netsend at school : suspension

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today i was messing around with netsend in the it rooms. after trying to send a message to a studednt across the classroom i managed to send the message 'sam is a gay twat' across the whole domain. this includes all the it rooms, teachers offices, staffrooms, over 200 teachers laptops, senior staff and headteacher.

as i result of this i have been threatened with suspension from school

net send * sam is a gay twat
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saved as bat and ran.

do you think this is fair?
 
Yes (in school suspension or extended period of detention), although the admins should have disabled the messenger service unless there's a pressing need for it. Why would you net send * anyway? You do understand that * typically denotes 'all', right?
 
if they have a policy saying that you will be suspended for computer mischief, i would expect it.

don't screw around next time.
 
well i put

net send * 10-a1 sam is a .....

with 10-a1 being the computer name but it included that in the message, not realizing at the time that * send to the whole domain
 
Every year some leetshit little kid does a netsend and gets threatened for this kind of thing.

My thoughts:
Should you get suspended for using netsend when the network wasn't locked down enough to stop you?

No.

Should you get suspended for using "sam is a gay twat" as your message of choice?

Probably

Should you have all your nerd cred stripped from you for not being able to use a simple command like netsend correctly?

Most definitely
 
That made me laugh.

Not only should the admin have had the messenger service disabled, you should not have been able to get to a command prompt or use the run command. If they left it open, they have to expect some mild abuse.

While I feel you should be reprimanded, I don't think a suspension is going to do anything. They should ban you from the computers for a week, or send you home for the afternoon. Problem is, they are most likely focusing on what you said rather than what you did.

Did you know it was going to send to all the computers? If not, boy would I have loved to see the look on your face when you heard all the computers in the room beep when they all got that message. I'm cracking up just thinking about it.

Thanks for the mid-day laugh, I needed it. I hope you get the opportunity to work it out with them. It might help if you acknowledge that you did something wrong and that you should be punished. Maybe you can suggest some form of punishment for what you did.
 
Demon10000 said:
... boy would I have loved to see the look on your face when you heard all the computers in the room beep when they all got that message. I'm cracking up just thinking about it.
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LMAO! me too. that sucks man, but... must....... laugh........... :D
 
ndruw said:
Every year some leetshit little kid does a netsend and gets threatened for this kind of thing.

My thoughts:
Should you get suspended for using netsend when the network wasn't locked down enough to stop you?

No.

Should you get suspended for using "sam is a gay twat" as your message of choice?

Probably

Should you have all your nerd cred stripped from you for not being able to use a simple command like netsend correctly?

Most definitely
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Ditto, and ROFL :p
 
I don't think you should have been suspended for the sent message but what the message said did not help you out at all in your punishment. Its just absurd, back when I was in high school I had my fun with this freshman year but for the next three years they still never disabled the messenger service. There were also plenty of backholes around the network (primarily win2k) that kids took advantage of and they NEVER locked any of these down!
 
A kid I was sitting next to in class did that back in high school several years ago (pe-SP1 days, so the messenger service was running on all the systems on the network by default). He got smacked upside the head and was told not to do it again. Apparently the sysadmin got several dozen phone calls from concerned teachers who got the message.

With that said, if you get suspended, it's most definitely for the contents of the message rather than the act of netsending the message to the entire domain.
 
I'm sure everyone or most people here did something devious to their schools computers/network at one point in time when they were going to school. It doesnt make you special or 'cool'. You get whatever the school gives you because of your stupidity.
 
i was not expecting it, i was sitting designing a webpage and suddenly all the computers start beeping!

it was hilarious at the time but the context of the message i guess should not have managed to get its way onto 300+ monitors.

edit: i wasnt trying to look special or cool or anything, as it was intended to go to one termial only.
 
A few problems:

1) Kids are able to access the same domain as the teachers. That's just wrong, and whomever is responsible for it should be slapped

2) The messenger service was running. Hell, as was mentioned, any computer a kid is going to access should be in kiosk mode. Under linux, preferrably.

Were I the admin of this network, any computer a kid can access would be a completely different subnet than the rest of the network. And it would be firewalled off. I see no reason to need communication between the "kids" network and everyone else.

But as to your actual question: Maybe. You shouldn't have been fucking around with the systems, especially when you didn't know what you were doing. That message is possibly offensive ( although you'd have to have a serious stick up the ass to get offended by that ), so there's that too. Were I in charge of things, I'd kick ya on a three day vacation, and restricted computer use for the rest of the year.
 
I am amazed no one has asked yet. Is Sam a gay twat?

I look at it no differently than if you were giving a speech or presentation to the school , with a wireless Mic, and had gone back stage not realizing that the sound engineer had not turned off your channel, and then you said it backstage between one or 2 other people who would have found it funny, yet it went out to everyone.

