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I hope you guys don't get this thread locked like you have all my others. :p

Now, quick to the point. Why when I click on shutdown button in Vista does it default to sleep instead of the last option selected like in XP? When I click the shutdown button the last thing I want to do is send my PC into sleep mode. It's either shutdown or restart. How does one change this very annoying behavior of Vista? What the hell were they thinking? Whoever came up with that brain dead idea smoked too much crack that day.
 
Gatticus said:
I hope you guys don't get this thread locked like you have all my others. :p

Now, quick to the point. Why when I click on shutdown button in Vista does it default to sleep instead of the last option selected like in XP? When I click the shutdown button the last thing I want to do is send my PC into sleep mode. It's either shutdown or restart. How does one change this very annoying behavior of Vista? What the hell were they thinking? Whoever came up with that brain dead idea smoked too much crack that day.
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Why would you ever want to shut down the system? Hibernate will allow you to resume faster and use less electricity. And you can choose any of the choices simply by clicking on the little arrow next to the shut down button.
 
The #1 Tip of all Tips: Don't underestimate the power of the Help button!

Press F1 and type:

"Why when I click on shutdown button in Vista does it default to sleep instead of the last option selected like in XP?"
 
have you set the button for sleep or to shutdown when you click it? (i'm assuming you're talking about the start menu sleep button)..

the default is sleep (its even a sleep icon)..
notice how when you hover your mouse over it is a description of sleep..


you can change it to shutdown (or hibernate) in the Power Options, Change Plan Settings, Advanced Power Settings, Power Buttons and Lid, Start Menu Power Button.. Settings: Sleep/Hibernate/Shutdown
 
OK, thanks. And no, I don't read the help files because they have never helped me in the past. Perhaps that has changed with Vista. Still think they should have left well enough alone as it was in XP. And I press the sleep button on my keyboard if I want it to sleep, not the shutdown button. It's just one of those counter intuitive things Microsoft is always doing. I'm not one of those people who believes in leaving their computer on 24/7 and I have hibernate disabled.
 
H-street said:
the default is sleep (its even a sleep icon)..
notice how when you hover your mouse over it is a description of sleep..
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Yea, I know. That is what I find annoying. In XP it is always set to your last selection, not so in Vista. I'm not talkiong about the sleep button itself. I have the Vista interface disabled and am using classic interface. I'm talking about after you click shutdown and you get your options as to what you want to do it is always set to sleep instead of your last option chosen like in XP.
 
Yes the Arrow > is still next to the Lock Button in Classic interface, I just checked. If you want to change the "Shutdown" button to actually Shutdown, someone posted it above.
 
I'm in XP right now so will have a look in Vista later.

I see odoe is working his magic. :p
 
It can get annoying, but I used a program I think called, Tweak Vista or something like that.

It will help you set up icons for shutting down and restarting right on the desktop.

So you just click and it does the rest..A very handy little deal..Might want to try that..
 
H-street said:
have you set the button for sleep or to shutdown when you click it? (i'm assuming you're talking about the start menu sleep button)..

the default is sleep (its even a sleep icon)..
notice how when you hover your mouse over it is a description of sleep..


you can change it to shutdown (or hibernate) in the Power Options, Change Plan Settings, Advanced Power Settings, Power Buttons and Lid, Start Menu Power Button.. Settings: Sleep/Hibernate/Shutdown
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What he said is how you change it.
 
Gatticus said:
I don't read the help files because they have never helped me in the past.
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Let me get this straight- instead of trying to help yourself first, you start complaining on here about the Microsoft engineers smoking pot?

The button is NOT designed for shutdown. It is not a shutdown. Wasn't designed to be.
To put it shortly: It doesn't shut the system down because it isn't a shutdown.
Makes sense to me...

Vista actually makes it EASIER to shut your PC down (as well as logoff or anything else) with the little arrow button right there as well- sticking all your choices right there.

Gatticus said:
Still think they should have left well enough alone as it was in XP.
And I press the sleep button on my keyboard if I want it to sleep, not the shutdown button
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#1- This isn't XP. I was amazed the initial post was not about "XP does it better", but alas it comes out in the end.
#2- As before- it isn't the darn shutdown button! It does exactly what it is supposed to!

I personally use the little arrow down there 90% of the time for everything. It is just so much quicker.
I also personally prefer it over XP- as all your options stay in exactly the same place. No more "remember last option"- they stay exactly were they were last time. Plus you have added options as well.

So I guess what I am suggesting is using the arrow menu down there. Takes exactly the same amount of clicks (Depending what you are doing- an extra click in XP) as in XP.
 
