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All you alternative OS types will be happy to know that Ubuntu 7.10 is now out. Anyone interested in trying Ubuntu should really give it a try. We spent 30 days with Ubuntu earlier this year and came away with a very positive outlook. Many of the concerns we had back then have been addressed so if you want to know a bit more about running Ubuntu on a daily basis, I highly recommend you give it a read.

The latest releases of Ubuntu for desktop and server are available today for download. This release brings together the best of free and open source software delivered on a stable, easy to use and learn platform.
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I'll give it a try this weekend on my spare computer. The previous version was pretty nice. But to be honest, it was never the operating system that held me back from Linux. I've always been able to get operating systems to play nice. It's the open source applications that don't quite meet my standards.

Take Windows Media Player for example. I know there's several nice open source equivilents out there, but they lack what Windows Media Player has: the ability to save your size and settings. One reason I dislike Quicktime too.

It's just the little things I'm used to.
 
It took me around 20mins to even find a mirror with a decent connection. Looks like everyone is trying to grab it.
 
I tell you what, I'm going to start killing a kitten every time I see another tech article or blip on the internet about Gutsy Gibbon or Leopard.

Ubuntu is a nice OS, but still very far from a polished product. The lack of laptop power management kills it for me.
 
sc3252 said:
It took me around 20mins to even find a mirror with a decent connection. Looks like everyone is trying to grab it.
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Torrent it. I downloaded it in around 10min. There are so many seeders at the moment its ridiculous.
 
Azhar said:
I'll give it a try this weekend on my spare computer. The previous version was pretty nice. But to be honest, it was never the operating system that held me back from Linux. I've always been able to get operating systems to play nice. It's the open source applications that don't quite meet my standards.

Take Windows Media Player for example. I know there's several nice open source equivilents out there, but they lack what Windows Media Player has: the ability to save your size and settings. One reason I dislike Quicktime too.

It's just the little things I'm used to.
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Have you tried VideoLan Player? http://www.videolan.org/vlc/

Its great and allows you to completely change how videos open, eg: Scale them to YYYx1024 or 2x or whatever.

Also comes with a ton of codecs.
 
InorganicMatter said:
I tell you what, I'm going to start killing a kitten every time I see another tech article or blip on the internet about Gutsy Gibbon or Leopard.

Ubuntu is a nice OS, but still very far from a polished product. The lack of laptop power management kills it for me.UOTE]


Simply because it is missing a feature that would make it complete for you does not mean it is not a polished, worthy OS. Releases of popular Linux distros are no less important then all the other random crap that gets front-paged... Mac-Mini mod? Nothx.*


*My opinion. See, it doesn't make the project any less worth the front page though.
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legendz411 said:
InorganicMatter said:
I tell you what, I'm going to start killing a kitten every time I see another tech article or blip on the internet about Gutsy Gibbon or Leopard.

Ubuntu is a nice OS, but still very far from a polished product. The lack of laptop power management kills it for me.UOTE]


Simply because it is missing a feature that would make it complete for you does not mean it is not a polished, worthy OS. Releases of popular Linux distros are no less important then all the other random crap that gets front-paged... Mac-Mini mod? Nothx.*


*My opinion. See, it doesn't make the project any less worth the front page though.
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Laptop power management is necessary. End of discussion. Ubuntu is nice and all, but they gotta get the power management working first. Fedora does a beautiful job on power management. But lacks other Ubuntu stuff.
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Vashypooh said:
Laptop power management is necessary. End of discussion. Ubuntu is nice and all, but they gotta get the power management working first. Fedora does a beautiful job on power management. But lacks other Ubuntu stuff.
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Well put; I wasn't sure how to word that but you did an excellent job: Laptop Power management is a necessity, not a feature. It's like the brakes on a car - they are not an "optional feature," even though they add to production costs and could easily be cut from the manufacturing process. The Ubuntu group simply ignores this necessity, despite the need for it.
 
InorganicMatter said:
Well put; I wasn't sure how to word that but you did an excellent job: Laptop Power management is a necessity, not a feature. It's like the brakes on a car - they are not an "optional feature," even though they add to production costs and could easily be cut from the manufacturing process. The Ubuntu group simply ignores this necessity, despite the need for it.
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http://packages.ubuntu.com/gutsy/utils/laptop-mode-tools

That what you are looking for? It took me 5 seconds on google to find a ton of things regarding laptops and ubuntu
 
Hmm, well you should try it out again and see if you can't figure out what is causing the power drain (gpu, hd, cpu, etc). See if it works better now as it probably has quite a few improvements since you last installed it. You will want to turn off the advanced gpu compiz fusion stuff though as it would drain it quick most likely.

Also, check your PMs ;)
 
Stoly said:
I think it would be a good time to update 30 days with linux, it was very helpful and informative.
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Thanks!

