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I guess it is different strokes for different folks on this one. I play CS and never could get into Halo it was just too slow and could never get used to the controls and everytime we would try to play a 4 player game of halo we would always just turn it off and hook up the N64 and play goldeneye which in my opinion is still better than halo.
But again I may not like halo becuase I like bond and CS so much better its like trying to enjoy a Honda civic after owning a BMW and Audi its not that the Civic is bad but the BMW and Audi are so much better.
But again I may not like halo becuase I like bond and CS so much better its like trying to enjoy a Honda civic after owning a BMW and Audi its not that the Civic is bad but the BMW and Audi are so much better.
In all honesty, I got into Halo because of Red vs Blue. 
I played Halo1 on XBox, but wasn't overly impressed; I dropped it kinda early. I moved into a college dorm, saw a few episodes of RvB, and fell in love with the series. A few months later, I figured- "you know what, these guys have actually done some interesting stuff. Let's see how much of it came naturally, and how much of it was actually creative genius from them." Picked it up again, and couldn't put it down. The co-op makes it amazing, but single-player is good in its own right. (Although personally, I hate the Flood levels.)
I played Halo on PC, and thought that it could've been a lot betters if the controls had been better integrated (360 controller on XP). I'm on the fence about Halo2/PC, because I'm still not a Vista fan.
That said, I pre-ordered a copy of Halo3 at the Target misprint last month, because I know that sooner or later it'll come in handy- I don't own an XBox/360 or PS2/3, and have never owned a console. I may in the future, but certainly not while they all sound like jet engines.
I played Halo1 on XBox, but wasn't overly impressed; I dropped it kinda early. I moved into a college dorm, saw a few episodes of RvB, and fell in love with the series. A few months later, I figured- "you know what, these guys have actually done some interesting stuff. Let's see how much of it came naturally, and how much of it was actually creative genius from them." Picked it up again, and couldn't put it down. The co-op makes it amazing, but single-player is good in its own right. (Although personally, I hate the Flood levels.
)I played Halo on PC, and thought that it could've been a lot betters if the controls had been better integrated (360 controller on XP). I'm on the fence about Halo2/PC, because I'm still not a Vista fan.
That said, I pre-ordered a copy of Halo3 at the Target misprint last month, because I know that sooner or later it'll come in handy- I don't own an XBox/360 or PS2/3, and have never owned a console. I may in the future, but certainly not while they all sound like jet engines.
How would Halo fare against only US sales figures? Much much better. FPS games have never been very popular outside of the US and you're comparing it against worldwide data where few FPSs have much of a chance at all to begin with. You'll notice a distinct lack of FPS games in your lists for this reason. The fact that Halo made the top 40 with with that handicap says alot. The first FPS doesn't appear until 37 with 16m sales. Halo is 40 with 14.7m. Pretty darn good.
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CS is to BMW as Halo is to Honda? It is too funny for laughter. More like Honda, Hyundai, and pick em. Honestly, I really think I'd go with CS being the Civic of gaming. A large number of people think its the cat's ass, it has lasted forever, and teenagers do annoying shit with it.
That list is laughable. Most of the Top 40 are comprised of multiple games. It doesn't even detail just exactly how many, oh say, Tom Clancy games are going into that listing. Just to be fair, they've pretty much released every Ghost Recon game until GRAW2 on PC, PS2 and Xbox.
Thats a lot larger install base than say, one underdog console.
I could care less if its the Number 1 or number 100, but if you guys are going to argue numbers make the comparisons valid.
And I would never have said it before, but I honestly do enjoy Halo's multiplayer over UT (the exception being UT99, the O.G.) and being that I don't see the point in playing UT on a console, or on this slow ass computer, it goes without saying I'll be playing H3 instead of UT3.
Sometimes frenzy paced twitch fests aren't for everyone.
Thats a lot larger install base than say, one underdog console.
I could care less if its the Number 1 or number 100, but if you guys are going to argue numbers make the comparisons valid.
