The Golden Age of PC Gaming? & PC vs Xbox 360

uhmmm

i dont have a tv... im a student that lives out beside the campus... there's 5 students in the house, no tv...
and to the people living in res... most of them dont have tvs...

i dont see why everyone must have a tv??


edit: oh and if i dont have a monitor right now i wont be able to read your posts. a case full of hardwares but with no monitor.. is just a case full of hardwares
 
I LOVE my 360. It is not a "what is better" deal. A PC can out perform a console. BUT.....I can sit in one of my living rooms with friends and we can ALL play the 360. You can't do this with a PC. If you want to play games, just you, then bag the 360. If you want to have a good times with friends..the 360 is your answer.
 
agreed
lets sink this thread.

everyone's different, we value different things, a dollar spent on PC to me is different in value to you.

there's always new generations of consoles and different ones to choose from, i mean wii and ps3 are marketed to different sectors of people in the console world as well. if we cant conclude whether wii or ps3 is better, how can we reach a conclusion of whether PC or Consoles are better??

(my earlier post was to someone that said everyone has a tv... anyway doesnt matter now)

cheers
P.S. im going to build my first ever computer from scratch in sept, so will be needing all you pro's help soon.
 
Timbowens said:
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Of course a pc has more all around value, but that isn't the argument. The argument is better gaming for your buck. Did you miss that in this 6+ pages or something?
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Actually, it seems you missed my point. The counter-argument is that a PC is a better overall value then an XBOX 360 on the premise that it plays games better, plays a better variety of games, and is capable of doing so much more than just gaming.

Also face it, not everyone enjoys playing console games. For example, I know many people who would never touch a console but love online poker. There has got to be what, hundreds of millions of online poker players? A $300 PC will play that poker game to perfection when an XBOX 360 will not, at least not with real money (which is the whole point of poker, but I digress). So, that begs the question, to an online poker player, which machine is better gaming for the buck, a PC or 360? What about counter-strike, without a doubt the most played FPS of all time- which system would a CS player choose as more valuable? What about a Battlefield 2 player? What about a Civilization player? What about a Sims 2 player? What about a Microsoft Flight Simulator player? What about the 9-million WOW players? Consider all the PC exclusive titles, consider all the free downloadable games, then consider every equivalent game on the 360 costs more money than on a PC, and tell me again how is an XBOX 360 a better value?
 
etherealtml said:
Actually, it seems you missed my point. The counter-argument is that a PC is a better overall value then an XBOX 360 on the premise that it plays games better, plays a better variety of games, and is capable of doing so much more than just gaming.

Also face it, not everyone enjoys playing console games. For example, I know many people who would never touch a console but love online poker. There has got to be what, hundreds of millions of online poker players? A $300 PC will play that poker game to perfection when an XBOX 360 will not, at least not with real money (which is the whole point of poker, but I digress). So, that begs the question, to an online poker player, which machine is better gaming for the buck, a PC or 360? What about counter-strike, without a doubt the most played FPS of all time- which system would a CS player choose as more valuable? What about a Battlefield 2 player? What about a Civilization player? What about a Sims 2 player? What about a Microsoft Flight Simulator player? What about the 9-million WOW players? Consider all the PC exclusive titles, consider all the free downloadable games, then consider every equivalent game on the 360 costs more money than on a PC, and tell me again how is an XBOX 360 a better value?
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QFT

By the way, whoever said better gaming value? I thought people thought Xbox 360's were the shit because they have media options now (not too mention gaming and other crap)...
 
You're all forgetting the cost of games.

The console business model is designed specifically to offer you hardware cheaper than you can buy it else where, then the developers of the platform can charge royalties to the game developers who in turn hike the price of the games to ensure they keep a profit.

If you want to compare costs of consoles and PC's per entertainment value then you HAVE to consider the cost of the games, the same way that any sensible person would consider not only the cost of a car but it's fuel consumption and the cost of that fuel.

