R600 doesn't do AF in DX10?

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Yeah, one lone report with one game means the 2900XT cant do any AF in any DX10 game. :eek:
 
The [H] never mentioned it, nor did anyone else on the forums who own the card.

I doubt this one game, on a single site proves that the R600's is incapable of applying AF under DX10 paths...
 
I so was looking to play lost planet..... zzz....zz..... wake me up when STALKER 2, SC2 and Helgate London come out, will you guys?
 
And even IF true, it might be Microsoft's fault in DX10:

Don't look now, but Microsoft is apparently readying a Vista Performance and Reliability Pack for release, and while it's certainly not available through Windows Update just yet, that doesn't mean it's not hiding elsewhere. Reportedly, the aforementioned pack and the Vista Compatibility and Reliability Pack will institute a number of welcome fixes and performance increases in a variety of areas, and though the list is indeed lengthy, a few notables include:
  • Increased compatibility with many video drivers.
    [*]Improved visual appearance of games with high intensity graphics.
  • Improved quality of playback for HD DVD and Blu-ray disks on large monitors.
  • Improved reliability for Internet Explorer when some third party toolbars are installed on Vista.
  • Improved reliability of systems that were upgraded from XP to Vista.
  • Resolves an issue where creating AVI files on Vista may get corrupted.
  • Improves the performance of Vista's Memory Manager in specific customer scenarios and prevents some issues which may lead to memory corruption.

So if all the red flags prove correct, Vista users can eagerly await an official release of the updates, or if you're the adventurous type, you can bypass the whole "waiting" thing altogether and get your download on immediately
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The "increased compatibility" and "improved visual appearance" are red-letter flags for 'resolves driver setting issues'. I hardly imagine they are talking about color depth when referring to 'improving visual appearance'!
 
Yeah, looks like more Vista/ME2 issues.
Considering the issue with SLI/Crossfire, I'm not really surprised.
 
What SLI issues? As far as I'm aware the only outstanding issue with Vista and SLI is quad SLI.
 
An anomaly. AF is obviously working in Call of Juarez bench/demo, and also let's remember this is a port to PC they're talking about. It's not yet time to talk seriously about DX10. What is it, two more months (?) until the first coded for DX10 from scratch games begin to sheepishly appear?
 
The SLI issues were fixed with a patch from Microsoft. There was a driver communication problem (on the OS side) that prevented the 2 cards from talking to each other through the driver.
 
What's the big deal? It's probably just a driver bug.
 
dderidex said:
And even IF true, it might be Microsoft's fault in DX10:



The "increased compatibility" and "improved visual appearance" are red-letter flags for 'resolves driver setting issues'. I hardly imagine they are talking about color depth when referring to 'improving visual appearance'!
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Vista couldn't prevent AF from occuring in DX10... this is ATI's issue. How do I know? NVIDIA's AF works fine.

Check WIC, Lost Planet, Call of Juarez, any DX10 game.
 
Pepsiennis said:
An anomaly. AF is obviously working in Call of Juarez bench/demo, and also let's remember this is a port to PC they're talking about. It's not yet time to talk seriously about DX10. What is it, two more months (?) until the first coded for DX10 from scratch games begin to sheepishly appear?
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AF is "not" working in COJ DX10
 
knight3058 said:
Yeah, looks like more Vista/ME2 issues.
Considering the issue with SLI/Crossfire, I'm not really surprised.
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The SLI/Crossfire issue was just that.. it was affecting both companies, but both companies had already worked around it in the driver, so the Vista fix was semi-pointless.

This is different.. it's ATI only.
 
Sr7 said:
Vista couldn't prevent AF from occuring in DX10... this is ATI's issue. How do I know? NVIDIA's AF works fine.

Check WIC, Lost Planet, Call of Juarez, any DX10 game.
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That nVidia's works fine does not mean it ISN'T an OS issue, just that they have a workaround for it. ATI may well have chosen to wait for the OS to fix it rather than try to fix it in their driver. Not like they haven't done that before!
 
Sr7 said:
AF is "not" working in COJ DX10
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That is Correct.

pxc said:
What's the big deal? It's probably just a driver bug.
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Well ATI knew about this but failed to inform reviewers, which is sleazy.
And reviewers who even posted screens that show the lack of AF but didnt even notice are lazy. So we have sleazy and lazy. Great for consumers.