And I would never have said it before, but I honestly do enjoy Halo's multiplayer over UT (the exception being UT99, the O.G.) and being that I don't see the point in playing UT on a console, or on this slow ass computer, it goes without saying I'll be playing H3 instead of UT3.
Sometimes frenzy paced twitch fests aren't for everyone.
When CS first came out some 5 years ago it was the cats ass of gaming for me it was tons better than Halo but its hard for a console to compete with a pc in the FPS world.
Thats proably the main reason for its popularity it's the best multiplayer console shooter. Halo sucks ass in comparison with most pc shooters but it's somewhat good for a console. still not as good as goldeneye though.
Uh, Goldeneye had rag doll physics on the N64. My friends and I were amazed by all the different ways the bad guys would fall after they got ventilated.
I'd been following Halo's progress since it was in development for the Mac, and I was hyped to see it come out for Xbox because, at the time, I was in no shape financially to buy a computer that would run the game.
When it came out for Xbox the graphics were stunning for its time (they still hold up well compared to anything on the PS2...the PS2 would catch on fire if it tried outputting graphics like that), the physics were great, and I personally liked the story. Throw in huge enviroments and a sense of "epicness", and a two-player co-op system that turned that game into a massive time sink, and it was an FPS fan's wet dream on a console.
To OP:
Because it's fun. I like to think of myself as a normal gamer (though the genetic analysis is not back yet) and Halo was the first FPS that I could pick up and play with any of the weapons and do well at. I didn't have to whore a certain gun to succeed, I didn't have to have the quickest reflexes, I didn't have to know all the maps. I could pick it up and have a shit ton of fun with all my friends. I for one love the story, yeah some of it is stupid, yea the 2nd dropped the ball big time, but for fucks sake it killing alien baddies and that's what counts, killing things unlike ourselves! The Co-Op is what made it so popular but the lan parties is what made it last.
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Who cares what the sales numbers are/were? Not exactly on topic and more over if you are going to argue numbers then put them into perspective somewhat. Halo had a HUGE attach rate per console. I will never base my calculation of "fun" upon sales numbers and that's what this topic should be about, why or why not you don't like Halo.
Because it's fun. I like to think of myself as a normal gamer (though the genetic analysis is not back yet) and Halo was the first FPS that I could pick up and play with any of the weapons and do well at. I didn't have to whore a certain gun to succeed, I didn't have to have the quickest reflexes, I didn't have to know all the maps. I could pick it up and have a shit ton of fun with all my friends. I for one love the story, yeah some of it is stupid, yea the 2nd dropped the ball big time, but for fucks sake it killing alien baddies and that's what counts, killing things unlike ourselves! The Co-Op is what made it so popular but the lan parties is what made it last.
To Everyone Else:
Who cares what the sales numbers are/were? Not exactly on topic and more over if you are going to argue numbers then put them into perspective somewhat. Halo had a HUGE attach rate per console. I will never base my calculation of "fun" upon sales numbers and that's what this topic should be about, why or why not you don't like Halo.
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Wait wait wait wait wait....
....but those "drunk guys" must've liked the game.
And I reiterate, it's popular because people LIKE IT. This is more for the people who are throwing out the "Halo sucks, no one likes it it's allll marketing" bullshit:
People like it, that's the fact. It doesn't matter how much you or anyone else HATES it. What matters is the people that DO like it. Which, sorry to tell you, they outnumber you greatly.
I could understand if the thread was "Why is Halo so UNpopular" and then I'd say, "well, the game must suck, and people don't like it".
The fact is this: people don't play a game if they find it boring or "sucky". Simple as that. Millions of people love the game, and while saying the game sucks is an opinion, that's just NOT the average opinion of the game game. Again, the whole "it's all marketing" bullshit is exactly that: BULLSHIT. People don't play games that suck to them.
Whoops. You're right. I didn't catch that you two were arguing most popular franchise period.
In which case, of course Halo is going to lose, because it launched in 2001 on one system, has since spread to one other system, the PC, and has yet to launch it's third title on it's 3rd system.