It seems after having this discussion in the past that other countries have different price deltas but this is for the UK, all prices taken from www.play.com which is generally considered to be the cheapest place for games in the UK. I've picked games which appear on all 3 platforms, all prices inc VAT and Delivery, prices as of 01/08/2007

Ghost Recon Advanced Warfighter 2
PC = £17.99
360 = £29.99
PS3 = £39.99

Need for speed Carbon
PC = £9.99
360 = £24.99
PS3 = £37.99

Splinter Cell Double Agent
PC = £9.99
360 = £17.99
PS3 = £39.99

Half Life 2 Orange Box (Unreleased)
PC = £26.99
360 = £39.99
PS3 = £39.99

Spider Man 3
PC = £12.99
360 = £39.99
PS3 = £39.99

Transformers The Game
PC = £17.99
360 = £39.99
PS3 = £39.99

TOTAL
PC = £95.94
360 = £192.94
PS3 = £237.94

Over just SIX games the PC is £97 cheaper than the 360 and £142 cheaper than the PS3

On average each game costs £16.16 less on the PC than the 360
On average each game costs £23.66 less on the PC than the PS3

Last year I bought approx 20 proper full titles (not counting numerous cheap/small steam purchases) on games alone, thats £323.20 saving on games compared to 360 and £473.20 saving in comparison to the PS3, in just 1 year.

The average PC lifespan and console life span is probably 3 years, over 3 years thats a saving of £969.60 / £1,419.40

The BIGGEST mistake people make when analyising cost is ignoring the price of games.

Now, my calculations maybe crude, they dont factor in the RRP of console games going down over time as the system ages and the cost delta between PC and console games does change as the game itself ages (in fact older games tend to be even cheaper on the PC), and theres inflation etc etc, but the basic idea should have got your attention by now.
 
2Fresh said:
I LOVE my 360. It is not a "what is better" deal. A PC can out perform a console. BUT.....I can sit in one of my living rooms with friends and we can ALL play the 360. You can't do this with a PC. If you want to play games, just you, then bag the 360. If you want to have a good times with friends..the 360 is your answer.
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no if u want to play with friends then teh wii is the better option. how many games have split screen 4 player on the 360? LOL not much
 
Timbowens said:
Most can, not all. Please tell me, who doesn't have a tv? Everyone does. It doesn't get counted in the price of the 360. Not everyone that buys a pc already has a monitor, and if they have an older tv, it won't work. I'm not saying you're wrong, but this can happen.
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if people are counting the price of the tv then its the same with a dvd player too i suppose LOL!!!!

360 is far cheaper than a pc but to truely appreciate gaming you would need both obviously. the thing about pc's is that these gfx cards are priced soo freaking high its rediculous!
 
Timbowens said:
Most can, not all. Please tell me, who doesn't have a tv? Everyone does. It doesn't get counted in the price of the 360. Not everyone that buys a pc already has a monitor, and if they have an older tv, it won't work. I'm not saying you're wrong, but this can happen.
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Actually I don't have a TV. I torrent TV and watch it on my computer.
 
2Fresh said:
I LOVE my 360. It is not a "what is better" deal. A PC can out perform a console. BUT.....I can sit in one of my living rooms with friends and we can ALL play the 360. You can't do this with a PC. If you want to play games, just you, then bag the 360. If you want to have a good times with friends..the 360 is your answer.
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Aside from someone mentioning that the Wii is probably better for this. As more people and different types of people will play Wii, the next question is why not a computer?

When I was at university my room was full of people playing golf on the C-64 for about a month straight. There was as some lame artillery game we liked to play when drunk...

I am building a new box this fall and the Goal is a very quiet machine. It will be the hub of my living room entertainment system. It will serve as source of movie/TV watching, internet usage, Initially there will be no expense added for gaming, unless you count a 8600GT which is about $100, but it will be there to boost video playback. But it will play all my old games just dandy.

As is my computer replaces, TV, Cable, DVD machine, game machine... It saving me a lot of money IMO.

