Love your socket 754?

Unknown-One said:
A 3600+ would bring it down to around $200...I'm tempted now :p
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This should tempt you more. This is on air (Freezer 64 Pro), I'm sure with a bigger heatsink you could go farther. Stock voltages as well. This went a full 24 hours too. It's rock solid.

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Uhm, you only have it at 2.47GHz :p (I've heard it's easy to hit around 3.0GHz on the 3600+, any truth to that?)

Edit: Also, remind me never to buy a Freezer 64 Pro, seeing 52c on a 65nm chip running at only 1.3v is insane. I don't push over 42c on my 90nm chip at 1.6v :eek:
 
I'd be willing to be that the temp issue is not because of the Freezer 64, but in that its either not seated properly, or more likely, his motherboard is reporting temps wrong. I have my 3600+ at 2.53 at stock volts with one and I only see 43c under load. I didn't see more than 48c with my 3700+ Clawhammer at 2.6, with a few voltage bumps over stock, when I was trying to squeeze more out of it.
 
Priced it out, and an upgrade comes out to about $260.

Athlon 64 X2 3800+ . . $65
2GB of DDR2 . . . . . . .$80
Abit KN9 SLI Mobo . . .$99

I'm tempted to pull the trigger because the 3800+ could disappear from Newegg any day now, and the RAM could go back up in price...then again, do I reeeaaaaly need it?

Decisions, decisions...
 
Nuc_E said:
I'd be willing to be that the temp issue is not because of the Freezer 64, but in that its either not seated properly, or more likely, his motherboard is reporting temps wrong. I have my 3600+ at 2.53 at stock volts with one and I only see 43c under load. I didn't see more than 48c with my 3700+ Clawhammer at 2.6, with a few voltage bumps over stock, when I was trying to squeeze more out of it.
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I'm fairly certain it's on there...but I can check. I did have some initial problems with the Abit BIOS not reporting correct temps at all-but they released an updated one that was supposed to fix it. I'll have to look into it.

*Keep in mind I live in Phoenix, so it's not the coolest place to overclock.

Here is a pic of the system if anyone wants to look: www.georgegibson.net/comp/lanbox.jpg
 
Yeah, I guess that would affect things also :).

The Freezer 64 pro is kinda a pain to get seated correctly. The retention clip isn't the greatest. The copper plate is just slightly smaller than the heatspreader on the CPU, and some people have noticed that you won't get as good of temps if the plate isn't exactly centered on the heatspreader.

I really like it though. Its one big SOB, and fairly quiet, that's for sure.
 
You've got me thinking now....I'll have to check it tonight. It didn't go on as easily as it did with my S754 mobo. I also have a Zalman I'll have to try. I also bought another 3600 Bris and a TForce 7025...but anyway. Back to 7-5-4!
 
Unknown-One said:
Uhm, you only have it at 2.47GHz :p (I've heard it's easy to hit around 3.0GHz on the 3600+, any truth to that?)

Edit: Also, remind me never to buy a Freezer 64 Pro, seeing 52c on a 65nm chip running at only 1.3v is insane. I don't push over 42c on my 90nm chip at 1.6v :eek:
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I stopped due to temps and the fact that 2.47 was good enough for me. I've seen many people around 2.8-3GHz from my research on the whole wrong temps issue.
 
Yeah - if you want any 754 stuff about all you can do is hit ebay. I just picked up a new MSI Neo3 mobo for $19.95 + shipping ($14.95 - almost as much as the mobo!). Turns out I didn't need it after all but at least I have a spare in case I need it - or an alternative to this Abit NV8 if I get a wild hair up. The 3000+ system I just built is using an ECS mobo, Crucial Ballistix ram (2x512) an Ultra case with 500w psu, a Sapphire (ATI) X1550 PCI-e vide card. and a 16x DVD/48X CD burner. Its running at 260x10 which is really crazy since it wouldn't go over 250x10 in my sig system. It would do 290x9 in the sig system but won't go that high in the ECS system - go figure. So for a little over $300 I have a great little CAD/print server/data archive machine for work.
 