That list tallied up franchise titles that have been in existence since the late 80's. I should have read the original argument better, it was pointless to begin with. Halo could never topple Mario or Pokemon.
So reading comprehension FTL on my part, but relevant arguments FTW for everybody arguing sales numbers as indicators of whether or not something is fun. I give a shit if it sells 2 copies if I'm having fun with whatever it is.
This is a good point. While sales can be an indicator of a good game look at games like madden. EA could take a shit in a box put whoever is currently popular in the NFL on the cover and still outsell great games like Shadow of Colossus, Okami. Sales are simply not the best indicator of a quality game. Halo 3 is popular because a lot of people have had fun playing it. That may be because they are noobs and have never played an online first person shooter, whatever that argument make no sense Im sure I've been gaming as long as some people on this board have been alive and I'm sure there are people who have been gaming as long as I've been alive. The argument that Halo sucks because Counterstrike or UT is better makes no sense either. While you may like counterstrike better this is probably because you've probably had a lot of fun playing it. Hell I love to play Duke Nukem and the first GTA multiplayer because of the memories it brings back of me an my friends first lan parties.
Halo is awesome because it bring something different to the table for us its an instant lan party no need to bring 4 computers and set everything up then play for 4-5 hours before getting bored and doing something else. We can just jump in play for as long or short as we want have a great time then stop. When its lan party time if we quit early it seems like a huge waste of effort.
Thats just my opinion
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I think this gets it right there. The only other games I've played with a co-op feel as fun as Halo have been the Timesplitter Series and Gears of War.
That wasn't my point. Someone stated that it was the most successful FPS franchise, I proved him wrong, it was as simple as that and I wasn't trying to make any other point.
To save you the page flip the 3 FPS franchises that have sold better than Halo are: Half Life, Medal of Honor, and Tom Clancy games
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I have always been a PC gamer and by nature I am a very competitative person. So, when all of my friends bought an original xbox and halo I just had to have one also. The main reason I played Halo1 and halo2 is because all of my non tech savy friends play it. I played the Halo 3 beta and absolutley loved it. Really looking forward to the official release of it.
Halo is so popular because it's the next best thing to fps on the PC.
Halo is so popular because it's the next best thing to fps on the PC.
I would agree with that, really for pc gamers Halo isn't anything special, but if your like console shooters then Halo is pretty good, although I greatly prefer Counter-Strike on the pc.
So Halo isn't anything special on the PC... but Counter-Strike is?
Boom.....
Headshot.
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So Halo isn't anything special on the PC... but Counter-Strike is?
The hype for this franchise is ridiculous, Sites and TV shows citing the release day for Halo 3 as the biggest day in gaming history? What the fuck?
I saw some fanboy on G4techTV(That Kevin dude) and he was talking about the Crysis demo being released the same day as H3 and that EA must be retarded because nobody would play it. Most Halo fans are exactly like this, they go apeshit when you say how generic and bland the series is, with no arguement but "you're a fanboy".
Halo is a great console shooter, nothing more. This game was released on the Xbox because the game would have been panned over completely by the PC community, since it was completely changed, and all of the cool shit was stripped out(seems like Bungie is making Halo Wars which is more in line with the original concept).
Not quite sure why people flame the game so much though. I couldn't care less if someone like's it and actually thinks the game is good. It must be that such a mediocre game is so popular that pisses people off.
And for the Halo, CS argument.. They both have incredibly shitty, fanboy communities the argument is moot. One isn't better then the other because they are both somewhat crappy, and for whatever reason extremely popular.
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Well technically it is. No game has ever sold as much as Halo 3 will on day one... and it's looking like it will do more revenue than the biggest film ever did at box office on day one too.
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Halo series has gone the way the ipods/nokias/David Beckhams Haircut/lynx deodorant have...... Theres better out there but were in a world where humans are easily brainwashed. Those constant halo players you have my deepest sympathy, there is so much better out there!
Dude I had no idea that David Beckams haircut and lynx deodorant were the newest fads. Time to go to the barber and the store..