I don't know if we're going to -just- yet, or if it will be the same reviewer (me) to do it, or if we'll do another series at all (haven't been in contact with Kyle about it.) I'm busy with my own side-projects at the moment. Additionally, I think I may be more biased towards the Mac platform because of all the video editing I'm doing in my second (third?) career.

I think it's still worth waiting a little while - the original came out in March of last year. And I personally want to see if Vista SP1 comes out in the next few months to match Gutsy Gibbon & Leopard.
 
Brian Boyko said:
Thanks!

I don't know if we're going to -just- yet, or if it will be the same reviewer (me) to do it, or if we'll do another series at all (haven't been in contact with Kyle about it.) I'm busy with my own side-projects at the moment. Additionally, I think I may be more biased towards the Mac platform because of all the video editing I'm doing in my second (third?) career.

I think it's still worth waiting a little while - the original came out in March of last year. And I personally want to see if Vista SP1 comes out in the next few months to match Gutsy Gibbon & Leopard.
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I understand that evaluating Ubuntu 7.10 is more in line with the previous article since it would be using the same distro but a different version. However, I wouldn't mind seeing something like openSUSE 10.3 evaluated like in the previous article. It may just be personal preference, but I find openSUSE more to my liking. I think one of the biggest reasons is YaST2 and the fact that it acts similar to Control Panel in Windows that I've been so used to over the years. However, I find that the YaST2 has more capability than Control Panel even if in some cases it can be a little more difficult to use or find stuff.

Either way, I would love to see a new article with either openSUSE 10.3 or a comparison article with Ubuntu 7.10. Depending on what SP1 does for Vista, it may be worthwhile running a follow up on that one as well.

For the best "comparison" it would probably be better to run both article follow ups in a close time frame. I know that's not the intended purpose of either article, but the comparison between articles will be made and I believe it would be a good source of information.

It's just too bad that it costs a lot of time and money to do articles like this. If it wasn't for my lack of writing and testing skills as well as my lack of time I wouldn't mind doing the "testing" for something like this. My previous experience with both Linux distros mentioned as well as some limited experience with Vista would probably invalidate the premise of the articles as they were meant to be aimed at a consumer who had not previously used the OSes before.

 
InorganicMatter said:
Well put; I wasn't sure how to word that but you did an excellent job: Laptop Power management is a necessity, not a feature. It's like the brakes on a car - they are not an "optional feature," even though they add to production costs and could easily be cut from the manufacturing process. The Ubuntu group simply ignores this necessity, despite the need for it.
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acpi=on

Some ubuntu users/people-who-try simply it ignore the documentation , setup your system then backup your configuration files , heh if your feeling really adventurous build your own kernel with the suspend sources or you could just forget about the "easy install" and take your time with certain other distros and taylor the install to the machine , for sher you can even make a small bash script to add the " acpi=on " to the kernel boot options and put it on a cd labeled laptop driver install but that'd be just a waste :p
 
DOpamine said:
acpi=on

Some ubuntu users/people-who-try simply it ignore the documentation , setup your system then backup your configuration files , heh if your feeling really adventurous build your own kernel with the suspend sources or you could just forget about the "easy install" and take your time with certain other distros and taylor the install to the machine , for sher you can even make a small bash script to add the " acpi=on " to the kernel boot options and put it on a cd labeled laptop driver install but that'd be just a waste :p
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No. Ubuntu is for "humans," not Linux geeks and programmers. Humans don't know how and cannot be expected to create a bash script and add kernel options. I refuse to screw around with that.

I've concluded that Ubuntu sucks. It's huge, slow, a memory hog, comes with a million unnecessary programs, and neglects the most basic of features (gee, that sounds kind of like Windows Vista, doesn't it? :p). I've switched to openSuSE, and do not regret the change. It's faster, streamlined, easier to administer (YaST friggin ROCKS!), and feels much more natural.
 
InorganicMatter said:
No. Ubuntu is for "humans," not Linux geeks and programmers. Humans don't know how and cannot be expected to create a bash script and add kernel options. I refuse to screw around with that.

I've concluded that Ubuntu sucks. It's huge, slow, a memory hog, comes with a million unnecessary programs, and neglects the most basic of features (gee, that sounds kind of like Windows Vista, doesn't it? :p). I've switched to openSuSE, and do not regret the change. It's faster, streamlined, easier to administer (YaST friggin ROCKS!), and feels much more natural.
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its so hard to " sudo nano /boot/grub/menu.lst " and append " acpi=on " to the kernel options o.0 ? heh you can even just highlight whats in the "'s and mousewheel them into the term

and no YaST does not rock .....now portage on the other hand.....mmmm

dealing with a command line doesnt make you a geek i dont think...understanding and programming C perhaps does qualify you as a geek

top and bottom of it is that all distros and GNU/Linux in general have to be learned even windows

Gentoo for life homie ;)
 
DOpamine said:
its so hard to " sudo nano /boot/grub/menu.lst " and append " acpi=on " to the kernel options o.0 ? heh you can even just highlight whats in the "'s and mousewheel them into the term
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No. NO NO NO NO NO!!!! Terminal = NO! Sudo = NO!! Command Line = bad, bad, bad!