Later in 2008 I will likely drop up to $300 on my gaming upgrade, a R700, or G90 derived graphics card (not top end a cheaper variant). That small incremental cost will put me Far Far ahead of the Xbox which will be looking rather tired and consolish by then.

This "Consoles kill PC's for gaming" statement has been made since about the time of the PS1. Usually in the first year or two of release when the machines are still somewhat technically relevant and then they fall silent as the aging console doesn't look so hot.

By 2009 You won't hear anyone in here talking about Xbox gaming anymore. In 2011, Xbox 720 will come out and the new cycle will start.
 
Timbowens said:
Do the $290 pc's come with a pcie 16x? I'm not being a smart ass, I just don't know.

How is that beating the xbox?
$350 for the pc (with tax and shipping)
$250 for the vid card (more with tax and shipping)
$40 for the psu (and that is going very cheap...I know most here wouldn't back you up on that..)

By my math that is $640. Thats if you have a monitor. If you don't you have to buy one.

xbox = $430 with tax, and EVERYONE I know has a tv. So the pricing of that really can't be added.

By the way, I'm trying to build a budget pc. Please list me out, part by part, an 8800 c2d rig for $600. Please.

case
mobo
ram
cpu
psu
dvd drive
vid card
5.1 speakers
sound card (unless mobo has 5.1 capabilities)
hard drive
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Everyone I know happens to have a pc. Most people have pc's was the point, just like most people have TV's. So by your logic since all that is needed to game on a tv is a 360, then all that is needed to game on a pc is a video card and power supply (yes a 400 watt Fortron PSU for $40 is a solid psu, sorry but 90% of the posters on this forum don't know anything about power consumption).

e4300: 80
abit ib9: 80
2GB Ram: 70
8800gts 320: 250
80GB hard drive: 35
optical drive: 20
Coolermaster mystique: 40
Ultra xfinity 500 watt: 45

That's $620.
 
Frosteh said:
You're all forgetting the cost of games.
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If you want to compare costs of consoles and PC's per entertainment value then you HAVE to consider the cost of the games, the same way that any sensible person would consider not only the cost of a car but it's fuel consumption and the cost of that fuel.
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Frosteh,
one thing that I tried to point out is that price is hard to factor in. Espically here in the states were we have ways to RENT console games. I can walk into the local blockbuster or other store, I can sign up to on-line companys like GameFly.com, ect and for just 15$ or so a month play as many games as I want to that month. So while your point is valid that cost of new games for consoles baught out right is higher than PC, a lot of people don't to buy game but rent it. Then factor in the resale market on used Console game is much bigger than it is for PC games which makes apples vrs apples comparison on price even harder....
 
no matter how many times this argument has been argued. that plain fact is, even the poorest PC can do things that an Xbox360 cannot, and vice versa, example. when was that last time you plagiarized something from wikipedia, printed it in, and then submitted it on your Xbox?

then again, when was the last time you saw a $500 computer funning F.E.A.R on a massive HD resolution getting a smooth 40fps with everything turned on and on high?

these 2 pieces of hardware server two different needs. sometimes these 2 needs collide. this is when you plagiarize an article about the Xbox 360 from wikipedia, print it off on you PC, and submit it via Xbox Live.
 
Jbirney said:
Frosteh,
one thing that I tried to point out is that price is hard to factor in. Espically here in the states were we have ways to RENT console games. I can walk into the local blockbuster or other store, I can sign up to on-line companys like GameFly.com, ect and for just 15$ or so a month play as many games as I want to that month. So while your point is valid that cost of new games for consoles baught out right is higher than PC, a lot of people don't to buy game but rent it. Then factor in the resale market on used Console game is much bigger than it is for PC games which makes apples vrs apples comparison on price even harder....
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I think this is balanced out by the fact that you can also play hundreds of free online games with the PC, there's MMO's which are free but cut down such as dungeon runners, there's completely free professionally made games such as Americas Army and W:ET, there's thousands of user made mods for games which often times are entirely new games in their own right.