Halo 3 might earn the hype....maybe.
First, you are confusing present and future tense.
Second, you say technically like it is fact, yet it hasn't happened yet... wtf?
Third, I doubt it will beat the current champion, WoW:BC with 2.7 million copies sold in 24 hours (for comparison, Halo has sold only 5 million copies TOTAL to date)
...and finally... you couldn't sound more like a fanboy
What's your reference to the 5 million number? I found an article that mentions 5 million back in March 2004, do you have a link to prove that it's still at that mark?
http://www.eurogamer.net/article.php?article_id=57333
It is stated on this wikipedia page with a citation to a bungie page from November '06 which is now a link to an article that no longer exists.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Best_selling_games
(click xbox, Halo is in the list of best selling xbox games, with 5 million units sold, which is cited at the bottom of the page)
I don't have a link but i did see it on the news that the wow expansion sold like 2 million in the first day breaking all gaming release records. But I don't remember the pre-orders being as crazy and halo 3's is.
Halo fans vs WoW fans now that would be a gay ass fight to watch but I'd love to see it.
Halo fans vs WoW fans now that would be a gay ass fight to watch but I'd love to see it.
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Couldn't give a shit how I sound buddy.
Firstly - Comment on my English if you like, but there's nothing wrong with my sentence as a prediction.
Secondly - Current numbers have Halo 2 on about 8 million copies and Halo on 6 million copies. I'll just get that out of the way first.
Thirdly - We know that as of about a month ago Halo 3 had over 1 million in pre-orders in the US alone (http://www.gamesindustry.biz/content_page.php?aid=27533) to become the fastest selling pre-ordered video game in history. That includes WoW, which incidentally sold 1.2 million copies in the US on day one (http://www.vivendi.com/ir/en/press_...ng_Crusade_Shatters_Day1_Sales_Record_new.php). I have no doubt at all that Halo 3 is well past that at this stage given it's been sat on or near the top of most game charts for the last few weeks.
Current industry predictions are expecting Halo 3 to outdo Spiderman's $151 million box office opening day with around $155 million. They did $125 million with Halo 2.
So there's the reasoning behind my prediction - fanboy or not.
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When I look at Half Life, Medal of Honor, and Tom Clancy games, I think to myself, "Hmm...those games have been around since the mid to late nineties and have had more time to sell than Halo, which just so happened to come out in 2001". That and there are only 2 Halo games thus far (4 if you count each one for the PC...5 if you also figure in the Mac edition)
Yes, Half-Life has more sales than Halo when you factor in the multiple platforms it's been on and it's sequels/expansions:
Half Life 1
Half-Life: Opposing Force; standalone
Half-Life: Blue Shift
Counter-Strike
Team Fortress Classic
Deathmatch Classic
Ricochet
Day of Defeat
Half-Life 2
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Yes MOH has more sales than Halo when you factor in all of these:
PC
* Medal of Honor: Allied Assault - (Linux, Windows)
* Medal of Honor: Spearhead (Allied Assault Expansion Pack) - (Windows)
* Medal of Honor: Breakthrough (Allied Assault Expansion Pack) - (Windows)
* Medal of Honor: Pacific Assault - (Windows)
* Medal of Honor: Airborne - (Windows)
Mac
* Medal of Honor: Allied Assault - (Mac OS X, MacOS9)
* Medal of Honor: Spearhead (Allied Assault Expansion Pack) - (Mac OS X, MacOS9)
* Medal of Honor: Breakthrough (Allied Assault Expansion Pack) - (Mac OS X, MacOS9)
Xbox
* Medal of Honor: Frontline
* Medal of Honor: Rising Sun
* Medal of Honor: European Assault
Xbox 360
* Medal of Honor: Airborne
PlayStation
* Medal of Honor
* Medal of Honor: Underground
PlayStation 2
* Medal of Honor: Frontline
* Medal of Honor: Rising Sun
* Medal of Honor: European Assault
* Medal of Honor: Vanguard
PlayStation 3
* Medal of Honor: Airborne
