KB comapared to bytes?

Yes.

8b = 1B
1024B = 1KB
1024KB = 1MB
1024MB = 1GB
...

But, a lot of times, base ten is used. Typically, the numbers are close enough...
 
articdomain said:
OKAY FORGIVE MY IDIOCY BUT HOW MANY BYTES WOULD BE IN 2 MEGS THEN?
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No need to shout...

Just use the info above to calculate it. If there's 1024 bytes in a kilobyte, and 1024 kilobytes in a megabyte then there are 1,048,576 bytes in a megabyte. Multiply that by two to see how many bytes are in 2MB. :D
 
articdomain said:
well you misunderstood me then cuz i was talking about the shouting not the numbers friend
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Using all caps to denote shouting isn't "CPU language", whatever that is. It's been used for far longer than computers have existed. When you're reading a book and see text that is capitalized and within quotation marks it is understood that the person quoted is shouting. The concept just carried over to BBS's and then the Internet.

It's also mentioned in one of [H]ard|Forum's rules.
 
ryan_975 said:
Using all caps to denote shouting isn't "CPU language", whatever that is. It's been used for far longer than computers have existed. When you're reading a book and see text that is capitalized and within quotation marks it is understood that the person quoted is shouting. The concept just carried over to BBS's and then the Internet.

It's also mentioned in one of [H]ard|Forum's rules.
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and you buddy have proved my point...:)


ok thanks for all the help guys have a good night:)
 
is it me or is this thread like one long, bizarre non-sequitur? :confused:
 
Kilo, mega, giga, etc are base 10, and often misused in the computing field.

kibi, mebi, gibi are the base 2 equivalents and are the "correct" use, though it's not really standardized and because of that see lots and lots of people still use kilo/mega/giga to refer to the base 2 representations.
 
Fryguy8 said:
Kilo, mega, giga, etc are base 10, and often misused in the computing field.

kibi, mebi, gibi are the base 2 equivalents and are the "correct" use, though it's not really standardized and because of that see lots and lots of people still use kilo/mega/giga to refer to the base 2 representations.
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those were only recently created becuase of the confusion that was created by hard drive manufacturers.
 
Fryguy8 said:
Kilo, mega, giga, etc are base 10, and often misused in the computing field.

kibi, mebi, gibi are the base 2 equivalents and are the "correct" use, though it's not really standardized and because of that see lots and lots of people still use kilo/mega/giga to refer to the base 2 representations.
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'Correct' is, itself, debatable. Should dictionaries be prescriptive or descriptive? Kilo is an SI measurement prefix that's intended to be applied to measurements of physical phenomena, Kibi is an IEC prefix for dealing with an abstract concept - they don't even belong to the same set of standards.

The US/Imperial measurement system is full of units that differ depending on context. The US and the UK have been the dominant forces on the world stage for centuries. SI is consistent and comes from France. QED.
 
I know very few people who actually use the "Kibi"-family prefixes. So it's only correct in the sense that IEC (apparently) decided they should be.
 
Indeed, it's a riot. People who think that they haven't met anybody who uses the standardized prefixes, so they're incorrect? That's nuts!
 
mikeblas said:
Indeed, it's a riot. People who think that they haven't met anybody who uses the standardized prefixes, so they're incorrect? That's nuts!
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I'm not sure if this comment was directed at me, but my point was that in my experience they aren't in common usage such that I consider them anywhere close to "standardized". You know, sort of like the metric system...
 
ameoba said:
'Correct' is, itself, debatable.
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Yea, the main gripe I have against these new kibi-et-al measurements is that they were constructed years after the fact.
I have been using kilobytes for all my life, and it feels unnatural and even 'wrong' to say 'kibi' now.
Also I don't see the point. Anyone knows that bytes are generally measured in powers of two rather than powers of ten (except for some clever marketing people in the harddisk industry).
 
Scali2 said:
Yea, the main gripe I have against these new kibi-et-al measurements is that they were constructed years after the fact.
I have been using kilobytes for all my life, and it feels unnatural and even 'wrong' to say 'kibi' now.p
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I understand your point as well. I have been using the Kilobyte for the majority of my life. However I think that sometimes change is not a bad thing.
Scali2 said:
Also I don't see the point. Anyone knows that bytes are generally measured in powers of two rather than powers of ten (except for some clever marketing people in the harddisk industry).
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I think the point is to be precise and consistent. Sure there are many people that know that 1 KB denotes 1024 Bytes, however it is an inconsistent usage of the metric prefix kilo. After a influential group of people -HDD manufacturers- abused this inconsistency, I think that using kibi instead of kilo is a smart choice. If people were to finally adapt it, there would be no questioning how many bytes a HDD can store.
 
drizzt81 said:
I think the point is to be precise and consistent.
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Thing is that for most of the time that computers existed, people have been using the 'wrong' measurements.
This means that there is an incredible amount of resources using these 'wrong' measurements, and it seems almost pointless to try and change things now, it just makes it confusing... especially since even now most people don't actually use the new terms, and continue using the old ones, so they exist side-by-side. It's too late to try and be consistent now.
 
Scali2 said:
Thing is that for most of the time that computers existed, people have been using the 'wrong' measurements.
This means that there is an incredible amount of resources using these 'wrong' measurements, and it seems almost pointless to try and change things now, it just makes it confusing... especially since even now most people don't actually use the new terms, and continue using the old ones, so they exist side-by-side. It's too late to try and be consistent now.
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If people thought like you do we wouldn't have the metric system that we do today. Do you realize the measurement for mass, distance, and volume have all changed several time over the past 100 years or so?
 
ryan_975 said:
If people thought like you do we wouldn't have the metric system that we do today. Do you realize the measurement for mass, distance, and volume have all changed several time over the past 100 years or so?
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That's not the same.
The metric system defines new measurements, that exist alongside the old ones.
Nobody is going to confuse a metre with a yard.
In this case we have been using special base-2 variations of 'kilo', 'mega', 'giga' etc, and now out-of-the-blue people want to say "Okay, 'kilo' no longer means 1024 in computer-related terms, it now means 1000".
Since you are using the same term, but defining a new meaning, it's going to be very hard to figure out exactly which meaning the term has in any given document. Is it written pre-or post 'kibi-era'? And did the author acknowledge or ignore the new 'kibi-era' standards?
And that's confusing.
Now, if it were the other way around... 'kibi' meaning 1000 and 'kilo' meaning 1024 as always, that'd be different. That's like metric vs imperial.
But now we have kilo that could either mean 1000 or 1024, and we've been using 1024 for so long that it's actually become the standard in daily use... so why bother with this confusion?
 
Scali2 said:
Since you are using the same term, but defining a new meaning, it's going to be very hard to figure out exactly which meaning the term has in any given document. Is it written pre-or post 'kibi-era'? And did the author acknowledge or ignore the new 'kibi-era' standards?
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"is the author a marketing representative for a hard drive company?" :p

i agree, the meaning should be kept the same. its really not all that ambiguous, with the exception of these freaking hard drive companies, kiloBYTE, gigaBYTE have an accepted and well understood meaning. the prefixes used are somewhat bastardized, but the "byte" that follows at leaves provides a good indication of the intended meaning.
 
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