I find none of the solutions to be what I want, I prefer if when I clicked the button I get a menu to restart, shutdown, log off. That would be so awesome.
 
zacdl said:
Vista actually makes it EASIER to shut your PC down (as well as logoff or anything else) with the little arrow button right there as well- sticking all your choices right there.
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I mentioned that earlier, but my post was deleted because it seems ol' gatty is allowed to freely troll.
 
Not true. One of my posts was deleted too. If you are implying that I am treated with favoritism then you are sadly wrong.

I still don't think you guys know what I am talking about exactly so I am going to go to Vista now and tinker a bit.
 
As I Lay Dying said:
I find none of the solutions to be what I want, I prefer if when I clicked the button I get a menu to restart, shutdown, log off. That would be so awesome.
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Ah, finally someone knows what I am talking about. In Classic mode you do get that menu and it is this menu I am referring to. On Vista it always says sleep no matter what your last selection was but you can change it to the other options, on XP it always chose what you last had selected it to be. I want it to behave as in XP and not the way it is in Vista. Why would I click shutdown button and want my PC to go to sleep? I don't. But somone is saying I can change that behavior, I will go to Vista now and see but I think they are wrong because they think I am talking about the sleep button and not the shutdown button.
 
zacdl said:
The button is NOT designed for shutdown. It is not a shutdown. Wasn't designed to be.
To put it shortly: It doesn't shut the system down because it isn't a shutdown.
Makes sense to me...
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Zac, old boy. You don't have a clue what I am even talking about. I'll post pics for you, ok?
 
I just got used to clicking on the arrow beside the lock icon. Then again, I'm very comfortable with and can easily adapt to change.
 
If you do that then everything will stagnate and never change for the better.

Here's pics for those that are having a hard time understanding what I am saying.

See the shutdown button? Yes, it is a shutdown button and not a sleep button. This is the Classic UI.

desktop1zo3.jpg


Notice it how it says sleep? It always says sleep and not the last selection like in XP. I never want to to choose sleep so have to select what I want. That is the annoyance I speak of.

desktop2dx9.jpg


And one last one so you can see under the Calssic UI there is still a selection menu. I hope this little pictorial lesson has finally put an end to this little circus show.

desktop3ta5.jpg
 
Gatticus said:
On Vista it always says sleep no matter what your last selection was but you can change it to the other options, on XP it always chose what you last had selected it to be.
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Heaven forbid you have to change that. This oversight completely renders the system unusable, and totally warrents a forum post to raise awareness to Microsoft's stupidity!

Good job! The world thanks you for your service.
 
"Classic shutdown dialog
If you miss the classic Windows shutdown dialog, fear not, as there's a way to display it in Vista too. A number of readers wrote in to tell me that you can make this dialog pop-up by clicking an empty area of the desktop and then tapping ALT+F4. From this classic dialog, you can choose between various options, depending on your system type, including Switch User, Log off, Restart, Sleep, Hibernate, and Shut Down.

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http://www.winsupersite.com/showcase/winvista_tips5.asp
 
zacdl said:
Heaven forbid you have to change that. This oversight completely renders the system unusable, and totally warrents a forum post to raise awareness to Microsoft's stupidity!

Good job! The world thanks you for your service.
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I called it an annoyance and not a catastrophe for a reason. Think I'll register it to a website that actually gives a shit about these kinds of issues so that Windows can be improved instead of wasting my time with people like you.


http://www.annoyances.org/
 
nessus said:
"Classic shutdown dialog
If you miss the classic Windows shutdown dialog, fear not, as there's a way to display it in Vista too. A number of readers wrote in to tell me that you can make this dialog pop-up by clicking an empty area of the desktop and then tapping ALT+F4. From this classic dialog, you can choose between various options, depending on your system type, including Switch User, Log off, Restart, Sleep, Hibernate, and Shut Down.

"

http://www.winsupersite.com/showcase/winvista_tips5.asp
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That is not the annoyance. The annoyance is that it is always selected to SLEEP instead of your last selection like in XP. This costs me at least 5 seconds everytime I want to restart my PC. :) That is an annoyance and should be changed back to the way it is in XP. Once agian Microsoft is deciding what they think is best for us when it was fine the way it was before. Just like they went and changed add/remove programs in control panel to some stupid thing that made no sense at all. Change for the sake of change and no good reason is not good, it's just annoying.
 
Gatticus said:
That is not the annoyance. The annoyance is that it is always selected to SLEEP instead of your last selection like in XP. This costs me at least 5 seconds everytime I want to restart my PC. :) That is an annoyance and should be changed back to the way it is in XP. Once agian Microsoft is deciding what they think is best for us when it was fine the way it was before. Just like they went and changed add/remove programs in control panel to some stupid thing that made no sense at all. Change for the sake of change and no good reason is not good, it's just annoying.
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You can always create shortcuts for restart and shutdown and pin them to the taskpad.

