very critical of anyone associated with that movement (and should be).

EliteFantasy said:

The thing is, buying energy efficient appliances and lighting will save you more money in the end and makes your life easier.

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And what do you do if you have a perfectly good working appliance that isn't energy star rated and you don't want to spend the hundreds if not thousands of dollars in the initial outlay to get one, so then you can start "saving" more money in the end. How long will it take to get the payback on said appliances as well. Most people do not think that is economically feasible.

The goverment also gives tax credits for being energy efficient too.

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So. Considering the retail cost of energy star compliance appliances, most people will only look at the tax credit as a sale price against appliance they purchase. If you want, I can provide you with examples of the actual cost of many appliances, cars, HVAC systems, etc. etc that you get a tax credit for and you can see that overall cost vs. tax credit gained is noteworthy, but hardly a motivation.

As ianken said, the crazy left wingers and the "I am rich so I get the best of everything no matter what" right wingers balance out and make things better for the average person.

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That's just a lame and specious argument to make on it's very face. Most of the crazy lefties are the ones that push for government intervention and intrusion into the lives of ordinary Americans without their consent solely based on their feelings based ideology. It costs people real money to adhere to these fools ideas and notions of nature and the environment and how they think they can save it. Money that a lot of people don't have. Notices the debt/credit problem happening lately? People have other things to contend with than some rat-faced do-nothing that preaches about how we are killing mommy earth while he enjoys the granola he/she eats that was manufactured at a processing plant that consumed more energy to make it than he even understands. Hell, even Kashi commercials are funnier than that.

And most right wingers are as common and average everyday people that have to content with the lefties ideas of how they should live while the right wingers are out trying to make an honest buck while, lefty fruitcake over here is protesting, sloganeering, holding a sign, and looks like yesterdays cat crap about how we are destroying the earth with how we live. While they ignore the real damage being done in Canada, Mexico, South America, Africa, China, and India.

It's a scam, all of it. It's a sham that is being foisted on the public at the expense of my pocket book. It's none of your business how I live and it's none of your business what I consume and how I consume it.

RoBo said:

Google provides

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=whHQaTYGAjg&feature=related

That guy falling off.

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LOL thanks for the laugh!

Methadras said:

And what do you do if you have a perfectly good working appliance that isn't energy star rated and you don't want to spend the hundreds if not thousands of dollars in the initial outlay to get one, so then you can start "saving" more money in the end. How long will it take to get the payback on said appliances as well. Most people do not think that is economically feasible.



So. Considering the retail cost of energy star compliance appliances, most people will only look at the tax credit as a sale price against appliance they purchase. If you want, I can provide you with examples of the actual cost of many appliances, cars, HVAC systems, etc. etc that you get a tax credit for and you can see that overall cost vs. tax credit gained is noteworthy, but hardly a motivation.




That's just a lame and specious argument to make on it's very face. Most of the crazy lefties are the ones that push for government intervention and intrusion into the lives of ordinary Americans without their consent solely based on their feelings based ideology. It costs people real money to adhere to these fools ideas and notions of nature and the environment and how they think they can save it. Money that a lot of people don't have. Notices the debt/credit problem happening lately? People have other things to contend with than some rat-faced do-nothing that preaches about how we are killing mommy earth while he enjoys the granola he/she eats that was manufactured at a processing plant that consumed more energy to make it than he even understands. Hell, even Kashi commercials are funnier than that.

And most right wingers are as common and average everyday people that have to content with the lefties ideas of how they should live while the right wingers are out trying to make an honest buck while, lefty fruitcake over here is protesting, sloganeering, holding a sign, and looks like yesterdays cat crap about how we are destroying the earth with how we live. While they ignore the real damage being done in Canada, Mexico, South America, Africa, China, and India.

It's a scam, all of it. It's a sham that is being foisted on the public at the expense of my pocket book. It's none of your business how I live and it's none of your business what I consume and how I consume it.