I do think it needs to be considered but all said and done I don't think being able to rent games (unique to consoles) outweighs the benefits unique to PC's.
 
sabrewolf732 said:
Everyone I know happens to have a pc. Most people have pc's was the point, just like most people have TV's. So by your logic since all that is needed to game on a tv is a 360, then all that is needed to game on a pc is a video card and power supply (yes a 400 watt Fortron PSU for $40 is a solid psu, sorry but 90% of the posters on this forum don't know anything about power consumption).

e4300: 80
abit ib9: 80
2GB Ram: 70
8800gts 320: 250
80GB hard drive: 35
optical drive: 20
Coolermaster mystique: 40
Ultra xfinity 500 watt: 45

That's $620.
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You're already over by $20, and that isn't including tax or shipping. FAIL.

On top of that, the person I was having a discussion with said a $600 build (which you've failed to produce) would be a "monster" gaming machine.

The machine you produced (I will give you credit, it's close to what I want) will not be any better than the 360.

Oh, and since everyone like to through the cost of a HDTV in with the 360, you'll have to add the price of a monitor in that for me, because I have a laptop, and I can't use my HDTV for a monitor. (wife would bitch about never being able to watch tv, roommate would bitch, etc.)
 
sabrewolf732 said:
Everyone I know happens to have a pc. Most people have pc's was the point, just like most people have TV's. So by your logic since all that is needed to game on a tv is a 360, then all that is needed to game on a pc is a video card and power supply (yes a 400 watt Fortron PSU for $40 is a solid psu, sorry but 90% of the posters on this forum don't know anything about power consumption).

e4300: 80
abit ib9: 80
2GB Ram: 70
8800gts 320: 250
80GB hard drive: 35
optical drive: 20
Coolermaster mystique: 40
Ultra xfinity 500 watt: 45

That's $620.
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Oh, and regarding what you think is correct with power consumption; I repair my (idiot)friends and co-workers rigs when they slap in a graphics card and cheap out on the PSU. Guess what happens? In anywhere from 3 months to a year they smoke their mobo. Happens without fail.
 
sabrewolf732 said:
Everyone I know happens to have a pc. Most people have pc's was the point, just like most people have TV's. So by your logic since all that is needed to game on a tv is a 360, then all that is needed to game on a pc is a video card and power supply (yes a 400 watt Fortron PSU for $40 is a solid psu, sorry but 90% of the posters on this forum don't know anything about power consumption).

e4300: 80
abit ib9: 80
2GB Ram: 70
8800gts 320: 250
80GB hard drive: 35
optical drive: 20
Coolermaster mystique: 40
Ultra xfinity 500 watt: 45

That's $620.
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Curious, where are you getting an e4300 for $80?

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819115013&Tpk=e4300

I'm not trying to knock you, like I said, I want a cheap but somewhat capable gaming rig.
 
Timbowens said:
You're already over by $20, and that isn't including tax or shipping. FAIL.

On top of that, the person I was having a discussion with said a $600 build (which you've failed to produce) would be a "monster" gaming machine.

The machine you produced (I will give you credit, it's close to what I want) will not be any better than the 360.

Oh, and since everyone like to through the cost of a HDTV in with the 360, you'll have to add the price of a monitor in that for me, because I have a laptop, and I can't use my HDTV for a monitor. (wife would bitch about never being able to watch tv, roommate would bitch, etc.)
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$20 OMG, go mow someone's lawn or something. You fail, your argument is terrible, I could cut the motherboard price by $40 and be underbudget by $20. The only reason I picked that board is because from personal experiance I know it will get an e4300 up to 3.3GHz or so, which will deliver "monster performance" (again in contrast to a 360). The machine I spec'ed will DESTROY a 360 in terms of performance. R500 isn't anywhere near as fast an 8800. In fact devs have been quoted saying it's sub x1900 performance, where as xenon is terrible in contrast to any core 2. Also, if you really want a sub $600 capable gaming machine you can always go amd. The x2 3600+ is $60, and a good motherboard for it is also available for around $60. You should be able to get close to 3GHz out of it if not higher, and it will run $580 plus shipping if you use the rest of the parts I quoted above. It will run all games available on high settings =)

edit: btw since when do you pay tax on pc parts ordered online? o_O
 
Timbowens said:
Curious, where are you getting an e4300 for $80?