Just a quick last word on the 3600 Bris-I removed and cleaned the Freezer 64 with the AS cleaning kit, and reapplied AS after checking everything-it's on there, and it's making good contact. I think the Abit temps are too high. Go figure. Funny thing is temps are high on my Tforce 7025 too. *shrugs

Anyway-back to 754-the processor that DOESN'T have temp issues.
 
Just picked up an 8800GTS, installed it, and I'm downloading drivers now. I'll post benchmarks later tonight.

Saw them going fro $236 (After $20 rebate) in the hot deals section and couldn't resist :D
 
Initial reactions are very positive, I've been having fun readjusting the settings in all of my games. My only real complaint so far is that it was a bitch to install (had to flip all my hard disks back around, so my wire management is now craptastic), and that the new Nvidia driver control panel gets crashy after nHancer is installed (not like it matters, nHancer and RivaTuner have more functionality anyway).

I'm glad I didn't spend my money on a system upgrade, I can assure you that if you really crank the settings you can still make yourself GPU limited on a s754 system with an 8800GTS. To give you an idea, Oblivion running at 1680x1050 + 16xAA + 16xAF + HDR can dip down into the 12FPS zone in certain situations; same area with AA turned down to 4x and I never dip below 40FPS (oh, and HDR + AA is awesome!)

I also got one of the new core revisions, so it's overclocking like a beast. I haven't got it maxed out yet, but I have the core up to 650MHz (stock 500MHz), and the memory up to 1700MHz (stock 1600MHz), and I still have a shit-ton of overclocking headroom :eek:

I'll post up hard numbers, time demos, benchmarks, etc up in a little bit.

Edit: 12,000 points in 3DMark 05, and 6,500 in 3DMark 06 at the clocks listed above. Slightly below-average numbers (probably due to a slight CPU bottleneck), but I never saw a single dip below 30FPS on the canyon flight demo in 3DMark 06, which is proof enough for me that the whole "CPU limited" argument is total BS for current games.
 
I'm so wary of rebates but I could really go for one at that price. I've been watching the 8800GTS hoping it falls more since it's the biggest I could possibly fit in my case and probably the last upgrade that would make sense for my system. I am disappointed by the 8600GTS' lack of improvement/potential over my current card with Vista and Directx10 gaming seriously the last thing I'm worried about in a video card right now. My 7600GT gets pretty choppy at 1600x1200 in Perfect World especially in the bloated cities. I can stand 1280x960 (my desktop resolution) no problem but maxing out my monitor would be nice for a change. Oh yeah and that mythical AA/AF that people talk about and I never tasted.;)
 
At high resolutions you won't see much more with an 8600GTS. But at 1280x1024 you're golden. That's why I bought it. I was running a 7600GT. High res I'd go for a 8800GTS.
 
There's still hope for us yet, just loaded up the Bioshock demo and it runs perfectly with all settings maxed out. Just make sure you can get your single core up to between 2.4 and 2.6GHz, and you'll be good to go.

Yup, you heard that right, an Unreal-Engine-3 game runs flawlessly on a s754 system...I wonder how long we'll be able to hold on to these, Bioshock performs surprisingly well for a next gen game, which bodes well for all games based on the new Unreal engine :)
 
Unknown-One said:
There's still hope for us yet, just loaded up the Bioshock demo and it runs perfectly with all settings maxed out. Just make sure you can get your single core up to between 2.4 and 2.6GHz, and you'll be good to go.

Yup, you heard that right, an Unreal-Engine-3 game runs flawlessly on a s754 system...I wonder how long we'll be able to hold on to these, Bioshock performs surprisingly well for a next gen game, which bodes well for all games based on the new Unreal engine :)
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That's good to hear man. Long live s754! :D
 
Unknown-One said:
There's still hope for us yet, just loaded up the Bioshock demo and it runs perfectly with all settings maxed out. Just make sure you can get your single core up to between 2.4 and 2.6GHz, and you'll be good to go.