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Amen brother...+1

Methadras said:

And what do you do if you have a perfectly good working appliance that isn't energy star rated and you don't want to spend the hundreds if not thousands of dollars in the initial outlay to get one, so then you can start "saving" more money in the end. How long will it take to get the payback on said appliances as well. Most people do not think that is economically feasible.

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I never said everyone should trade in for high efficiency appliances right now. If a person is in the market for a new appliance, it is worth doing the math. Most appliances will pay for themselves within a few years, which is great considering people keep washer and dryers, HVAC systems, dishwashers, refrigerators, and etc. for many years after they pay for themselves. Just because you THINK it is not economically feasible doesn't mean that it isn't. Heck, a 4 pack of CFL bulbs that cost $20 will save roughly $160 over the lifetime of the bulbs (depending on electricity cost) and will last 10 times longer than the 99cent incandescents. Even though the upfront cost is higher, you save a lot of money in the long run.

So. Considering the retail cost of energy star compliance appliances, most people will only look at the tax credit as a sale price against appliance they purchase. If you want, I can provide you with examples of the actual cost of many appliances, cars, HVAC systems, etc. etc that you get a tax credit for and you can see that overall cost vs. tax credit gained is noteworthy, but hardly a motivation.

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The point of a tax credit is to get people interested in at least doing the math. If someone is going to put $2K on a credit card for a new furnace, what will hurt to put an extra $1K for a high efficiency? The monthly payment may be $25 higher though monthly savings in natural gas will offset that and once it is paid off, your left with more money. Hell, even a $10K+ geothermal heat and AC system will pay for itself in about 5 years since NO gas is used.

That's just a lame and specious argument to make on it's very face. Most of the crazy lefties are the ones that push for government intervention and intrusion into the lives of ordinary Americans without their consent solely based on their feelings based ideology. It costs people real money to adhere to these fools ideas and notions of nature and the environment and how they think they can save it. Money that a lot of people don't have. Notices the debt/credit problem happening lately? People have other things to contend with than some rat-faced do-nothing that preaches about how we are killing mommy earth while he enjoys the granola he/she eats that was manufactured at a processing plant that consumed more energy to make it than he even understands. Hell, even Kashi commercials are funnier than that.

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So tell me, what has been pushed on our lives right now? It seems to me that many corporations are doing what they can to be energy efficient voluntarily. The only exceptions are restrictions put on companies that dump TOXIC chemicals into our water and air.

Debt and credit problems are not my fault and they are not the companies fault. People who do not understand what credit means or those who just max up cards because they want stuff are at fault. I am working hard to pay down my bills as soon as possible since I spent a lot of time charging things as a naive college student. When time comes when I need a new fridge, it will be energy-star rated because it WILL save me money.

As for that processing plant, the smart "hippies" know we need to expend energy and process raw goods. The good companies work to keep pollution low, dump less, offer a good working environment, etc. Heck, the Subaru plant in Lafayette, IN is a zero waste plant. We all know that certain things need to exist for efficiency and practicality, but I doubt you would let a child of your chew on a lead painted toy just because it was cheaper.

And most right wingers are as common and average everyday people that have to content with the lefties ideas of how they should live while the right wingers are out trying to make an honest buck while, lefty fruitcake over here is protesting, sloganeering, holding a sign, and looks like yesterdays cat crap about how we are destroying the earth with how we live. While they ignore the real damage being done in Canada, Mexico, South America, Africa, China, and India.

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Would you say dumping incredible amounts of waste into streams and lakes, thus turning them into very smelly and disgusting cesspools, instead of paying the money to dispose of it properly is making an honest buck? Look at the headlines recently, Americans are FURIOUS over lead painted toys coming from China. So all the average everyday people are lefty fruitcakes who are trying to bankrupt the Chinese businessman just trying to make an honest buck?

Regulation needs to come about in minimal form in order to keep huge atrocities from happening. If a company wants to comply further then that is great.

