8800GTS slower than 7900GS

Spazilton said:
Do you ever have anything nice to say? You seem to do nothing but spit venom at everyone. I'm sorry that last post just crossed the line in my opinion, combined with your posting in the PSP firmware thread, I just reported your post.
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Disliking my opinions about the money I spent is a pretty poor reason to take that sort of action. You could have just posted an opinion rather than crapping in a thread with "haha I told on you since you're a meanie". At the very least, you could have just hit the report button in the vain hopes that you disliking me was an infringement on my part and left it at that.

How much more FPS would it give me if my game is limited to 30fps by my graphics card rather than playing at 3x1 resolution with stick figure graphics? Even if I had an 8800gtx, I highly doubt a system would ever drop below 50 fps when paired with a p4, under any conditions.

I had to learn the hard way (through all the misinformation on the internet), that a cpu upgrade is never necessary (provided you already have a p4/A64, but is more of an "I have the best video card on the market and I still have money to shit".

I do still feel fortunate because other people have it worse. When I see sigs with gaming rigs comprised of a 3ghz C2D paired up with a 7600gt/8600gt, I immediately ask myself who's the asshole in the general hardware forum that f'd up your build?
 
Monkey_feces said:
Disliking my opinions about the money I spent is a pretty poor reason to take that sort of action. You could have just posted an opinion rather than crapping in a thread with "haha I told on you since you're a meanie". At the very least, you could have just hit the report button in the vain hopes that you disliking me was an infringement on my part and left it at that.
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I don't think he took that action as a result of disliking your opinion. If anything, it was probably because your post sounded like it was made by a 12-year old with Tourette's Syndrome.

Monkey_feces said:
I had to learn the hard way (through all the misinformation on the internet), that a cpu upgrade is never necessary (provided you already have a p4/A64, but is more of an "I have the best video card on the market and I still have money to shit".

I do still feel fortunate because other people have it worse. When I see sigs with gaming rigs comprised of a 3ghz C2D paired up with a 7600gt/8600gt, I immediately ask myself who's the asshole in the general hardware forum that f'd up your build?
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:rolleyes: Yes, everyone else is wrong and you know all. How short-sighted of us. Any time spent testing SupCom to show it was more CPU-intensive vice GPU was a waste of time when your P4 HT would smoke any Dual/Quad Core system out there. :rolleyes:
 
Prove you're at least semi literate by reading my posts. Since when did I say all of you were wrong. It's just that people like you, who think they represent everyone spam "OMGZ UR PROCESSOR IS WEAKZ0rS to the top", until sound advice gets buried. Secondly, I'm not saying that my p4 smoked all c2ds, I'm saying it didn't get the uber frames I was promised.

I should have suspected something whenever I asked, "how many frames can I expect", then receiving "You're definitely being botlenekked UPGRADE NOW", then asking again, "how many frames should I expect?", then receiving the answer "yep a c2d will totally pwn your blast furnace of a p4", then asking "how many frames will I get?", then receiving "OMG 3ghz on a c2d with +100 volts!", then asking "how many frames will I get", then receiving, "yep, you will definitely get a big performance increase", then asking "how many frames will I get", then receiving, "hahahhaha n00bz0r intel shite inside logo ♥♥♥♥ even beet my athlon lololololoololollllol!".

Of course my statements were subjective, I have never played supcom. I have played numerous games and I saw no difference in performance. I have even displayed the frames via console command for most, and still saw no difference since I prefer vsync.

12 year old with tourettes syndrome is a very likely possibility. However, his action was still childish.
 
Monkey_feces said:
So you're saying that if I overclock my cpu just 300 more mhz to an e6600, I'll get that 20 fps I was promised? I call bullshit. Even then, it's gonna consume more power as an overclocked DC processor, defeating the main advantage of my crappy upgrade. I run torrents 24-7, legal one's of course, why else would I run torrents 24-7?

I shouldn't have listened to enthusiasts touting C2D as a "must have upgrade" (FUCK YOU ANANDTECH.COM, FUCK YOUR "FAKEMARKS", 20 MORE FPS WITH EVERYTHING TURNED DOWN TRICKED ME YOU COCK SUCKERS). My old p4 was great at multitasking with its HT and it performed just as well as my C2D even on the source engine provided I was playing at 1600x1200 or lower.
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You are not very inclined in computers are you?

Your 7900gt is what is holding you back. Do I have to repeat it again? Who told you core 2 duo was going to give you 20 more fps than your old cpu? That would really depend on the game first of all and you shouldn't listen to anyone who tells you anything. If you had any wit you would take it with grain of salt. I can see by your words of expression that you don't have any wit at all.