Shutdown - %SystemRoot%\System32\shutdown.exe /s /t 0
Restart - %SystemRoot%\System32\shutdown.exe /r /t 0

No slowdown then even when switching, just go straight to the one you want.

I hated XP making choose which one I wanted. I wanted them immediately available. MS fanboy that I am, they thoughtfully provided a way to do it. :)
 
Ah, good man, that's just the info I was looking for. Microsoft may have thoughtfully provided it but they forgot to send me the memo. :)
 
Gatticus said:
Ah, good man, that's just the info I was looking for. Microsoft may have thoughtfully provided it but they forgot to send me the memo. :)
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ell-oh-loud-ell! Why you been babbling about wanting to change what the button does then? :p


You don't need to type out that 'systemroot' nonsense either, by the way. You only need use the command name and the command extensions. Windows is smart enough to know where to look for system commands. And by the way, that command can be used to create a 'Log off' shortcut too. I wrote about the options here, ages ago, in a guide which involves less typing than the one above. ;)


Fair dinkum it makes me laugh when people are so hell-bent on criticising Vista that they fail to look for solutions to their problems. In most cases these tweaks work exactly the same way as they did in XP. If you can't find a tweak which has "Vista" written in the guide, try the ones with "XP" written there. 99 times out of a hundred they work in Vista too. Thing is, when you carry on like an utter dickhead people with the knowledge to help are more often than not put off helping. Who wants to help somebody who's prone to ranting like a lunatic, hurling abuse and flamebait comments, and accusing others of getting his threads locked? Grow up, FFS, and stop disparaging the good people who put their time in here in an effort to assist others!


I actually posted the answer to your original question earlier in the thread, and then on reflection removed the answer and post-reported the trollage and its responses instead. If you've actually read this far here's the answer to what you originally wanted to do:

Advanced Power Options, in Control Panel, has the facility to make the 'Sleep' button default to 'Shut Down' instead. You need to expand the entry for "Power buttons and lid" and then alter the setting for 'Start Menu Power Button'. Alter the value of that to "Shut Down" and your machine will work the way you want it to.

There's a good "Idiot's guide to.." to be found here.
 
Gatticus said:
That is not the annoyance. The annoyance is that it is always selected to SLEEP instead of your last selection like in XP. This costs me at least 5 seconds everytime I want to restart my PC. :) That is an annoyance and should be changed back to the way it is in XP. Once agian Microsoft is deciding what they think is best for us when it was fine the way it was before. Just like they went and changed add/remove programs in control panel to some stupid thing that made no sense at all. Change for the sake of change and no good reason is not good, it's just annoying.
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How on earth does it cost you five seconds? Do you drop your mouse?
And why do you even need to restart your PC? Most driver installations will present you with that choice, even if it's not necessary.
Edit: I'm also curious as to why you dislike standby.
 
Catweazle, if some of you were not such rabid Microsoft fanboys maybe I wouldn't be able to wind you up so easily. I quite often defend Vista on other forums but some of you here just deserve what you get. I posted the question here because I figured it would save me hours of my time searching for the answers I needed. Isn't that the purpose of this forum? To help each other out and discuss OS annoyances and/or benefits? You don't like my style? TFB. :)
 
theriverlethe said:
How on earth does it cost you five seconds? Do you drop your mouse?
And why do you even need to restart your PC? Most driver installations will present you with that choice, even if it's not necessary.
Edit: I'm also curious as to why you dislike standby.
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I didn't say standby, I said hibernate. There is a big difference between the two. I need to reboot because I have a dual boot setup. How I run my PC is not up for discussion nor is it relevant to the original question. I've got the answers I need now so thanks to those who provided them, even if it was not done in a pleasant manner.
 
Gatticus said:
Catweazle, if some of you were not such rabid Microsoft fanboys maybe I wouldn't be able to wind you up so easily. I quite often defend Vista on other forums but some of you here just deserve what you get. I posted the question here because I figured it would save me hours of my time searching for the answers I needed. Isn't that the purpose of this forum? To help each other out and discuss OS annoyances and/or benefits? You don't like my style? TFB. :)
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Sharing annoyances is one thing, your presentation of them is quite another. There's no reason to act as though the incompetence of Microsoft is completely incarnated in their choice to add a sleep button to the start menu. Yes, it's different, and it takes getting used to, and saying that is fine. But just because you dislike its placement there doesn't mean Microsoft developers were using drugs when they made the new start menu, especially when they provide you with a way to change the function of that button.