It's a scam, all of it. It's a sham that is being foisted on the public at the expense of my pocket book. It's none of your business how I live and it's none of your business what I consume and how I consume it.

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This is the largest issue I see with your argument. What expense is on your pocketbook? There are no energy taxes placed on the individual, only tax BREAKS. Companies take the hit for regulation. You probably believe that the companies pass the cost onto the consumer. This may happen with some companies but most eat it as the cost of doing business to keep customers happy.

If you owned a company, would you employ inefficient workers? Would you allow them to surf the [H] on company time as much as they would like? Or how about this, would you allow yourself to be inefficient as the boss or in your job now?

We want more efficient computers and cars. We look for ways to make existing processes more efficient both personally and in business. No one will ever say that being inefficient is better in any realm. Why would you want to live inefficiently? Why would you take pride in not living everything in your life to its fullest capacity?

Evolution is becoming more efficient.

EliteFantasy said:

I never said everyone should trade in for high efficiency appliances right now. If a person is in the market for a new appliance, it is worth doing the math. Most appliances will pay for themselves within a few years, which is great considering people keep washer and dryers, HVAC systems, dishwashers, refrigerators, and etc. for many years after they pay for themselves. Just because you THINK it is not economically feasible doesn't mean that it isn't. Heck, a 4 pack of CFL bulbs that cost $20 will save roughly $160 over the lifetime of the bulbs (depending on electricity cost) and will last 10 times longer than the 99cent incandescents. Even though the upfront cost is higher, you save a lot of money in the long run.



The point of a tax credit is to get people interested in at least doing the math. If someone is going to put $2K on a credit card for a new furnace, what will hurt to put an extra $1K for a high efficiency? The monthly payment may be $25 higher though monthly savings in natural gas will offset that and once it is paid off, your left with more money. Hell, even a $10K+ geothermal heat and AC system will pay for itself in about 5 years since NO gas is used.



So tell me, what has been pushed on our lives right now? It seems to me that many corporations are doing what they can to be energy efficient voluntarily. The only exceptions are restrictions put on companies that dump TOXIC chemicals into our water and air.

Debt and credit problems are not my fault and they are not the companies fault. People who do not understand what credit means or those who just max up cards because they want stuff are at fault. I am working hard to pay down my bills as soon as possible since I spent a lot of time charging things as a naive college student. When time comes when I need a new fridge, it will be energy-star rated because it WILL save me money.

As for that processing plant, the smart "hippies" know we need to expend energy and process raw goods. The good companies work to keep pollution low, dump less, offer a good working environment, etc. Heck, the Subaru plant in Lafayette, IN is a zero waste plant. We all know that certain things need to exist for efficiency and practicality, but I doubt you would let a child of your chew on a lead painted toy just because it was cheaper.



Would you say dumping incredible amounts of waste into streams and lakes, thus turning them into very smelly and disgusting cesspools, instead of paying the money to dispose of it properly is making an honest buck? Look at the headlines recently, Americans are FURIOUS over lead painted toys coming from China. So all the average everyday people are lefty fruitcakes who are trying to bankrupt the Chinese businessman just trying to make an honest buck?

Regulation needs to come about in minimal form in order to keep huge atrocities from happening. If a company wants to comply further then that is great.



This is the largest issue I see with your argument. What expense is on your pocketbook? There are no energy taxes placed on the individual, only tax BREAKS. Companies take the hit for regulation. You probably believe that the companies pass the cost onto the consumer. This may happen with some companies but most eat it as the cost of doing business to keep customers happy.

If you owned a company, would you employ inefficient workers? Would you allow them to surf the [H] on company time as much as they would like? Or how about this, would you allow yourself to be inefficient as the boss or in your job now?

We want more efficient computers and cars. We look for ways to make existing processes more efficient both personally and in business. No one will ever say that being inefficient is better in any realm. Why would you want to live inefficiently? Why would you take pride in not living everything in your life to its fullest capacity?

Evolution is becoming more efficient.