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819115013&Tpk=e4300

I'm not trying to knock you, like I said, I want a cheap but somewhat capable gaming rig.
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http://hardforum.com/showthread.php?t=1213228&highlight=e4300

edit: nvm, deal got killed.

Oh, and regarding what you think is correct with power consumption; I repair my (idiot)friends and co-workers rigs when they slap in a graphics card and cheap out on the PSU. Guess what happens? In anywhere from 3 months to a year they smoke their mobo. Happens without fail.
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I'm very sorry your idiot friends don't have the ability to purchase a cheap capable psu. You can even score an antec 350 with dual 12v rails from circuit city for $40. On newegg you can get fortron 400 watt psu's for $38 I believe. Also, the ultra xfinity 500 is/was available at zipzoomfly.com for $45. The xfinity 500 is an excellent psu, it was review at guru's site. Had little to no ripple and little to no fluctuation on the rails.
 
Timbowens said:
You're already over by $20, and that isn't including tax or shipping. FAIL.
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We are still at this? Unless you are typing these messages on your Xbox. I would like to know how your Xbox+PC is cheaper than my PC?
 
sabrewolf732 said:
$20 OMG, go mow someone's lawn or something. You fail, your argument is terrible, I could cut the motherboard price by $40 and be underbudget by $20. The only reason I picked that board is because from personal experiance I know it will get an e4300 up to 3.3GHz or so, which will deliver "monster performance" (again in contrast to a 360). The machine I spec'ed will DESTROY a 360 in terms of performance. R500 isn't anywhere near as fast an 8800. In fact devs have been quoted saying it's sub x1900 performance, where as xenon is terrible in contrast to any core 2. Also, if you really want a sub $600 capable gaming machine you can always go amd. The x2 3600+ is $60, and a good motherboard for it is also available for around $60. You should be able to get close to 3GHz out of it if not higher, and it will run $580 plus shipping if you use the rest of the parts I quoted above. It will run all games available on high settings =)

edit: btw since when do you pay tax on pc parts ordered online? o_O
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Oh, so we have to OC this pc to get it to "destroy" the 360. Sorry, go play FN3 or GoW on the 360 and then look at a game on the budget rig.

Oh , and you forgot an OS for the rig. And patches, and updates, and bugs, and crashes, and you have to build the pc yourself.

Yeah yeah, I know, red ring of death. I've got 3 360's ranging in age from launch to now. Not one has ever given me a problem, and if they do, MS has given me a 3 year warrantee!

Look, I won't argue with you anyone. The bottom line is this:

To get into gaming, a core 360 on a tv you already own is the cheapest way to do it, and it will produce graphics on par with a decent PC. End of story.

And while I'm at it, I'd like to stop and laugh at the pc people who, in this forum, scream about how there pc's graphics beat the consoles, but then they run to the gaming forum and scream, graphics don't make the game, gameplay does!

You're the type that like to talk out of the side of the face that suits your argument.
 
Snowdog said:
We are still at this? Unless you are typing these messages on your Xbox. I would like to know how your Xbox+PC is cheaper than my PC?
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Because my pc was paid for by work.

Go back to sleep.

Why do you keep incorporating the cost of a pc with a 360? It is the stupidest thing I've ever heard of, really.

I don't really need any of them. They are wants. Guess what? I can buy a 360 and play it on my tv and I don't need a pc at all, ever. So why in the world are you trying to say I have to add the two together?