8800 GTS.................................................2900 XT..................................................


8800 GTS.................................................2900 XT..................................................
 
What about Company of Heroes? Is AF an option in this game at all?
 
purgatory said:
That is Correct.

Well ATI knew about this but failed to inform reviewers, which is sleazy.
And reviewers who even posted screens that show the lack of AF but didnt even notice are lazy. So we have sleazy and lazy. Great for consumers.

8800 GTS.................................................2900 XT..................................................
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Real easy to see it on the buildings in the distance. Wonder what the performance hit will be.
 
debello_64 said:
Its fixed in the leaked 8.40 drivers
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Humus said it was a driver bug that has been fixed. No need for the nv1d1ots to get up in arms... :rolleyes: Nvidia still has sub-par drivers and it's close to a year, I love how quickly they jump on ATI who's had half the time to work on drivers....go file some driver bug reports at nvidia.com there are tons left to fix still - I know I have a GTS...
 
dnottis said:
Humus said it was a driver bug that has been fixed. No need for the nv1d1ots to get up in arms... :rolleyes: Nvidia still has sub-par drivers and it's close to a year, I love how quickly they jump on ATI who's had half the time to work on drivers....go file some driver bug reports at nvidia.com there are tons left to fix still - I know I have a GTS...
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I forgot that time stopped for driver support for ATI between when the 8800 came out and the 2900 did...

Both companies have had the same amount of time to work on drivers for their cards for vista.

The big problem with this, is that a big IQ portion is missing from one card even though the setting is turned on. ATI knew about it, but never said anything.

Its like setting a game to use 8xAA, but instead no AA is applied. You run a benchmark and say hey look how great this runs!! When obviously it will run faster because it doesn't have to apply any AA.

Its basically cheating a benchmark program, and they got caught.
 
jmackay said:
I forgot that time stopped for driver support for ATI between when the 8800 came out and the 2900 did...

Both companies have had the same amount of time to work on drivers for their cards for vista.

The big problem with this, is that a big IQ portion is missing from one card even though the setting is turned on. ATI knew about it, but never said anything.

Its like setting a game to use 8xAA, but instead no AA is applied. You run a benchmark and say hey look how great this runs!! When obviously it will run faster because it doesn't have to apply any AA.

Its basically cheating a benchmark program, and they got caught.
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Like someone else mentioned - [H] didnt catch it, maybe it was just Techreport or a bad install of the drivers. Do you really think they would purposely do it and not expect someone to notice? Someone mentioned reinstalling the drivers corrected it.
 
dnottis said:
Like someone else mentioned - [H] didnt catch it, maybe it was just Techreport or a bad install of the drivers. Do you really think they would purposely do it and not expect someone to notice? Someone mentioned reinstalling the drivers corrected it.
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It has been that way since the 7.5, 7.6 and 7.7 CCC releases, the only driver package that corrects it is the leaked 8.4 drivers. I knew about it back in June when the CoJ first came out and submitted a CCC ticket. The fact that all the reviewers on other sites never catched it isnt AMD fault. Anyone that played CoJ in DX10 mode on a HD2900XT couldnt have missed it, unless they where blind or half assing it.

And if another HD2900 owner did catch it why the hell would they post it here anyways, all the 2900 threads get shit on anyways.
 
dnottis said:
Like someone else mentioned - [H] didnt catch it, maybe it was just Techreport or a bad install of the drivers. Do you really think they would purposely do it and not expect someone to notice? Someone mentioned reinstalling the drivers corrected it.
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[H] didn't play CoJ, and they had wacky problems with the 2900xt in Lost Planet.

And if another HD2900 owner did catch it why the hell would they post it here anyways, all the 2900 threads get shit on anyways.
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Maybe because 2900xt owners try to skew results in their threads?
 
LawGiver said:
exactly, fkin morons I swear.
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Although I think it was just a driver bug, what's fair is fair. If nvidia is going to be picked to shreds for driver bugs, AMD is fair game too. Getting thin skinned about it is :rolleyes: worthy.
 
This is funny because of the amount of harping on the ATI users did about Nvidia drivers in Vista while all they had to do was support their older DX9 cards (before 2900 launch).