Yup, you heard that right, an Unreal-Engine-3 game runs flawlessly on a s754 system...I wonder how long we'll be able to hold on to these, Bioshock performs surprisingly well for a next gen game, which bodes well for all games based on the new Unreal engine :)
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If you've got a Venice skt 754 cpu 2.4 is a piece of cake. I built a new work system and put a used ECS nF4 4x chipset mobo in it with my slower 3000+ Venice cpu and stock AMD hsf. The primary IDE controller is bad so I'm running the hdd and DVD/CD drive of the secondary controller. I put in a Sapphire X1550 PCI-e video card in it and 1 gb of DDR400 Crucial Ballistix. The thing will hit 260x10 max but atm I've got it set at 250x10 and its rock solid. Plays HL/all versions of HL2 and FEAR no sweat. Its good to hear that the old reliable skt 754 still plays the newer games with a good video card. I'm keeping my 3 skt 754 systems as long as I can. :D
 
Hey guys; I'm a 754 loyalist and I guess I found a place to compare notes. I've got 3 754 rigs one with a 3700 claw on a kv8 pro @ 2.6 The other 2 rigs are a 3000 venice on an ECS and a 3400 on a MSI both of those two are on m-atx's with no pci locks or much oc room.

Question is; I picked up a 4000 athlon (Newrk right?) mobile from a chap whom thought that anything less than C2D was beneath him Nice proc @2.6, low voltage, big L2 cache.. great oc, yada yada yada... so does anyone know a motherboard that boots it up? the KV8PRO won't post and the ECS thinks it's a 800 mhz duron despite new bios and adjusting all over.

I need a m-atx with agp that people have booted up and made to work. Any suggestions??
 
That biostar board is the ticket I guess.. looky here:

http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?t=89825

But the rub is I have an x1950pro512k AGP. Bummer... I'm like an anolog man stuck in a digital world. The other 2 machines have x800xtpe's doin the rendering chores. All agp all 754 all the time... It looks like the M-ATX solotion with agp is MSI and their K8MM-V. It is only one I find with agp touting full turion support by the manufacturer.

I appreciate the link and that is the a tasty board.. doubt the MSI has agp /pci lock or is much of an enthusiast tuner, but without having to buy a pci-e card as well... MSI has embraced that turion and even sells a little heat spreader to lid em with, as well as putting the turion logo right on the box. Safest bet so far.
 
A DFI nForce4 4X board will work. I spoke with an AMD tech awhile back and she was running a Newark in a DFI mobo. I've been tempted to try that combo myself.
As for a PCI-e video card - check out the Sapphire (ATI) X1550 at Newegg. I got one for $50 minus a $10 mail in rebate. Yes, its ony a 4 pixel pipeline card but it runs HL, all versions of HL2 and FEAR decently. Even without the rebate its a good value in my book.
 
I'll keep an eye out for one of the DFI's. In the meantime I found that MSI for 24 bucks intown. I'm gonna rig it up for now and see what it'll do then decide if it is worth pushing over to a more enthusiast platform. I was hoping to get it to 2.8 stable and on air then mate up the x1950 pro.

Thanks for the info.. the DFI site didn't really confirm Turion support, so that input from the techie certaily helps.

Anyone have one of these 4000's?? and what kind of stable oc did it do?
 
As far as motherboards go, I'm still rather partial to the EPoX 8NPA-SLI :D

It's a rather nice board, it'll run the 4000+, SLI support, lots of tweak able options, decent overclocking ability, Nforce 4 chipset, the works...if you can still find one. They used to go for $50 on newegg, but I can't find them for less than $80 at shady websites now days.