My house has a garage, does that mean I have to incorporate the price of my house in with my car? You're a moron. Sorry, I'll take my punishment for that by the admins, but you sir, have no brains.
 
Timbowens said:
And while I'm at it, I'd like to stop and laugh at the pc people who, in this forum, scream about how there pc's graphics beat the consoles, but then they run to the gaming forum and scream, graphics don't make the game, gameplay does!
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Bum argument. Gameplay doesn't change from platform to platform, unless it's a Wii port (where the controls scheme is different enough to affect gameplay). It's not as if we're sacrificing one smidgen of gameplay for the better PC graphics -- we're getting the gameplay, the graphics, and much better controls.

The only thing we're sacrificing is our time and money.
 
Timbowens said:
Oh, so we have to OC this pc to get it to "destroy" the 360.
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No, it outperforms it at stock. Sorry but xenon and it's in order processing is TERRIBLE for gaming. Go educate yourself please before you spew your shit. kill yourself. You're absolutely terrible at arguing. You don't incorporate the price of a tv into the 360 package, because "everybody" has a tv (not really). Well "everybody" has a pc, all they need to do is spend $250 on an 8800gts to game. Btw here's proof that even slow core 2's > xenon http://www.anandtech.com/cpuchipsets/showdoc.aspx?i=3050
 
dont want to get into this but i think that not all games get better controls by coming to the pc
 
note235 said:
dont want to get into this but i think that not all games get better controls by coming to the pc
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Truth, only fps games do. Which is all I happen to play atm (css + ut), so for me pc's are a better investment.
 
sabrewolf732 said:
Truth, only fps games do. Which is all I happen to play atm (css + ut), so for me pc's are a better investment.
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And RTS and RPG/adventure do as well (mainly what I play). I think it is mainly sports games or arcade games that don't benefit from KB and mouse. Plus you can buy gamepads for PC...
 
sabrewolf732 said:
Truth, only fps games do. Which is all I happen to play atm (css + ut), so for me pc's are a better investment.
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Considering that many of the biggest games are FPS (HALO 3 for example) I just don't understand Microsoft's insistence on not supporting keyboard/mouse control.As for other types of controllers,you can get gamepads and joysticks of every type for PCs.
 
sabrewolf732 said:
No, it outperforms it at stock. Sorry but xenon and it's in order processing is TERRIBLE for gaming. Go educate yourself please before you spew your shit. kill yourself. You're absolutely terrible at arguing. You don't incorporate the price of a tv into the 360 package, because "everybody" has a tv (not really). Well "everybody" has a pc, all they need to do is spend $250 on an 8800gts to game. Btw here's proof that even slow core 2's > xenon http://www.anandtech.com/cpuchipsets/showdoc.aspx?i=3050
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Why don't you step out of benchmark land and into the real world, ok?

Like I said, compare GoW and FN3 to a budget pc and tell me which one looks better.

Thats what I thought.

And spending $250 on an 8800 on a budget pc with a slow ass hdd, and 512mb of ram, a shitty mobo, etc, WILL NOT OUTPERFORM A 360.

Terrible at arguing? I just owned you.

Go back to benchmark land now and measure your e-penis.
 
Snowdog said:
Spoken like a true fanboy/salesman. You claim PC users simply must get an Xbox for titles like Halo, but hey there conveniently are no PS3 titles that interest you. Yeah I buy that, you can't wait to play Halo 3, but MGS4 holds no interest for you. Sure...
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Can you play MGS4 w/ 4 player splitscreen or 2 player split-screen coop? If so I might be interested, but the game seems more like a Splinter Cell type, which doesn't interest me. I'd buy GT5 if I had a PS3, but I wouldn't buy a PS3 just for that game. Can't think of any others, except games I can also get on 360, most of which run better to boot.

Before I got my 8800GTS, I had the 7800GTX, which is similar to the 360's hardware - and Oblivion, RB6 Vegas, and GRAW ran better on the 360 than on my PC. Saying you need an 8800GTS to run these games as well on the PC means they obviously run less efficiently (slower) on the PC.
 