Users should not have to do that in an operating system that is "human-friendly." Windows doesn't require you to use a command line. OS X doesn't require you to use a command line. I just can not understand why the command line is still so integral in Linux distros. You should be able to go System -> Administration -> Power Settings, and check the box that says "ACHI?" Or better yet, the installer should figure out for you what you need.
 
InorganicMatter said:
No. NO NO NO NO NO!!!! Terminal = NO! Sudo = NO!! Command Line = bad, bad, bad!

Users should not have to do that in an operating system that is "human-friendly." Windows doesn't require you to use a command line. OS X doesn't require you to use a command line. I just can not understand why the command line is still so integral in Linux distros. You should be able to go System -> Administration -> Power Settings, and check the box that says "ACHI?" Or better yet, the installer should figure out for you what you need.
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Windows is windows OSX is OSX GNU/Linux is GNU/Linux they all work differently but they all have a command line interface

let me give you an example of how versatile , easy and powerful the terminal is in any GNU/Linux distro.

say you want to backup a classic game or cd containing important data to an iso on your hard disk in windows , what would this entail ? can you even do this without 3rd party software ? either an open sourced application or worse still payware

say you want to backup a classic game or cd containing important data to an iso on your hard disk in GNU/Linux , so simple - just open a terminal and type " cat /dev/cdrom >> ~/backup.iso "

maybe its a games console or something you need because to me thats beyond simple , the terminal is there and prominent in all GNU/Linux distros because its useful and powerful , other OSes hide their terminals for reasons that are beyond me
 
DOpamine said:
Windows is windows OSX is OSX GNU/Linux is GNU/Linux they all work differently but they all have a command line interface

let me give you an example of how versatile , easy and powerful the terminal is in any GNU/Linux distro.

say you want to backup a classic game or cd containing important data to an iso on your hard disk in windows , what would this entail ? can you even do this without 3rd party software ? either an open sourced application or worse still payware

say you want to backup a classic game or cd containing important data to an iso on your hard disk in GNU/Linux , so simple - just open a terminal and type " cat /dev/cdrom >> ~/backup.iso "

maybe its a games console or something you need because to me thats beyond simple , the terminal is there and prominent in all GNU/Linux distros because its useful and powerful , other OSes hide their terminals for reasons that are beyond me
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QFT! The Gui is useful for some things, as is the CLI. Learn to use both. One of the reason I have abandoned windows is I have been using Linux & Windows for a while. I won't use a Windows system for any significant period of time without cygwin. It is simply too much of a PITA to get stuff done in.

On another note, power management IMHO has always caused more problems than it has solved. I _hate_ power management with a passion.

I think it is hilarious that people are complaining that no good power management = no go, yet accept windows licensing terms where are MUCH worse than having no power management.

Then again, I'm in my 30's and I grew up on dumb terminals in public schools connected to a unix box. CLI is pretty 2nd nature to me.
 
Robstar said:
QFT! The Gui is useful for some things, as is the CLI. Learn to use both. One of the reason I have abandoned windows is I have been using Linux & Windows for a while. I won't use a Windows system for any significant period of time without cygwin. It is simply too much of a PITA to get stuff done in.

On another note, power management IMHO has always caused more problems than it has solved. I _hate_ power management with a passion.

I think it is hilarious that people are complaining that no good power management = no go, yet accept windows licensing terms where are MUCH worse than having no power management.

Then again, I'm in my 30's and I grew up on dumb terminals in public schools connected to a unix box. CLI is pretty 2nd nature to me.
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10 print " you are right ";
20 goto 10

;)
 
I had to use the command prompt last night to set up a file to mass rename files in Windows last night, why can't Windows (Vista) allow me to mass rename files in a folder from .yyy to .zzz extension w/o having to do a bunch of work and use regular expressions in a text find/replace field to add REN filename.yyy filename.zzz?

Hardly simple task, and people want to do it for lots of things, especially photos.
 
DOpamine said:
dealing with a command line doesnt make you a geek i dont think...understanding and programming C perhaps does qualify you as a geek
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I agree, how many times in Windows do you have to go to the command prompt to get info and start stop services and such. GPO's and networking information come to mind....

What's so hard about a command line?
 
mmadd29 said:
I agree, how many times in Windows do you have to go to the command prompt to get info and start stop services and such. GPO's and networking information come to mind....

What's so hard about a command line?
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I hear ya , some people would rather have a developer spend his/her time making a gui with clean lines and so on rather than improving the underlying code . Dont get me wrong i've got a fancy desktop but the CLI is too useful to just ignore , another good example is remote desktop / vnc vs ssh
 
The one thing I really like about this new version is that I have a Linksys WPA54G and it went out and grabbed the drivers. I know you have to set that up with NDISwrapper in previous versions. I think I'll stick with Ubuntu on my laptop. :)
 
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