*sigh* sad to see the socket go down the tubes, it still has life left in it, but the hardware is becoming unavailable, and fast. The only reason there's still an abundance of s754 processors is because the socket was widely used in laptops, and the life cycle of a laptop computer is generally longer than a desktop.
 
was that one of the boards that had SLI but not official SLI support and Nvidia was peeved at Epox for? or was it "official" SLI. Those are nice boards.. If I remember the layout was good as well. I'll keep an eye out for one of those if they pop up again. Ebay perhaps.

Technically 754 outlived 939 in actual production run I think. AMD was too fast in socket changes..754/939/am2 bam bam bam. IMO thier big mistake was forcing consumers over to AM2 for the better X-2 cpu's at the same time C2D was looking really nice. In my understanding a lower clocked 754 sempy or 3000 athlon will clock better than an AM2 because at those clocks they can't overcome the higher ddr2 memory latency.?? Long live 754.
 
I'll hang onto mine as long as I can, With the performance my 3400+ Venice is giving me it should last a couple more years at least. I've learned a lot about overclocking with s754. IMO the nForce 4 4x/PCI-e mobos and Venice cpu's added a good bit of longevity to the Old Reliable platform.
 
No hurry here either. My 754's handle BF2, especially the L2 pig Clawhammer. Quake wars is reportedly tailored to not be a machine crusher (24 player maps) and this thread talked about Bioshock/754 playability. Crysis might be troublesome but who knows; the multiplayer side might bite anyways.

I think our systems could hold out a bit longer as game makers slow down making insane system requirement games due to the smaller market for them. A vast majority of people have a Dell, Gateway, or such with feeble onboard graphics. BF2142 is great with a decent clocked 754 and a decent graphics card. With an X-2 and onboard graphics... eeesh.

A few more years for this system in any event. Only a really aggressively priced Barcelona might tempt me but then I might want to hold out for AM3 and Dozer or whatever. My 14 year old will get the Clawhammer/x1950Pro and do monkeyflips. I adore my 754's and couldn't be unfaithful easily.
 
Not sure what you mean. Page 100's 1st post was dated 01-03-2006 @ 12:45 AM. This thread started on page 1 - not page 100 - therefore we have reached our 200th page. Personally I'm glad people are still posting in here. I get bored reading all the arguing about C2D vs. Barcelona/Phenom, ad nauseum. We talk about what matters in here - helping each other get the most from our systems. This thread is the way the whole forum should operate.
 
BigMacAttack said:
Not sure what you mean. Page 100's 1st post was dated 01-03-2006 @ 12:45 AM. This thread started on page 1 - not page 100 - therefore we have reached our 200th page. Personally I'm glad people are still posting in here. I get bored reading all the arguing about C2D vs. Barcelona/Phenom, ad nauseum. We talk about what matters in here - helping each other get the most from our systems. This thread is the way the whole forum should operate.
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This is page 100 for me also.

I think it depends on your settings/preferences for the forum.

Still cool either way!!
 
Shottglass628 said:
was that one of the boards that had SLI but not official SLI support and Nvidia was peeved at Epox for? or was it "official" SLI. Those are nice boards.. If I remember the layout was good as well. I'll keep an eye out for one of those if they pop up again. Ebay perhaps.

Technically 754 outlived 939 in actual production run I think. AMD was too fast in socket changes..754/939/am2 bam bam bam. IMO thier big mistake was forcing consumers over to AM2 for the better X-2 cpu's at the same time C2D was looking really nice. In my understanding a lower clocked 754 sempy or 3000 athlon will clock better than an AM2 because at those clocks they can't overcome the higher ddr2 memory latency.?? Long live 754.
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AM2 procs can clock very high depending on the core. My 3600 Brisbane has done a 600MHz clock (2.5 from 1.9) with no problems. There are reports/reviews of this chip going to 3Ghz. But 754 gives you performance on the cheap. You guys have got me interested in the Newark now. I'm off to go do some research.

*Looks like Newark is San Diego on the 754 package. What do you guys think?
 
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