Varmint said:
Can you play MGS4 w/ 4 player splitscreen or 2 player split-screen coop? If so I might be interested, but the game seems more like a Splinter Cell type, which doesn't interest me. I'd buy GT5 if I had a PS3, but I wouldn't buy a PS3 just for that game. Can't think of any others, except games I can also get on 360, most of which run better to boot.

Before I got my 8800GTS, I had the 7800GTX, which is similar to the 360's hardware - and Oblivion, RB6 Vegas, and GRAW ran better on the 360 than on my PC. Saying you need an 8800GTS to run these games as well on the PC means they obviously run less efficiently (slower) on the PC.
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THIS.
 
Timbowens said:
And while I'm at it, I'd like to stop and laugh at the pc people who, in this forum, scream about how there pc's graphics beat the consoles, but then they run to the gaming forum and scream, graphics don't make the game, gameplay does!
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Actually, those are the guys who aren't willing to get good graphics cards so they bitch and moan about how "gameplay makes the game" when in reality they are just jealous that they screwed up their build or dropped $1,000+ on a laptop and have just discovered that it can't game for sh*t, ha ha.

Timbowens, the reason people keep arguing with you is that they are trying to get the point across that since everyone needs a PC to begin with, getting a PC that can play games can be more cost-effective than getting an XBOX 360 and another PC. This may not be for most people, but:

1. Remember what forum you're on. It's a computer forum. Here, everyone does everything on their computers. This includes watching TV, watching movies, work, etc. Try making web pages on your XBOX 360. Try modeling or programming on your XBOX 360. Try running MATLAB on your XBOX 360. Try watching movies at 1080p on your XBOX 360. We need fast computers anyway, so the only additional cost for us to turn it into a gaming machine is $300 for an 8800GTS or so. Bam - instant gaming machine to something that we already have.

2. A lot of the people in this forum, including me, only go for the ultimate gaming experience. This means games at f*cking 1680x1050+ with 4x AA and 16x AF. If we can't get a game running at those settings, we'd rather not play at all. The XBOX 360 gives you 1280x720 with low-resolution textures, reduced detail, and inconsistent framerates. Gears of War is an exception, but we knew it was coming out for PC anyway (Who would be stupid enough to not port an Unreal 3-based game that successful over to the PC?). Have you ever played a game on a 22"/24" LCD with AA/AF and maximum settings? They look f*cking amazing. And with a high-end PC, you won't get nearly as many slowdowns as the XBOX 360 gives you, as well as much higher average frame rates. Sure, "most" people would agree that the XBOX 360 kicks the butt of their crappy $1,000 retail system with its 6150LE or whatever. But we aren't "most" people. We want the best, and the XBOX 360 isn't the best. Look at how many people have 8800's in their signatures.

But, yeah, I've seen Gears of War on a 2405WFP and it's kick-ass. Better than any game currently out today, PC or XBOX 360.
 
I'm not saying PC gamers should give up their PC for a 360, that's retarded.

I'm saying that I'm a PC gamer 1st, but I got a 360 because the reality is it fleshes out my gaming experience - I play Stalker, NWN2, COH sure, but I also like a good soccer game, I want to play Mass Effect (and not wait a year for the PC version), and I want to play Halo 3 w/ 3 other friends. It's also nice to play games on my surround system. All that for just $400 is a bargain to me - considering I just spent almost that on just my video card.
 
Varmint said:
Before I got my 8800GTS, I had the 7800GTX, which is similar to the 360's hardware - and Oblivion, RB6 Vegas, and GRAW ran better on the 360 than on my PC. Saying you need an 8800GTS to run these games as well on the PC means they obviously run less efficiently (slower) on the PC.
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Why do you ignore the poeple who continue to anwer you on these. GRAW for PC was made bigger and more detailed(thus slower). Someone mentioned playing Oblivion on both platforms, and the Xbox has permanent reduction in effects like animated grass etc... There is also a little something called lazy developers and a poor port. There are games that looks as good as Rainbow6 that play faster on the PC.