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I assume you acknowledge that man made global warming is a scam/sham. If that is the case as it seems to be, I agree with you. I don't want the government coming into my house telling me if I can smoke in it or not (I don't smoke, but that's not the point). But, as for a tax credit, I'm all for consuming less energy, making my bills cheaper, and making it more difficult for radical islamists to sell more energy and purchase more russian rpg's to fire at our soldiers.

There's a few basics I wish most people would understand - "tragedy of the commons". It has little if anything to do with the rubbish coming out of Bush folk or Rush's rhetoric. I'm talking common sense stuff:

Waste less, energy efficiency, recycle. Not rocket science here. Loosening pollution standards b/c of Bush/Oil administration (gee thanks)? Bad. Fairly simple here.

On that note, most extremist organizations (petrol-funded or green-funded) cannot be trusted for truthful information. They are all tools. The only ones you can trust are professors, scientists, people who have done the real-life, in-situ work to understand how the environment works.

I'm not gonna yap about global warming, but the real concern is oil resources. Either we use less or we need to get more. Thanks to Bush we're already entrenched in option 2.

DrkMyrlin said:

If you read Greenpeace's website the reason Nintendo got a zero is because they do not publish their policies on their internet site. Greenpeace did not actually do any research besides looking at a few Faqs and checking out websites. This just proves how worthless a bunch of smelly hippies are. If they really wanted to rattle some cages they would try some actual investigative reporting.

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Good point. And now we see how useful Greenpeace is-- not even putting any effort into research.

Regardless, any digital electronic developer should get an automatic zero as most transistors are still built on arsenic wafers. Huzzah!

cerebrex said:

I think the whole environmental man made global warming movement is a huge scam/sham. I think a lot of people are very critical of anyone associated with that movement (and should be).

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global warming is a scam? How do they get data to follow their scam?

And I'm sorry,but if what you do affects the health of anyone other than you (i.e dumping toxic chemicals etc) then it's not your business.

While I've never been a fan of Greenpeace or PETA's activities, the ideology has merit. They are radicals and give a bad name to the environmental efforts of lots of good people.

Quite honestly though, I'm kinda sick of the attitude of "don't tell me how to spend my money, what cars to drive, how to live my life, blah blah blah" attitude. Maybe it is the fact that I moved to Texas and that attitude seems to be at it's high point down here If it affects others, or the environment, then there should be a certain matter of "telling you what to do". Yes, you should be able to smoke in your own home (as long as you don't live with any children that would be exposed to your second-hand smoke). No, you shouldn't be able to smoke in public where I might be exposed to your second-hand smoke, or more importantly where my daughter might be If there is no chance of us having to be exposed, go ahead and light up and enjoy, that is your right to happiness as long as it doesn't interfere with my right to safety and well-being

I don't understand how anyone one can dispute that facts that we need to take care of our environment. We need to lower our dependancy on petroleum products and tighten our policies on water and soil preservation.

Everyone whines and complains about the gas prices, and yet I see people buying trucks and SUVs left and right Just try to bring up the idea of mass transit or even car-pooling down here in Houston and you get laughed at and ridiculed. "What, and not be able to drive where I want, when I want???" Of course, then they start blaming the Oil companies for "ripping them off", when it is actually a combination of the continued population growth and demand on an industry that hasn't significantly increased it's refining capacity in YEARS. Part of that is the fault of the environmental policies though, I will give the anti-Greenpeace group that victory It's amazing how many people don't realize that we actually import REFINED gasoline from outside countries because our refineries are practically at capacity and no one want a new refinery in their backyard

The water situation is terrible. Anyone been up close to the San Jacinto river down here? You couldn't pay me enough to eat a fish caught in that river!!! When you can walk down a mile stretch of river and pick up enough trash to fill several trash bags, there is something wrong. Of course, how much of that trash was thrown out the window of cars by the people that refuse the idea of mass transit? Of course it may be the fact that they make recycling more difficult than they need to. For example, my trash service requires you pay a seperate fee if you want to recycle Not only that, but I have to do the sorting, purchase the recycling "tubs" out of pocket, and the recycling truck comes on a different day than the normal trash service? What the heck am I paying them extra for if I'm doing all the work???