It's not what you're saying, it's how you say it. In my opinion, your blatant use of hyperbole is nothing more than an attempt to annoy those you consider Microsoft fanboys. If you said "Gee, that's annoying that the start menu power button defaults to sleep, is there a way to change it?" you'd have five of them lining up to help you. But the constant stream of "ZOMG Vista sux 'cause I found this minute feature that I dislike, how dare it be different than XP!" threads is really getting annoying.
 
Gatticus said:
Ah, finally someone knows what I am talking about. In Classic mode you do get that menu and it is this menu I am referring to. On Vista it always says sleep no matter what your last selection was but you can change it to the other options, on XP it always chose what you last had selected it to be. I want it to behave as in XP and not the way it is in Vista. Why would I click shutdown button and want my PC to go to sleep? I don't. But somone is saying I can change that behavior, I will go to Vista now and see but I think they are wrong because they think I am talking about the sleep button and not the shutdown button.
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seriously I feel your pain, xp, xfce, gnome all do this, and its exactly what I want, I cant remember how many times I have clicked the sleep button, now shutdown for me, expecting that damn menu.... :\
 
I don't say it like that so cut the BS exaggeration. If you don't like how I do present things then just move along and ignore me completely. No sweat off my back, bucko.

Maybe I'll pay for a premium HardOCP account then I can make my statements and lock them immediately.
 
Oh, so that's how you do that?

In any event, it's not a matter of what I like or dislike, it's a matter of respecting this community. When you make comments on how easy it is to "get Vista fanboys going," it wouldn't be a huge leap to make to think you were doing it on purpose.
 
Gatticus said:
Maybe I'll pay for a premium HardOCP account then I can make my statements and lock them immediately.
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So by saying that you admit what you are saying is questionable, and also by saying that you prove that you intentionally [not only that- you SEEK to do so] post this crap...
What does someone have to do to get banned around here? Post horse porn?
 
Maybe I don't get banned because it is you guys who are the problem and not me. Ever think about that? Look at my posting history and you will clearly see that it is only in this OS forum where my posts are continually attacked. I have every right to post about Vista annoyances. I own and use the OS so I can post what the fark I like about it. If I get banned from here I will just go join another hardware forum and post the same stuff. If I was banned from all of them then I would just go directly to the Microsoft usenent groups, as I already do, and post them there where nancy-boys like yourself have no say in any shape or form as to what I do post. What I post here is tame compared to what I sometimes post to usenet. On usenet there is no moderation, one can say anything they want and not have to be concerned with losers like you trying to get me banned. You are like little school kids picking on someone who dares to be different to the general populace. I don't toe the company line so screw off asshole.
 
There's trying to be different, and then there's trying to pick fights with anyone and everyone. If you really, truly think everyone else is the problem, you should be banned, simply to give you the time to seek the help that you need.

Honestly, I'm not saying this just to sound like an ass. You have to realize by now, if you have any shred of logic and rational thinking, that people get tired of the games. You have a need to start an argument, and if nothing is going on in other threads, you'll pull something out of your ass with the SOLE purpose of starting a flame war. You can't possibly be too dense to see that by now.

I'm not psychologist, so I don't have the names, but there truly is a mental disorder that leads as person to constantly seek tension and battles. You definitely suffer from that. You've proven time and time again to be unable to hold a normal debate. And I'll be the first to admit, no one would give you the benefit of the doubt at this point, based on past actions, so you might not even be able to do so.
 
Give me a break. You are no psychologist and should give up the idea of being one right now.
I simply asked a question about a Vista annoyance, if you have a problem with that then go cry a river to someone that actually gives a shit. From where I sit it is you who needs a good talk with the Doc because it is you who is getting all bent out of shape over a few web forum posts. I wind you up just because I can and not because I am looking for attention. It's cheap entertainment is all and has no deep psychological meaning. The fact you think that way shows just how much of a loser you really are. Don't you think if I was looking for attention I would make numerous posts each and every day? I don't, so that shoots your stupid theory down in flames. Moron.
 
Gatticus said:
I didn't say standby, I said hibernate. There is a big difference between the two. I need to reboot because I have a dual boot setup. How I run my PC is not up for discussion nor is it relevant to the original question. I've got the answers I need now so thanks to those who provided them, even if it was not done in a pleasant manner.
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Your original post said, "When I click the shutdown button the last thing I want to do is send my PC into sleep mode. It's either shutdown or restart." Sleep = standby.
How your run your PC is relevant because you expect Microsoft to cater to your unusual usage, rather than present the most reasonable options for the vast majority of the population. In fact, you said, "Whoever came up with that brain dead idea smoked too much crack that day." You then accuse anyone who disagrees of "toe-ing the party line." How can you expect a pleasant response?
 
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