It's misuse of school property, which went from being a somewhat minimal thing into something much more. I would suspect that anyone handing down any punishment would easily be as guilty of misuse. i.e. taking home a pen or 2, making a copy of something for home use, borrowing equipment for use at home, ETC, it's just that they haven’t got caught and, their mistakes are not as public.

If I were you, I would expect a couple days of suspension, unless Sam takes exception to the comment (in jest VS malicious) then you may want to prepare for something bigger. Remember what happend to the starwars kids Cyberbullys.

Edit: This reminds me of the E-mail that got sent out to 4000 people to "Please shit down your computer this weekend." We needed everyone to log in for a special update and this seemed to be a good way to help get that done. We laughed for a couple of weeks about that one.
 
XOR != OR said:
A few problems:

1) Kids are able to access the same domain as the teachers. That's just wrong, and whomever is responsible for it should be slapped...
Were I the admin of this network, any computer a kid can access would be a completely different subnet than the rest of the network. And it would be firewalled off. I see no reason to need communication between the "kids" network and everyone else.
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Yah I noticed that too..even the smallest school network I did...VLANs each for office, staff, classrooms, and computer lab.
 
everythings on the same domain at school. its just on 3 levels

Admins
Teachers
Pupils.

nah sams a good mate of mine.
 
Hahahaha. This happened at my school too.

Now, Let me post-face that by describing the setup we've got going at school. Every kid has a laptop. Every teacher has a laptop and uses Smartboards and projectors. Every student has a laptop in their boarding rooms.

Some idiot wrote a .bat script to continuously send a message over the network, thinking it was the "correct" way to do a netsend.

He ended up sending roughly 100 000 "colorful" messages to *every* computer on the main domain... Teachers showing powerpoints, students taking notes... etc. Now, since the school laptops had 256mb of RAM, were running XP and a multitude of other programs, and had shared video... You could imagine the havok recieiving 100 messages almost instantly would play on an AIM/itunes'd/CS'd out laptop. Yeah, anarchy.

The kid was expelled.
 
In my Uni any who pull shit like this gets his/her account suspended for 2 weeks. ASFAIK they have disabled it on most comps by now.
 
Last year I did something like this but they blame someone else since I was logged in someone else username :p

mine was "Your internetz belongs to me!"

and they still didnt disabled it
 
XOR != OR said:
A few problems:

1) Kids are able to access the same domain as the teachers. That's just wrong, and whomever is responsible for it should be slapped

2) The messenger service was running. Hell, as was mentioned, any computer a kid is going to access should be in kiosk mode. Under linux, preferrably.

Were I the admin of this network, any computer a kid can access would be a completely different subnet than the rest of the network. And it would be firewalled off. I see no reason to need communication between the "kids" network and everyone else.

But as to your actual question: Maybe. You shouldn't have been fucking around with the systems, especially when you didn't know what you were doing. That message is possibly offensive ( although you'd have to have a serious stick up the ass to get offended by that ), so there's that too. Were I in charge of things, I'd kick ya on a three day vacation, and restricted computer use for the rest of the year.
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Tend to agree with this. I would have the teachers and students in the same forest but not the same domain. As far as the terminals go with a domain yea I would have them at least semi locked down. Mind you I know a lot of schools that don't do this. Things like underfunded photo or cad classes where they get lucky to get machines from anywhere. When I was in hs I ran a cad lab taht was like this. School system was apple so they could care less about a windows lab. State gave us the computers.

This is kinda funny though. Expect to get into some trouble.

I remember doing crap like this as a kid though. I remember having a script I managed to get installed on an administrative aid(think jr principle) that did pretty much the same thing then deleated its self. Got blamed for it as they always went to me when something bad went down. I asked for the logs and they didn't have them I waited till they pulled them and then showed that the guy was the one that sent it(guy that was blaiming me). Went off the deep end saying how they were trying to set me up. Good times
 
I had this happen at my school, sitting in the computer lab and I told my friend to type in
netsend * hi, a minute later there was a phone call and we were bitched at lol. Our IT admin isn't too good at his job, All computers and servers are on the same domain with tons of file shares. A game gets on the network and people have it copied to every possible network share. A great way to organize about two thousand computers, Just throw em all on the same network and domain...

But he shouldn't get in trouble for using netsend as it's just a message sender... (imo)
He can/should/might get in trouble for the message he chose to send.
 
TopGun said:
A great way to organize about two thousand computers, Just throw em all on the same network and domain...
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Nothing really wrong with that. Personaly I would have a forest and sub domains under it for the different depts in the school but it could be done under 1.
 
My sysadmin at my school is alright.

Although there really isn't much to mess up considering we run a citrix thin client system. (Sucks for schoolwork...can't handle a powerpoint presentation)

EDIT: hit reply too fast

Also, when we did have a host of Pentium III computers, we could always message each other with the novell messenger! Good times.
 