Another problem is that the technology to make much of this possible is prohibitively expensive for most people. Take solar energy. How long has that been around now and I still can't afford the initial cost of setting it up to take my house "off the grid"? Why does a "hybrid" car of the same size cost more than a standard one? Sure, you get a tax writeoff, but if the public is ever going to adopt them as a viable alternative they need to be the same price, if not a little cheaper.

Just look at the florescent light bulbs compared to incandescent. I may be wrong, but I don't think that anyone can argue that they use less energy and last longer, but I still see very few people using them in their homes. We started using them about 7 years ago and haven't looked back. The most common complaint I hear is that they cost more and people don't want to spend the money.

farscapesg1 said:

While I've never been a fan of Greenpeace or PETA's activities, the ideology has merit. They are radicals and give a bad name to the environmental efforts of lots of good people.

Quite honestly though, I'm kinda sick of the attitude of "don't tell me how to spend my money, what cars to drive, how to live my life, blah blah blah" attitude. Maybe it is the fact that I moved to Texas and that attitude seems to be at it's high point down here If it affects others, or the environment, then there should be a certain matter of "telling you what to do". Yes, you should be able to smoke in your own home (as long as you don't live with any children that would be exposed to your second-hand smoke). No, you shouldn't be able to smoke in public where I might be exposed to your second-hand smoke, or more importantly where my daughter might be If there is no chance of us having to be exposed, go ahead and light up and enjoy, that is your right to happiness as long as it doesn't interfere with my right to safety and well-being

I don't understand how anyone one can dispute that facts that we need to take care of our environment. We need to lower our dependancy on petroleum products and tighten our policies on water and soil preservation.

Everyone whines and complains about the gas prices, and yet I see people buying trucks and SUVs left and right Just try to bring up the idea of mass transit or even car-pooling down here in Houston and you get laughed at and ridiculed. "What, and not be able to drive where I want, when I want???" Of course, then they start blaming the Oil companies for "ripping them off", when it is actually a combination of the continued population growth and demand on an industry that hasn't significantly increased it's refining capacity in YEARS. Part of that is the fault of the environmental policies though, I will give the anti-Greenpeace group that victory It's amazing how many people don't realize that we actually import REFINED gasoline from outside countries because our refineries are practically at capacity and no one want a new refinery in their backyard

The water situation is terrible. Anyone been up close to the San Jacinto river down here? You couldn't pay me enough to eat a fish caught in that river!!! When you can walk down a mile stretch of river and pick up enough trash to fill several trash bags, there is something wrong. Of course, how much of that trash was thrown out the window of cars by the people that refuse the idea of mass transit? Of course it may be the fact that they make recycling more difficult than they need to. For example, my trash service requires you pay a seperate fee if you want to recycle Not only that, but I have to do the sorting, purchase the recycling "tubs" out of pocket, and the recycling truck comes on a different day than the normal trash service? What the heck am I paying them extra for if I'm doing all the work???

Another problem is that the technology to make much of this possible is prohibitively expensive for most people. Take solar energy. How long has that been around now and I still can't afford the initial cost of setting it up to take my house "off the grid"? Why does a "hybrid" car of the same size cost more than a standard one? Sure, you get a tax writeoff, but if the public is ever going to adopt them as a viable alternative they need to be the same price, if not a little cheaper.

Just look at the florescent light bulbs compared to incandescent. I may be wrong, but I don't think that anyone can argue that they use less energy and last longer, but I still see very few people using them in their homes. We started using them about 7 years ago and haven't looked back. The most common complaint I hear is that they cost more and people don't want to spend the money.

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Finally a post with a decent amount of logic. Every post in this thread so far has been rife with the " GOD BLESS AMERICA DUN TELL ME WAT TO DO" mentality.