7900gt is really a 1280x1024 at max on newer games. Some games more. A combination of CPU and Video card gets you faster frame rates not just CPU. :rolleyes:
 
Monkey_feces said:
Prove you're at least semi literate by reading my posts. Since when did I say all of you were wrong. It's just that people like you, who think they represent everyone spam "OMGZ UR PROCESSOR IS WEAKZ0rS to the top", until sound advice gets buried. Secondly, I'm not saying that my p4 smoked all c2ds, I'm saying it didn't get the uber frames I was promised.
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Likewise - point out one single post where I've spammed "OMGZ uR C|>u 5u><or5!!!oneone". Is a 3GHz P4 with HT completely worthless? Hell no - my bro-in-law is still gaming with an Athlon XP 2500+. (Albeit a bit slowly...) :p To be honest, I'd attribute the OPs unhappiness to proper driver removal and reinstall. 3DMark is only good for verification that a system's performance level is up-to-par. Take results - compare to others with the same CPU/Vid. However, if he wants to bump up performance any further, an upgrade to a GeForce 9xxx card later this year isn't going to yield any improvements.
 
Monkey_feces said:
Prove you're at least semi literate by reading my posts. Since when did I say all of you were wrong. It's just that people like you, who think they represent everyone spam "OMGZ UR PROCESSOR IS WEAKZ0rS to the top", until sound advice gets buried. Secondly, I'm not saying that my p4 smoked all c2ds, I'm saying it didn't get the uber frames I was promised.

I should have suspected something whenever I asked, "how many frames can I expect", then receiving "You're definitely being botlenekked UPGRADE NOW", then asking again, "how many frames should I expect?", then receiving the answer "yep a c2d will totally pwn your blast furnace of a p4", then asking "how many frames will I get?", then receiving "OMG 3ghz on a c2d with +100 volts!", then asking "how many frames will I get", then receiving, "yep, you will definitely get a big performance increase", then asking "how many frames will I get", then receiving, "hahahhaha n00bz0r intel shite inside logo &#9829;&#9829;&#9829;&#9829; even beet my athlon lololololoololollllol!".

Of course my statements were subjective, I have never played supcom. I have played numerous games and I saw no difference in performance. I have even displayed the frames via console command for most, and still saw no difference since I prefer vsync.

12 year old with tourettes syndrome is a very likely possibility. However, his action was still childish.
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This situation is different. The boy has 8800GTS. A 8800gts would love a core 2 duo. A p4 would totally hamper its performance.

Yes there are some people here who don't know what they are talking about but there are some that does. You should have done some research of your own instead of listening to someone you don't even know.
 
Both Hard forum and anandtech influenced my decision with link after link to anandtech benchmarks. They were all like "WTFPWN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! 20 FPS DIFFERENCE!?!?!?!?!?!?". Being the hopeless newb I am who just stumbled upon hardware forums trying to install a dvd drive I got from newegg, I believed them.

A p4 will hamper his performance, but can you state a realistic estimate to exactly how much? What's 80 fps on 1280x1024 when vsync limits it to 60, and makes the picture cleaner (for me, vsync is a must). What's 15 fps in call of juarez dx10 1600x1200 when the c2d will also produce 15fps.

There will be a time when the last generation of single cores will limit frames to sluggy choppiness, but for now, the video card will do just fine for that task. Kyle stated (paraphrased) that the video card will bottleneck way before decent p4/a64 does in an article. Too bad I followed the WTFPWNAGE 20 FPS FUCK YEAAAAAA!!!!! anandtech crap rather than not shit my money away unnecessarily.
 
Jeez, have you ever thought that Vsync which limits it to 60 fps is why your not getting higher frames? :rolleyes:
 
Why would it matter? To most of us (without mental disorders or obsessive compulsions), 60 fps is liquid smooth and produces a cleaner image (w/ vsync IMO).
 
Depends on the game... A p4/A64 certainly won't keep an 8800gtx below 60 fps for any game (supreme command may be an exception, haven't play it, but that would seem a bit extreme).
If it happens, it was the gtx's fault.
 
Thats not what I asked. is YOUR system, your actual system that you use keeping a solid 60 FPS? If it is...I don't get what the problem is.
 
Monkey_feces said:
Stop feeding him with misinformation. His cpu sucks yes, but it doesn't suck so much that it would limit an 8800gts to a 7900gs. Hell, I don't think his cpu would limit him in resolutions less than 1600x1200. I'm still regretting my e6300 purchase since my prescott p4 w/ ht would still handle all my games at 1280x1024. Fuck the people who made me think it was a dinosaur holding me back from 20 more fps. It was more like 2 fps.
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Games become MORE CPU-limited at lower resolutions, not the other way around.
 
I guess an individual with half their brain surgically removed would mistake me for a bitching OP doppelganger. I know it's difficult, but read the thread. Many were recommending a C2D to fix his obvious driver problem.