If you like console that is fine. I just question your assertion that if I am a PC gamer I need an Xbox, that comes across more like fanboy/salesman than reasoned arguement.

If I were to get a console to go with my PC it would be one of those the most different from my PC. Either a Wii for group/party games, or a PS3 for BluRay and some different games like MGS4 which actually does appeal to me. But right now PC more than covers my gaming needs.
 
Snowdog said:
Why do you ignore the poeple who continue to anwer you on these. GRAW for PC was made bigger and more detailed(thus slower). Someone mentioned playing Oblivion on both platforms, and the Xbox has permanent reduction in effects like animated grass etc... There is also a little something called lazy developers and a poor port. There are games that looks as good as Rainbow6 that play faster on the PC.
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I ran both games on my PC (w/ 7800GTX) and 360, and it looked obviously better on 360 overall. You said yourself these games run great with an 8800GTS - true, but not with equivalent hardware to the 360.

Yes, bad ports are often the cause - so what - the end result is what matters, as more and more developers migrate to 360. You can whine about how consoles are ruining PC gaming if you want, but you're missing out on some great gaming by being a PC ostrich w/ your head in the sand.
 
To those who I have been arguing with. I'm sorry. I didn't mean it to be a frag fest. I love PC gaming. Yes, I have a M1210 and I love CS:S. Yes, I want a DX10 pc for crysis.

Yes, I know they are different animals.

I realize now, we are arguing over preference, and we shouldn't be because we all like stuff different.

I don't need 1900 X 1200 with all the AA and AF. That is why, if I were to recommend budget gaming to someone, I'd go with the 360 because most of everyone I know already has a tv. DOn't get me wrong, I'd love to drop $1500 and get a good setup, but I just want too many other things :D .


I realize a lot of you like to have all of the eye candy, and I would too, I just don't want to spend that much.

So cheers, and good gaming!:D
 
Snowdog said:
Why do you ignore the poeple who continue to anwer you on these. GRAW for PC was made bigger and more detailed(thus slower). Someone mentioned playing Oblivion on both platforms, and the Xbox has permanent reduction in effects like animated grass etc... There is also a little something called lazy developers and a poor port. There are games that looks as good as Rainbow6 that play faster on the PC.

If you like console that is fine. I just question your assertion that if I am a PC gamer I need an Xbox, that comes across more like fanboy/salesman than reasoned arguement.

If I were to get a console to go with my PC it would be one of those the most different from my PC. Either a Wii for group/party games, or a PS3 for BluRay and some different games like MGS4 which actually does appeal to me. But right now PC more than covers my gaming needs.
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Sorry, I didn't think I was trying to push needing an xbox if you already had a pc. Didn't mean to come across that way.

You're right, some games look/run better on the pc, and vice versa. :D
 
Timbowens said:
To those who I have been arguing with. I'm sorry. I didn't mean it to be a frag fest. I love PC gaming. Yes, I have a M1210 and I love CS:S. Yes, I want a DX10 pc for crysis.

Yes, I know they are different animals.

I realize now, we are arguing over preference, and we shouldn't be because we all like stuff different.

I don't need 1900 X 1200 with all the AA and AF. That is why, if I were to recommend budget gaming to someone, I'd go with the 360 because most of everyone I know already has a tv. DOn't get me wrong, I'd love to drop $1500 and get a good setup, but I just want too many other things :D .


I realize a lot of you like to have all of the eye candy, and I would too, I just don't want to spend that much.

So cheers, and good gaming!:D
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Nice man-up and good reply. :)
 
Timbowens said:
Sorry, I didn't think I was trying to push needing an xbox if you already had a pc. Didn't mean to come across that way.
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I was replying to Varmint. He is the one that stated that PC gamers need an Xbox.
 
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