Now ATI also have to split their time between DX9 and DX10 their support is just as lousy, I find that amusing :}
 
An AF issue that wasn't brought to their attention until recently is bad driver support? both cards do bad in current DX10 applications, I would hardly put that into the bad driver support.

I'm happy for both sides as far as drivers go.
 
Sr7 said:
The point is it's just another fuck up by ATI. You pay for their product and you get a carved out feature-set.
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yeah wow, a fuckup.

imagine that, a new OS, on a new API, on a new GPU architecture.

and AF doesn't work.

Oh dear god, the AF, someone please think of the children

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Frosteh said:
This is funny because of the amount of harping on the ATI users did about Nvidia drivers in Vista while all they had to do was support their older DX9 cards (before 2900 launch).

Now ATI also have to split their time between DX9 and DX10 their support is just as lousy, I find that amusing :}
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QFT

not to mention 8800 + vista for the first... how many months were the drivers beta? ill tel you one thing, you couldn't coun't the amount of BSODs and driver crashes on your hands... or your hands + toes...
 
MrWizard6600 said:
yeah wow, a fuckup.

imagine that, a new OS, on a new API, on a new GPU architecture.

and AF doesn't work.

Oh dear god, the AF, someone please think of the children

:eek:



QFT

not to mention 8800 + vista for the first... how many months were the drivers beta? ill tel you one thing, you couldn't coun't the amount of BSODs and driver crashes on your hands... or your hands + toes...
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Wow, fucking moron, the point is you pay for that. You pay for a product that doesn't perform a BASIC IQ function that should've been one of the most obvious things to see and fix. Then they release the product, allowing their scores to be artificially inflated while the shitstorm of reviews comes over it, then they only fix it after. If I were an AMD customer I'd see right through this shit and be pissed.

Why do you find it necessary to assume that I'm talking up NVIDIA? Ya their drivers were poor, but they're fine now. Don't cry to me about your BSOD's when you're an early adopter. That comes with the territory. That has nothing to do with this though... why would you try to change the subject away from the fact that AMD is screwing their customers to this day, 4 months after Vista came out? And through 3 driver revisions?
 
Trimlock said:
An AF issue that wasn't brought to their attention until recently is bad driver support? both cards do bad in current DX10 applications, I would hardly put that into the bad driver support.

I'm happy for both sides as far as drivers go.
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Are you kidding me? You mean you're not bothered by the fact that they didn't bother checking (or notice) that their card didn't work right? It's a sad thing that kinda makes me wonder what other corners they've cut..
 
No I'm not "kidding" you, mainly because in the games that I have to run under DX10 right now, I wouldn't even consider it. So if its not going to effect me, and from the looks of it ... alot of forum goers as well, why should I care?

So again, whats the problem? no one else noticed it, it wasn't a big deal, and for the short amount of time it was a big deal it was already fixed ... what are you screaming about?

edit: yay it worked finally
 
you didnt seem to get me...

were how many weeks into the HD 2900XT?

a couple weeks into the 8800 release, Id be blue screening right now.

clearly you place far more value on AF then I do.

and i can assure you, the AF not working properly doesn't mean theres a conspiracy by amd to artifically inflate benchmark scores... the Driver team has far bigger issues to work out that could optimize performance a fair bit more (which they have, if you've bothered to look at a performance chart recently, keeping the AA down results in a completly different picture of the HD2900XT then was painted from launch time).

and id like it if you could refrain from name calling.

this thread needs-a-lockin, and the admins are about to come-a-knockin.

Sorry its 5:21 am and i havn't slept yet, forgive me T.T
 
pxc said:
Although I think it was just a driver bug, what's fair is fair. If nvidia is going to be picked to shreds for driver bugs, AMD is fair game too. Getting thin skinned about it is :rolleyes: worthy.
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Its not being thin skinned. Its the ignorance of someone that thinks the 2900XT cant do AF in any DX10 game, because of a post from nvnews. Hes obviously partial towards one company.

Going the extent of calling ATi cheating for this, is laughable. Yeah, they left out AF on purpose! Please, use some common sense. The issue has been fixed, but the poster couldnt be bothered to do some research about that.
 
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