[edit] PlayStation Portable
* Medal of Honor: Heroes
* Medal of Honor: Heroes 2
GameCube
* Medal of Honor: Frontline
* Medal of Honor: Rising Sun
* Medal of Honor: European Assault
Wii
* Medal of Honor: Vanguard
* Medal of Honor: Heroes 2
Game Boy Advance
* Medal of Honor: Underground
* Medal of Honor: Infiltrator
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Yes, Tom Clancy games have sold better when you factor in these titles AND the separate systems they've been released for:
Tom Clancy's Ghost Recon
Tom Clancy's Ghost Recon: Advanced Warfighter
Tom Clancy's Ghost Recon: Desert Siege
Tom Clancy's Ghost Recon: Gold Edition
Tom Clancy's Ghost Recon: Island Thunder
Tom Clancy's Rainbow Six 3: Athena Sword
Tom Clancy's Rainbow Six 3: Raven Shield
Tom Clancy's Rainbow Six Rogue Spear Platinum Pack
Tom Clancy's Rainbow Six: Black Thorn
Tom Clancy's Rainbow Six: Las Vegas
Tom Clancy's Rainbow Six: Lockdown
Tom Clancy's Rainbow Six: Rogue Spear Platinum Pack
Tom Clancy's Rainbow Six: Rogue Spear Platinum Pack
Tom Clancy's Splinter Cell
Tom Clancy's Splinter Cell: Chaos Theory
Tom Clancy's Splinter Cell Double Agent
Tom Clancy's Splinter Cell: Pandora Tomorrow
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My point is this: these games have been around longer, they have WAY more sequels and/or expansions than Halo will likely ever have, AND they are on release for multiple systems and platforms (console, pc, mac), as to where Halo is only on xbox and pc.
By the time Halo has been around for 10-15 years, expect it to likely have had a record spot in game/franchise/FPS sales.
Couldn't give a shit how I sound buddy.
That is your loss, people judge you on how you sound.
Except that it was stated as fact, and not as a prediction...
I have a reference to show that halo has sold 5 million copies as recent as 10 months ago, I have already posted it, can you do better? Also, I never mentioned Halo 2...
The WoW EXPANSION (as I said) sold 2.7 (not 1.2) million copies on day one, and I can cite that as well.
Try again.
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I wonder how many copies of halo 3 would be sold if it was launched multiplatform like UT3!!
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Well, I really don't care how people judge me - That's their issue, not mine. Please feel free to trawl through my posting history if you want to judge me further. I'm guessing you chose not to mention Halo 2 because it doesn't fit with your agenda... perhaps it's easier to ignore that it sold more than as the WoW expansion did worldwide (check the Vivendi press release I linked you) on day one in the US alone?
[Edit - Here's the vivendi press release again for you: http://www.vivendi.com/ir/en/press_...ng_Crusade_Shatters_Day1_Sales_Record_new.php ]
[Edit - Here's the vivendi press release again for you: http://www.vivendi.com/ir/en/press_...ng_Crusade_Shatters_Day1_Sales_Record_new.php ]
Psychotext, you didn't discredit anything I said... are you even arguing any valid point of mine, or just reiterating your own. I don't disagree with anything you posted in that last post, it does not conflict with anything I have said...
In fact, you proved what I said and disproved what you said... you quote an article saying WoW:BC sold 2.4 million on day one, (it is actually 2.7) when in your last post you argued that it sold 1.2 million units on its first day...
WoW: BC sold 2.7 million copies on day one... CITED, stop arguing
In fact, you proved what I said and disproved what you said... you quote an article saying WoW:BC sold 2.4 million on day one, (it is actually 2.7) when in your last post you argued that it sold 1.2 million units on its first day...
WoW: BC sold 2.7 million copies on day one... CITED, stop arguing
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Why don't you actually read the text?In fact, you proved what I said and disproved what you said... you quote an article saying WoW:BC sold 2.4 million on day one, when in your last post you argued that it sold 1.2 million units on its first day...
Psychotext said:
Press Release said:
Press Release said: