Still no Quality Professional Reviews of the 24" LG L246WP / L245WP

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Why is it that this monitor has not yet been tested by any of the trusted review sites out there?

By trusted sites, I mean:
http://www.trustedreviews.com/index.aspx
http://www.xbitlabs.com/
http://www.tomshardware.com/us/
http://www.anandtech.com/
http://www.behardware.com/
...... and other quality review sites like these.

I would think that based on it's low price ($499.99) that every site would want to compare it to the inexpensive Samsung 246BW (TN model) as well as the more expensive models from Dell, Samsung, HP, Gateway, Westinghouse, etc....

What am I missing here?
 
hrmm...dunno.

I don't know if there are reviews on the new 24" dell E248WFP or the 24" gateway that has been getting some buzz either.
 
Though hardly the most accurate, CNET has a full review here
http://reviews.cnet.co.uk/monitors/0,39030121,49290558,00.htm

Score 9.0 Spectacular.

What I find interesting in the review is that they complain that LG only supplied a D-Sub cable. I wonder if this is a UK desicion only cause with my L245 here in Greece I was supplied with far more (for example the HDMI-DVI cable he complains about not being included).

Hardly the most accurate of review sites, but they are professional.
 
computerinfo said:
I finally found a review that was published today from xbitlabs.com

http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/other/display/24inch.html

The review was of the LG Flatron L245WP.

They pretty much had nothing good to say about it. Wow. I am very surprissed.

Mine will arrive tomorrow and the review has put a damper on my excitement.
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I suggest investing in a hardware calibrator such as the Spyder 2 or Eye One Display to help sort out the gamma/brightness issues Xbitlabs had with the LG. Of course, it's always possible that the sample they had for review was defective in some way..
 
joemama said:
I suggest investing in a hardware calibrator such as the Spyder 2 or Eye One Display to help sort out the gamma/brightness issues Xbitlabs had with the LG. Of course, it's always possible that the sample they had for review was defective in some way..
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Hey ComputerInfo,

I completely agree with JoeMama... I got my LG L246WP a couple of weeks ago and the first thing I did was to calibrate it with my Spyder2. And let me tell you, this panel just shines... The colors are rich and the blacks are so much deeper. Overall, I'm very happy with this panel and glad that I kept this instead of the HP w2408...

I'm sure your concerns will all go away once you fire it up... Good luck and enjoy!

-Wil
 
Wow, I am so glad the review wasn't out before I bought mine. I would think the monitor is bad and not get it. Either the reviewer had a bad unit or he has a banana up his anus.
 
I'm going to guess that they didn't put the monitor in sRGB mode as it corrects the bightness issue over the other color temp settings.
 
Well with a review like that, It makes me want to wait another year or two before getting rid of my 24" crt's. Nothing realy stands out. Not good.:confused:
 
I received my LG 24" from Fry's today. It looked perfect but when I turned it on the image did not come on and all I was was a shattered screen of colors.

Long story short. Fry's had DHL pick up the monitior and i went to Best Buy to buy a new one since they matched the price of CompUSA. I wouyld have stuck with Fry's accept they were out of stock and would not let me swap it with one from a retail store.

Questions:
1. Is it better to use the HDMI cable vs the standart serial.
2. What is the best free software calibration out there?

Note: I'm not so sure if my 6600gt is aboe to keep up with both my 24" and 20" monitor. I find that when i move images quickly, they take a bit of time to redraw.
 
AuthenticAMD said:
Xbitlabs.com now has a "professional" review of the LG 245W, and it is not pretty.
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Having read through it fully, it's clear that they did not use sRGB mode to test it. I can say that the L246W has the same issue with black level and contrast ratio when using anything other than sRGB.

I will agree that the monitor doesn't look so good at other color temp settings. LG needs to fix this in order for the user to have more options and more control of color at the monitor level.
 
Joemama. What settings are you at now? What did you start with? Do you remember the factory defautls?

I bought the spyder2express and after calibration the colors are still off by a lot when making prints.

I like the monitor but i cant calibrate it for anything. Also i don;t have the ability to get to all the settings on the display..

Ryan
 
Just got a L246. Seems to be OK but that review is damning.

Gaming is OK, pictures look good, though I have no idea how accurate. I'm in SRGB mode and I lowered the brightness through the OSD. I have very low intensity lighting.

I have approx 2 weeks to return it. I really need to know if the review is accurate. I like the design of the monitor and in use I kind of like it too, but I haven't REALLY tried to adjust/calibrate it.

If the monitor is really so crappy, I will spring for the Benq 241w. It costs about the same.

I really need people who own this monitor to chime in regarding the review. This is my first LCD so I have no basis for comparison. I need to know if the display is actually good (like it seems) or if competing models are better.

Out of the box, the display can turn you into spiderman if a spider happens to be crawling on you. Bright enough to mutate DNA. They say when the brightness is lowered, dynamic range goes completely to sh*t.

I have a DSLR so color quality and contrast are important for photo editing.

Please help!
 
I had a look at the LG at a local big box, it is a very high gamma shift VA monitor. A complete non starter for me. (gamma shifts all over the screen except for the perpendicular spot you are looking at).

Frankly LCDs are in a race to the bottom. IPS is disappearing, and we are left with:

VA: high gamma shifts, input lags, overdrive ghosting etc... I hate these.
TN: Very high vertical gamma shift. I hate these less, but they still are not suitable for image editing.

When I go to the electronic shop only the Mac screens are any good (IPS) and even the 20" iMacs now use TN screens. A 23" ACD would be nice, but single input and high price are a drag.

Hurry up OLED.
 
vidoprof said:
Joemama. What settings are you at now? What did you start with? Do you remember the factory defautls?

I bought the spyder2express and after calibration the colors are still off by a lot when making prints.

I like the monitor but i cant calibrate it for anything. Also i don;t have the ability to get to all the settings on the display..

Ryan
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It won't do you much good to use someone elses settings...especially since you don't say what monitor you're using (I have a NEC 20WMGX2 as primary) and even if it's the exact same monitor...my settings would only be a starting point.
 
65535 said:
Just got a L246. Seems to be OK but that review is damning.

Gaming is OK, pictures look good, though I have no idea how accurate. I'm in SRGB mode and I lowered the brightness through the OSD. I have very low intensity lighting.

I have approx 2 weeks to return it. I really need to know if the review is accurate. I like the design of the monitor and in use I kind of like it too, but I haven't REALLY tried to adjust/calibrate it.

If the monitor is really so crappy, I will spring for the Benq 241w. It costs about the same.

I really need people who own this monitor to chime in regarding the review. This is my first LCD so I have no basis for comparison. I need to know if the display is actually good (like it seems) or if competing models are better.

Out of the box, the display can turn you into spiderman if a spider happens to be crawling on you. Bright enough to mutate DNA. They say when the brightness is lowered, dynamic range goes completely to sh*t.

I have a DSLR so color quality and contrast are important for photo editing.

Please help!
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This I don't get. You own one and you like it, but you are afraid about a bad review (and bad not only because it says the monitor is bad but because the review is bad on its own). Do YOU like the monitor? What does it matter if some site say about the monitor if you already have it and you like it? Do you need the approval of third parties to validate your purchase? If you don't like the monitor, return it, sell it, throw it away whatever. If you like the monitor, then screw all those that don't agree. It's your eyes that matter.
 
vidoprof said:
Joemama. What settings are you at now? What did you start with? Do you remember the factory defautls?

I bought the spyder2express and after calibration the colors are still off by a lot when making prints.

I like the monitor but i cant calibrate it for anything. Also i don;t have the ability to get to all the settings on the display..

Ryan
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Hey Vidoprof,

You should use the Spyder2Suite. It costs a little more but what it does is that it allows for more adjustments with the RGB channels which the Express can't do. I print photos to two printers, a Canon i9900 and an Epson Stylus Photo 960. The colors are pretty accurate and so far, I've been very happy with the results and with the LG.

If you can afford it, give it a shot... Good luck!

-Wil
 
kuyawil said:
Hey Vidoprof,

You should use the Spyder2Suite. It costs a little more but what it does is that it allows for more adjustments with the RGB channels which the Express can't do. I print photos to two printers, a Canon i9900 and an Epson Stylus Photo 960. The colors are pretty accurate and so far, I've been very happy with the results and with the LG.

If you can afford it, give it a shot... Good luck!

-Wil
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If you can afford it (and are a photographer) I HIGHLY suggest you try Coloreyes Display pro with your Spyder2 colorimeter. I believe there is a free trial download from the Coloreyes site....I found that it produces better results than even the Spyder 2 pro software.
 
joemama said:
If you can afford it (and are a photographer) I HIGHLY suggest you try Coloreyes Display pro with your Spyder2 colorimeter. I believe there is a free trial download from the Coloreyes site....I found that it produces better results than even the Spyder 2 pro software.
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Hey Joemama,

Thanks for the info... I'll give it a shot and see how it goes... Will get back to you as soon as try I it out...

Regards,
Wil
 
Is there a benefit to using the HDMI conection vs. the VGA cable on this monitor?

I am currently using tje VGA and was not sure if I should switch.
 
Joe Mama,

I just thought since this was the LG thread that you had THAT monitor. I do HAVE that LG monitor and thought since you had it (but you don't) i could use your starting point.

I have reset mine to the factory and then tried to calibrate it and only it's WAY too bright still and the colors don't match.

I am going to try that Coloreyes tonight and see if that works any better. The problem is trying to get the brightness down to 95-100 or so (since I have no idea where it starts off to begin with).

I was thinking of setting the monitor by eye on any one of those websites out there and THEN using the spyder2express. I have tried it only once with poor results but I might give that another shot tonight too.


Ryan
 
computerinfo said:
Is there a benefit to using the HDMI conection vs. the VGA cable on this monitor?

I am currently using tje VGA and was not sure if I should switch.
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If your graphics card has a DVI or HDMI connection and not just a VGA, then you should definetely not use the VGA to connect. The quality should be obvious after you try it.
 
BlueMak said:
This I don't get. You own one and you like it, but you are afraid about a bad review (and bad not only because it says the monitor is bad but because the review is bad on its own). Do YOU like the monitor? What does it matter if some site say about the monitor if you already have it and you like it? Do you need the approval of third parties to validate your purchase? If you don't like the monitor, return it, sell it, throw it away whatever. If you like the monitor, then screw all those that don't agree. It's your eyes that matter.
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The reason I like it is because I don't know if it's good. Seems nice enough but I have yet to print any pictures. Of course, it pales in comparison to my old CRT but the CRT is also much darker and contrasty. I don't know if the pictures match that one either.

I haven't really played with the LCD's settings to find optimal values yet. Lowering the brightness to get a less suntan-generating display makes you lose a lot of contrast/dynamic range. Of course, the same is true for the CRT.

I guess the way to find out for sure is to get a print of an out-of-camera shot and compare it woth both monitors. For all I know the LCD is much more accurate.

I wouldn't normally care about what a review says if I know/fell I'm right. But LCDs are new to me.
 
Here's a little program I used that REALLY helped with the gamma. This wasn't the only setting I tweaked, but I did not see ANY dark details before using this and now I'm seeing them much better.

http://www.normankoren.com/makingfineprints1A.html#QuickGamma

That whole page has lots of good info on it. I'll tell you what I used for comparison too:

Orginally I could not see any threads in the Seattle Mariners hat, just the S logo. Now I can actually see the threads very clearly.

http://mandolux.com/ , click on Seattle Mariners, middle column on the left. I used the 1920x1200 Right side monitor pic to help calibrate the gamma, contrast, and brightness. If you can't clearly see the dark blue threads of the hat then your gamma is way off.

I might still pickup up a Spyder2 but I haven't decided. I think it's just harder for me cause I have a 2005FPW which is S-IPS right next to it and it's just killing the LG no matter how good I tweak it.
 
65535 said:
The reason I like it is because I don't know if it's good. Seems nice enough but I have yet to print any pictures. Of course, it pales in comparison to my old CRT but the CRT is also much darker and contrasty. I don't know if the pictures match that one either.

I haven't really played with the LCD's settings to find optimal values yet. Lowering the brightness to get a less suntan-generating display makes you lose a lot of contrast/dynamic range. Of course, the same is true for the CRT.

I guess the way to find out for sure is to get a print of an out-of-camera shot and compare it woth both monitors. For all I know the LCD is much more accurate.

I wouldn't normally care about what a review says if I know/fell I'm right. But LCDs are new to me.
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Pick sRGB and do as you wish.
 
I currently have on my desk a LG L246WP in sRGB mode a Samsung 245B and a Dell 207WFP-HC.
I am not a gamer. I use this for photo editing and work.
Bottom Line...
The 245B is nice as long as you don't move your head at all in the vertical plane. The TN panel is noticeably lighter and darker depending on vertical angle, but good colors and speed.
The LG is really nice but... text is just a tad fuzzy and details in the blacks are like looking at the before portion of a Claritin Clear commercial. Bottom line, for accurate broad gamut colors with exceptional viewing angles, the Dell is the clear winner (even against my 244t that is my second panel.
 
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