Your lack of perception suggests that you're not qualified at all to give advice that's remotely authoritative. I have upgraded from a p4 to c2d with a similar performing gfx setup (7900gt sli), so at least my "bitching" is substantiated.

Tell me then, what can the OP expect from a cpu upgrade at a resolution that we will surmise is 1600x1200. I'm not saying answers like "it will help", "yep, you're definitely bottlenecked", and "you should see a total performance increase" were wrong. I'm just saying they were correct in giving me 2 fps that t0tally wtfpwnz0r3ddddddd!!!!!!!
 
Well the highest RES i game on is 1280*768

so i know that a more processing will help a lot.

but do i need to change my MOBO can my north bridge take the beating ?
 
Marvelous said:
That's not true. All games scale. Some games more than others. Long as your not limited by your graphics card.
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To a degree, yes all games scale. To clarify, I meant to say that source games scale more than most. However, once a CPU reaches a certain speed, you will begin to see diminishing returns to the point where upgrading a CPU will become cost inefficient vs spending the money upgrading your graphics card.

In the case of the OP, I'm sure that once he sorts out his OS/driver issues, he will indeed regain his lost framerates. Regarding his upgrade options, I don't think a CPU/mobo upgrade is necessary. His 3.0GHz P4 is fine. He is more likely to gain better framerates if he returned his 8800 GTS and spent an additional $250 on an 8800 GTX than if he were to spend that same $250 upgrading his CPU/mobo and paired it with his 8800 GTS. Sure, the CPU upgrade would make his system more balanced, but a GPU upgrade will yield greater framerates.

The primary bottleneck for gaming this day and age is the GPU, not the CPU. Why else are Intel and AMD pumping so much money into their graphics R&D? Long gone are the days where CPU's doubled their real world speed every year, that frontier now belongs to the graphics world, and it's probably going to stay that way for a long time.
 
I have a buddy who had to send in his Gigabyte 965 mobo in for an RMA.

So in the meantime he's swapped his 8800GTS 320 over to an older mobo with an LGA 775 P4 3.0 ghz cpu, and put his e6600 (usually clocked at 3.6ghz) on the shelf for the time being.

He tells me he noticed a huge drop in fps.

ymmv.
 
Monkey_feces said:
I guess an individual with half their brain surgically removed would mistake me for a bitching OP doppelganger. I know it's difficult, but read the thread. Many were recommending a C2D to fix his obvious driver problem.

Your lack of perception suggests that you're not qualified at all to give advice that's remotely authoritative. I have upgraded from a p4 to c2d with a similar performing gfx setup (7900gt sli), so at least my "bitching" is substantiated.

Tell me then, what can the OP expect from a cpu upgrade at a resolution that we will surmise is 1600x1200. I'm not saying answers like "it will help", "yep, you're definitely bottlenecked", and "you should see a total performance increase" were wrong. I'm just saying they were correct in giving me 2 fps that t0tally wtfpwnz0r3ddddddd!!!!!!!
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You have 7900gt sli and it gave you 2fps increase after upgrading to core 2 duo? Was your vsync locked and you have an LCD?

Then the problem lies with yourself not your setup.
 
etherealtml said:
To a degree, yes all games scale. To clarify, I meant to say that source games scale more than most. However, once a CPU reaches a certain speed, you will begin to see diminishing returns to the point where upgrading a CPU will become cost inefficient vs spending the money upgrading your graphics card.

In the case of the OP, I'm sure that once he sorts out his OS/driver issues, he will indeed regain his lost framerates. Regarding his upgrade options, I don't think a CPU/mobo upgrade is necessary. His 3.0GHz P4 is fine. He is more likely to gain better framerates if he returned his 8800 GTS and spent an additional $250 on an 8800 GTX than if he were to spend that same $250 upgrading his CPU/mobo and paired it with his 8800 GTS. Sure, the CPU upgrade would make his system more balanced, but a GPU upgrade will yield greater framerates.

The primary bottleneck for gaming this day and age is the GPU, not the CPU. Why else are Intel and AMD pumping so much money into their graphics R&D? Long gone are the days where CPU's doubled their real world speed every year, that frontier now belongs to the graphics world, and it's probably going to stay that way for a long time.
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Source is just not demanding that is why it scales more with current graphics card.

8800gtx is not going to help a p4 3.0ghz system. Maybe if he played higher resolutions. Other than that his frame is going to be same because he is bottle necked by his cpu.
 
the latest nvidia drivers do not allow you to install UNTIL the OLD DRIVERS ARE REMOVED, just remove them in the add/remove in the control panel of windows you should have no problems, your prescott processor is quite old so I would assume your motherboard is old too, perhaps you need updated drivers for the motherboard as well, read the PDF file at nvidia associated with the driver update 162 and you may find the answers to your problem.
 
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