Do this next time:

Code: 
5 FLASH
10 PRINT "BRIAN IS A JACKASS"
20 GOTO 10

Oh, wait, that works on an Apple IIe. Sorry, my bad, now back to your modern mischef.
 
For some odd reason all I can do is smile after reading this thread. :D
 
It's no more unjust then getting a suspension for playing WC3, because it was "breaking the network." The content of the message is the only real problem I see, other than that a net send shouldn't warrant a suspension.
 
Well, when you guys all get jobs when you grow up and you get fired for doing stupid crap like playing WC3 at work, you will see the parallelism.
 
I did a similar thing back when I was in high school, I got suspended for 15 days, and banned off the computer systems for the rest of my high school life (2.5 years, did this half way through grade 10)

Almost expelled, the principals, superintendent, Minister of Education ( :eek: ) and the rest of the whole school SYSTEM (I didn't even know that each regions systems were connected, thou they were disconnected/reworked after this incident, all separate domains mind you, I just made a script that sent to ALL networked computers) got a message that said that they are all stupid for having messenger enabled (Mistake number one) and that if they don't close the security bugs, I will hack there system and do something worse than just a net send (VERY stupid mistake #2).

Suffice to say, it was because of the MESSAGE, not the actual net send (principal that fought with super intendant to not expel me and call the police as he knew I didn't really mean it and I honestly don't expect it to work.)

He(principal) let me that it wasn't the thing I used, but rather what I said. Had I just said ha ha look what I can do, I would just of been lectured, with a lunch suspension or 2.

Ironicly enough.... I now WORK for the IT at the (same) School Board :p
 
i used to do that at the university all the time...


one time i was sending some offball comments to a girl sitting 2 stations down... i kept wondering why the heck she wasn't getting my messages... then i realized i was sending them to the wrong floor.. as the naming convention was floor/lab/station so 01east05... ooops, i'm glad whoever was getting those never found out it was me, that would have been somewhat embarrasing having somebody else read my childish flirtations.
 
We used to have some fun with netsend back in hs too, but i'll tell you what was even better than that.

There was a guy in my computer class that thought it would be funny to put the Whack-A-Mole game which contained the NetBus trojan on all the lab computers for everyone to play. Of course everyone thought the game was cool when they played it and then couldnt figure out what the hell was going on when their cd-rom drives were opening for no reason or their mouse pointer would start moving around the screen. Once the sys admin found out about it he was livid, but it was his own fault for leaving the system open for such mischief. The kid was suspended for 3 days for it, which i think he was lucky it was only for that long considering the backdoor he opened to the schools network.

I do agree with everyone here though on your topic. The fact that you could still send a netsend to all computers on the network this day in age is ridiculous. The sys admin must be living in the 90's still.
 
Tell them you are at school to learn, and you just learned a valuable lesson about net send's usage. Because of this lesson you just learned you have simply done what you're supposed to do in school, learn, and it's all thanks to them. Therefore suspension can teach you nothing more and should be taken off the table as an option.

Yeah, it's been 10 years since I was in high school, but I've been there. Netsend spam, "nuking" the Win 95 machines of the day, borging all labs with distributed computing clients, those were the days :)
 
This is why messenger should be disabled. Not to mention as stated that the PC's be more locked down to not allow Command Prompt. Jesus man that is the worst administration I have heard of and it is in Education!
 
mctwin2kman said:
This is why messenger should be disabled. Not to mention as stated that the PC's be more locked down to not allow Command Prompt. Jesus man that is the worst administration I have heard of and it is in Education!
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What OS are we talking about? because it was disabled by SP1 on XP. The sysadmins would have had to rurn it back on.

On a ide note i would not create a sperate domain for anyone. Everyone would be on the same domain. I would create seperate network segments for teachs and apply acl's. apply gpo to lock down all student workstations. Multiple domains adds way to much administrative overhead.
 
the comps are using xp sp2 and cmd is blocked, the only access is thru .bat files.
 
In 9th grade I did a net send message saying 'testing' and it went to every computer. To make a long story short, I did not get punished, the school hired me to work for the technology department the summer going into 10th grade, and I became good friends with the network admin :)
 
lol thats classic.."net send" accross the whole network i did that at work the other day and my mgr's got mad ...."net send dustin is the gawd of dis netw0rk"
the lookson thier faces was funnyier then hell.. we have open access to everything
 
I got in serious shit a couple of days back for using the admin account to change the horrible 640x480 resolution to 1024x768 (Do you know how much of a bitch 640x480 is when programming?)

Someone gave me the password, but if the school board weren't dumb twits, they would've used something other than the initials of the school board name followed by the address of the school board building, and perhaps nobody would've found out the password.
 
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